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Related: About this forumAbsorption of Sulfur Dioxide by Deep Eutectic Solvents
The paper I will discuss in this post is this one: Role of Hydrophilic Ammonium-Based Deep Eutectic Solvents in SO2 Absorption (Duan et al Energy Fuels 2020, 34, 1, 74-81.)
All of the waste products resulting from the combustion of dangerous fossil fuels are harmful, the most serious of course being carbon dioxide over the long term, but in terms of immediate health consequences, the carcinogens found in particulates are probably responsible for the majority of the millions of deaths dangerous fossil fuel waste each year. This said, none of the other pollutants are harmless. I sometimes muse to myself whether the largest source of mercury exposure, the combustion of coal, is responsible for the rising popularity of stupidity. As many educated people know, the madness of "Mad Hatters" - which was very real and not merely a literary invention - was the result of the use, by hatters, in the 18th and 19th century, of mercury to improve the appearance of hat pins.
Mercury, since the days of "mad hatters" was further distributed by distributed medical waste in thermometers and blood pressure devices, laboratory use in anemometers and other devices - including the device used by the first American to win the Nobel Prize in Physics, Albert Michelson, who showed that the speed of light was not subject to relativistic enhancement by the speed of the Earth's revolution around the sun, inspiring Albert Einstein's famous theory on this subject. It is still also widely used in gold mining operations, which is also represents, both in abandoned and operative gold mines, a serious source of mercury pollution.
However, the combustion of coal is still the major source of mercury pollution. Despite all the popularly believed rhetoric that "coal is dead," especially when it is raised as "proof" on an absurd but widely held belief that so called "renewable energy" is great, as I often note, in this century, coal has been the fastest growing source of energy on this planet, by far, followed by dangerous natural gas, followed by petroleum. The use of dangerous fossil fuels is rising and is doing so rapidly. If you think we are either doing something or going to do something about this state of affairs, sorry, you are lying to yourself.
Another major pollutant, probably dwarfed by particulates and heavy metals - not limited to mercury but also including the other major neurotoxin lead, and the element that is the subject of much mysticism, uranium - release by the combustion of coal consists of the two oxides of sulfur, SO2 and SO3, sulfur dioxide and sulfur trioxide. The latter is the anhydride of sulfuric acid. In the presence of water, it forms sulfuric acid, which is now a constituent of clouds where it leads to acid rain (along with nitrogen oxides).
This paper is about sulfur dioxide.
I favor the immediate phase out of dangerous fossil fuels - not by using so called "renewable energy" which will remain, as it always has, spectacularly incapable of addressing any major environmental problem since it is neither sustainable nor safe nor clean, but by the form of energy that many people, regrettably some Presidential candidates who wish to be thought of as being "green," nuclear energy. The idea of phasing out nuclear energy, as opposed to rapidly expanding it on an emergency basis, is definitely in mad hatter territory. Indeed, my speculation about the effect of mercury and lead aerosols released by dangerous fossil fuel combustion as having a bearing on the mass insanity that is on the rise, everywhere, is driven a consideration by the popular insanity with respect to nuclear energy, among many other things. Nuclear energy is not risk free, but it doesn't need to be risk free to save lives overall. The situation is best described by the existence of ambulances. Ambulances travel at high and potentially dangerous speeds, ignoring traffic laws, and, as the operate, releasing deadly dangerous fossil fuel wastes from their tailpipes. However the existence of ambulances has clearly saved more lives than it has cost, and so, rightly, we accept the existence of ambulances, even knowing that they are potentially very dangerous devices.
Ambulance Safety NHTSB Infographic.
Shutting perfectly operable nuclear power plants kills people; this is true in Germany; it is true in California, Massachusetts and Vermont. It is true anywhere nuclear power plants are shut by appeals to fear and ignorance.
