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muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 11:43 AM Oct 2013

(London) LSE censors atheist cartoon T shirts because of anonymous claims of 'offence'

Last edited Sat Oct 5, 2013, 01:17 PM - Edit history (1)

Representatives of LSESU Atheist, Secularist and Humanist Society have been threatened with removal from their University’s freshers’ fair by their Students’ Union after refusing to remove t-shirts depicting the online comic ‘Jesus and Mo’. The society’s members were threatened on the basis that the t-shirts were could be considered ‘harassment’, as they could ‘offend others’ by creating an ‘offensive environment’.

On Thursday 3rd of October, we (Abishek Phadnis and Chris Moos) were at the LSESU Freshers’ Fair, manning the stall of the LSESU Atheist, Secularist and Humanist Society to meet other non-believing students. At around noon, we were approached by LSESU Community and Welfare Officer Anneessa Mahmood, Anti-Racism Officer Rayhan Uddin, and Deputy Chief Executive Jarlath O'Hara and several others who identified as LSESU staff.

Without explanation, Anneessa Mahmood started removing material from the stall. When challenged, she claimed that it was "offensive". In addition, the LSESU staff members demanded that we remove our t-shirts. We were told that should we not comply we would be physically removed from the premises. When we asked for the reason for this request, the LSESU officers stated that several students had complained about our t-shirts. When we asked what rules or regulations we were in breach of, they told us that they did not need to give reasons for removing students, and we would be informed at a later point in time. As we refused to take off our t-shirts or leave without appropriate explanation, we were told that LSE security would be called to physically remove us from the building. We came to the Freshers’ Fair to promote our society to new students. Our ability to do that was heavily curtailed by the actions of the LSESU staff. We especially felt that the abrasive behaviour of the LSESU staff was not aimed at protecting other students from harm, but rather an attempt humiliate us in front of dozens of students.

When the LSE security arrived, we were asked to cover our t-shirts or leave LSE premises. When we asked for the rules and regulations we were in breach of, we were told that the LSE was being consulted about how to proceed. After a period of consultation, Kevin Haynes (LSE Legal and Compliance Team) and Paul Thornbury (LSE Head of Security) explained to us that we were not behaving in an “orderly and responsible manner”, and that the wearing of the t-shirt could be considered “harassment”, as it could “offend others” by creating an “offensive environment”. We asked what exactly was “offensive” about the t-shirts, and how the display of a non-violent and non-racist comic strip could be considered “harassment” of other students. Paul Thornbury told us that it was “clearly deceitful” of us to say that we had not intended to cause offence and that we did not feel that we had behaved inappropriately or harassed other students. This unreasonable behaviour of the LSE and LSESU staff caused us serious distress, particularly the allegations that our motives were to “offend” others.

At the end of this conversation, five security guards started to position themselves around our stall. We felt this was a tactic to intimidate us. We were giving an ultimatum that should we not comply immediately, we would be physically removed from LSE property. We made it clear that we disagreed strongly with this interpretation of the rules, but that we would comply by covering the t-shirts. When we covered our t-shirts with jackets, the head of LSE security told us that “this was not enough”, and that we had to zip up the jackets. When we zipped up the jackets, we were told that this was still not enough, as the word “prophet” was still visible at the top. After that, the head of LSE security told us that as he believed that we might open the jackets again when was going to leave, two security guards were going to stay in the room to monitor our behaviour. These two security guards were following us closely when we went in and out of the room. We felt that this highly unnecessary and geared at intimidating and humiliating us in front of others.


https://humanism.org.uk/2013/10/04/lsesu-atheist-secularist-humanist-society-incident-freshers-fair/

The 'offending' T shirts:



The next day:

We (Abhishek Phadnis and Chris Moos) arrived at the Fair at 10 am. In silent protest at our treatment the day before (see account of events of October 3rd), and still unsure as to what parts of the t-shirts had allegedly caused “offence”, we put tape (with the words “Censored”, "This has been censored" and "Nothing to see here&quot over the faces of the “Jesus and Mo” figures on the t-shirts.

Shortly after midday, the LSESU Deputy Chief Executive Jarlath O'Hara approached us, demanding we take the t-shirts off as per his instructions of the previous day. We explained to him that we had covered the "offensive" parts this time, and offered to use our tape to cover any other areas deemed "offensive". He refused to hear us out, insisting that if we did not take off the whole t-shirt, LSE Security would be called to bodily remove us from the premises. He left, warning us that he was summoning LSE Security to eject us.

