Atheists & Agnostics
Related: About this forumThere is NO GOD, JUST AN INVENTION BY SAD LONELY MEN. They invented Biblical ManGod 🤷🏾♀️
THEY invented their Biblical manGod out of a lonely despairation to feel powerful because they choose to block themselves off from feeling love.🤷🏾?♀️ So they replaced that with self importance and they wrote a whole book about how great they were. *yawn*🙄🖕🏾
A man cannot possibly create life on his own. He lacks the ability to give birth. He likes the seeds required AKA the eggs, That only wombins carry. AKA WOMAN IN 2022 AkA BIRTHING PARENT. That's why the creation story us so utterly stupid and devoid of intelligence. I'm enjoying Dirt, Talking snakes, and magical fruit. Everyone knows Beans is the only magical fruit,🤣
The very notion that if there's a god it has to be a man, is absolutely the stupidest manliest thing to think ever. Only a man would believe that even though he came out of a woman's vagina somehow he created itself🙄
So if there was anything akin to what mankind would want to desperately call god.
GOD would have to be a WOMAN
And WE would know her as MOTHER! OUR FIRST MOTHER.
And Our Mother wouldn't live in some mysterious far away place. She would resign in the love that we are able to flow to others in our heart in our soul. She would whisper to us gently, And we would come to know her as "something told me to do that" or " I just followed my heart" or " I had a feeling I was making a mistake, I should have listened" Who else but a mother would whisper guidance to us and then allow us to make our own decisions?
And our mother would never discourage us from loving who our hearts guide us to love. Because Our Mother always ever only was supposed to choose to love us unconditionally.
Only a man, would come up with some ridiculous rule that says if you pick up sticks at the wrong day/hour you can be murdered. that's in the manBible.
Only a man, would tell another man your penis isn't right you have to snip it.🥴 Think how often circumcision appears in the Old Testament. it's the weirdest thing ever. Even Moses's wife had to snip their son's penis on the side of a road with a dirty knife and flick the foreskin onto the father's foot to keep the manGod from killing moses. Don't believe me, Google "flicked foreskin on Moses's foot". 🤯
And the only reason a manGod would demand such loyalty is because MEN who debated the bible, like a group project for a Semester, in the 4th century. Lacked the capacity to understand LOVE. Which is why the God they invented and the Old Testament is the absolute most ruthless thing ever Pretended to exist.
They literally wrote a bible whether God killed more people than the Alleged villain satan. Remember satan only killed Job's family under the direction of the manGod
Think about it when you love someone, you just listen to your heart and you flow love to that person. And if that love is flowed back to you.. Then the 2 of you have just created this beautiful river between each other of love. And the reason I love can never die because you always begin with love. And love always finds a place to flow too, And if it's a person that love flows back. So that's why love begins and ends always. And that's why love never dies. How could it possibly as long as we are always loving each other? And love is our birthright our mothers give it to us when they choose to push.
I'm not telling anyone what to do, however I highly suggest we stop having ignorant conversations about creation. We all know that is stupid. Just tell him that to their face until they leave us the fuck alone. Debating Creationist makes them feel like there's some TRUTH in what they believe.
Even in Genesis, their ignorant Bible says the trees came before the sun. That's the beginning and end of their stupidity there's no reason to have a conversation beyond that scripture 🤷🏾?♀️
Thank you for coming to my Ted talk🤣🤣🤣
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We have always known HER we call her "MOTHER NATURE", "MOTHER EARTH"
It's just our brains have been clouded and fogged of a manGod. invented by weak minded men who always WANT LOVE. YET lack the mental compactly to understand we experience LOVE.
We don't worship mother, because that's weird. You don't have to pray to mother because that's stupid. We all feel our mother love. And that's how humanity began to grow because humanity began to love each other. And so if you want to call anything a creation, LOVE is the only thing that created humanity. Because humans EXPERIENCED LOVE First.
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grumpyduck
(6,255 posts)but if you mean THEY to be the bishops gathered at the Council of Nicea in AD 325, they did not invent the "biblical manGod." When Emperor Constantine called the council, what he did was ask the -- yep, mostly old men -- bishops who attended to combine the beliefs that had become popular among the early Christians with those of the older pagan religions prevalent at the time. They went thru the old books and traditions and decided what would go in the Bible.
Constatine did it totally for political reasons, to try to quell the unrest in the Roman Empire and try to bring some peace to the place. And as a result the Church, dominated by old men, developed a huge amount of political power later.
Some of the stuff in the Bible goes back to traditions long before the Council of Nicea and the Bible: the flood, the creation, resurrection, even the halos seen over saints' heads. It's a fascinating story. People believed in gods -- male and female -- long before those old guys decided what to put in the Bible.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)As you and I are both aware of that is when they 1st put The Bible together and debated what pages should go in it as if it was a class project which was what I said.
And during that process, women were excluded. I will go on to further say that all the major religious text excludes the input of women. Even though women have the same birth right to free will is all the men do. From the beginning of this phony religion we call Christianity mannity men excluded women's voices.
Yes women are mentioned by mankind but written from the perspective of a man.
Now there may be some unknown authors of that book that were women. But let's face it no man would ever give them any credit.
Also if I had gone into the history of everything I know about Constantine I would still be writing my 1st post
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grumpyduck
(6,255 posts)But now you have me wondering how the two other ancient religions in the Western world -- Judaism and Islam -- relate to women. I'm Catholic, so I missed a lot of reality in school, but now I'll have to do a little reading, especially since the first five books are basically common to all three religions.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)There is a scripture somewhere in deutoronomy that says do not add anything to this book.
