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AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 02:48 PM Sep 2014

Noah's ark

Inquiry, and not meant as meta.

How many of you missed the genocide aspect of the biblical tale of Noah's Ark? (assuming you read it)
Can you imagine anyone reading that story, and missing the implication of drowning everyone except one little family?

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Noah's ark (Original Post) AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 OP
He/she works in mysterious ways, I suppose. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #1
It is based on other myths AlbertCat Sep 2014 #15
It is just one in a series of holy genocides in the bible. Exultant Democracy Sep 2014 #2
god's will. ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2014 #3
I could never wrap my mind around how Rainforestgoddess Sep 2014 #4
My relatives don't think it's just a metaphor FiveGoodMen Sep 2014 #6
moses is pretty horrifying as well Lordquinton Sep 2014 #5
ZOMG! I can't believe you ran to the clubhouse to ask this! trotsky Sep 2014 #7
Careful. I don't want to vindicate that claim after the fact. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #8
The bottom line is, it's a myth when the believer or defender says it's a myth. trotsky Sep 2014 #14
a nice flow chart LostOne4Ever Sep 2014 #17
Maimonides staked out: literal for idiots, incomprehensible mystery for the perplexed. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #20
Yep, we have our very own stalkers. onager Sep 2014 #9
Wow. Just Wow! Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #19
Missed it? How can you miss it? Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #10
Nope. temporary311 Sep 2014 #11
But at least this story can be made into a cute cartoon about animals LostOne4Ever Sep 2014 #18
Can you imagine anyone missing the implication of drowning everyone except one little family? yortsed snacilbuper Sep 2014 #12
A ride... through the plagues of Egypt.... WHAT FUN AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #13
Letter IV LostOne4Ever Sep 2014 #16
I think Noah's story is one reason christians hate gays so much. OriginalGeek Sep 2014 #21
when I was a kid.. Heather MC Sep 2014 #22
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. He/she works in mysterious ways, I suppose.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 03:16 PM
Sep 2014

I never missed the implication, that a cleansing was coming and most of the folks didn't get the memo.

Flood mythology is fascinating to me, said to be among those common to many cultures and one can't help but wonder if the Noah story was based on other cultures' tales, and if these were based on an actual event, like the "Black Sea Deluge".

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/blacksea/

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
15. It is based on other myths
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 02:41 PM
Sep 2014

Everything in the Bible is...practically. It's a most unoriginal anthology.

Besides, early on most cities and civilizations sprang up around rivers, they being natural highways. So, let's see.... We need a big disaster people will understand... What could we use? I know! A flood!


Thus a flood disaster endeth up in many a mythology.

Rainforestgoddess

(436 posts)
4. I could never wrap my mind around how
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 04:49 PM
Sep 2014

It was okay for god to kill little babies to "start fresh" but it's just a metaphor, not meant to be taken seriously..... :-P

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
6. My relatives don't think it's just a metaphor
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 05:27 PM
Sep 2014

They watched that stupid show about "finding" it a number of years ago with great anticipation.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
5. moses is pretty horrifying as well
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 05:16 PM
Sep 2014

Especially when you take into account god mid controlling the Pharoah to act the way he was.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
7. ZOMG! I can't believe you ran to the clubhouse to ask this!
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 07:59 PM
Sep 2014

I'd say that I also can't believe someone is so obsessed with this group that they monitor it LIKE A HAWK to report on its activities elsewhere, but I know that happens, so meh.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
8. Careful. I don't want to vindicate that claim after the fact.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 08:25 PM
Sep 2014

This is a meta free zone. Genuine question to see if anyone missed the genocide proposition of the myth.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
14. The bottom line is, it's a myth when the believer or defender says it's a myth.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:32 AM
Sep 2014

And truth when they say it's truth. Regardless of the believer or the story.

(FYI, they'll say it's a myth or allegorical whenever they are uncomfortable with the story and/or its repercussions.)

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
20. Maimonides staked out: literal for idiots, incomprehensible mystery for the perplexed.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:38 PM
Sep 2014

None of it was understandable as written, nor fully comprehensible as metaphor, because god. God on the other hand, being unity, couldn't really be described other than by what god wasn't. Jewish scholars puzzled over that mess for centuries, until Spinoza, who they could at least comprehend enough to expel.

onager

(9,356 posts)
9. Yep, we have our very own stalkers.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 08:26 PM
Sep 2014

And they're so cute!

Almost as cute as the Bad Atheist Dance Team over there. Moving across the ideological dance floor with all the grace, charm and subtlety of Fred and Ginger.

