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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 07:04 PM Sep 2014

From a childhood hallucination to the halls of theoretical physics.

My Own Personal Nothingness

BY ALAN LIGHTMAN

My most vivid encounter with Nothingness occurred in a remarkable experience I had as a child of 9 years old. It was a Sunday afternoon. I was standing alone in a bedroom of my home in Memphis Tennessee, gazing out the window at the empty street, listening to the faint sound of a train passing a great distance away, and suddenly I felt that I was looking at myself from outside my body. I was somewhere in the cosmos. For a brief few moments, I had the sensation of seeing my entire life, and indeed the life of the entire planet, as a brief flicker in a vast chasm of time, with an infinite span of time before my existence and an infinite span of time afterward. My fleeting sensation included infinite space. Without body or mind, I was somehow floating in the gargantuan stretch of space, far beyond the solar system and even the galaxy, space that stretched on and on and on. I felt myself to be a tiny speck, insignificant in a vast universe that cared nothing about me or any living beings and their little dots of existence, a universe that simply was. And I felt that everything I had experienced in my young life, the joy and the sadness, and everything that I would later experience, meant absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. It was a realization both liberating and terrifying at once. Then, the moment was over, and I was back in my body.

The strange hallucination lasted only a minute or so. I have never experienced it since. Although Nothingness would seem to exclude awareness along with the exclusion of everything else, awareness was part of that childhood experience, but not the usual awareness I would locate within the three pounds of gray matter in my head. It was a different kind of awareness. I am not religious, and I do not believe in the supernatural. I do not think for a minute that my mind actually left my body. But for a few moments I did experience a profound absence of the familiar surroundings and thoughts we create to anchor our lives. It was a kind of Nothingness.



To understand anything, as Aristotle argued, we must understand what it is not, and Nothingness is the ultimate opposition to any thing. To understand matter, said the ancient Greeks, we must understand the “void,” or the absence of matter. Indeed, in the fifth century B.C., Leucippus argued that without the void there could be no motion because there would be no empty spaces for matter to move into. According to Buddhism, to understand our ego we must understand the ego-free state of “emptiness,” called śūnyatā. To understand the civilizing effects of society, we must understand the behavior of human beings removed from society, as William Golding so powerfully explored in his novel Lord of the Flies.

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From a childhood hallucination to the halls of theoretical physics. (Original Post) n2doc Sep 2014 OP
Interesting! Thanks! pnwmom Sep 2014 #1
A very compelling and satisfying exposition by Alan Lightman.. DreamGypsy Sep 2014 #2
And the non-material part will continue to exist WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2014 #4
Uh. No... DreamGypsy Sep 2014 #14
Oh, I noted the statement and yes WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2014 #16
I AM I WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2014 #3
When I was a child I had a fever ... jimlup Sep 2014 #5
I've had a similar feeling a number of times. DirkGently Sep 2014 #6
I've had it happen a couple of times out of nowhere too jimlup Sep 2014 #7
Isolation / isolated concentration, maybe? DirkGently Sep 2014 #9
Er I disagree about the jimlup Sep 2014 #10
Wasn't thinking hallucinogens. DirkGently Sep 2014 #12
you're right jimlup Sep 2014 #13
9 year old gets into parents stash of acid. postulater Sep 2014 #8
You beat me to it! jimlup Sep 2014 #11
I'm surprised I was the first at number 8! postulater Sep 2014 #15
No, a child, not yet filled with an ego filled with self entitlements, a simple truth that as we age AuntPatsy Sep 2014 #17

DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
2. A very compelling and satisfying exposition by Alan Lightman..
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 09:00 PM
Sep 2014

...and I especially appreciated:

<snip> ...we human beings, and all living beings, are completely material. That is, we are made of material atoms, and only material atoms. To be precise, the average human being consists of about 7 x 1027 atoms (7,000 trillion trillion atoms)—65 percent oxygen, 18 percent carbon, 10 percent hydrogen, 3 percent nitrogen, 1.4 percent calcium, 1.1 percent phosphorous, and traces of 54 other chemical elements. The totality of our tissues and muscles and organs and brain cells is composed of these atoms. And there is nothing else. To a vast cosmic being, each of us would appear to be an assemblage of atoms. To be sure, it is a special assemblage. A rock does not behave like a person. But the mental sensations we experience as consciousness and thought are purely material consequences of the purely material electrical and chemical interactions between neurons, which in turn are simply assemblages of atoms. And when we die, this special assemblage disassembles. The total number of atoms in our body at our last breath remains constant. Each atom could be tagged and tracked as it subsequently mingled with air and water and soil. The material would remain, scattered about. Each of us is a temporary assemblage of atoms, not more and not less. We are all on the verge of material disassemblage and dissolution.