To return almost to the point, and get off my continuously mounted soapbox, the paper listed above is very much about the continued use of coal, and is a description of putting lipstick on the expanding coal pig, by offering a route to reducing just one of the pollutants, not even the most important pollutants. Along with so called "renewable energy" which is also lipstick on the coal, petroleum and gas pig, there is no technology that can make fossil fuels acceptably safe, especially because nuclear energy is now so well understood, and neither fossil fuels, or reactionary rhetoric about so called "renewable energy" can make any technology as safe and as sustainable as nuclear energy.
Nevertheless, it is well worth considering this paper even if one is an environmentalist who favors the immediate phase out of all dangerous fossil fuels. Here's why: Because we hate our children so much as to insist them to enslave themselves to clean up our mess, because we have done exactly zero beyond issuing well meaning platitudes to address climate change, it will be necessary for future generations to remove carbon dioxide from the air. The engineering of this task is extremely challenging, extremely expensive, and very energy intensive. The largest source of so called "renewable energy" - biomass - is currently the second largest, after dangerous fossil fuels - cause of energy related deaths, the majority of which are currently involved in air pollution, although extreme weather is catching up.
However, one thing that biomass does, as it is self replicating and can more or less spontaneously cover huge surface areas cheaply, and because it has evolved to a combinatorially optimized point over billions of years, is to concentrate carbon from the atmosphere. Recently in this space, citing a paper on an issue in biomass closed (smokestack free) combustion, corrosion, I pointed out that sulfur is an essential element in living systems. Thus the treatment of biomass to recover the carbon in it will necessary involve sulfur, either in the extremely reduced (and highly toxic) form as H2S gas, or as sulfur oxides.
In addition, as I noted in passing, one widely discussed thermochemical cycle for splitting water is the sulfur iodine cycle. In the oxygen generating portion of this cycle, only 33% of the evolved gases after the condensation of water is oxygen. 67% is sulfur dioxide. I stopped thinking about the sulfur-iodine cycle a few years back because of mass transfer issues, but recently, having been exposed indirectly to new insights, I'm thinking about it again, and thus this paper, which is about the separation of sulfur dioxide from a gas stream - in this case flue waste - is of some interest to me, which is not to say that I think that the sulfur iodine cycle is the best thermochemical cycle - I actually favor Allam cycle coupled metal based carbon dioxide splitting cycles - but it is nonetheless worth considering. I recall reading a few years back that the Chinese were working on piloting this cycle with nuclear energy, but having (temporarily) lost interest, I didn't follow up to see if this actually happened.
Anyway, from the introductory text of the paper:
Ionic liquids (ILs) have been applied in SO2 absorption. In particular, imidazolium-based ILs are excellent for SO2 absorption.(5,6) Hong found that the ability to absorb SO2 was related to the numbers of ether groups on ILs, as the ether-functional group could enhance the physical reaction between SO2and ILs. [E8min][MeSO3] could absorb 6.30 mol SO2 g1 ILs at 30 °C and under atmospheric pressure.(7) Lee et al. reported the absorbing behavior of [Bztmeda][MeSO3].(8) However, with further investigation, the toxic and recalcitrant ILs could arguably cause environmental damage.(9) Deep eutectic solvents (DESs), as a new kind of greener and cost-efficient solvents, have been used widely in gas separation.(10?13) Han et al. synthesized choline chloride (ChCl)-based DESs and reported that ChCl/glycol, ChCl/glycerin, and ChCl/hexamethylene glycol could successfully absorb SO2. The absorption ability increased with the concentration of ChCl and could reach 0.678 g SO2g1 DESs.(14) Deng prepared ChCl/levulinic acid and applied it for SO2absorption. With the calculated absorption enthalpy, the thermodynamic properties were investigated.(15) Liu investigated the absorption capacity of phenol-based DESs for SO2 at 293.15323.15 K and 01.0 bar, reaching the capacity of 0.528 g SO2 g1 DES.(16) Hydrophilic DESs have been a promising SO2 absorbent. However, the high viscosity is one of the significant characteristics of DESs. For example, the viscosity of ChCl-based DESs is usually higher than 2000 mPa·s.(17,18) This viscosity creates a mass-transfer barrier in the gasliquid (SO2absorbent) reaction, and thus, SO2 absorption is greatly limited.(19)
To investigate the mass-transfer barrier in SO2 absorption, a kind of hydrophilic deep eutectic solvents (DESs) and their hydrates were prepared to solve the relatively viscosity of DESs in SO2 absorption. The effects of tetrabutylammonium halogen/caprolactam (TBAB/CPL) DESs were investigated systematically, and the hydrophilic interfacial reaction was studied to explore the absorption mechanism of SO2 absorption in DESs.
