In light of recent events... I felt this was an appropriate thing to post...

[retrowire]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by SYFROYH (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

I myself, am a political greenhorn. Having only gotten into politics within this past year because of Bernie. No other candidate has ever inspired me enough to go, "Woah, real change could be had and the outspoken underdog who represents the common man is actually running! I've gotta be apart of this!"

So, within my experience of politics of less than a year, I saw the swings, the twists, the turns. The ups and downs, the all arounds. I saw how nasty people got and how truly understanding others could be.

I witnessed a majority continue forth, undaunted by the status quo, and I witnessed a minority consistently attack that majority, with calculative and predictable malice. I saw people silenced and banned for voicing their opinion, and I watched people go grave dancing on their dismissal.

I saw smears against people, I saw lies being spread, I saw insider communities spring up for the sheer purpose of conniving and plotting against other people.

All in the name of politics.

I knew that politics could get dirty. It's one of things that shouldn't turn up in dinnertime conversation. I knew what I was getting into, but I didn't know how grotesque it truly could be.

So in light of recent events, after all that I've seen, I can't help but remember those users who gloated that our Bernie had no chance. I can't forget all the negativity, denial and blatant dismissal of facts that I saw. I can't forget the despicable grave dancing that occurred when I saw friends get stricken down.

I also can't forget telling those folks how blindsided they were about to be.

So now, with only a couple of weeks away from the Iowa and New Hampshire caucuses, our guy Bernie has the lead that we were told he'd never get.

So, because of all the crap I've seen here, I felt that it was perfectly appropriate for me to post this in light of our recent events....

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I'm certain I'll continue seeing deplorable things here. I know this race isn't over yet. But I have a good feeling, I'll be able to post this gif, again and again and again...

That is all...

[randys1]

1. Gloating and rubbing it in the face of tens of millions of Democrats might not be productive

But if you think that is the best way to get them to vote for your candidate, by all means.

[MeNMyVolt]

2. They don't care.

[randys1]

4. Not seasoned political participants, that is for damn sure.

[MeNMyVolt]

6. Yep. I think they will be one day.

Just not now. Kids.

[retrowire]

17. Didn't say I was.

But the seasoned participants who support Hillary have been gloating for a while now. Hence, this OP.

[artislife]

24. They don't think the fly swatter is grave dancing...so

this should be informational.

Like the gif!

[Joe Shlabotnik]

52. +1000 n/t

[Duval]

100. IMO, the fly swatting is distracting and serves no purpose.

[Agschmid]

101. Do people still have that in their sig lines?

[artislife]

107. Yes.

[Agschmid]

109. That's annoying.

[ejbr]

34. +1 n.t

[rhett o rick]

39. LOL. "Not seasoned political participants". I am not sure what you mean by that

but if you meant it to be pejorative, you failed in my case anyway. Granted a lot of people that are enthused about Sen Sanders aren't political hacks, they are just people that coming out against the political hackery that has destroyed our government.

I work hard for my local Democratic Party, am a Precinct Committee Officer, but glad not to qualify for the label "seasoned political participant".

[MeNMyVolt]

58. "am a Precinct Committee Officer".

That's one of our problems.

[rhett o rick]

59. Sorry but I don't get your point. nm

[MeNMyVolt]

64. Why am I not surprised.

[rhett o rick]

67. Oh I see, you are trying to be disparaging but not doing it so well. Please go ahead and give it

your best shot. I learned a long time ago how to deal with this.

[MeNMyVolt]

71. Not worth the keystrokes Rick.

You and I will never see eye to eye. Get your jollies from someone else.

[MrMickeysMom]

84. Oh, for fuck's sake...

Keys aren't the only thing that had a stroke here.

[Babel_17]

92. "the best way to get them to vote for your candidate"

They're trying to show us how it's done, maybe.

"Don't disparage the candidate's position, disparage the supporters. That keeps it classy, and eventually they'll come across to the right side." (in other words)

[Fawke Em]

74. Why is Rhett's being a precinct committee officer a problem?

Heck, I wish more local committees had progressive-thinking people on them. A number of people have complained this cycle that when they tried to support Bernie at their local Dem committees, the establishment types on these boards have turned their noses up and tried to prevent it.

