OK, I'm confused....was posting on Bernies forum and got booted

[all american girl]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Sissyk (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

I was just asking a question and was getting answers. I want to thank the people who were answering me. One person, I thought, was missing the point and so I responded...I even used a smiley face thing....I was trying to express that I was not trying to be mean. I then get booted. Folks, I really wanted to find out about Bernie and how he would fund a general election campaign. I'm upset now.

I'm sure this is in the wrong forum...sorry if it is. I may have been here forever, but I never post....I'm just not that clever...as you can tell

[Kentonio]

1. Everyone's a bit touchy at the moment, please don't take it to heart.

If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask them here.

[MrChuck]

3. I was banned almost instantly

I'm a returning member.
Somewhere out there is my original account. I could not remember the log in info so I created a new one. I was banned after making one reply on a Sanders thread.
I always remembered this place being very touchy around election time.

[all american girl]

6. I remember that in 2008, and it made me sad then also.

I said that I was undecided, but my husband is for Hillary and my son is for Bernie. I like both, just like in 2008. So maybe that did it, but if they want to encourage undeciders, it might help not to ban for asking a question. Live and learn, I guess. I think maybe I don't understand these forums and that's embarrassing

[notadmblnd]

29. You'll get the same treatment in the HRC forum

go ahead, try posting and saying something positive about Sanders there is you don't believe me.

PS just because you can't post there, doesn't mean you cant read there. Oh, and there's always GDP.

[MrChuck]

50. GDP (sigh)

I'm only kidding. I just see group members moaning about that board on occasion.
I'm much more of a reader anyway, so it's fine.
It just seems a little insular like it did in 2008.
I guess I should have headed my comment with
"Ardent Sanders Supporter here that only wants to agree with you please don't ban! "
...aaand banned.
Go Bernie Go!

[notadmblnd]

64. I get tires of the daily "Sander's supporters are so mean" meme as if they've cornered the market on

mean-ness. I'm not saying Sander's supporters can't mean but HRC supporters can and have been pretty nasty too. If someone is going to call the pot black, then I'm going to point out how dirty the kettle is too.

[LWolf]

2. Ask here. nt

[Hortensis]

4. All American, they were fairly forebearing with me

when I was new and accidentally posted to them via the Latest Threads forum. They accepted 3 of my "friendly-to-Bernie-but-what-about" posts before giving me the heave-ho.

That said, the problem is they don't HAVE good answers to so many questions. They will not admit that Bernie has any weaknesses at all. The slightest doubt that he could lose either the primary or general is not acceptable. That forum is their safe place where they can all agree to agree without being disturbed by doubts and unpleasant facts.

Just post on this forum. It's not anyone's safe place.

[Kentonio]

21. I'm curious to see what these questions are exactly that you think we can't answer.

Please enlighten me.

[Hortensis]

62. Sure. If we nominated Bernie and then

lost the White House and Senate, and hundreds of House seats, state governorships, and state legislature seats now within our reach, because the GOP nominee and their $1 billion in Super-Pac persuaded the electorate that Bernie and the rest of the Democrats were just too extreme, why would you bitterly place all blame for that enormous disaster on the Democratic Party, "the establishment, and "DWS," and absolutely none on yourselves?

[Trajan]

65. Hah ....what a loaded question that is ..

'Have you beat your wife lately?'

Classic fallacious appeal ...

Not only do I NOT care about your question, but you will be completely removed from my feed ...

Sayonara ...

[Kentonio]

66. So you want an explanation for a question that you've nonsensically answered yourself?

Any more nonsense, or do you have any actual questions?

[tazkcmo]

27. horse hockey.

Just like your candidate's "Cut It Out" Wall St reform.

[notadmblnd]

31. please tell us which questions we can't answer?

[pangaia]

47. Sounds like the HRC Group to me.

[cali]

5. I got booted from the Hillary forum for less than that.

And I get it. Those forums are for supporters only.

