Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Rob H.

(5,347 posts)
Tue May 26, 2015, 03:22 PM May 2015

"Cardinal: Abortion is bigger sin than priest abuse"

An excerpt follows. The full article is here.

Cardinal: Abortion is bigger sin than priest abuse
Advice for Cardinal Pell: When you’re talking about coverups of child rape, it’s best to stick with apologizing
MARY ELIZABETH WILLIAMS

...

But though Pell says he never directly covered up abuse and that he is “committed to working to make improvements,” Pell’s track record tells a different story. Twenty years ago, Pell appeared in court with his colleague Father Gerald Francis Ridsdale while Ridsdale was on trial for sexual abuse. Ridsdale was eventually convicted of molesting and raping 40 children over a 26-year period. At the inquiry this week, Cardinal Pell defended his support for Ridsdale, saying, “At that stage nobody knew — well, I certainly didn’t — what proved to be the full extent of his infamous career. I did know that there was a very significant number of charges but I had no idea about all the other things that would unfold.” During the same period, Pell continued to authorize payment of a “frugal” allowance to Father Ronald Pickering after Pickering fled to England in the wake of sex abuse allegations and refused to cooperate with authorities. It was Pell’s successor who stopped the payments and launched an investigation.

...

And although, when he spoke on Monday, Pell said, “I am fully apologetic and absolutely sorry,” his degree of not-getting-it is still pretty staggering. Pell insisted, “I don’t believe we have a moral obligation” to increase the settlement amounts for sex abuse victims. And in an epic case of poor timing, he railed against “25 years of hostility from the press” and noted that the Australian government “was not active earlier” in pursuing sexual abuse cases. He also, outrageously, declared, ”I’ve sometimes said, if we’d been gossips – which we weren’t – and we had talked to one another about the problems that were there we would have realised earlier just how widespread this awful business was.”

Here’s a hint: When you’re talking about systematic coverups of child rape, it’s best to stick with apologizing. It’s good to remember that you can admit you’ve made mistakes without making the ludicrous, easily refuted claim that you’ve always been on the side of the victims, or humble bragging that the real problem is that you weren’t “gossips.” Doing the morally and legally responsible thing of acting when someone is abusing children is not, by the way, “gossip.” And you want to consider, while you’re explaining yourself to the world, that you still have much soul searching yet to do. Because right now, Pell remains a harrowing example of the evil of complacency.

Perhaps the most telling moment of Pell’s appearance wasn’t anything he said about the crimes on his colleagues or the litigation of victims. Instead it was when, on Monday, the deputy chairman of the committee, Frank McGuire, asked Pell point-blank, “Were you guilty of willful blindness?” And the man of God answered him confidently, “I certainly wasn’t.”
24 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
"Cardinal: Abortion is bigger sin than priest abuse" (Original Post) Rob H. May 2015 OP
"He... noted that the Australian government 'was not active earlier'" trotsky May 2015 #1
This makes me stabby. Literally. Stabby. PeaceNikki May 2015 #2
Well, isn't that nice. progressoid May 2015 #3
This is exactly why NO religion belongs anywhere near government BrotherIvan May 2015 #4
Translation: "Our sins are completely rational and understandable. Yours are heinous." Warpy May 2015 #5
All pro-life (conforming) Catholics surely believe the same. He is just being honest whatthehey May 2015 #6
Priest abuse? You mean pedophillia? Baitball Blogger May 2015 #7
convicted of raping 40 children Warren Stupidity May 2015 #8
So to extrapolate,using birth control is worse Curmudgeoness May 2015 #14
Why am I shocked? It's a Catholic Cardinal, the exclusive men's club. mountain grammy May 2015 #9
This guy is one of the biggest shitstains in the RCC Major Nikon May 2015 #10
There are no words... DamnYankeeInHouston May 2015 #11
You know I had people Defend the Duggars using the 'You liberals abort babies' arguement LynneSin May 2015 #12
have another like Lordquinton May 2015 #20
A priest being the best reason you wouldn't subject someone to religion. Stinkin' pedophile. n/t jtuck004 May 2015 #13
Despicable, but entirely predictable truebrit71 May 2015 #15
well of course it is! RussBLib May 2015 #16
The vile and depraved love them some religion amuse bouche May 2015 #17
because all they have to do is ask forgiveness RussBLib May 2015 #18
It's a great scam amuse bouche May 2015 #19
I was raised Catholic. Act_of_Reparation May 2015 #21
I just learned in GD that I should withhold any disparaging remarks against the RCC as to not PeaceNikki May 2015 #22
I say fuck that noise. Act_of_Reparation May 2015 #23
FUCK THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. truebrit71 May 2015 #24

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
1. "He... noted that the Australian government 'was not active earlier'"
Tue May 26, 2015, 03:27 PM
May 2015

Wow.

'Shame on the government, they should have caught us sooner' is what that amounts to.