A deep eutectic solvent is a solvent that has a lower melting point - a melting point lower than its individual components in the absence of the others - than "ambient temperatures, generally taken to be 25°C.
The rest of the story can be pretty much appreciated merely by looking at the pictures and their captions:
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There is considerable discussion in the paper on the properties of the interface, to which the above graphic alludes. The interface is, of course, an important issue in gas absorption, as further explored in the text referring to the next graphic:
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It may be useful for anyone who may wish to explore this conception further, to give some commentary on spectra and mechanism.
Some of the remarks on spectra:
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Some remarks in the paper on mechanism:
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A caveat here concerns the stability of these reagents. To the extent that this reagents are exposed to acids, and one would imagine that a SO2 stream will necessarily be acidic, the stability of caprolactam to ring opening is certainly a major consideration.
Personally - and this is just a comment from the "peanut gallery" since I have not worked personally or directly with ionic liquids although I'm well acquainted with them - I think the ionic liquid routes are probably a better choice, since their toxicology can almost certainly be managed.
I don't necessarily like the way the solvents are regenerated, which seems to involve the use of a nitrogen stream, meaning the SO2 gas is impure and will need further processing.
Have a nice day tomorrow.
captain queeg
(10,188 posts)Did a summer job as a grunt in a refinery shutdown. We were cleaning the hydro cracker (or maybe it was the cat cracker). At any rate we were in a confined space all day where they were supposed to be monitoring the air. They didnt however. After a couple days someone finally showed up to test the air in the vessel. It had dangerous levels of SO2 and they chased us out, from then on we had to used supplied air. Guess that explained the headaches Id had the first couple days
NNadir
(33,516 posts)You should probably consider yourself lucky that it was only a headache. Frankly you could have been killed.
Fossil fuels are unbelievably dangerous whether or not the are in normal use or they are in accident situations, or as in your case, clean up.
Under some situations, sulfur is present in a reduced form, notably the rotten egg smell of hydrogen sulfide. The reason we can detect this odor at very low levels and that we universally find the odor so repulsive is connected with its high potency as a toxin.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,468 posts)I suspect it is not.
It's not like the majority of us can argue with your educated and unsolicited support of nuclear energy. Most of us can't.
But I think it is fair to expect technology supporters to answer basic questions before promoting a particular energy project.
1 Why did Nuclear Technology fail at Fukishima? Somehow, I think profits are involved.
2 From strictly a USA standpoint. Why not decentralize and labor intensify our energy systems.
I'm thinking of a solar/roof system that will take care of my needs and put out energy on the grid.
Would nuclear energy be a better national security solution?
NNadir
(33,516 posts)Between six and seven million people die every year from air pollution.
How is it that everyone wants to talk endlessly about Fukushima and not at all about 70 million people who die every decade from dangerous fossil fuel waste?
How many people died from radiation at Fukushima again?
The event was an earthquake. Twenty thousand people died from seawater and collapsing buildings destroyed by seawater. How come no one ever questions why buildings failed? They certainly killed more people than radiation in the same event that destroyed the reactors.
In fact, including the Indian Ocean Tsunami in 2004, over 250,000 people have been killed by seawater from tsunamis.
If we are so concerned about Fukushima, why are we not equally concerned with coastal cities, asking why we have them.
