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Tue Apr 15, 2014, 03:55 AM

Does fetal tissue in vaccines cause autism?

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Or is it in some way a partial answer and partial mechanism for why there is so much autism in America's children?

Full article is at:

http://metabolichealing.com/is-aborted-human-fetal-dna-the-cause-of-autism-pharma-whistleblower-reveals/


Is Aborted Human Fetal DNA the Cause of Autism?


Pharma Whistleblower reveals 23 vaccines contain human DNA, including the MMR vaccine and the Chickenpox vaccine. Both of these vaccines are suspected to induce autism
by Michael McEvoy


Helen Ratajczak is a former senior scientist at a pharmaceutical firm. In her previous position she was restricted from writing and publishing studies and information. Now retired, she can say what she wants. Her new findings are published in the Journal of Immunotoxicology.

Ratajczak has reviewed the entire body of the scientific science of autism
which dates back to 1943.

EXCERPTS ONLY --

Ratajczak also discusses that autism can be caused by numerous factors including an increased number of vaccines given in a short period of time. She reveals a startling piece of evidence: 23 vaccines contain human DNA, including the MMR vaccine and the Chickenpox vaccine. Both of these vaccines are suspected to induce autism. After the thimerosal-mercury additive was removed from many vaccines, vaccine manufacturers began including human fetal DNA tissue. (My edit: in many cases the mercury was replaced with formaldehyde, which as most organic chemists would tell you, is only slightly less toxic than mercury.)

recently Ratajczak explained to CBS news: "Because it's human DNA and the materials' recipients are humans, there's homologous recombination. That DNA is incorporated into the host DNA. Now it's changed, so its an altered self and the body's response is to kill it. Where is this most expressed? The neurons of the brain. Now you have body response killing the brain cells and it's an ongoing inflammation. It doesn't stop, it continues through the life of that individual."
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Currently there are numerous groups of researchers who are studying the effects of human fetal
DNA tissue and the possible link to pathologies, such as the Sound Choice P
Pharmaceutical Institute (SCPI). The SCPI has found in preliminary research that there are "hot spots" for DNA recombination connected to the 9 autism associated genes. These 9 genes are involved in neuron synapses, nervous system development and the functioning of the intracellular organelles called mitochondria.

http://metabolicheal...blower-reveals/


The DNA in these vaccines originate in aborted fetal tissue which does not have
to be disclosed to patients receiving the injections. For some this is a "pro-life" issue -- but for many other people, it simply is another questionable and dangerous source of contamination linked to rising rates of Autism and auto-immune diseases.

The article also notes that Big Pharma is replacing animal tissue in vaccines with
The article also notes that Big Pharma is replacing animal tissue in vaccines with
human tissue, also pushed by the "removal" of Thimerosal from some vaccines --

However, Thimerosal is still used in the manufacture of vaccines and TRACES of
Thimerosal have been noted in vaccines which are allegedly Thimerosal-free --



Do any vaccines contain human tissue?


Three links are pasted below that give clues on the possible harmful effects
that aborted fetal tissue vaccines have on the human immune system.

The second link confirms that residual human DNA is in aborted fetal tissue
cultured vaccines.

The third link below mentions Plotkin, a famous vaccine researcher on the pro
side of the street and an article that again shows that not all the human DNA
is filtered out of aborted fetal tissue vaccines.


Is aborted fetal DNA linked to autism?
By Theresa A. Deisher, Ph.D.

How could it be that the contaminating aborted fetal DNA goes on to create such problems?
It creates the own genomes through a process called recombination. There are groups
researching the potential link between this DNA and autoimmune diseases such as juvenile (type I) diabetes, multiple sclerosis and lupus.

Here is the link to further bit s of the article of which the paragraph above is just a portion: above: http://www.all.org/article/index/id/NDAzOQ


Vaccinating with human body parts can cause the recipient to produce
antibodies to human tissue. Children produce antibodies to every component
of the vaccine, and not simply the viruses. This can cause demylination of the
nerves and auto-immune disorders. Children who have been vaccinated with MMR
and later suffered autism have been found to have antibodies to their own brain
tissue, and this may be a consequence of using foetal tissue in MMR.