Democrats can have their preferences, but no one should shun enthusiastic supporters simply because they think the nominee should be the establishment's choice.

[retrowire]

3. Yeah, it's appropriate considering

I had to deal with "POLLS, LOOK AT THESE POLLS HAHA A SOCIALIST WILL NEVER WIN"

So yeah, it's appropriate to me.

[randys1]

5. Yeah, I wasnt asking, I am trying to educate you. But it wont work.

[retrowire]

9. Educate me?

1. Tens of millions of democrats don't post on DU.

2. I'm not trying to convert anyone. I do that through volunteering. This message is only my insight about my experience in politics.

But thanks for your concern. I'm only excited that despite all I've seen, things are working out in my candidates favor, as I've always felt they would. It's vindicating!

[artislife]

27. You just don't get how powerful you are, dude!

It has been you all along!


Lol

It is alright to be happy. My client today told me my Bernie was doing better...they only watch CNN. She said she was going to write in Joe Biden. I told her she needed to caucus for him. (Biden) She seems to remember a convention that the write ins got on the ballot. Who am I to stand in her way of expressing her vote? I am going to send her the link to caucusing her in WA.

[Ed Suspicious]

86. Could you possibly be any more condescending?

[FSogol]

10. LOL, don't mind them, they're busy taking a victory lap before a single vote

has been cast.

[retrowire]

13. We at least waited til we were close to the Iowa caucuses.

Hillary Supporters acted like this thing was done months ago.

[FSogol]

15. And now it's your side's turn to do the same thing? Remind me. How are you guys different?

[retrowire]

20. We didn't think we had this in the bag months ago.nt

[Karma13612]

25. Well, we are looking good in the polls

despite being hog-tied by Hillary's BFF, Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

[MeNMyVolt]

32. You got the DWS thing in...

... but no oligarchs, corporatists, nor any "percentages". BFF shows your Millennium cred though.

[Dretownblues]

11. That's rich

Coming from Hillary supporters who have called Sanders supporters "hippies", " not real Democrats" and anything else you could think of to try to shut them up.

[randys1]

16. Hillary supporters? See how myopic some of you are, I am a Bernie supporter

and have mentioned that a few hundred times.

[Dretownblues]

26. I apologize

Since my post does not apply to you. However there is a level of hipocracy with Clinton supporters that I just can't stand, as you can see upthread about celebrating before a single vote has been cast, which is what Clinton supports have been doing for months.

[Scootaloo]

29. Maybe due to your endless stream of attacks and belittlement of Sanders supporters?

And your chronic lack of anything supportive to say about the candidate?



People can only go by what you post, you know.

[retrowire]

41. This. nt

[MrMickeysMom]

80. Ding! Ding! Ding!

Couldn't agree more with that one, Scootaloo...

[sonofspy777]

110. Yeperr! nt

[hootinholler]

44. Cool story bro! n/t

[A Simple Game]

88. A few hundred times and still no one believes you. n/t

[JimDandy]

93. Where's your sarcasm thingy?

Surely you can't be serious?

Bernie supporters don't need to mention much that they support him, let alone mention it "a few hundred times." It's pretty darn obvious who each of us supports... Bernie supporters show it through acts, deeds and a ton of "Go Bernie(s)!", "Feel the Bern(s)", and just generally talking him up wildly. I could be wrong, but I don't recall any post of yours that reads like that.

[Agschmid]

104. Lol... Assimilate or... Else?

[libdem4life]

14. I don't think many are undecided at this point in time. Now it seems mostly a conversation

using that word loosely. So I wouldn't worry too much about the reactions on this board. In fact, nothing surprises me here any more. I consider it entertainment and the opportunity to sharpen up my thinking and writing skills.

[Punkingal]

18. You are so often the first one.

eom

[randys1]

22. First one what? Care to show one example after explaining what that means?

[LiberalElite]

19. Shoe's on the other foot and it doesn't feel too good huh nt

[randys1]

23. What shoe is that? As a Bernie supporter I dont know what you are talking about

But you have proven that you and those who act like you are either new to this political thing or really dont care about anything other than your candidate.

That would be unfortunate if he doesnt end up as the nominee.

