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Fri Jan 4, 2019, 01:42 AM

Now they call us 'White Jews': A new American antisemitism

Now they call us ‘White Jews’: A new American antisemitism
If you remain silent when you hear the term “white Jews,” you are not doing your part to stop this creeping hatred.
By Seth J. Frantzman
December 26, 2018 22:03


A recent controversy about anti-Jewish views in the Women’s March has lifted the curtain on a new antisemitism that is percolating in American circles.

“Now Women’s March activists are grappling with how they treat Jews, and whether they should be counted as privileged white Americans or ‘marginalized’ minorities,” The New York Times noted in a recent piece. The labeling of Jews as “white” and debates on how to “treat Jews,” as if Jews are packages in a supermarket is a form of dehumanizing rhetoric designed to force Jewish people into a binary of “white/non-white” that is currently trendy in US discussions.

The new toxic discussion taking place primarily in the United States is designed to label Jews as “white supremacists.” For instance, Tamika Mallory, the Women’s March leader, told the Times that this issue was raised at an early meeting of the marchers.

“Since that conversation, we’ve all learned a lot about how while white Jews, as white people, uphold white supremacy, ALL Jews are targeted by it,” she said. Some groups on the far Left have even embraced this concept. Rebecca Vilkomerson tweeted about it on December 24.

“We white Jews especially need to recognize that centering out own status as victims here is a power move, as well as a way to avoid self-reflection on our relative status in a white supremacist world,” Vilkomerson tweeted.

It is particularly interesting, given the history of antisemitism, how Jews are now considered not only recipients of white privilege, due to their often passing as white, but are seen as emblematic of whiteness and a part of white supremacy. The concept of antisemitism was coined by anti-Jewish activist Wilhelm Marr, who objected to the idea that Jews would assimilate into Germany. Antisemitism became entwined with the idea that Jews were a separate “race” from white Europeans, particularly Germans and northern Europeans. Today that has come full circle and Jews are portrayed as not just passing as white, but of being an example of white supremacy.

Link: https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Now-they-call-us-White-Jews-A-new-American-antisemitism-575524?fbclid=IwAR1P7eKOSD6TuZjDFcW_p7iZCHWw8-PxkURBu-RgKx5SDl9A4oHXqVJPo_w

Joke is on them. We are pretty good at coming together when attacked. So trying to divide the Jewish community will not work.

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Response to EllieBC (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 02:19 AM

1. No offense, but reading that seriously makes my head hurt ... the pretzel logic ...

Who is 'joke on' here, exactly? Who is theoretically 'doing the dividing'?

Is it The Women's March? Or is it the NYT? Or is it this Vilkomerson person? Or is it Frantzman?

The 'NYT percolating' notwithstanding, I find it a little hard to believe that any significant number of organizers or prominent people in the Women's March hierarchy ... are ACTUALLY GRAPPLING ... with this supposed 'issue' of 'should we be cool to Jewish People'?

I'm sorry ... I'm just not really 'buying it'.

Sounds like divisive media noise to me, based on extremely thin evidence, on Frantzman's part.

Just MHO.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 01:18 PM

7. Divisive noise to point out

that Jews are never welcome in the big tent? We are so "white adjacent" so antisemitism is explained away or usually ran over with whataboutism?

Them are those that wish to tell Jews they can be divided against each other or that our concerns do not matter. Some of us have had enough of being expected to show up to every cause but then have antisemitism ignored.

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Response to EllieBC (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 02:36 AM

2. This sounds like something crafted by the alt-right and sold as something from the left...

to divide Dems/progressives.

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Response to brush (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 02:50 AM

3. Thank you, glad I'm not crazy ... that's exactly how I perceived it ...

I don't readily buy into the idea the Women's March ... is somehow agonizing over 'being nice to Jewish People', which this article seems to be suggesting.

And driving a wedge between American Jews and 'The Left' ... is an obvious 'angle' to be worked by Right.

Because, yeah, a lot of folks on the Left (mostly the non-Jewish portion, but not entirely) have heartfelt disagreements with how the Government of Israel has dealt with Palestinians over the years (And I'm not speaking here in ANY WAY about my own personal opinion, to be clear, just admitting to a reality) ... so it's a ripe opportunity for the Right, and we KNOW they'll stop at nothing.