<snip>

What I feel and I know is that I am here now, at this moment in the grand sweep of time. I am not part of the void. I am not a fluctuation in the quantum vacuum. Even though I understand that someday my atoms will be scattered in soil and in air, that I will no longer exist, that I will join some kind of Nothingness, I am alive now. I am feeling this moment. I can see my hand on my writing desk. I can feel the warmth of the sun through the window. And looking out, I can see the pine-needled path that goes down to the sea. Now.


His concluding paragraph above captures what makes me appreciate every day...walking the dogs around the farm, experiencing the lush plant life of my green world, seeing the hawks circling above the fields (or the bats on the evening walks), hearing their cries, knowing that each leaf on a tree (or blueberry bush) or blade of grass or cloud in the sky or star at night that I see is the impression and interpretation of countless photons impinging on my eyes - photons of "visible light", a tiny band of electromagnetic radiation that is the predominant energy emitted by our sun...which caused evolving life on earth to develop eyes attuned to those frequencies. What a great story! And, yes, when the physical body that enables this incredible experience dies and decays...the infinitesimal bits and pieces that enabled my existence will survive and form new experience.

Thanks, N2D, for this post.


WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
4. And the non-material part will continue to exist
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 09:50 PM
Sep 2014

and know all.
How is this possible?
It can not be put into words.

DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
14. Uh. No...
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 11:20 PM
Sep 2014

... perhaps you didn't note the statement:

we human beings, and all living beings, are completely material.


There is no "non-material part." Love minus zero, no limit.

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
16. Oh, I noted the statement and yes
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 12:00 AM
Sep 2014

all living substances are material.
It's that total conscious energy thing that can't be quantified, proven or denied.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
5. When I was a child I had a fever ...
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 09:54 PM
Sep 2014

My hands felt just like two balloons
Now I've got that feeling once again
I can't explain, you would not understand
This is not how I am
I have become comfortably numb


DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
6. I've had a similar feeling a number of times.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 09:56 PM
Sep 2014

A sense of being untethered from personal identity -- like looking out of your own eyes for the first time and finding all of the specifics of life to be strangely random, and maybe even ... unlikely?

I've read descriptions of the Buddhist concept of nirvana (a stillness of mind) that seemed close. But mine seemed to pop up out of nowhere -- not a product of meditation.

Usually just a fleeting sensation, though, and not anything I'd characterize as a hallucination.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
7. I've had it happen a couple of times out of nowhere too
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 09:58 PM
Sep 2014

I also had it happen once when I was extremely tired. I mean extremely no sleep for a week working on my Ph.D. experiment. When the data run was over I went to sleep and when I awoke BLAME! Full fledge instant karma! It lasted the whole day (which was only about 4 hours 'cause I was so sleep deprived.)

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
9. Isolation / isolated concentration, maybe?
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:21 PM
Sep 2014

I think mine popped up when I hadn't spoken, or heard people speak, and had no internal monologue going on for a spell -- not necessarily a long one. Chatter of any kind seems to break the spell.

Never had it last for a whole day, but if I tried, I could hold onto it and sort of explore for a few minutes.

Edit: And those lyrics from Comfortably Numb do capture a bit of it, until they start sounding more like getting high, which is a different thing.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
12. Wasn't thinking hallucinogens.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:43 PM
Sep 2014

I always thought they were going for more of a heroin vibe there.

I have ... heard others make similar suggestions to yours regarding LSD / mushrooms.

And yeah, not the time or place.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
13. you're right
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:51 PM
Sep 2014

I do think that song is a heroin song. It still succeeds in being one of my favorites. Kinda like Dylan's "Mr. Tambourine Man" with regard to favorites (not style.)

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
17. No, a child, not yet filled with an ego filled with self entitlements, a simple truth that as we age
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:18 AM
Sep 2014

Becomes unthinkable...

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