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TexasTowelie

(112,093 posts)
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:57 PM Jul 2013

UT chemists turn seawater into fresh water with a battery

Chemists at The University of Texas at Austin and the University of Marburg in Germany are on the verge of a breakthrough in the worldwide quest for potable water.

The new method requires so little energy, in fact, that it can run on a store-bought battery.

By creating a small electrical field that removes salts from seawater, the chemists have found a new method for the desalination of seawater that consumes less energy and is dramatically simpler than conventional techniques, according to a press release from UT-Austin.

The process avoids the problems confronting current desalination methods by separating salt from water at a microscale.

More at http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/UT-chemists-turn-seawater-into-fresh-water-with-a-4679663.php?cmpid=hpts .

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UT chemists turn seawater into fresh water with a battery (Original Post) TexasTowelie Jul 2013 OP
Good Job and just in time. BlueToTheBone Jul 2013 #1
They should think of a way to remove radioactive waste while they are at it. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #2
Where do we put the salt? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #3
McDonalds quakerboy Jul 2013 #4
This is great news for dry Texas and other areas mc51tc Jul 2013 #5
Arrest those fuckers mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #6
DUzy... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #7
You won today's Internet. R0ckyRac00n Jul 2013 #11
Oh, nooooo! Good one! n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #13
Chemists Work to Desalt the Ocean for Drinking Water, One Nanoliter at a Time Lugal Zaggesi Jul 2013 #8
Scale up has been the bane of many a quest. JimDandy Jul 2013 #14
good job gristy Jul 2013 #16
So all those water rights certain super-rich individuals, investors and banks...... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #9
It's a bit early to write off the importance of underground aquifers Lugal Zaggesi Jul 2013 #10
I was referencing the purchasing of water rights...... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #12
I mentally will each new desalination effort to succeed, JimDandy Jul 2013 #15

BlueToTheBone

(3,747 posts)
1. Good Job and just in time.
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:09 PM
Jul 2013

We are on the verge of destroying our water supply here and have on other continents.

geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
2. They should think of a way to remove radioactive waste while they are at it.
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:23 PM
Jul 2013

But this is an excellent start.

mc51tc

(219 posts)
5. This is great news for dry Texas and other areas
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 11:31 PM
Jul 2013

UT research is some of the best. I hope this turns into something big for affordable desalination in the near future.

As Walter Cronkite said: "What starts at the University of Texas, changes the world" - very true if this research pans out for sure.

 

Lugal Zaggesi

(366 posts)
8. Chemists Work to Desalt the Ocean for Drinking Water, One Nanoliter at a Time
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 11:55 PM
Jul 2013

Here's a nicer writeup of this development in the University of Texas at Austin's own "Texas Science News":
http://web5.cns.utexas.edu/news/2013/06/desalting-the-ocean/
Thursday, June 27th, 2013

It's a nice start, but they have a few hurdles left:

Thus far Crooks and his colleagues have achieved 25 percent desalination. Although drinking water requires 99 percent desalination, they are confident that goal can be achieved.

OK, maybe they can put these chips in series, desalinate the desalinated water...

The other major challenge is to scale up the process. Right now the microchannels, about the size of a human hair, produce about 40 nanoliters of desalted water per minute. To make this technique practical for individual or communal use, a device would have to produce liters of water per day. The authors are confident that this can be achieved as well.

At least the authors are confident...
40 nanoliters of 25% desalinated water per minute.
Let's assume they get it working to 99% desalination. “This was a proof of principle,” said Knust. “We’ve made comparable performance improvements while developing other applications based on the formation of an ion depletion zone. That suggests that 99 percent desalination is not beyond our reach.” OK, let's say that's doable - and doesn't slow down the process too much.

Now, the speed - there are 1440 minutes per day.
"nanoliter" is 1 billionth of a liter.
A billion of these 'water chips' could do 40 liters per minute, or 57,600 liters per day.
Divide by 1000 - a million of these chips could give 57.6 liters per day.
Let's say 100,000 chips - that would give 5.76 liters/day. About 1.5 gallons of water.

That's still a lot of store-bought batteries.
If they could make each chip desalinate 99%, and 10 times faster, that's still 10,000 chips needed working 24 hours to produce 5.76 liters of potable water. How much power ? How long before the chips clog or degrade ? Did going from 25% to 99% desalination make the chips slower, not faster ? How reliable is the tubing taking seawater (already de-sedimented) into thousands of tiny human-hair-width microchannels ?

Most current methods for desalinating water rely on expensive and easily contaminated membranes. The membrane-free method we’ve developed still needs to be refined and scaled up, but if we can succeed at that, then one day it might be possible to provide fresh water on a massive scale using a simple, even portable, system.”
True - I like that the approach involves no vaporization/condensation or membranes.

still needs to be refined and scaled up - yes, and let's hope it is still affordable when it is.
Good luck.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
14. Scale up has been the bane of many a quest.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 05:15 AM
Jul 2013

That and the prohibitive cost of scaling up have especially plagued every desalination effort I've heard of.

And while I will continue to hope for success with each new method discovered, I recall previous efforts that withered into obscurity, some never to be heard of again.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
9. So all those water rights certain super-rich individuals, investors and banks......
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:00 AM
Jul 2013

...have been buying up and hoarding are worthless!

HA!

- On the other hand, they'll probably be coming to the feds later for a bailout.

K&R

 

Lugal Zaggesi

(366 posts)
10. It's a bit early to write off the importance of underground aquifers
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:44 AM
Jul 2013

like the Ogallala Aquifer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogallala_Aquifer

According to a 2013 report by research hydrologist, Leonard F. Konikow, at the United States Geological Survey (USGC), the depletion between 2001–2008, inclusive, is about 32 percent of the cumulative depletion during the entire 20th century.

In the United States, the biggest users of water from aquifers include agricultural irrigation and oil and coal extraction.
 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
12. I was referencing the purchasing of water rights......
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:46 AM
Jul 2013

...as an investment by unscrupulous snakes in the commodity exchanges who are betting on future shortages of fresh water in lakes, rivers and aquifers. This is being done internationally where conceivably the people would lose the right of ownership and use of resources in their own countries, without the permission of the likes of T. Boone Pickens say, or even worse Citibank.

In any event, technology will always trump in the demand/supply scarcity game that is played. Which is why the monopolies want to control and own new technology to protect their positions in the old one. Like the oil companies.



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JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
15. I mentally will each new desalination effort to succeed,
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 05:20 AM
Jul 2013

if only to bring ruin on those who have sought power and control through the purchasing of water rights.

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