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soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
Wed Jan 27, 2021, 07:03 PM Jan 2021

If you touch two CLEAN blocks of the same metal together in space, they weld!


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Sophia Gad-Nasr
@Astropartigirl
If you touch two CLEAN blocks of the same metal together in space, they weld!
Atoms in solid metals move a bit. Touch two clean surfaces together, and the atoms can't tell they're in different blocks so they become one group of atoms, ie ONE SOLID.


Sophia Gad-Nasr
@Astropartigirl
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Jul 10, 2020
Replying to @Astropartigirl
The reason it doesn't happen on Earth when you put two of the same metals together is because of oxygen, which causes metal to rust. That oxide layer sits the two metal surfaces, so atoms in each block see a layer of different atoms, and know that's their "limit" for movement.

Sophia Gad-Nasr
@Astropartigirl
If you're wondering if this has affected space missions, it has! The Galileo space probe sent to Jupiter couldn't deploy its high gain antenna on the way to Jupiter because the metal rods that were to open up the "umbrella" got cold welded together!
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If you touch two CLEAN blocks of the same metal together in space, they weld! (Original Post) soothsayer Jan 2021 OP
Wow, Incredibly interesting!!! It certainly makes sense. n/t RKP5637 Jan 2021 #1
Fascinating! K&R and thanks. nt tblue37 Jan 2021 #2
This is SOOO cool!! secondwind Jan 2021 #3
Interesting Bayard Jan 2021 #4
I believe they stay bonded soothsayer Jan 2021 #8
stunningly you could assemble parts as a single component with no welding and no machining. bullimiami Jan 2021 #11
Chemistry Jazz Jon Jan 2021 #5
Wouldn't it also work in a vacuum chamber central scrutinizer Jan 2021 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Jazz Jon Jan 2021 #6
So glad Science is legal again SCantiGOP Jan 2021 #7
Well that changes things. brush Jan 2021 #9
This is the Kirchendall effect, which has been something of a joke in my family. NNadir Jan 2021 #10

Bayard

(29,693 posts)
4. Interesting
Wed Jan 27, 2021, 07:25 PM
Jan 2021

There should be some practical use for this. I'm guessing they let loose again back in an oxygen atmosphere.

bullimiami

(14,075 posts)
11. stunningly you could assemble parts as a single component with no welding and no machining.
Wed Jan 27, 2021, 08:12 PM
Jan 2021

premake all the parts. assemble in space. maybe a tad expensive just now.

Jazz Jon

(159 posts)
5. Chemistry
Wed Jan 27, 2021, 07:31 PM
Jan 2021

The metal atoms in a solid block make chemical bonds with each other, which hold them together in a block. On earth two separate blocks would be spaced apart by gas (atomosphere) or oxidized metal in between. This spaces the blocks too far apart for the bonds to form. The pure metals don't bond with intervening materials either because the chemical properties are wrong (the wrong number of electrons in the atoms outer shells). Replace the interfering materials with emptiness ( outer space), and the metal atoms will do what they do... bond.

central scrutinizer

(12,654 posts)
12. Wouldn't it also work in a vacuum chamber
Wed Jan 27, 2021, 08:30 PM
Jan 2021

Here on Earth? Maybe an artificial vacuum chamber still has enough molecules of gases to interfere with the welding?

Response to soothsayer (Original post)

NNadir

(38,049 posts)
10. This is the Kirchendall effect, which has been something of a joke in my family.
Wed Jan 27, 2021, 08:02 PM
Jan 2021

I made fun of my son when he was an undergraduate materials science student. when I asked him if he knew about it, and he didn't, whereupon I made fun of him for not being as smart as his father. (In reality, he's way, way, way smarter than I am.) It was before he had a course in metallurgy.

His graduate work is in a metallurgical lab, so he's getting revenge on me.

It's not a new discovery. It was discovered in 1947.

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