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Related: About this forumPrimate ancestor of all humans likely roamed with the dinosaurs
By Patrick Pester - Staff Writer 3 hours ago
Our ancient ancestors looked like squirrels.
A reconstruction of the newly described primate species, Purgatorius mckeeveri, which is thought to be one of the earliest known primates. (Image credit: Andrey Atuchin)
Scientists have identified the earliest primate fossils: tiny ancient teeth from a rat-size creature that suggest our ancient ancestors once lived alongside the dinosaurs.
The teeth are 0.08 inches (2 millimeters) long and are from the oldest group of primates, known as plesiadapiforms. They were found in the Fort Union Formation in northeastern Montana in the 1980s, but have now been formally identified in a new study, published Feb. 24 in the journal Royal Society Open Science.
These early primates represent life beginning to recover after the giant asteroid slammed into Earth at the end of the Cretaceous period about 66 million years ago, causing a mass extinction that wiped out nonavian dinosaurs. The researchers dated the fossils to between 105,000 and 139,000 years after the extinction event; but these creatures likely evolved from an unknown ancestor primate that lived alongside the dinosaurs, the researchers said.
"It's our lineage, so it has a special meaning to us. And to think about, you know, our earliest ancestors at this time in northeastern Montana living alongside dinosaurs perhaps and then surviving this [extinction] event is pretty breathtaking to me," co-lead author Gregory Wilson Mantilla, a professor in the Department of Biology at the University of Washington and curator of vertebrate paleontology at the university's Burke Museum of Natural History and Culture, told Live Science.
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Botany
(70,447 posts)Fox News: Liberal Scientists think we came from Montana Squirrels.
Chainfire
(17,471 posts)I want to see the Mars lander find fossil remains, boy would that every throw a kink in the argument.
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)ancestors referred to as such. Sure enough, none of the sources I viewed when searching
for a definition to "primate" mentioned rat-sized mammalian ancestors. The typical hit
read: "Examples of primates are monkeys, gibbons, gorillas, and, according to evolutionary theory, humans."* I'm not willing to pass this off as poetic license!
* https://carm.org/dictionary/primate/
cstanleytech
(26,236 posts)Random Boomer
(4,167 posts)If you're searching on "primate" only, then you'll get the most hits for contemporary primates. Try "ancient primate" or "early primate" instead.
This result popped up for me immediately:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/five-early-primates-you-should-know-102122862/
muriel_volestrangler
(101,268 posts)SCIENTIFIC NAME: Microcebus
TYPE: Mammals
DIET: Omnivore
SIZE: Head and body: 2.25 to 4.75 inches; tail: 4.75 inches
WEIGHT: 1 to 4 ounces
There are more than 20 species of mouse lemurs, and several have been identified only in recent years. This is a rarity in primate research, and illustrates just how much remains to be known about these fascinating animals.
Like all lemurs, mouse lemurs inhabit the island of Madagascar off the east coast of Africa.
The pygmy mouse lemur is the smallest primate in the world. Its head and body are less than two and a half inches long, though its tail is a bit more than twice that length. These threatened nocturnal lemurs live in the dry forests of western Madagascar and rarely leave the forests' trees. Little is known of these rare primates.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/mammals/facts/mouse-lemurs
"CARM" - the "Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry" - is not the best place on the web for scientific facts; " CARM rejects macroevolution but has defined it according to present evolutionary theory."
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)accept that some mammals were the ancestors of primates. I couldn't read all the info at the link you provided since I kept getting a registration pop-up.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,268 posts)and I'm pointing out there's nothing unusual about a primate being as small as a rat or mouse - they exist today.
I hope you've taken on board that carm.org is not a scientific resource, but a fundamentalist religious one. That's probably the most important thing.
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)same thing when I did a search for "primate". So give it a rest and have a good day!
muriel_volestrangler
(101,268 posts)It just about facts, such as lemurs being primates (which any decent source would tell you - eg Wikipedia, in its first paragraphs), and there being small lemurs. There's nothing for you to have an opinion about.
BootinUp
(47,080 posts)Just thinking about what it was like for tiny my ancient primate ancestors.