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soothsayer

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Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:06 AM Feb 2021

New quantum theory suggests cause and effect might be cyclical


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New quantum theory suggests cause and effect might be cyclical - Universe Today https://universetoday.com/150112/quantum-theory-proposes-that-cause-and-effect-can-go-in-loops/… by @AndyTomaswick

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Causality is one of those difficult scientific topics that can easily stray into the realm of philosophy. Science’s relationship with the concept started out simply enough: an event causes another event later in time. That had been the standard understanding of the scientific community up until quantum mechanics was introduced. Then, with the introduction of the famous “spooky action at a distance” that is a side effect of the concept of quantum entanglement, scientists began to question that simple interpretation of causality.

Now, researchers at the Université Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) and the University of Oxford have come up with a theory that further challenges that standard view of causality as a linear progress from cause to effect. In their new theoretical structure, cause and effect can sometimes take place in cycles, with the effect actually causing the cause.

The quantum realm itself as it is currently understood is inherently messy. There is no true understanding of things at that scale, which can be thought of better as a good set of mathematical probabilities rather than actualities. These probabilities do not exactly lend themselves well to the idea of a definite cause and effect interaction between events either....

If this isn’t all confusing enough, there are some extremely difficult to conceive of implications of this model (and to be clear, from a macro level, it is just a model). One important facet is that this finding has little to no relevance to every day cause and effect. The causes and effects that would be cyclical in this framework “are not local in spacetime”, according to the press release from ULB, so they are unlikely to have any impact on day to day life.
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New quantum theory suggests cause and effect might be cyclical (Original Post) soothsayer Feb 2021 OP
So we are effected though by the energy of cause? Bluethroughu Feb 2021 #1
quantum discoveries mopinko Feb 2021 #2
I'm more open to the "it's all just a computer simulation" hypothesis the more I read about Quantum Ron Obvious Feb 2021 #10
yeah, fluid dynamics used to be my favorite field of physics. mopinko Feb 2021 #11
sounds loopy GeorgeGist Feb 2021 #3
Ha soothsayer Feb 2021 #4
So, a self-propelling science phenomena? Baitball Blogger Feb 2021 #5
Obligatory BadgerKid Feb 2021 #6
Brilliant. Duppers Feb 2021 #9
So Trump's incitement didn't cause the riot, the riot (maybe) caused Trump's incitement? Midnight Writer Feb 2021 #7
Ha soothsayer Feb 2021 #8

Bluethroughu

(5,095 posts)
1. So we are effected though by the energy of cause?
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:24 AM
Feb 2021

What might be cyclical, is causing much good could effect the bad in the universe...sounds good to me.

You do good things without expecting something from it.

mopinko

(69,803 posts)
2. quantum discoveries
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:30 AM
Feb 2021

are making me think that science actually does allow for a lot of things that i used to consider 'supernatural'.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
10. I'm more open to the "it's all just a computer simulation" hypothesis the more I read about Quantum
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 05:34 PM
Feb 2021

After all, I think we can imagine computers powerful enough to create that now or in the near future. And if that's possible, there could be essentially an infinite number of such simulations, while there would be only one real universe.

But who knows? Certainly not me. Fascinating stuff, though

mopinko

(69,803 posts)
11. yeah, fluid dynamics used to be my favorite field of physics.
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 05:43 PM
Feb 2021

but this quantum stuff....
it does pretty much make intuitive sense to me, as someone whose da taught stuff about physics while still knee high. fun shit.

tho i will say, fluid dynamics is a lot more practical, esp if you are a farmer.

BadgerKid

(4,541 posts)
6. Obligatory
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 02:43 PM
Feb 2021

People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually, from a nonlinear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff. --The Doctor

Duppers

(28,094 posts)
9. Brilliant.
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 05:28 PM
Feb 2021

Asked my hubs a few wks ago if time is nonlinear. He said it all depends on the curvature tensor but we don't know what it is. (I'm just a dodo, he's the physicist.)

Midnight Writer

(21,540 posts)
7. So Trump's incitement didn't cause the riot, the riot (maybe) caused Trump's incitement?
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 04:50 PM
Feb 2021

Do Trump's lawyers know this? Because it would be the most rational argument I've heard from them so far.

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