‘Susana C. Silva, Catarina Correia and Astrid M. Vicente at the Instituto
Gulbenkian de Ciência, Oeiras, Portugal and colleagues studied the blood of a
large sample of individuals - 171 patients, 191 parents and 54 healthy controls -
and report that autistic patients are in fact characterised by presenting in their
blood high levels of non-inherited antibodies against the body’s brain tissue.’
(Dr Catarina Amorim; Journal of Neuroimmunology; Instituto Gulbenkian de Ciência,
Observatório da Ciência e do Ensino Superior, Portugal; July 23, 2004).


ttp://www.vaclib.org/intro/human-tissue.htm



Unknown Consequences

"In 1993 a high court judge in the UK decided that is was impossible to
know the exact contents of vaccines and that science had no idea what the
cocktail of chemicals, contaminants and heavy metals contained in vaccines
could do to the human body, or why they would work to prevent disease."

"No one knows the long term consequences of injecting foreign proteins
into the body. Even more shocking is the fact that no one is making any
structured effort to find out."
Robert S. Mendelsohn MD, Professor of Pediatrics, University of Illinios, '
The Medical Time Bomb of Immunization Against Disease'


http://www.vaccinesuncensored.org/ingredients.php

Fortunately, parents have access to all of this information directly via
their libraries and the internet. They are not being intimidated by FEAR
campaigns by the vaccine industry, nor are they foolishly following a
"head in the sand" model of ignoring information.





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Reply Does fetal tissue in vaccines cause autism? (Original post)
truedelphi Apr 2014 OP
shenmue Apr 2014 #1
kickysnana Apr 2014 #21
HuckleB Apr 2014 #26
cybersleuth58 Apr 2014 #28
truedelphi Apr 2014 #34
truedelphi Apr 2014 #33
HuckleB Apr 2014 #41
dixiegrrrrl Apr 2014 #2
shenmue Apr 2014 #3
pipoman Apr 2014 #8
shenmue Apr 2014 #18
truedelphi Apr 2014 #36
HuckleB Apr 2014 #44
truedelphi Apr 2014 #39
truedelphi Apr 2014 #29
dixiegrrrrl Apr 2014 #47
HuckleB Apr 2014 #48
qazplm Apr 2014 #11
paleotn Apr 2014 #13
truedelphi Apr 2014 #30
HuckleB Apr 2014 #24
JesterCS Apr 2014 #4
truedelphi Apr 2014 #40
Orrex Apr 2014 #5
newfie11 Apr 2014 #6
HuckleB Apr 2014 #25
newfie11 Apr 2014 #35
HuckleB Apr 2014 #42
truedelphi Apr 2014 #37
HuckleB Apr 2014 #43
Botany Apr 2014 #7
paleotn Apr 2014 #12
Botany Apr 2014 #23
OKNancy Apr 2014 #9
truedelphi Apr 2014 #32
OKNancy Apr 2014 #10
HuckleB Apr 2014 #27
truedelphi Apr 2014 #31
HuckleB Apr 2014 #46
Chemisse Apr 2014 #49
HuckleB Apr 2014 #50
groundloop Apr 2014 #14
truedelphi Apr 2014 #38
HuckleB Apr 2014 #45
groundloop Apr 2014 #53
GeorgeGist Apr 2014 #15
hobbit709 Apr 2014 #16
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Response to truedelphi (Original post)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 04:00 AM

1. Not true

"23 vaccines contain human DNA, including the MMR vaccine and the Chickenpox vaccine. Both of these vaccines are suspected to induce autism."

Um, no, they are not.

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Response to shenmue (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 08:14 AM

21. Source?

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Response to kickysnana (Reply #21)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:05 AM

26. You shouldn't need a source to recognize that this is pure nonsense.

But here you go:
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-other-anti-vaccinationists/

BTW, the links in the OP: One does not work. One is from an anti-abortion site. The other two are from anti-vaccine sites.

Credibility is important.

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Response to HuckleB (Reply #26)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:20 AM

28. How many times...

How many times does this myth need debunking? Yes the right has its kooks, and the anti-vaccine crowd represents the lunatic fringe on our end.

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Response to cybersleuth58 (Reply #28)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 01:20 PM

34. See my reply number 33. n/t

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Response to HuckleB (Reply #26)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 01:15 PM

33. If Corporate Controlled Media would even allow for a discussion of

Vaccines, we wouldn't need internet alternative sites as the only ones that carry a discussion of some serious discussion points. But here is a reason that Big Pharma keeps careful control over the Media. For instance , over in France, where the vaccination issue is discussed much more freely in the French press and on TV and radio, the French population rejected flu vaccines. One flu season recently in a nation of 80 million people, only five million doses of vaccine were administered!