The Muslim Religion picks up where Abraham kicks out his concubine and his bastard son at the behest of his wife Sarah. Ishmael was about 10 years old when he started picking on Isaiah.
And Sarah told Abraham it was time to kick the concubine out because they had their own kid now.
So Abraham sent his side piece out into the desert with just some bread and very little water.
As the 2 of them lay in the desert almost dying allegedly an angel came to Ismael and told him that he too would be father to many nations or something to that affect.
And does the Muslim religion was born.
So basically Jews Christians and Muslims all worship the same God and yet they fight about it all the time.
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Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)Just a small point of fact though ... Because they're so tiny, science had to advance (microscopes in particular, but also the field of genetics), the existence and purpose of 'ovum' was not discovered until the 1800's.
Prior to this point (and esp. 2K years ago), the populace believed that the womb was like a 'field' into which the male placed his 'seed', and they did not know half the genetic material (hell, they didn't even know what genetic material was) is actually contributed by the female.
In the context of what was known at the time of the creation of the ManGods, there's a logic to (edit: Bronze-Age) society believing 'males' were the 'creators of life'. It's wrong, obvs, but not as unreasonable a conclusion as it NOW seems.
People back then didn't know SHIT.
And that's why it's esp. annoying to me that Bronze-Age scribblings are still revered by some, and even more so that they want LAWS for everyone based on their preferred interpretation of the works of these (mostly fiction) writers.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)It's out of order, with all due respect quoting me information that man came up about life
It's simply irrelevant to truth.
And we'll never move to a better place in our society if we keep hanging on to old lies that we've been told BY MEN OF SEL APPOINTED AUTHORITY
The biggest lie, is man's understanding of how women create life and A mother's role in our society. And they're belief that they have a right to decide when a woman Is supposed to put her life on the line to bring a baby into this world.
If we lived in a world where men had not assigned themselves such great self importance. We wouldn't have the country we do now. where a bunch of old white men, think they have a right to tell every other woman in the country when to choose to birth life.
So the words that I am typing, they are brand new words that you will not find in a book you may find similar things in the book. But you won't find as much truth as I'm giving you right now, from A man's understanding of a woman and our role as the birthing parents
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Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)Bottom-line, I'm on your side 
PortTack
(32,793 posts)Bunny.
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Karadeniz
(22,572 posts)of energy, not an old man. However, I can appreciate writers back then using that image to denote the propagator of soul energy. In the gospels, this energy is represented by light, but there is next to no effort by churchmen/women to teach that the anthropomorphic imagery should ultimately be replaced by the light/energy. So, the level of understanding remains mired at the earthly level.
Warpy
(111,339 posts)Their gods were whimsical and capricious and each governed one aspect of life. With dozens of gods, there were dozens of temples and competing groups of priests/priestesses and the power of the clergy was limited by that.
Monotheism was introduced by the heretic Pharaoh Akhenaten and spread in various forms from there. His priesthood grew fat and arrogant and people missed their accessible gods. When he died, much of the evidence of his reign was stricken and Egypt quickly reverted to their old system. His son, Tutankhamen, died young and there is some evidence he was buried in the antechamber of his mother's tomb, a humiliating end despite the bling Howard Carter found in there.
The Riddle of Epicurus points out the major problem with any monotheistic system. He didn't point out the problem a powerful clergy competing with civil government could be. The only alternative to that is theocracy, and those tend to be brutal, especially to women and children, no thanks.
Life is a gamble and no one is more superstitious than your average gambler. People are going to believe in unseen forces, spirit worlds, and gods no matter what. This old atheist will be perfectly happy to see the desert war god dead and buried and a reversion to the numerous small gods who gave people a better illusion of comfort, safety, and occasional help and the sharply reduced power of clergy that goes along with them.
localroger
(3,630 posts)Before Judaism, most religions taught that the creation of the Universe was either chaotic and unknowable or something like birth, an act that may not have been under much control by the being who accomplished it. Polytheistic gods were not credited with making their powers, just with having those powers and not knowing any more than we did how those powers arose. But the Hebrew god made the Universe, the way a potter makes a bowl or a carpenter a table. That implies control and knowledge, because as we all know an unskilled craftsman will make a crooked product. This made JHVH very different from any of the other gods in regular service, because he had to be infinite and perfect in order to have created such a vast and awesome universe. A woman can give birth to something that will grow much larger than she is herself, but a craftsman can only make what his skill admits. So Judaism then begat Christianity, which begat Islam, and now about half the human race is indoctrinated into this idea that the creator of the world must be infinitely powerful, skillful, and benevolent, all of which would have been considered ridiculous in any other religious system.
Farmer-Rick
(10,209 posts)To the basic development of ancient farming and herding societies. It was female slavery that was the basic foundation of those society's wealth. Like most of the pre civil war wealth that came from slave labor, so did these ancient goat herders' wealth. They didn't even have a word for male slaves ......at first.
As those societies evolved, slavery evolved, god myths evolved, and economics evolved. Of course all three would be centered around men because in those societies, men were masters women were slaves. Patriarchal rules and abuses of women have their seed in ancient female slavery. It was integrated into everything. That's where polygamy came from, it's probably the beginnings of feudalism too.
There were societies that weren't based on female slavery but they didn't take over like the female slave societies.
