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Judi Lynn

(160,450 posts)
Thu Mar 4, 2021, 05:23 PM Mar 2021

Primate ancestor of all humans likely roamed with the dinosaurs

By Patrick Pester - Staff Writer 3 hours ago

Our ancient ancestors looked like squirrels.



A reconstruction of the newly described primate species, Purgatorius mckeeveri, which is thought to be one of the earliest known primates. (Image credit: Andrey Atuchin)


Scientists have identified the earliest primate fossils: tiny ancient teeth from a rat-size creature that suggest our ancient ancestors once lived alongside the dinosaurs.

The teeth are 0.08 inches (2 millimeters) long and are from the oldest group of primates, known as plesiadapiforms. They were found in the Fort Union Formation in northeastern Montana in the 1980s, but have now been formally identified in a new study, published Feb. 24 in the journal Royal Society Open Science.

These early primates represent life beginning to recover after the giant asteroid slammed into Earth at the end of the Cretaceous period about 66 million years ago, causing a mass extinction that wiped out nonavian dinosaurs. The researchers dated the fossils to between 105,000 and 139,000 years after the extinction event; but these creatures likely evolved from an unknown ancestor primate that lived alongside the dinosaurs, the researchers said.

"It's our lineage, so it has a special meaning to us. And to think about, you know, our earliest ancestors at this time in northeastern Montana living alongside dinosaurs perhaps and then surviving this [extinction] event is pretty breathtaking to me," co-lead author Gregory Wilson Mantilla, a professor in the Department of Biology at the University of Washington and curator of vertebrate paleontology at the university's Burke Museum of Natural History and Culture, told Live Science.

More:
https://www.livescience.com/earliest-primate-fossil-discovered.html?utm_source=notification

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Botany

(70,447 posts)
1. Does it look more like Kushner or Stephen Miller?
Thu Mar 4, 2021, 05:29 PM
Mar 2021

Fox News: Liberal Scientists think we came from Montana Squirrels.

Chainfire

(17,471 posts)
2. It is better to be descended from monkeys or squirrels?
Thu Mar 4, 2021, 06:45 PM
Mar 2021

I want to see the Mars lander find fossil remains, boy would that every throw a kink in the argument.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
3. I had to go look up the word "primate" since I've never heard rat-sized mammalian
Thu Mar 4, 2021, 07:12 PM
Mar 2021

ancestors referred to as such. Sure enough, none of the sources I viewed when searching
for a definition to "primate" mentioned rat-sized mammalian ancestors. The typical hit
read: "Examples of primates are monkeys, gibbons, gorillas, and, according to evolutionary theory, humans."* I'm not willing to pass this off as poetic license!

* https://carm.org/dictionary/primate/

Random Boomer

(4,167 posts)
5. You need better Google-fu
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 01:12 PM
Mar 2021

If you're searching on "primate" only, then you'll get the most hits for contemporary primates. Try "ancient primate" or "early primate" instead.

This result popped up for me immediately:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/five-early-primates-you-should-know-102122862/

muriel_volestrangler

(101,268 posts)
6. Smallest living primate: pygmy mouse lemur, head and body 2 and a half inches long
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 09:45 AM
Mar 2021
COMMON NAME: Mouse Lemurs
SCIENTIFIC NAME: Microcebus
TYPE: Mammals
DIET: Omnivore
SIZE: Head and body: 2.25 to 4.75 inches; tail: 4.75 inches
WEIGHT: 1 to 4 ounces

There are more than 20 species of mouse lemurs, and several have been identified only in recent years. This is a rarity in primate research, and illustrates just how much remains to be known about these fascinating animals.

Like all lemurs, mouse lemurs inhabit the island of Madagascar off the east coast of Africa.

The pygmy mouse lemur is the smallest primate in the world. Its head and body are less than two and a half inches long, though its tail is a bit more than twice that length. These threatened nocturnal lemurs live in the dry forests of western Madagascar and rarely leave the forests' trees. Little is known of these rare primates.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/mammals/facts/mouse-lemurs

"CARM" - the "Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry" - is not the best place on the web for scientific facts; " CARM rejects macroevolution but has defined it according to present evolutionary theory."

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
7. I'm still not willing to accept that all mammals are correctly identified as primates. I will
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 11:28 AM
Mar 2021

accept that some mammals were the ancestors of primates. I couldn't read all the info at the link you provided since I kept getting a registration pop-up.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,268 posts)
8. It doesn't say "all mammals are primates". It says this particular species was a primate
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 12:48 PM
Mar 2021

and I'm pointing out there's nothing unusual about a primate being as small as a rat or mouse - they exist today.

I hope you've taken on board that carm.org is not a scientific resource, but a fundamentalist religious one. That's probably the most important thing.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
9. I'm not persuaded. As far as carm.org, it was one of a whole list of sources that all said the
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 02:55 PM
Mar 2021

same thing when I did a search for "primate". So give it a rest and have a good day!

muriel_volestrangler

(101,268 posts)
10. Not sure what you think you need to be "persuaded" about
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 03:44 PM
Mar 2021

It just about facts, such as lemurs being primates (which any decent source would tell you - eg Wikipedia, in its first paragraphs), and there being small lemurs. There's nothing for you to have an opinion about.

BootinUp

(47,080 posts)
11. Monsters everywhere! Eeek!
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 11:54 PM
Mar 2021

Just thinking about what it was like for tiny my ancient primate ancestors.

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