Why is it that Big Pharma spend such a fortune on drug ads, so that every other commercial during prime time is about Big Pharma drugs? Why indeed? Could it be because although media studies show that people no longer respond to those ads, he ads carry weight with the TV execs. Yes the tens of millions of dollars that the TV station receives means that they will never let their news people talk about the vaccination issue from a dialectical standpoint!

Besides that:

Are you even aware of the major and damning design flaws in the two major studies regarding autism, the two studies that are pointed to as the "proof" that vaccines do not cause autism?


One study looked at data regarding children and vaccines, from the era when vaccines contained mercury. The second group of data came from children who were infants and/or kids who had been vaccinated with vaccine material in which formaldehyde was substituted for the mercury.

Although formaldehyde is slightly slightly less toxic than mercury, it is still very toxic. Especially when induced into the bodies of infants and children. This study is like if you had a group of kids who drinking water contained kerosene and then you replaced the kerosene with gasoline that was a bit more diluted than the kerosene found in the first aquifers. The design of the study was indeed flawed.

So that study needs to be disregarded, because what we needed and deserved was a study in which infants and children's data came from a group where there was mercury in the vaccines versus a group that had not been vaccinated.

The second study was not really a study at all. It simply took the great numbers of studies out there that QUOTE prove UnQUOTE that vaccines do not cause autism and then counted up the number of studies that show there are indications that vaccines could be a suspect in the cause of autism.

Of course, the first group of studies outnumbered the second, as the indie researchers have no where near the amounts of funding.

If this is how the state of California had looked at the issue of MTBE's risk or safety, we would still have that toxin n our gasoline, destroying our health, our water and our air. There were thousands of studies showing that MTBE was fine. Meanwhile there were only TWO accredited studies that showed it is a poison. However those two were correct. While the other "thousands of studies" were bogus.

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #33)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 02:21 PM

41. FFS! This is the science group.

Cut off the conspiracy nonsense. Sheesh.

We've covered all of your parroting of anti-vaccine nonsense for years. You OP was crushed, as usual, and you then try claim some knowledge about something that you clearly don't understand in any way, shape or form.

Seriously?

Autism and Vaccines
http://www.autismsciencefoundation.org/autismandvaccines.html

Vaccine Safety: Examine the Evidence
http://www2.aap.org/immunization/families/faq/vaccinestudies.pdf

75 studies that show no link between vaccines and autism UPDATED to 107
http://justthevax.blogspot.com/2014/03/75-studies-that-show-no-link-between.html

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Response to truedelphi (Original post)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 04:26 AM

2. Oh dear..who to believe....

someone who posts details with links that can be checked out
or
someone who types "No", offering no links to counter arguments.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 04:34 AM

3. Vaccines don't induce autism

They just don't. Sorry if you can't believe that.

If someone posts "I live on the Moon," do we need to type counter-arguments?

Or do we stop believing in silly drivel because we are sensible people?

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Response to shenmue (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 05:44 AM

8. Yeah dixie...they don't, they just don't. ...what more do you need

 

Than that?

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Response to pipoman (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:41 AM

18. Just ignore science

Jenny McCarthy knows all!

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Response to shenmue (Reply #18)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 01:24 PM

36. Well what science is contained in two very badly designed supposed scientific studies?

I am referring to the two studies that are continually used to influence people that vaccines do not cause autism.

Read my reply # 33 for the full skinny on the two badly designed studies.

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #36)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 02:34 PM

44. You're referring to cherry picked nonsense.

No one who understands how science works is going to buy what you're selling. Those who would buy it, will be harmed by your nonsense. In other words, do the right thing and stop promoting disease.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 01:55 PM

39. Please take some time and read through my reply 36

Just a bit below yours.

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Response to shenmue (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 01:06 PM

29. Are you aware of the flaws in the two major studies that

QUOTE proved UnQUOTE that vaccines do not cause autism?

One study looked at data regarding children and vaccines, from the era when vaccines contained mercury. The second group of data came from children who were infants and/or kids who had been vaccinated with vaccine material in which formaldehyde was substituted for the mercury.