[rhett o rick]

73. Why do you think that "new to this political thing" is an insult? A lot of Sanders supporters

are "new to this political thing" and proud of it. In fact, most of our political problems come from those that are old hands "at this political thing".

You claim to be a Sanders supporter but you continue to disparage Sanders supporters.

[MrMickeysMom]

83. I smell a poser...

[Ed Suspicious]

87. Good god, get real!

"As a Bernie supporter."

[rhett o rick]

42. In within two minutes. Kudos. Takes some dedication. I think it's highly ironic to complain

about gloating after the years of gloating we've heard from those supporting the front runner.

[bvf]

72. You didn't even read the OP, did you?

[vkkv]

81. "Gloating and rubbing it in.." - that's pretty funny.

Unless, you REALLY think that "H->" is in deep trouble with the Left.. Then it's not "funny" it is NEWS worth reporting, yes?

[Gore1FL]

96. Anyone that doesn't support a candidate because someone on the internet gave them "the sads"

is probably not going to vote anyway. Unless they are that motivated by being passive aggressive against total strangers that will never know of their actions.

If Hillary is the Dem nominee I'll vote for her despite the antics of Clinton supporters on DU. Why wouldn't I? I expect the same level of rational behavior out of Clinton supporters.

[Duval]

99. Can you view it as a celebration, rather than "gloating and rubbing", randys1?

Would you not be celebrating if it were your candidate? Are we so divided that we all can't rejoice in the fact that we have 3 good Dems running for President? And if not, why? Sure there are disappointments, but we must work together however this plays out. Oh wait, I just remembered Bernie IS your candidate. I don't understand your comment. Sorry.

[KingFlorez]

7. Your boy should wait until some votes are actually cast before he starts jumping around

I'm just saying.

[Scootaloo]

31. He's not a "boy." He's a 76 year old man and a Senator.

Knock that shit off.

[hootinholler]

47. Your girl should stop making out with Hank.

Among many many other things.

[Duval]

106. Who's Hank? Have I missed something?

[Deny and Shred]

105. Sen. Sanders had no idea his campaign would be this successful

when he began. He was in the political wilderness. Before any vote is cast, he has not only shifted the conversation, he has single-handedly dragged the presumptive nominee toward his policies at virtually every single turn. She is taking positions she never has nor never would have taken if it weren't for him.

That should make him dance. It SHOULD make any Democrat dance who is capable of putting aside the cult of personality.

[NCTraveler]

8. Lol. That's enthusiasm. I'll stick with that. Enthusiasm. Nt

[libodem]

12. Hell to the yeah

[Punkingal]

21. Dance right along with him, sweetheart!

[retrowire]

38. Wooo!

[sadoldgirl]

28. Sorry to say that you have seen nothing yet.

The PTB will throw so much dirt around (just look
at Chelsea's lies) and more to come.

This is just an anonymous blog, but instead
of blacking out For Bernie, the media will attack
relentlessly; after all they are the big corporations,
which Bernie attacks for their greed.

I won't give up my hope for Bernie, and keep
on volunteering, but he has a much harder mountain
to climb than any other candidate I have seen.

Still, keep up your hope and your work.

[retrowire]

37. blatant lies can't stand to the hivemind of fact checking information age.

We got this!

[zeemike]

94. I was going to say something like Sadoldgirl did.

You ain't seen nothing yet...They have many dirty tricks to play and lots of lies to tell.

The good news is that the new media is the internet and many have wised up to things and so it is not as effective as it once was.
And HRC did not expect that...she thought all she had to do was schmooze with the PTB and use the big bucks and media and she would be a shoo in.
It's not working out like that.

[Fawke Em]

30. Today is my birthday.

I can't think of a better gift than the slew of polls showing Americans are Feeling the Bern!

[retrowire]

36. Happy Birthday to you! :D nt

[Fawke Em]

76. Thank you!

In addition to all the great polling and endorsements, I found out that Bernie will be coming to Tennessee soon for his historic black colleges tour.

It's in Nashville and no firm date set, yet, but since I only live about three hours from there, I should be able to get there! I go to Nashville at least three times a year anyway. My Dad used to live there.

It's just been a great news day for my birthday!

[MrMickeysMom]

78. Happy Birthday, Fawke Em!

From your friends "elsewhere"!

