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47of74

(18,470 posts)
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 06:14 PM Sep 2012

Right wing pastors intend to break IRS regs

Yep, right wing pastors are planning on doubling down;

The annual event, dubbed “Pulpit Freedom Sunday,” has been organized by the conservative Christian group Alliance Defending Freedom. The pastors participating in the event plan to preach about the election, endorse a candidate, and send video of their sermon to the IRS.

“The purpose is to make sure that the pastor — and not the IRS — decides what is said from the pulpit,” Erik Stanley, senior legal counsel for the group, told FoxNews.com. “It is a head-on constitutional challenge.”

The Johnson amendment in Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code prohibits tax-exempt charities and churches from intervening in political campaigns on behalf of or in opposition to any candidate. The IRS has been reluctant to revoke churches’ tax-exempt status for violating the more than 50-year-old IRS rule, but the agency has issued written warnings to dozens of churches.

“The IRS will send out notices from time to time and say you crossed the line,” Jim Garlow, a senior pastor of Skyline Wesleyan Church in San Diego, told FoxNews.com. “But when it’s time to go to court, they close the case.”


I hope the IRS goes after every one of these clowns.
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Right wing pastors intend to break IRS regs (Original Post) 47of74 Sep 2012 OP
Which Sunday is this? Downwinder Sep 2012 #1
October 7 47of74 Sep 2012 #2
My church won't be part of this xmas74 Sep 2012 #3
Why don't they just save everyone time and renounce their tax-exempt status? Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2012 #4
Why is it that most groups with the words "freedom" and "family" Oregonian Sep 2012 #5
Just to let you know, this is a protected group. cbayer Sep 2012 #6
Did you have a point? Oregonian Sep 2012 #7
I have seen your other posts. cbayer Sep 2012 #8
Ah, so posting history bars you from certain groups? Oregonian Sep 2012 #9
Not quite sure about being your pal yet, lol. cbayer Sep 2012 #10
Are you the board lifeguard? Oregonian Sep 2012 #11
Why don't you start by asking the folks okasha Oct 2012 #13
Touche Oregonian Oct 2012 #14
You think wrong. okasha Oct 2012 #15
Well just remember to make the check out to the IRS. n/t hrmjustin Sep 2012 #12

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
1. Which Sunday is this?
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 06:33 PM
Sep 2012

I might go to church with my cell phone and gather evidence for the IRS. Do they still pay a bounty?

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
4. Why don't they just save everyone time and renounce their tax-exempt status?
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 10:59 AM
Sep 2012

Or are they not willing to do so? I can understand their wanting to have it both ways, but that's a bit hypocritical, n'est–ce pas?

 

Oregonian

(209 posts)
5. Why is it that most groups with the words "freedom" and "family"
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 02:21 PM
Sep 2012

in their name are essentially hate groups?

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
6. Just to let you know, this is a protected group.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 02:32 PM
Sep 2012

"A group for Christians and Christian-friendly persons who would like to have an open discussion about our faith and its role in the world around us. Our group will provide a safe haven for discussion and support, and find ways to express our beliefs in positive, non-threatening ways."

 

Oregonian

(209 posts)
7. Did you have a point?
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 04:17 PM
Sep 2012

Or did you just want to take offense before bothering to respond?

Let me ask you this: If there was not picture of a Darwin fish in my avatar, would you have bristled in the same way? For the record, I am a devout believer in freedom, and I am a family man, married with 2 young boys. I've noticed a trend where religious groups with the words "family" and "freedom" (American Family Association, Focus on the Family) have an established record of hatred toward homosexuals and other groups they deem "subversive".

If I do not mention it here, where CAN I mention it?

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
8. I have seen your other posts.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 05:06 PM
Sep 2012

This groups statement of purpose clearly outlines who is welcome here. It's a protected space. Your first amendment rights do not apply.

It has nothing to do with your avatar. I am a big fan of Darwin.

If you wish to comment on this, you can cross post it in religion or the atheist group.

 

Oregonian

(209 posts)
9. Ah, so posting history bars you from certain groups?
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 05:17 PM
Sep 2012

Interesting. I must've missed that in the terms of service. Feel free to send my post to a jury, pal.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
10. Not quite sure about being your pal yet, lol.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 05:22 PM
Sep 2012

It's not a tos violation, but you can be blocked from safe haven groups is you violate their sop.

Just trying to give you a heads up. Nothing to alert on here.

 

Oregonian

(209 posts)
11. Are you the board lifeguard?
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 05:24 PM
Sep 2012

Thanks, I think.

So, back to my question: Why are so many religious groups with the words "freedom" and "family" in them based on hate?

 

Oregonian

(209 posts)
14. Touche
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 12:37 PM
Oct 2012

Though I did say "most", not all. I think you'll agree that the American Family Association, Focus on the Family, Family Research Council, Family Research Institute, Illinois Family Institute, Liberty University, Liberty Council, etc., represent the plurality of the money & influence among the "family, freedom, liberty" groups.

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