Although formaldehyde is slightly slightly less toxic than mercury, it is still very toxic. Especially when induced into the bodies of infants and children. This study is like if you had a group of kids who drinking water contained kerosene and then you replaced the kerosene with gasoline that was a bit more diluted than the kerosene found in the first aquifers. The design of the study was indeed flawed.

So that study needs to be disregarded, because what we needed and deserved was a study in which infants and children's data came from a group where there was mercury in the vaccines versus a group that had not been vaccinated.

The second study was not really a study at all. It simply took the great numbers of studies out there that QUOTE prove UnQUOTE that vaccines do not cause autism and then counted up the number of studies that show there are indications that vaccines could be a suspect in the cause of autism.

Of course, the first group of studies outnumbered the second, as the indie researchers have no where near the amounts of funding.

If this is how the state of California had looked at the issue of MTBE's risk or safety, we would still have that toxin n our gasoline, destroying our health, our water and our air. There were thousands of studies showing that MTBE was fine. Meanwhile there were only TWO accredited studies that showed it is a poison. However those two were correct. While the other "thousands of studies" were bogus.

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Response to shenmue (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 02:47 PM

47. Actually, you almost got my point.

I was addressing the logic of the argument, not the topic.

It doesn't matter to me who is "right" and who is "wrong" about the subject matter nearly as much as it matters that we can discuss something at more than a pre-school level.
Swooping in to a post to type only " NO" to someone's yes meets my criteria of silly drivel, no matter the topic. Tis not the least bit sensible.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #47)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 02:52 PM

48. The OP is pre-school level conspiracy nonsense.

For some reason, that didn't bother you, however. In fact, you "recommended" this pro-disease nonsense. Bottom line: Anyone who thinks critically and understands the issue only needs to say, "No," to this type of ridiculous goofiness.

A long look in the mirror goes a long way, sometimes.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:06 AM

11. well

I'm sure there are links to why we didn't land on the moon too.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:15 AM

13. Ummm, evidence below.....

.....this stupid shit has been debunked. Oh, about a 1000 times.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 01:06 PM

30. Please read reply 33, a reply to Huckle, at the beginning of the discussion. n/t

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:02 AM

24. About those links.

One doesn't work. One is from an anti-abortion outfit. The other two are from anti-vaccine outfits.

Hmmmmmmmm.

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Response to truedelphi (Original post)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 04:49 AM

4. The only thing that causes MORE cases of autism

is lumping more and more kids into the category for issues that years ago would have been explained another way.

In the instant-information age we also hear MORE about it because the info is more readily available.

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Response to JesterCS (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 02:05 PM

40. No I am sorry, that is not the case.

I can't conceive of ho w people hid their autistic kids from view back in the 1950's or 1960's.

It is true that there are probably kids whoa re borderline Asperger's who might be better off not having that diagnosis. But autism is n the rise for several reasons.

One) in the early days of vaccination campaigns, nurse sand other staff was carefully instructed to take precautions and administer the vaccines in safe ways. Among such protocols: shaking up the vial of vaccine material before each injection, so any toxins are evenly distributed. And staff knew better than to vaccinate a sick child,. Back in the Nineties, there was a woman who had twins, who made it n to Senator Burton's hearing on vaccination. One year old twin got the MMR vaccine and was fine His brother was sick the day of the vaccine and became autistic. That should never have happened. Even if you rule out the causal factor of vaccines and autism, there are hundreds of animal studies that prove that vaccinating any sick mammal increases the likelihood of cancer.Vets are careful not to do this, and they are only dealing with animals. If only pediatric staff was as thorough!

Two: Overuse of noxious chems. People in this modern day and age have a propensity for using toxic materials. I was a caregiver to an autistic young adult. His parents had for decades routinely sprayed the massive redwood decks (over 1500 feet of redwood deck surrounded their mansion) with a heavy duty copper and other heavy metals spray, probably including arsenic, to preserve the deck. My husband, who has no usual problems with being around various poisons, was so afflicted by the chemicals in the air on the days that the house was sprayed - he wouldn't come over to visit when that was happening. I can only imagine the effect on a fetus in utero.

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Response to truedelphi (Original post)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 05:28 AM

5. I love to wake up to front page nonsense

Unrec.

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Response to truedelphi (Original post)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 05:39 AM

6. Why is fetal tissue in vaccines?

That's gross! I had no idea.