Fred Thompson and Ginger Baker.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
19. Wow. Just Wow!
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:33 PM
Sep 2014

I am so upset about this I may never post in the HRM Interfaith Yachting Forum again.

Just Wow.

Plus I always though the story of Noah was really about how we all get to go out for Ice Cream on summer weekend nights.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
10. Missed it? How can you miss it?
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 08:40 PM
Sep 2014

In fact, I saw it as much worse than any genocide that has happened since. It wasn't even "speciecide" since it wasn't just the humans. It was probably one of the first stories that I heard as a child, and the first one that, on further inspection, was the worst.

temporary311

(955 posts)
11. Nope.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 09:57 PM
Sep 2014

Always found it repugnant. There was another from Sunday school that was rather horrific, too. The one with the bald dude who, when some kids make fun of his chrome dome, gets god to have some bears eat the kids. Like, wtf?

LostOne4Ever

(9,288 posts)
16. Letter IV
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:26 PM
Sep 2014

...

Nothing could be more characteristic of him. He created all those infamous people, and he alone was responsible for their conduct. Not one of them deserved death, yet it was certainly good policy to extinguish them; especially since in creating them the master crime had already been committed, and to allow them to go on procreating would be a distinct addition to the crime. But at the same time there could be no justice, no fairness, in any favoritism -- all should be drowned or none.

No, he would not have it so; he would save half a dozen and try the race over again. He was not able to foresee that it would go rotten again, for he is only the Far-Sighted One in his advertisements


...

Letter V

...

Then at last, Noah sailed; and none too soon, for the Ark was only just sinking out of sight on the horizon when the monsters arrived, and added their lamentations to those of the multitude of weeping fathers and mothers and frightened little children who were clinging to the wave-washed rocks in the pouring rain and lifting imploring prayers to an All-Just and All-Forgiving and All-Pitying Being who had never answered a prayer since those crags were builded, grain by grain, out of the sands, and would still not have answered one when the ages should have crumbled them to sand again.


...

Letter VI

On the third day, about noon, it was found that a fly and been left behind. The return voyage turned out to be long and difficult, on account of the lack of chart and compass, and because of the changed aspects of all coasts, the steadily rising water having submerged some of the lower landmarks and given to higher ones an unfamiliar look; but after sixteen days of earnest and faithful seeking, the fly was found at last, and received on board with hymns of praise and gratitude, the Family standing meanwhile uncovered, our of reverence for its divine origin. It was weary and worn, and had suffered somewhat from the weather, but was otherwise in good estate. Men and their families had died of hunger on barren mountain tops, but it had not lacked for food, the multitudinous corpses furnishing it in rank and rotten richness. Thus was the sacred bird providentially preserved.

Providentially. That is the word. For the fly had not been left behind by accident. No, the hand of Providence was in it. There are no accidents. All things that happen, happen for a purpose. They are foreseen from the beginning of time, they are ordained from the beginning of time. From the dawn of Creation the Lord had foreseen that Noah, being alarmed and confused by the invasion of the prodigious brevet fossils, would prematurely fly to sea unprovided with a certain invaluable disease. He would have all the other diseases, and could distribute them among the new races of men as they appeared in the world, but he would lack one of the very best -- typhoid fever; a malady which, when the circumstances are especially favorable, is able to utterly wreck a patient without killing him; for it can restore him to his feet with a long life in him, and yet deaf, dumb, blind, crippled, and idiotic. The housefly is its main disseminator, and is more competent and more calamitously effective than all the other distributors of the dreaded scourge put together. And so, by foreordination from the beginning of time, this fly was left behind to seek out a typhoid corpse and feed upon its corruptions and gaum its legs with germs and transmit them to the re-peopled world for permanent business. From that one housefly, in the ages that have since elapsed, billions of sickbeds have been stocked, billions of wrecked bodies sent tottering about the earth, and billions of cemeteries recruited with the dead.


-Letters from the Earth by Mark Twain.

Samuel Clemens explained it way better than I could ever hope to explain it.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
21. I think Noah's story is one reason christians hate gays so much.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:31 PM
Sep 2014

Gays stole rainbows from them. Rainbows were god's promise that he wouldn't flood the world again* and the gays are using it for their own nefarious purpose.



*Side note: he's not doing a very good job of keeping his promise with the global warming and such.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
22. when I was a kid..
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 12:09 PM
Sep 2014

The story was taught as if Noah went door to door trying to save people. And they mocked him until rain came and "swept them all away"

So I believed the people died by their own choice.
I never gave it any thought again until recently.

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