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http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21428635.700-swarm-of-pebbles-could-safely-deflect-asteroids.htmlFLINGING pebbles at an asteroid sounds like a fruitless task, but a new calculation shows that this could deflect an Earthbound rock.
It takes surprisingly little force to deflect an asteroid, provided it is done several years before the projected impact. Previous ideas have included landing an engine on the asteroid to push it away from a collision, and using mirrors or lasers to vaporise its surface and provide thrust to shift its course.
Alison Gibbings and Massimiliano Vasile, aerospace engineers at the University of Strathclyde, UK, have another solution. A 500-kilogram swarm of fingernail-sized spacecraft would, they calculate, deflect a fast-moving, 250-metre asteroid by nearly 35,000 kilometres - easily enough to avoid a collision, provided the swarm hits eight years, or about three orbits, before the expected Earth impact. A swarm could be launched from Earth in a single rocket. After release, pebbles could harness the thrust provided by reflected sunlight to steer themselves into a tight cloud directed at the asteroid.
Best of all, each pebble would be too small to crack the asteroid into still-dangerous pieces, the pair reported on 17 April at the Astrobiology Science Conference in Atlanta, Georgia.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)DetlefK
(16,423 posts)The original article doesn't give much away on their model, so I don't know, if they took these into account:
1. The pebbles wouldn't impact at the same time. For the sake of simplicity, let's say they impact in two waves. The first wave will impact and sputter the surface. This will create a cloud of dust, pebbles and rocky material around the impact area. The second wave will hit this cloud first, greatly reducing the efficiency of momentum transfer.
2. Quote from article: "After release, pebbles could harness the thrust provided by reflected sunlight to steer themselves into a tight cloud directed at the asteroid." This is total bullshit. That's like focusing the shrapnel of a shotgun-shell in-flight with a fan.
Actually, the cloud of pebbles would get ripped apart by gravitational tidal forces over the course of those many years until they hit the asteroid. The cloud would increase in diameter over time. There sure would be gravitational attraction within the cloud, but it wouldn't be strong enough to keep it together.
Let this sink in:
Earth has 1 AU distance from the Sun, the Asteroid Belt 2,3-3,3 AU.
Their plan is to hit a moving 250m target over a distance of 1,3 AU. That's a ratio of roughly 1 78.000.000 (If you can hit a grain of salt from half a mile away with a sniper-rifle, your accuracy still wouldn't be good enough by far.)
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Speck Tater
(10,618 posts)... look to anonymous posters on the Internet for the real truth.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)eqfan592
(5,963 posts)...an asteroid that is going to impact the earth isn't going to be hanging out in the Asteroid Belt, at least not full time, otherwise it wouldn't be a risk. It will be on an orbit that more than likely nears Earths on a fairly regular basis.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)DetlefK
(16,423 posts)@Scuba: I consider this to be my "opinion". I'm a physicist, but astrophysics is more of a hobby for me than a profession.
@Speck Tater: My post contains a disclaimer, stating that I don't know whether the model of the scientists accounted for the arguments I have raised.
@eqfan592: Your point is absolutely correct. I just took the distance earth<->asteroid belt as an example for the interplanetary distances involved.
eppur_se_muova
(36,258 posts)the mother ship until within effective distance. The ship could even fire them off in waves, letting the dust cloud disperse between waves.
The secret to hitting something with a gun is to get close to the target.
As for using solar thrust ... this is like steering a SAIL with a (very big !) fan.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)If you get close to the asteroid before firing, there's no need to use stellar wind for course-corrections.
Please close your eyes and picture a swarm of 10.000 inch-sized metal slugs, each with a solar-sail of some square-meters, drifting through the void of space. Do you think, this can be pulled of without collisions?
eppur_se_muova
(36,258 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)That "cloud" also will be rapidly falling in density, any debris thrown up is going to continue in a very close approximation of a straight line with essentially unchanged velocity forever for all practical purposes.
With active maneuvering via light pressure there's no reason that a formation of spacecraft of any arbitrary scale down to bacteria size need disperse at all. Artificial smarts are fairly cheap and small now and getting cheaper and smaller all the time, a thimble sized self navigating spacecraft is by no means out of the realm of possibility and if you can make one you can make a million or a billion or however many are necessary.
This is very similar to the "Brilliant Pebbles" SDI concept but hitting a stealthed missile in flight with only very short notice is a far more difficult task than hitting an asteroid whose position and orbit has been known to a high degree of accuracy for a long time.