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Response to newfie11 (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:03 AM

25. There's nothing "gross" about it.

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Response to HuckleB (Reply #25)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 01:22 PM

35. There a difference in cells from tissue

Maybe you need to learn anatomy/physiology.

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Response to newfie11 (Reply #35)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 02:24 PM

42. That's your response?

Are you serious? WTH?

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Response to newfie11 (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 01:30 PM

37. it is in vaccines because it is supposedly

"needed" as a growth medium. And of course, because the FDA allows it.

I can't find out why the FDA thinks it is okay, but I did find this tidbit about why the FDA allows aluminum in vaccines:

According to the FDA, vaccines represent a special category of drugs as they are generally given to healthy individuals. Further according to the FDA, “this places significant emphasis on their vaccine safety”. (MY edithere: What in the world doe that mean? Under that reasoning I can feed my husband arsenic, if he is a healthy individual at the time I decide to do that!)

While the FDA does set an upper limit for Aluminum in vaccines at no more that 850/mg/dose, it is important to note that this amount was selected empirically from data showing that Aluminum in such amounts enhanced the antigenicity of the vaccine, rather than from existing safety. Given that the scientific evidence appears to indicate that vaccine safety is not as firmly established as often believed, it would seem ill advised to exclude paediatric vaccinations as a possible cause of adverse long-term neurodevelopment outcomes , including those associated with autism.

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #37)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 02:27 PM

43. Your anti-vaccine pseudoscience does not belong here.

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Response to truedelphi (Original post)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 05:39 AM

7. What a steaming pile of crap

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Response to Botany (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:14 AM

12. Couldn't have said it better.

....people and the stupid ass shit they believe never ceases to amaze me.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 08:51 AM

23. Measles, mumps, & rubella along with scarlet fever used to cause blindness and other life long ...

..... problems oh and they could kill you too.

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Response to truedelphi (Original post)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 05:56 AM

9. I see Mercola believes this...

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 01:13 PM

32. It is a logical fallacy to believe that because someone you

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Dismiss or distrust says something, then the statement or beliefs they hold on some other issue can be debunked, simply on account of that person's reputation.

I am rather sure that Mercola believes in gravity, the Big Bang, evolution etc, but does that mean we should all abandon those beliefs?

Please read my reply 33, which discusses in detail how the "Two Proofs" of why it is that vaccines are not the cause of autism are not really proofs, as the conclusions of those studies are based on faulty and badly designed studies. So the conclusions can be dismissed until they are actually proven.

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Response to truedelphi (Original post)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 05:58 AM

10. Debunked here:

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:06 AM

27. +1,000,000 ... 000

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 01:09 PM

31. I will repeat what I put up in reply 33:

Are you even aware of the design flaws in the two major studies regarding autism, the two studies that are pointed to as the "proof" that vaccines do not cause autism?


One study looked at data regarding children and vaccines, from the era when vaccines contained mercury. The second group of data came from children who were infants and/or kids who had been vaccinated with vaccine material in which formaldehyde was substituted for the mercury.

Although formaldehyde is slightly slightly less toxic than mercury, it is still very toxic. Especially when induced into the bodies of infants and children. This study is like if you had a group of kids who drinking water contained kerosene and then you replaced the kerosene with gasoline that was a bit more diluted than the kerosene found in the first aquifers. The design of the study was indeed flawed.

So that study needs to be disregarded, because what we needed and deserved was a study in which infants and children's data came from a group where there was mercury in the vaccines versus a group that had not been vaccinated.

The second study was not really a study at all. It simply took the great numbers of studies out there that QUOTE prove UnQUOTE that vaccines do not cause autism and then counted up the number of studies that show there are indications that vaccines could be a suspect in the cause of autism.

Of course, the first group of studies outnumbered the second, as the indie researchers have no where near the amounts of funding.

If this is how the state of California had looked at the issue of MTBE's risk or safety, we would still have that toxin n our gasoline, destroying our health, our water and our air. There were thousands of studies showing that MTBE was fine. Meanwhile there were only TWO accredited studies that showed it is a poison. However those two were correct. While the other "thousands of studies" were bogus.

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #31)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 02:43 PM

46. Derp.

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Response to HuckleB (Reply #46)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 03:51 PM

49. It looks like she is right about the flaw in the studies.

A quick perusal of the 75+ studies shows reference only to children vaccinated with mercury-containing vaccines, as compared to those receiving vaccines with different preservative.