[Fawke Em]

97. Thank you!

[Marty McGraw]

89. Fawk'en Happy Birthday!

( '-')


** you knew that was coming...

[Fawke Em]

98. LOL!!

Thanks!

[Dont call me Shirley]

61. Happy Birthday, Fawke Em....

[Fawke Em]

79. Thank you!!!

[azmom]

103. Happy Birthday Fawke Em

[zeemike]

95. Well then this is for you...

Happy Birthday.

[Duval]

102. Really? Happy Birthday, Fawke Em

[TIME TO PANIC]

33. It's hard not to be stoked right now, but get ready.

It's going to get ugly these next few weeks.

[retrowire]

35. It's exciting, and nervewracking at the same time.

But, I'm optimistic.

[TIME TO PANIC]

45. Hell yeah, it's nerve-wracking.

But, we should be optimistic. Bernie is very much in this, and it looks like he's beginning to surge.

[retrowire]

46. Your username is very fitting of your initial response to me lol nt

[hootinholler]

40. Smack them back once and see what happens

No! I will never apologize for that until I'm convinced the person I smacked has sincerely apologized to everyone here.

Grave dancing in sig lines, taunting, jury rigging, accusing others of doing what they are doing, and more are all just part of the drama.

Stay tuned, they're just getting warmed up.

[retrowire]

43. Yep, that's that other community I saw rise up just to coordinate and plot against people.

I have no respect for people like that. We're not in high school.

[Metric System]

49. I've seen all of that behavior and more from Sanders supporters.

[hootinholler]

53. Funny, I haven't seen that from Bernie supporters

There's no outside site to coordinate attacks on Hillary supporters. There's no outside site to whip up attacks on Hillary supporters.

Show me something like this from Bernie supporters here on DU:



Did you visit the link in the post you replied to?

[WillyT]

48. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! - And Peace To You, retrowire !!!

[retrowire]

56. Peace to you as well WillyT! nt

[rhett o rick]

50. DWS holding down debates, PP "encouraged" to snub Sen Sanders and MOM, and now

the Chelsea lies, things are going to get rougher. The Wealthy Oligarchy isn't used to losing and they have unlimited resources to SwiftBoat those they oppose.

But the reason that there are so many new enthusiastic Democrats supporting Sanders, is that they are out to fight the corrupt Establishment of our Party. They will only get more determined the dirtier it gets.

[Cassiopeia]

51. Glad to have you aboard retrowire.

However, take a bit of this deserved optimism and bottle it up if you can. The last 4 months or so have only been the beginning. The real war still hasn't even gotten here yet.

I'm with you though. We've been under constant attack from Hillary's camp trying to discourage us, to turn us away, to try and force us to just give up. We haven't though, because we're not fighting for a politician, we're fighting for a different way of doing things. We're fighting to make a positive difference in everyone's lives.

I promise it will get much worse. Even if Bernie wins every state in mini landslides (which is not likely to happen) people will become more vocal and fling more and more shit. It's the nature of politics.

I love your enthusiasm, hope, and confidence. Traits such as yours will carry us to victory.

Bernie 2016!

[retrowire]

57. Agreed 100 percent! Thank you. nt

[Joe Shlabotnik]

54. Great gif,

but its still early, there will be plenty of ratfucking yet. Steel thyself.

[retrowire]

55. Indeed. nt

[Chemisse]

60. There is nothing wrong with being excited about Bernie's rise in polls.

And maybe a bit of gloating is in order considering what a long shot this seemed at the start.

But don't pretend one side has been victimized by the other during this primary season. BOTH sides have been atrocious. BOTH sides have said deplorable things.

I watched all this as an undecided voter, before recently committing to Sanders, so I was able to have some objectivity for quite a long time, and it has been like watching mud wrestling, where all the participants are equally vicious, and equally dirty.

[retrowire]

63. Oh I totally agree.

I can't agree with every action of my fellow Bernie supporters.

[Chemisse]

66. Ohh! I guess I misinterpreted your post a bit.

Quite an introduction to politics it must be for you!

It should be a lot more pleasant around here once we have our nominee and we're all on the same side.

