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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 05:07 PM Apr 2013

Physicist Proposes New Way To Think About Intelligence


By: Chris Gorski, ISNS
(ISNS) -- A single equation grounded in basic physics principles could describe intelligence and stimulate new insights in fields as diverse as finance and robotics, according to new research.

Alexander Wissner-Gross, a physicist at Harvard University and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and Cameron Freer, a mathematician at the University of Hawaii at Manoa, developed an equation that they say describes many intelligent or cognitive behaviors, such as upright walking and tool use.

The researchers suggest that intelligent behavior stems from the impulse to seize control of future events in the environment. This is the exact opposite of the classic science-fiction scenario in which computers or robots become intelligent, then set their sights on taking over the world.

The findings describe a mathematical relationship that can "spontaneously induce remarkably sophisticated behaviors associated with the human 'cognitive niche,' including tool use and social cooperation, in simple physical systems," the researchers wrote in a paper published today in the journal Physical Review Letters.

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Physicist Proposes New Way To Think About Intelligence (Original Post) n2doc Apr 2013 OP
Now THAT is worthy of a Nobel prize JimDandy Apr 2013 #1
K & R. n/t truedelphi Apr 2013 #2
"Thinking about intelligence" mindwalker_i Apr 2013 #3
heh, yes, I don't trust mathematicians/physicists who believe their fields cover all.... nt delrem Apr 2013 #7
The question which immediately spring to my mind is this.. Fumesucker Apr 2013 #4
Our computers have intelligence without self-awareness. DetlefK Apr 2013 #14
Re: vice versa IrishAyes Apr 2013 #18
#10 -- off to the greatest you go little thread with big thoughts. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2013 #5
hmmm. . . so what is wisdom within this paradigm? zazen Apr 2013 #6
In view of the events of the last eight days, Someone like Ghandi might truedelphi Apr 2013 #17
Love it. littlemissmartypants Apr 2013 #8
That's not intelligence - it's a control freak! bananas Apr 2013 #11
Thanks for that. Archaic Apr 2013 #9
The paper, and a scary video, are on his website. bananas Apr 2013 #10
Aye, that may be the big fish. napoleon_in_rags Apr 2013 #12
This reminds me a lot of this science fiction novel: hunter Apr 2013 #13
I read that one, quite good I thought Fumesucker Apr 2013 #16
They are describing functional consciousness. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #15

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
1. Now THAT is worthy of a Nobel prize
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 05:18 PM
Apr 2013

in my layman's opinion.

"The proposal requires that a system be able to process information and predict future histories very quickly in order for it to exhibit intelligent behavior. Wissner-Gross suggested that the new findings fit well within an argument linking the origin of intelligence to natural selection and Darwinian evolution -- that nothing besides the laws of nature are needed to explain intelligence."

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
3. "Thinking about intelligence"
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 05:38 PM
Apr 2013

Sounds like something that could rapidly become infinitely recursive, and probably should be avoided

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
4. The question which immediately spring to my mind is this..
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 05:56 PM
Apr 2013

Is self awareness necessary for intelligence?

Or vice versa for that matter.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
18. Re: vice versa
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 09:17 PM
Apr 2013

Too often not, from what I've seen. Rightwingers are extremely self aware. Exclusively. But intelligence? That defies belief.

zazen

(2,978 posts)
6. hmmm. . . so what is wisdom within this paradigm?
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 06:10 PM
Apr 2013

"The universe exists in the present state that it has right now. It can go off in lots of different directions. My proposal is that intelligence is a process that attempts to capture future histories," said Wissner-Gross.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
17. In view of the events of the last eight days, Someone like Ghandi might
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 03:18 PM
Apr 2013

Well suggest that scientists need to keep looking for intelligence and wisdom - it has to be somewhere out there.

it sure ain't on this planet!

littlemissmartypants

(22,656 posts)
8. Love it.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 07:28 PM
Apr 2013

"The researchers suggest that intelligent behavior stems from the impulse to seize control of future events in the environment."

bananas

(27,509 posts)
11. That's not intelligence - it's a control freak!
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 09:17 PM
Apr 2013

If they put this into smartphones, it'll be like living with your mother!
"Pick up your socks!"
"Don't drive so fast!"

Archaic

(273 posts)
9. Thanks for that.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 07:43 PM
Apr 2013

Very interesting. I have a buddy who is WAY into cognitive neuroscience, and he'll get a kick out of this.

napoleon_in_rags

(3,991 posts)
12. Aye, that may be the big fish.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:12 PM
Apr 2013

I was talking with another DUer... Was it gliderguider? But he was talking about a project to characterize and monitor consumption in terms of entropy. The conversation moved to information entropy, and how all the concepts of entropy are really connected and central to everything - and how in this concept may be the really big fish in the sea of scientific breakthroughs.

It has the ability to solve so many problems. Oddly, in many cases it requires a stream good, truly random numbers too. Entropy is a probabilistic entity. However due to Quantum Mechanics, we now know that at a fundamental level our universe may be a probabilistic entropy (God does play dice) too.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
16. I read that one, quite good I thought
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 09:21 AM
Apr 2013

But Peter Watts' Blindsight is even more focused on these sorts of questions.

Also Creative Commons free.. http://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
15. They are describing functional consciousness.
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 07:58 AM
Apr 2013

That still does not get at what it is to experience the color red. It may be that perceptual consciousness emerges from sufficiently complex functional consciousness, we just don't know.

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