Do you have links to any studies comparing vaccinated vs unvaccinated kids, with regards to autism?

I'm not endorsing the anti-vaccine stance by any means. There doesn't seem to be any evidence to support it. And it does seem unlikely that a new preservative would have the very same effect as the old one.

However, it's not rigorous science if there are any assumptions involved.

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Response to Chemisse (Reply #49)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 03:52 PM

50. No, it really doesn't.

If you're really going to push the anti-vaccine routine comparing populations in a study that would be unethical, I have nothing more to say, because you're pushing the usual propaganda then. Further, pretending that enormity of the research available is "not rigorous" is simply playing a game that shows that you don't understand the varieties of evidence, and how it's acquired. BTW, it's 107 studies, with links to two other very well regarded institutions and their assessments, also a part of the picture. And I'm only getting started, if I really had to, as you well know.

This is 2014. The evidence against these made up claims grows monthly. Do I really need to point out how much formaldehyde is in a pear compared to a vaccine?

Still, PS: http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2014/01/22/a-vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated-study-and-guess-what-vaccinated-kids-do-better-on-tests/

PSS: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/03/11/for-the-anti-vaccinationists-out-there-t/

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Response to truedelphi (Original post)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:17 AM

14. I call bullshit - look at the linked websites.... right wing propaganda


A few tidbits from all.org, one of those "sources".

"Most of the so-called contraceptive methods provided by Planned Parenthood—such as oral contraceptives, emergency contraception (also called "the morning after pill", contraceptive injectables, contraceptive implants, and IUDs— sometimes prevent the implantation in the mother’s womb of a human embryo about 5 to 7 days old. This results in the deaths of an untold number of tiny human beings."


"Sex Education: Why is it Wrong
2010-01-08 12:58:44 - Rita Diller
Today, children are continually bombarded with sexual propaganda. More and more children are experimenting with sexual encounters and thus contracting STDs, becoming pregnant, having abortions and .... "


" Additionally, birth control leads to a state of mind that treats sexual activity as if it has nothing to do with procreation. Sexual activity becomes a recreational activity, birth control becomes a recreational drug and babies become "accidents" or burdens to be eliminated."

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Response to groundloop (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 01:53 PM

38. It is the right wing that took up the cause of ridding the state of

California from MTBE (a gas additive). Their activism on the issue led to the Democratic governor appointing a Blue Ribbon Panel to study MTBE, and those scientists found that the risk to benefit was zero. Lots of risk, and no benefit.

So the governor proceeded to see that the substance was banned.

Governor Davis was recalled after this happened. Big oil put up the Big Money to recall him. And Ahnold Schwartzennegger, backed by that same money source, got the governor's mansion for over eight years.

If you think about it,k this means that the RW is divided on issues.

And there is nothing that says because someone's stance on social issues is flawed, that their ideas on other matters are not to be considered. For instance, the junior Senator from Illinois was against gay marriage when he ran for the Presidency in 2008. Also he remained in that mode for some years after his election, but that social conservatism of his did not cause me to vote for a more socially liberal, third party candidate back in 2008. Maybe that made you vote for someone else, but not me.

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #38)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 02:42 PM

45. After calling out another posting regarding a logical fallacy, you posted this?

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #38)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 04:09 PM

53. do you REALLY consider those crackpot websited to be good sources?

I'm sorry, but a website that posts this crap:

".... Sexual activity becomes a recreational activity, birth control becomes a recreational drug ...."

is NOT a source of information but rather a source of propaganda.

I usually refrain from touting my 'credentials', but I have two engineering degrees and am pretty well versed in what is and what isn't legitimate science. There isn't a single solitary shred of evidence cited that stands up to the slightest bit of scientific scrutiny, and I can't believe this entire thread hasn't been locked by now.

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Response to truedelphi (Original post)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:23 AM

15. The 'scientist' ...

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Response to truedelphi (Original post)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:24 AM

16. No more than reading drivel does.

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Response to truedelphi (Original post)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:40 AM

17. I think I caught autism from reading this thread.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #17)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:42 AM

19. :)

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Response to shenmue (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:45 AM

20. .

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Response to Squinch (Reply #17)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 03:53 PM

51. You win the internets for today.








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Response to truedelphi (Original post)

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 08:18 AM

22. ...

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Tue Apr 15, 2014, 03:54 PM

52. ...

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