As for distributed energy and solar enerpgy talk, I have no use whatsoever for distributed energy, because I've looked into the matter at a very deep level. I used to think solar energy was a good idea. I changed my mind. (I personally think anyone who cannot change their mind is too flawed to be in any position of power, take that Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders!)
The most successful and wildly used distributed energy device, by far, is the automobile, which has killed millions of people in the last half a century, the same half a century in which commercial nuclear power operations have operated. Automobiles kill with accidents; they kill with their waste products, they kill with the run-off of the distributed pollution they inevitably become and the distributed pollution they produce in operation, oils, greases, lubricants, and asphalt.
Distributed energy is ultimately distributed pollution. I wouldn't dream of putting a solar cell on my roof, because I know how they work, what they are made of, what goes into their manufacture and what their fate will be.
Will it be easier and more straight forward to clean up the planetary atmosphere than it is to "clean up" 80,000 tons of used nuclear fuel, if in fact we wanted to "clean up" nuclear fuel because we insist on the bad thinking that doesn't see it as a resource?
In twenty or twenty five years, all the solar cells now on roofs will be another part of what is the second or third worst waste profile in the world right now, after dangerous fossil fuel waste and polymer waste, electronic waste. Of course, all the people buying solar cells and batteries will not have the responsibility of cleaning up the mines, the factories, and the waste that all this stuff generates. It's just more garbage to be dumped on future generations as an expression of contempt for our children, our grandchildren and their great, great, great grandchildren. Your twenty years of "off grid" heaven is not superior to the lives of every other human beings who will come after us.
From my perspective, it is immoral to "go off grid" and I have very little patience for people congratulating themselves for embracing this bourgeois affectation. The extraordinarily low energy to mass ration of so called "renewable energy" clearly delineates it as an environmental disaster waiting to happen.
For the record, the explosion at the Mitsubishi trichlorosilane plant in 2004 instantaneously killed more people than died of radiation immediately or within the last ten years, from the effects of radiation release as the natural disaster at Fukushima which showed, once again, that coastal cities, with and without nuclear power plants are not absolutely "safe." Trichlorosilane is a key intermediate in the manufacture of solar cells and many other similar electronic devices. I note that the solar industry, despite half a century of cheering for it is trivial, and were it ever to get to ten exajoules per year of the 600 exajoules per year that humanity is now consuming, these disasters would be far more prevalent than the unacceptable level at which they already exist. The solar industry is perceived as harmless precisely because it is trivial. On scale its environmental drawbacks would be impossible to ignore.
Now, 19,000 people will die today from air pollution. They would not have died were it not for the selective attention that declares than ten or twenty or even a thousand deaths from radiation in abnormal excursions, are infinitely more important than tens of millions of deaths from the normal operations of dangerous fossil fuel power plants, production plants and distributed energy devices propelled by dangerous fossil fuels.
Please do not ask me about Fukushima ever again. It is asking me to validate selective attention. I am not willing to engage in that discussion again, because I am a scientist, and because I care about the future and my contempt for such a conversation would be belied by engaging in such an absurd conversation.
Any money spent to make nuclear energy "safer" is wasted money, since there are literally thousands of far more risky and deadly activities on which the same amount of money could be spent saving millions of lives that are lost for inattention. Two billion people on this planet lack access to basic sanitation. Hundreds of thousands die of disease transmitted by fecal waste. Which would save more lives, 20 billion dollars making nuclear energy "safer" or 20 billion dollars installing septic systems for those lacking them?
Nuclear energy need not be perfect, it need not be without risk, it need not address the ersatz concerns of people who in fact know nothing about it, to be vastly superior to everything else. It only needs to be vastly superior to everything else, which it is.
Have a nice day tomorrow.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,468 posts)But-
Fukishima and
Decentralized energy systems,
NNadir
(33,516 posts)We live in times where we are expected to believe that facts are irrelevant.
History will not forgive us, nor should it.