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mr blur

(7,753 posts)
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 11:35 AM Sep 2014

The phantom menace of militant atheism

My family went into central London last week. After they'd gone, I found myself checking the web for reports of bomb blasts. Absurd and paranoid of me, of course. Rationally, I know that a motorist is more likely to kill you than a terrorist. Ever since Iraq, I have also known that the intelligence services' "threats" can be imaginary. But I know this, too, and so does everyone else: if a bomb explodes, no one will think that a "militant atheist" has attacked his or her country. No one will mutter: "I wonder if someone has taken this god delusion argument too far." Or: "Atheists should have known that violent words lead to violent deeds."

The police don't send undercover agents into sceptic societies and parliament doesn't pass emergency laws to combat atheist violence. Fanatics threaten European Muslims if they abandon their faith but no atheist will attack them if they keep it. No one thinks that atheists threaten the lives of their fellow citizens anywhere in the west.

And yet across what passes for the intelligentsia, moral equivalence holds sway. There is militant religion on one side and militant atheism on the other. We've no obligation to make a choice between them. Indeed, we should devote our energies to attacking atheism rather than religion. You'd never guess it from the way believers and conventional intellectuals throw the term around, but "militant atheism" has a specific meaning. Marxist-Leninists, who persecuted all faiths whenever they assumed dictatorial power, were authentic militants. If you want to see militant atheism today, look at China, which sends supporters of Falun Gong to its black jails and bulldozes Catholic churches.

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An interesting piece which makes some points we'll all recognise.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/07/militant-atheism-religious-apologists-intellectuals
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The phantom menace of militant atheism (Original Post) mr blur Sep 2014 OP
Until atheist start blowing up things, or picketing funerals calling us militant is absurd. Exultant Democracy Sep 2014 #1
Bullies hate to be called on their behavior Warpy Sep 2014 #2
^^^This^^^ PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #3
Excellent. Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #4
Indeed, we should devote our energies to attacking atheism rather than religion. Cartoonist Sep 2014 #5
The author is giving an example of the general ideology Rainforestgoddess Sep 2014 #6
Both sides do it! They're the same! Dawkins is no different than a rabid fundamentalist! trotsky Sep 2014 #7
That must be the origins of this comic. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #8

Exultant Democracy

(6,597 posts)
1. Until atheist start blowing up things, or picketing funerals calling us militant is absurd.
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 11:48 AM
Sep 2014

Last edited Sun Sep 7, 2014, 02:15 PM - Edit history (1)

Warpy

(114,616 posts)
2. Bullies hate to be called on their behavior
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 02:13 PM
Sep 2014

and will always claim to be the victim when they are.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
4. Excellent.
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 08:33 PM
Sep 2014

I am glad that you posted this here, but I do think that it deserves a post in Religion. This is nothing new to us, but there are people who maybe should think about this elsewhere.

Cartoonist

(7,579 posts)
5. Indeed, we should devote our energies to attacking atheism rather than religion.
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 12:58 AM
Sep 2014

Wha? Religion is responsible for more death and oppression than atheism could ever hope for, and it doesn't.

The writer makes the mistake of calling Marxist-Leninists and the Chinese government militant atheists. Their policies were more politically based than religious based.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
7. Both sides do it! They're the same! Dawkins is no different than a rabid fundamentalist!
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 10:13 AM
Sep 2014

Uh huh.

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