[retrowire]

69. That's the feeling I get. That it'll all be over after Primaries, then we'll have one common enemy.

nt

[Fawke Em]

90. OT: That pooch in your sig line is adorable!

I happen to be a huge dog lover. They are the most loyal of friends!

[mak3cats]

62. Let's enjoy today...

...and tomorrow, get back to work!

[humbled_opinion]

65. LOL love it /nt

[Kalidurga]

68. I can't stop watching that gif

I can't wait to use it on Republicons when they get their butts kicked.

[retrowire]

70. You're more than welcome to! Spread the Bern! nt

[ChiciB1]

75. I Remember You When You First Started Posting Here...

You were talking about millennials, I believe. I told you how much I appreciated your input, that YOU were the future and glad that you were willing to jump in and reach out to those of us who've been in the trenches for years and years.

You've shown that you really are the future and I'm so glad you're still here fighting. I had thought those of us, Boomers as I call myself might be able to weather the storm that's sure to come. I see know that I was wrong and my Party, the one I joined so many years ago before the right leaning Democrats took over could help us find our way back from what we once were. With Bernie Sanders this may be possible, but we still have so many BIG GUNS that will be rolled out as Hillary falters.

THOSE Democrats who also knew a different Democratic Party and fought for "we the people" way back during Viet Nam, Civil Rights, Medicare and many of the core beliefs they once so fiercely fought for. Even THEY decided to fall in line with the status quo of today. The ones who I once called the backbone of our Party and stood up to TPTB. I KNOW when it began to happen. I watched the slow slide rightward as the DLC gained ground and grew larger. Then we were told the DLC was no more only to be replaced by the Blue Dogs and the beginning of the Third Way. But the DLC never really went away, they just merged and here we are at the cross road.

If THE PEOPLE keep fighting back with the help of those like you who really NEED to begin to see how far we've strayed from the core values of THE Party I joined so long ago, then we can rebuild. Instead of standing on what now is shaky ground we NEED the help of those like you to build again in your own way, the way of the future with a man who still remembers the same things I do.

I will again say, you have my respect and you and YOUR generation can help this country turn away from more of what we are living through now. They once stood by us and worked with us, but somehow GREED found it's way to leave us behind.

I still believe there are those who want to break away and stop this GREED, but "we the people" have to send the message.

Your words tell the story, now it's time to make history again! Don't back down!

[retrowire]

77. Your words are empowering and I thank you.

Greed always finds a way to corrupt. And there is an ebb and flow to everything. I think we've been in the deeper rut for a while now, and it's now time to rise.

As I continuously say, Hillary, and other establishmentarian politicians will only pick the low hanging fruit. "Look! 12.50 an hour, that will appease you." "Hey, I went after the spooky shadow banks on wall St, but I left my buddies alone. See? I'm helping!"

Picking the low hanging fruit is what we've been doing. And it's not enough. Electing Bernie is the only way to shake the whole damn tree. We'll get all the fruit, even the difficult ones. And we will prevail because we worked hard enough and believed we could.

I don't think any of us should listen when the Third Way tells us, "Oh, that fruit is too high. We can't pick that." No. We are the people, this is our government and nation, and YES WE CAN do whatever we choose. It IS possible. Bernie has proven time and time again that his goals have been achieved by others, and it is not a pipe dream.

Thank you again for your words. I will keep fighting. But I, like many others, don't know how I'll feel if Bernie doesn't make it. I was disenchanted with the political machine before... I can't imagine how I'd feel if that happened.

But I won't be allowing a Republican in the white house.

[ChiciB1]

85. Never Say Never... I Too Will Feel Deflated Because

I want to see a brighter day, and Bernie is the first person I've seen in many, many, many years who I believe in. I also know he will really NEED the people of this country to stick with him, should he win and DON'T think the battle was won. This is his beginning, too many in D.C. won't be happy to see him sworn in. Not just the other side, but OUR side. We send the message, the we start again at the local level to help him make history.

Yeah, should she be the nominee I know what needs to be done... but as I've said before it will be a vote that won't make me feel better.

I have more belief now than I ever thought possible. ONWARD!!!

[vkkv]

82. K&R_________________________________________ n/t

[Babel_17]

91. lol, didn't see that coming (nt)

[aikoaiko]

111. Locking.

Dude, too much DMD (disruptive meta discussion).