This article reads to me like one of those times ... where they're trying to divide us. I don't know who Frantzman is, but if by some odd chance he has serious Liberal bona-fides, then I'm prepared to reconsider ...

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 01:22 PM

8. Ok what is it about some people conflating Israel and Jews?

Is it really that hard to understand that college students at UCLA have nothing to do with the government of Israel?

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Response to EllieBC (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 01:37 PM

10. I'm just saying to the extent that I've seen anything LIKE 'Anti-Semitism' on the Left

It's come in the form of people on the Left criticizing the government of Israel. I've literally never heard, seen, or known of ... a legitimate Lefty ... disparaging individuals BECAUSE they're Jewish.

Yet it seems many people conflate 'criticizing Israel's government' with 'being Anti-Semitic'.

That's their right, but personally, I reject that notion.

I criticize my government all the time, doesn't make me Anti-ANY (race, religion, creed, etc) ... it makes me anti-the particular thing I'm disagreeing with ... that my Government is doing in my name.

I'd also point out that you'll generally see more on the American Left disapproving of what Israel is doing ... when a Rightie like Bibi is in power, as opposed to decent man like Begin.

Let me also point out that if Womens March founders/organizers are indeed actually rejecting Jews ... then that's F***** UP, and I entirely disapprove. To be clear.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 03:03 PM

13. Again, why do BDS supporters on college campuses

harass Jewish students? If a Jew in the United States is responsible for the decisions of the Israeli government then we can apply that to every group.

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Response to brush (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 01:16 PM

6. Havre you not been following the whole kerfuffle about the Women's March founders

and their deep antisemitism?

I know I know. Antisemitism only exists on the right.

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Response to EllieBC (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 01:27 PM

9. I know about that, but I find it hard to believe that there are many...

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people who actually think white supremacy is emanating from the Jewish community.

That's nuts, which is why I suggested it may be coming from the alt-right, maybe with help from social media bots as was done in the 2016 election. Evidence has come out that the AA community was specifically targeted to divide us then and I wouldn't rule it out now.

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Response to brush (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 01:43 PM

11. Well, it kinda IS emanating from Stephen Miller ... but he's a complete freak

And representative of precisely ZER0 actual sentient, properly-functioning human beings, so ...

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 02:09 PM

12. Zero is right. His own relatives disowned him publicly.

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Response to EllieBC (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 03:48 AM

4. Good for calling them out on their bigotry.

The concept that "intersectionality" is only for some is bullshit. When it comes to Jews, there is never a fucking shortage of non-Jews who just "don't get it" or try to tell us what is and isn't anti-Semitism. It is quite easy and understand able to accept that those of us who are white benefit from "white privilege", but it is just as easy to see that we, as Jews, are victims of bigotry because of who we are as a minority. What I am seeing from certain elements is the idea that diversity is to "exclusive", not "inclusive."

“We white Jews especially need to recognize that centering out own status as victims here is a power move, as well as a way to avoid self-reflection on our relative status in a white supremacist world,” Vilkomerson tweeted. tweeted.


That kind of bullshit is the hallmark of a self-loathing asshole who doesn't understand that victimization and creating victims aren't always exclusive. Is a white paraplegic person also a hallmark of "white supremacy" or can assholes like Vilkomerson and Mallory see that such an individual, while having white privilege, will also face many other forms of discrimination not at all related to his/her skin color?

What people seem to have a difficult time wrapping their simple little bigoted minds around is Jews ARE a minority. Yes, most are white, but that doesn't take away from minority status any more that an able-bodied, Christian, heterosexual man who is African-American is also a minority, despite his being part of the patriarchy, and having mobility, religious, and heterosexual privileges!

Being white or male are not the only privileges which plague our societies and other forms of bigotry and oppression are just as legitimate to discuss and fight!

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 03:05 PM

14. If you crawl deep into parts of Leftbook groups,

yes the white parapalegic is a hallmark of white supremacy. Which is messed up.

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Response to EllieBC (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 09:56 AM

5. I don't get it. I'm white and I'm Jewish. That's truly who I am. I'm proud to be Jewish but

not so proud to be white.

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