Atheists & Agnostics
Related: About this forumI almost died last week.
Had some acute inflammation attacks and infections which led me to a deaths low bp. It is lucky that I managed to pull through with every source of strength at my disposal. At some points I was so much in pain that I begged the doctor, my family, and anyone who would listen to kill me. Only reason I'm still alive is that no one had the means not heart to kill me. I Wanted. To. Die I would have chosen it in a minute.
The first er doctor I encountered was so sure I was gonna bite it that he told the nurses to just give me whatever pain meds I wanted, to make my final times comfortable. Lucky for me,, the nurses didn't listen.
Two weeks ago was on deaths door, tomorrow I'm getting out of the hospital. All my nurses and doctors consider my amazingly fast recovery as almost miraculous. Physio lady told me she was awed at my strength. Dunno... Don't feel to strong but I want to get out of her asap.
Chemo and cancer suck man.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,061 posts)I hope that your chemotherapy is successful, your pain diminishes and your cancer goes into remission because there are people that care about you--particularly your family. Hopefully you will be discharged soon.
I've never interacted with you before so I don't know whether you are an atheist or an agnostic, but if it is the latter then maybe you should consider your recovery as divine intervention (no intention to insult or demean your personal beliefs). I don't know if I can offer much other comfort, but about five months ago I attempted to take my own life so I wanted to reach out to you and encourage you to keep up the fight. One thing that I learned about DU is that there is always somewhere out there to offer support 24/7.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)we live, we suffer, we find joy where we can, we die. There is no grand scheme, there is only this, here, now, what we experience, all of it. Angels did not reach out and save evoman, he pulled through a crisis and survived. Chemo and cancer suck, and all of us who have experienced either know just how bad that can be. If the divine plan is to inflict horrendous suffering on us and then let *some* of us survive, what the heck sort of plan is that?
enki23
(7,787 posts)Don't be a vulture for Jesus. Just don't. Life and death are hard enough.
Exultant Democracy
(6,594 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,061 posts)I apologize for mentioning a topic that I should have avoided.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)You do realize what group you are in, right?
TexasTowelie
(112,061 posts)Yes, I realized what group I was in. I was trying to provide some support because I know what it is like to wish for death to come. The OP was made in the wee hours of morning when hardly anyone is online from someone who clearly wanted some attention; otherwise, he wouldn't have made that post.
As I said in my earlier post, I don't know whether Evoman is or isn't an agnostic. However, going through an ordeal like he has (and like I have) does provide the opportunity to consider the question I posed. Whether he wants to take that advice (even if you consider it bad advice) is up to him.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)I'm saying this as gently as I know how. Providing support isn't the same thing as being disrespectful. I assume Evoman posted this here, in this group because he knows he will find like-minded people here. I think you aren't aware of the disrespect, but there it is. I am glad you found something to help you move beyond your despair, but please don't proselytize here.
TexasTowelie
(112,061 posts)I didn't mean to be disrespectful bringing up the topic of divine intervention, but Evoman mentioned having a "miraculous" recovery. I hope that Evoman recovers and can leave the hospital soon.
My understanding was that being agnostic means that there is a question of whether God exists and that he consider and evaluate his thoughts in light of the ordeal that has happened. However, I'll stay out of this group in the future since I've offended the sensibilities of others which was not my intention.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)However, I just don't understand this "divine intervention" thinking. If there is a supernatural being powerful enough to interfere and pluck Evoman from death's door, then why wouldn't it just prevent his cancer in the first place?
An airplane crashes and the lone survivor thanks God. Yeah, well, too bad for those other schmucks who died; I guess they just weren't special enough in the eyes of the Lord, huh? ... It's like the Wolf Blitzer interview with the woman whose entire town was destroyed: "Are you thanking God right now?" Uh, yeah, Wolf, what a great Divinity we have. He only wiped out SOME people and only destroyed the lives of others.
Seriously, this line of thinking is so common and it drives me batty.
TexasTowelie
(112,061 posts)I'm not entirely certain about how I feel about surviving my earlier attempt. There are some days that everything seems okay, other days where I feel empty or lonely, and then today I had another argument with my brother that pushes the buttons that are my triggers because I feel unwanted and being a burden on my family.
I wish that I could give logical responses to the questions that you raised, but they are beyond my capabilities so I won't make any attempt to do so.
I saw Evoman's OP and felt that he needed some acknowledgment of his ordeal so I responded. It was my mistake to mention the subject of divine intervention in this forum, but Evoman brought up the subject of a miraculous recovery. Wouldn't a miracle fall into the realm of divine intervention?
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)But people throw the term "miraculous" around loosely, so maybe some of the hospital staff using the term did and some did not.
In any case, I hope you hang in there and can find happiness. You are not a burden to your family and I am sure they would be devastated were you to leave them!