Jeebus.

progressoid

(49,915 posts)
3. Well, isn't that nice.
Tue May 26, 2015, 03:49 PM
May 2015

No, not nice. What's the phrase I'm looking for...?

Oh yeah, Fucking offensive and moronic.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
4. This is exactly why NO religion belongs anywhere near government
Tue May 26, 2015, 03:52 PM
May 2015

I don't care what the Pope said today, he needs to clean up his own house.

Warpy

(111,106 posts)
5. Translation: "Our sins are completely rational and understandable. Yours are heinous."
Tue May 26, 2015, 04:04 PM
May 2015

Why anybody still listens to any of the funny hat crowd in that church is utterly beyond me.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
6. All pro-life (conforming) Catholics surely believe the same. He is just being honest
Tue May 26, 2015, 04:23 PM
May 2015

IF you believe abortion kills a distinct human being and even a supposed soul, then it is murder, and surely murder is worse than sexual abuse in any jurisdiction or legal code.

Of course that's so much equine effluent, but it is the inescapable conclusion of equating the fetus with a fully personal, independent essence, which is the official teaching of the RCC, Catechism 2270-71.

Cafeteria Catholics may genuinely disagree with the official tenets of their faith, or pretend to to spare defending the indefensible, but that's pretty much verboten for clergy.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
8. convicted of raping 40 children
Tue May 26, 2015, 04:40 PM
May 2015

vs. terminating an unwanted pregnancy.

Oh and the RCC considers all forms of birth control equivalent to abortion.

mountain grammy

(26,594 posts)
9. Why am I shocked? It's a Catholic Cardinal, the exclusive men's club.
Tue May 26, 2015, 04:48 PM
May 2015

Women, you see, are always worse, no matter what these creepy child molesters do.

My first reaction to this post..

Major Nikon

(36,817 posts)
10. This guy is one of the biggest shitstains in the RCC
Tue May 26, 2015, 05:47 PM
May 2015

Here's a picture of him accompanying serial child rapist "Father" Ridsdale who raped children for decades while Pell's diocese covered it up.



This fucker has no idea what morality means. It wouldn't surprise me if he has his own sordid history of child molestation.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
12. You know I had people Defend the Duggars using the 'You liberals abort babies' arguement
Tue May 26, 2015, 06:05 PM
May 2015

I swear it's lamest reply to an arguement out there ever.

I replied back to one of them with 'That's the best you got?' and then went on about how it's disgusting any of these right-wing fundies call themselves 'Pro-life' when they could care less after the fetus is born since they would allow a child to starve, deny healthcare, education, housing and all that other stuff.

Person with the fetus argument - like 2 likes

Me - I got over 100 likes.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
20. have another like
Wed May 27, 2015, 03:21 PM
May 2015

The abortion argument is tough to go against, as they wrap it in privileged and probably the flag too. But this is the perfect counter to it

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
13. A priest being the best reason you wouldn't subject someone to religion. Stinkin' pedophile. n/t
Tue May 26, 2015, 06:22 PM
May 2015
 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
15. Despicable, but entirely predictable
Tue May 26, 2015, 09:15 PM
May 2015

... and there are some on this site that still defend that criminal enterprise with their thread-bare deflections....

RussBLib

(8,999 posts)
16. well of course it is!
Tue May 26, 2015, 09:43 PM
May 2015

Enabling a woman to take control of her reproductive system is FAR FAR worse than traumatizing an innocent child, perhaps for life, and then slinking away unmolested, so to speak.

That might work in Kansas, but we're not in Kansas anymore.

RussBLib

(8,999 posts)
18. because all they have to do is ask forgiveness
Tue May 26, 2015, 10:18 PM
May 2015

from the Lord, and of course, the Lord will forgive them, and so they are free to do it again. And again. And again. And the ignorant flock will believe that the Lord has forgiven them, and that's punishment enough. Ah men.

After all, the Lord is a much higher authority than any government.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
21. I was raised Catholic.
Wed May 27, 2015, 04:25 PM
May 2015

Nothing these men say surprises me in any way, shape, or form. Cardinal Pell's patronizing attitude is endemic to the culture of the cloth.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
22. I just learned in GD that I should withhold any disparaging remarks against the RCC as to not
Wed May 27, 2015, 09:32 PM
May 2015

Alienate catholic democrats. Cuz, you know, the average layman Catholic is OK with equality. Maybe. Sort of.

I mean, I know I'm influential and shit, but if I can turn an election by saying "fuck the RCC", I'm like Wonder Woman.

Fuck the RCC.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
23. I say fuck that noise.
Wed May 27, 2015, 10:34 PM
May 2015

I did my time in the Church. I reserve the right to criticize them whenever and however I see fit, and fuck anyone who tries to tell me different.

Latest Discussions»Alliance Forums»Atheists & Agnostics»"Cardinal: Abortion ...