Trolls will be trolls and juries will be juries.

[cleanhippie]

Apparently, asking why someone made up some shit out of thin air is a personal attack? Who knew?


Man, I love this place!


At Sat Jul 21, 2012, 04:13 PM, an alert was sent on the following post:

Why do you just make shit up out of thin air?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=36641

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

personal attack. While these two members go at it all the time, generally one just takes it into ugly and the whole thread deteriorates.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sat Jul 21, 2012, 04:19 PM, and voted 4-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: Looks like this went off the rails at "blah, blah, blah". Insults and personal attacks don't win an argument. Agreed?

Let's have a "do over" please; spin the discourse up not down.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: This person needs to re-read the DU rules and learn what is meant by PERSONAL ATTACK
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

CONSEQUENCES OF THIS DECISION

You will no longer be able to participate in this discussion thread, and you will not be able to start a new discussion thread in this forum until 5:19 PM. This hidden post has been added to your <a href="/?com=profile&uid=260446&sub=trans">Transparency page</a>.

[Warpy]

1. I think you need to spend some time in IRC chats

and learn the delicate art of the oblique insult. I've been using them for years. They hit their mark without being against anyone's TOS or moderator guidelines.

[cleanhippie]

2. But I wasn't trying to insult him.

I would have called him an asshat, or douchebag, or fuckwad, or....well, you get the picture.

Asking why he chooses to make shit up? How is that anything against any rule?

[Warpy]

3. The word "you" is often the offending word

For instance, I might have written "People who feel compelled to make shit up have just announced that the discussion is over and that they lost the fight."

See the difference? If anything, the civilized slap with the white glove (with the roll of quarters in it) is much more painful than the direct approach.

[cleanhippie]

5. Fair enough. I forget about the higher standard we have to live up to.

I guess its the price we pay for being in the right.

[frogmarch]

4. I guess you should have said

"My, what a unique and truly wonderful imagination you have! I didn't say that, but I certainly would have, had I thought of it. "

[cleanhippie]

6. But its not unique and wonderful imagination.

Its lying, plain and simple.


But I take your point.

[Curmudgeoness]

7. Frogmarch forgot the "sarcasm" smilie. nt

[frogmarch]

12. Oh, so I did. Really, though, I thought

the sarcasm was self-evident.

[Curmudgeoness]

13. LOL, that's what you get for thinking.

We all think it is self-evident---but there is a reason why we have to use the smilie.

[frogmarch]

14. You're so right. Oh, well,

in this case I think I'll just chalk it up to a humor FAIL. lol, I hate it when that happens.

[awoke_in_2003]

15. Truly great sarcasm...

goes over the head of a lot of people

[AnotherMcIntosh]

8. Doesn't the offensiveness of such posting depend upon the group in which you are posting?

In the Atheists & Agnostics Group, your post might be perfectly appropriate. Atheists and agnostics are not supposed to "just make shit up out of thin air."

But you were posting in the Religion Group and openly showing disapproval of those who "just make shit up out of thin air."

[cleanhippie]

9. Touche'

Point well taken.

[Iggo]

10. Huh!

[rexcat]

11. I saw your post hidden...

there are some thin-skinned people out there. That type of response would not get my vote to be hidden but it takes a lot to make me vote to hide something. Of late when I do the "DU Jury Thing" the vote usually comes out 3-3 or better not to hide the post.

I have plural cats and single dog. What can I say. (this sentence is for our troll and stalker in residence).

On edit: Warpy has some good advice that I should also be taking.