I don't mean to be holier-than-thou (pun intended) about the concept of divine intervention but for some reason it bugs me a lot (I think because it is so common and to me it is just a give-god-a-pass-on-everything kind of way of thinking). But, hey, it's a discussion board, soooooo ... we discuss stuff.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I've wanted to check out before and have the scars to prove it so I understand.
Same goes for you, if you need to talk I will listen.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)but I am glad that you did not succeed in taking your life. Don't allow yourself to fall that low again....because we all have value. Stay away from anyone who doesn't let your value shine through.
I am also sorry you took some heat here, because I can see that your intentions were noble.....you really cared. That matters.
BTW, I think that Evoman's comment about the nurses and doctors thinking that his recovery was "miraculous" was tongue in cheek, because he knows that it was his strength or willpower that got him through. But I know you meant well.
Evoman
(8,040 posts)Emotional pain can be just as bad as physical pain. I get it. I feel a lot of guilt for traumatizing my wife and family. I begged them to kill me. The pain was so overwhelming I order them to kill me. If my wife had a means to kill me she might have, but it would have killed her to and that's something I find it had for me to forgive myself for.
Fortunately, I don't really want to die because I do love life... It's just impossible to love it when you are bent over puking because the pain of cramps is so egregious.
Though I'm no religious, not do I think there is a reason for my pain besides "life can suck", I wish you nothing but the best in dealing with your own pain.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)I am glad you got through it.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Sorry it's so hard.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)So glad you're still with us.
DFW
(54,326 posts)Her treatment, with operations, chemo, radiation, etc. went on for about ten months, and she looked weird for about 18 months after that while her body was slowly getting rid of the chemo. That shit lingers.
But she eventually pulled through, and is still with me. There IS light at the end of that tunnel, long though it may be.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)and i bet your loved ones are too. i'm sorry you're having to go through this. best wishes for a complete recovery.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)LeftishBrit
(41,205 posts)I am glad that you overcame it and are out of hospital. Best thoughts to you!!! I had been wondering how you were doing; and always have my fingers crossed for you.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)I DO understand. (pretty much) . I once had kidney stones that caused me to pass out 11 times in 4 hours.
The pain was so great I actually was going to go buy a gun....my friends stopped THAT shit.
Glad to hear you'll be with us.
Evoman
(8,040 posts)During my cancer times is as bad as that. The first time I had a kidney stone I remember begging the hospital staff to give me something, anything, for the pain and that it didn't matter if it hurt me in some way. I was even begging to the poor janitor who couldn't do anything but clean the towels lol.
They gave me two mg of dilaudid iv n and it was heaven. I couldn't believe how amazing relief could feel.
In contrast, when I went into the hospital the last time they were giving me 6 mg iv dilaudid HOURLY and I still hurt. They did giving it to me after my blood pressure plummeted and every breathe was a labor to squeeze out. I have no doubt in my mind that if I had fallen asleep, I would not be here today. It was the worst moments of my life and I'm sorry of afraid to see the trauma that might unfold because of it. I already see certain behaviors in my wife that show trauma and I feel so bad about it.
KrazyinKS
(291 posts)They put me one some clinical trail, starting in December of 98 to May of 99. I am still here. I was never in pain though. Just scared shitless. I know in May of 99 the tornado sirens were blasting and my daughter couldn't get me off the couch to go to the basement. The stuff zonks you out. But here I am feeling well enough to give my tea party buddies all kinds of hell. Give you something to strive for.
Granny M
(1,395 posts)Glad you made it out of there.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Chemo and cancer do indeed suck.
progressoid
(49,961 posts)(Sorry for that reference). Sounds horrible. Glad you made it through.
And, yes, chemo and cancer suck.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)And you've brought me many great times on DU. I thank you for that.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)But...yay!...it's over! Your "lust for life" is such a positive thing!
The only "religious" truth (really a philosophical truth) I can agree with comes from the Tao: "Things change." No matter how bad (or good) it is now....it will change "somehow" in the future. Knowing that the future will be different is a good reason to stick around.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Man am I sorry to hear what you've been through! Good thing you've got good fight in you! Looking forward to your future posts and tales of great strides in recovery.
We are here for you!
Julie
onager
(9,356 posts)Nothing to do with divine intervention. Everything to do with the amazing power of the human body. About which we might know a lot more, if we didn't have to put up with several thousand years of people saying "divine intervention - case closed."
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)It's awful you had to endure so much agony, but here you are. Well done, Evoman!
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Like I said, you should just bask in your awesomeness.
Evoman
(8,040 posts)My wife can't believe how I'm able to build such rapport so fast with people. That they picked me to pull off pranks on the other nurses is an honor lol. My doctors also have a lot of respect for me, which is nice, because I actually listen to what they say and ask important questions. As I left today, I had three nurses, one doctor and one physio person hug me good-bye. Feels good to gain the respect of these people.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)You definitely deserve their respect.
You've made these people feel good too!
And you've made us DUers smile, just knowing you're still around.