At about 2:30pm, Paul Thornbury, Head of LSE Security, delivered a letter from the School Secretary Susan Scholefield. The letter claimed that some students found our t-shirts “offensive”, even though we had covered up the “offensive” parts of the t-shirts. It claimed we were in possible breach of the LSE Harassment Policy and Disciplinary Procedure, and that our actions were “damaging the School’s reputation”, and “undermining the spirit of the LSESU Freshers’ Fair and good campus relations at LSE”. It concluded by asking us to “refrain from wearing the t-shirts in question and cover any other potentially offensive imagery”, and warning us that the School “reserves the right to consider taking further action if warranted”.
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We can confirm that the aforementioned Students Union and LSE Security staff were the only visitors to our stall who expressed offence at our clothing. We had students from all kind of backgrounds come to us to express their support and astonishment about the heavy-handed actions of the LSE and LSESU, including several students who self-identified as Muslims.

https://humanism.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/updated-account-of-events-at-lse-freshers-fair-day-2.pdf

The Jesus & Mo cartoonist's reply:



And these days, those students pay £9000 a year to attend the LSE, while the censors get paid for their work.
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(London) LSE censors atheist cartoon T shirts because of anonymous claims of 'offence' (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 OP
Dawkins tweet on this (and I agree with him) cbayer Oct 2013 #1
If it was just "Jesus" and the complaints came in, Igel Oct 2013 #2
And your evidence for this is? Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #4
Er, this happened in the UK. Maybe you win the thread. cbayer Oct 2013 #5
The event was in London muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #6
Do you find these comics Islamophobic? cbayer Oct 2013 #7
Yeah, they go for Christianity just as much as Islam muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #9
I'm reminded of Stephen Fry's quote dipsydoodle Oct 2013 #3
Exactly...the "right" not to be offended by anything skepticscott Oct 2013 #10
"Christian Persecution and Victimization Movement"? rug Oct 2013 #11
It's been a slow week for persecution. rug Oct 2013 #8

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
1. Dawkins tweet on this (and I agree with him)
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 12:00 PM
Oct 2013

I'm "offended" by backwards baseball caps, chewing gum, niqabs, "basically" and "awesome". Quick, LSE Student Union, ban them all.
4:52 PM - 4 Oct 2013

Igel

(35,356 posts)
2. If it was just "Jesus" and the complaints came in,
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 12:06 PM
Oct 2013

there'd be more comments. Few defend such exposed feelings and chilling of free speech.

The problem is, there's a very good chance that some ever-delicate Muslim sensitivities have been violated, abused, battered by the simple depiction of "Mo".

We've already seen lots of defense of chilling free speech in the defense of protecting certain hot-house sensitivities.

Even in the '90s I saw calls for anti-"hate speech" regulations on campus, but they weren't even-handed. Say what you want about Catholics, Baptists, etc., about select other groups, but even a hint of dislike against many other groups--ethnic or religious or gender--and you should be shut down.


Personally, I didn't find the drawings humorous. Nor did I find them particularly offensive. Then again, I'm inured to a lot of anti-Xian rhetoric and indifferent to most anti-religious rhetoric.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
4. And your evidence for this is?
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 12:45 PM
Oct 2013

Oh right, you have no evidence at all, in fact the OP includes evidence that just the opposite was occurring among the islamic attendees, and the whole event was occurring in christian god-smacked LA, but never mind that, it had to be those damned mooslims. Plus the poor christians are just so very persecuted.

Wow. You win the thread.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
6. The event was in London
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 01:16 PM
Oct 2013

Sorry, I forgot that 'LSE' for London School of Economics isn't well known in the US, and the article (on a British website) assumes its readers know it.

It almost certainly is about Islam - last year this happened:

In 2012 the LSE Students' Union effectively made blasphemy an offence following protests from Muslim students about a Jesus and Mo cartoon posted on the LSE Atheist, Secularist and Humanist student group's Facebook page.

The LSESU passed a motion proposing that 'Islamophobia is a form of anti-Islamic racism'. The Union resolved "To define Islamophobia as "a form of racism expressed through the hatred or fear of Islam, Muslims, or Islamic culture, and the stereotyping, demonisation or harassment of Muslims, including but not limited to portraying Muslims as barbarians or terrorists, or attacking the Qur'an as a manual of hatred".

It said it would take a firm stance against all Islamophobic incidents at LSE and conduct internal investigations if and when they occur.

http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2013/10/lse-student-society-intimidated-at-freshers-fair-over-offensive-t-shirts

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
7. Do you find these comics Islamophobic?
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 01:21 PM
Oct 2013

They are occasionally amusing, but not terribly so. But they seem to focus on mocking theism and don't seem particularly bigoted to me.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
9. Yeah, they go for Christianity just as much as Islam
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 02:13 PM
Oct 2013

It often depends what's been in the news. Occasionally there's something about Judaism ('guest appearance by Moses'), and it's often about an attitude of religion, or theological arguments, that applies to both, or many. No, I don't think they're bigoted at all.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
10. Exactly...the "right" not to be offended by anything
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 07:19 PM
Oct 2013

is entirely invented, as is the obligation of everyone never to do any say anything that might offend the most sensitive and unreasonable member of any protected group.

Sadly, the attempts by the Christian Persecution and Victimization Movement to foster that meme are supported and abetted by many posters here.

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