Let us know how your chemo is going and how you feel.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You keep fighting E-Man.
Exultant Democracy
(6,594 posts)Sounds like the pits, hope you start to feel stronger.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,294 posts)You know you have loads of friends here, many of whom can talk about trials in their lives, if you need someone to chat to. My best wishes to your family.
EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)It's really, really good to see you around.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I am glad that the nurses didn't listen to the doctor too. I hope you don't have this much trouble in the future. Stay strong.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Gelliebeans
(5,043 posts)I'm sure glad you didn't
Chemo does suck! I can really really empathize with you! When you are sick and in horrendous pain, you can run gamut of emotions.
If you ever need to talk please feel free to pm me.
Don't ever give up...please
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)take care of yourself.
Evoman
(8,040 posts)The reason I posted this here is precisely because I don't get the kind of religious hoopla I do in real life. People here can just say... Yeah man, that suvks without interpreting my experiences through a religious lens. That being said, it's remarkable how little I care when people do put religious nonsense on my plate. In my severe anti-theist days I would have made a huge racket as to how I was being treated and would never have the patience to just casually dismiss their rhetoric as no tell big deal. I would still rather not have fake confessions told about me after I die... But in the scheme of things, I just can't get worked up like I used to.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)beam me up scottie
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rexcat
(3,622 posts)and doing better.
I work in the pharmaceutical industry in clinical trials and used to work in oncology. You probably have taken several of the chemotherapy agents I work on. I wish those drugs did not have the nasty side-effects but considering their mechanisms of action there is not much that can be done other than trying to lessen their side-effects with other drugs. Cancer and chemotherapy does suck.
deucemagnet
(4,549 posts)and that we get to enjoy your company in the A&A forum. I can hardly imagine what you're going through, so I'll just leave it at that.
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)What doesn't kill you.....
Doesn't kill you!!!
Your attitude and strength of will BLOW ME AWAY!!!
Evoman
(8,040 posts)I've been wanting for the last couple of months.
Lo and behold I survive and now I'm in gaming heaven. Not only do I have a kickass PC, but I can also play a lot of the slick exclusives for the PS4.
I got home last night and have finally been able to catch up on at least some sleep although right now its 330 am and I'm wide awake. Can't quite get to bed. I think I went through quite a bit of trauma and I'm having some problems dealing with it. I'm sort of lethargic and constantly nodding off, but then the nightmares come and I wake up and don''t want to go back to bed.
Lucky I guess I have so many video games then!
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Keeping too busy on the PS4 to check in, I hope.
Evoman
(8,040 posts)I've been eating and drinking like a beast. Not only do I have about eight meals a day, I drink an Ensure\boost about 4 times a day. My family can barely contain enough food I'm going through it so fast. I've also been in gaming heaven... Enjoying myself immensely.
The only problem is that I'm supposed to have chemo this Friday. I've never looked chemo or looked forward to getting sick, but I've never had the mind blanking fear of it that I do know. For fucks sake it almost killed me! I don't remember very well the first four days in the hospital but I heard that I was puking blood, my bp was so low it almost killed me, and my breathing almost shut down.
So how am I supposed to just go to chemo like none of that happened? I'm scared man... When I think about it, I start shaking and crying. The trauma was way too much, and yet I'm supposed to carry on like I didn't almost die. I have no fucking clue what to do. I have an appointment with my oncologist tomorrow, so we will discuss what happens on Friday. I doubt he will wanna give me a break since the cancer progresses every time I do. I'm screwed no matter what I do...
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)I'm glad you're enjoying yourself in these short days between the terrors, and glad to know that for now you're okay. We worry about you.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)I hope your doing okay.
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)That sound like a horrible time.
I'm so sorry you are going through this.
(and enjoy your PS4 )
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)I had a life threatening illness back in 2011 in another state and another city. 8 days in ICU in another state and another city. I was panting violently, could hardly walk due to the exertion, and couldn't figure out why. I was in ketoacidosis which was another reason for the hyperventilating. I'd been losing weight from the diabetes and thought that was a good thing.
I had blood clots in my lungs & uncontrolled diabetes, (blood sugar over 600 and O2 saturation at 85%--not good) and that is quite scary. Meantime I am paying them off a few dollars a month. It will be in their best interest to keep me alive for another 100 years because at this rate, that's how long it will take to pay it off.
I remember the doctor standing at the foot of my bed in the ER after they had hooked me up to several IVs and saying, "You are moderately to critically ill". I had two illnesses and either one could or would have killed me in 24 hours.
I was not healed by god. I was healed by SMART doctors and nurses who were all scholars. One of my doctors was both a doctor and a pharmacist. Even the guys who came in and poured pee into buckets were nursing students working on their BSRN. I encouraged all of the students. Congratulated them on imminent graduation.
In turn, the nurses seemed to be impressed by my attitude and my husband's spending the night with me in the room. They thought we were both remarkable people. I told them "We're going to get through this."