[left-of-center2012]

45. I got booted from the Hillary forum

I posted there one time,
asking clarification on one of her positions,
and got booted.

[baldguy]

7. The Hive Mind deemed you unfit to exist, therefor you were banished.

The simple fact is people get banned from the Bernie group because of who they support, not for anything they actually post in that group.

Stalinism at it's finest.

[m-lekktor]

8. oh please, as if the Hillary group doesn't do the same exact thing!

[cali]

9. That's what happened to me

in the Hillary group

[Ed Suspicious]

26. yup. And the BOG.

[cherokeeprogressive]

11. One could say the same thing about a number of groups here.

[notadmblnd]

33. Just like the HRC forum

[Vattel]

10. If you are not a Sanders supporter, don't post on a forum for Sanders supporters.

[all american girl]

13. I was asking a question, because I thought the Bernie folks could answer it for me. Sorry

[Vattel]

14. I am not trying to be mean, and there is no need to apologize (sincerely or sarcastically).

What you did is no big deal. I just think forums should be used for the purposes for which they are established.

[all american girl]

18. It was completely sincere...I really didn't mean to piss someone off...and THANKS

[Vattel]

20. cheers!

[Paka]

22. I believe I was one who did answer you,

and I felt your question was very legitimate. Please don't take offense. Ask whoever blocked you if they could reconsider.

Like many others, I asked a simple question in the Hillary forum and got instantly blocked. Too many these days are too touchy. Please don't take it personally. All questions should be accepted and answered.

[all american girl]

42. Thank you...I understand that there are those who are out to make trouble, and that's just sad.

Kind of leaves out those who would like to ask questions and get answers. It's sometime hard to figure out if someone is sincere or just jerking everyone's chain. This too shall pass.

[NCTraveler]

55. Very kind response...

With a direction to possibly work out the issue.

[notadmblnd]

34. Ask it here.

[all american girl]

12. OK, here is the question...

Bernie is doing great with small donors...YEAH!!!! but in the general he is going to need a lot of money...elections are expensive, Obama spent around a billion dollars-I think. We all want to get money out of politics, me included, but the republicans don't. We have to compete against that machine. How does Bernie plan to handle this. In 2012 I gave Obama around $200, and I'm no fool, it didn't amount to much, but it made me feel part of something. I think Bernie can get big donations is he is the nominee, but will he?

And JEB has proven that money can't buy you love, but a general is a different beast.

[kenfrequed]

15. Simple answer

The absolute majority of Bernie's donors have not even come close to maxing out since most of their donations are under forty dollars. These people can be tapped to donate again and again after he wins the primary. His pool of donors will also expand after he wins the primary.

[all american girl]

17. I know that I can give more than $200, but my mom can't

I'm not trying to be difficult, I would like to know what the plan is. I just like that, I like plans. Drives my family nuts

[kenfrequed]

19. uhm

The maximum you can give to a federal candidate is 2,700 dollars. Most of Bernie's supporters will never give that much but they will give more. Once he wins the nomination a lot of people on the fence and even Hillary supporters are free to give to the campaign too since their horse is out of the race.


I don't understand your question about "the plan." It is the same as any other campaign with regard to fundraising, minus the superpacs.

[all american girl]

35. Sorry about "plan"

You said superpacs...because they are separate, can he stop them....meaning if a bunch of people, or bigwigs, get together and decide to make one, can he stop them? Also, is he planning on taking big donations? That's what I meant by plan...Sorry about not being very clear, and rereading this, I think I'm not even clear to myself....I seem to be losing the thread here with myself

[kenfrequed]

36. Find yourself and come back when you are clear.

I don't like to comment on vague implications.

[all american girl]

44. Wow, that wasn't nice. I may not be clear and was trying to be light about the fact that I'm

having problems expressing myself properly. Sorry I'm a waste of time.

[kenfrequed]

48. Stop.

Go back a few posts up and reread my answer.

Bernie's supporters on average can all give up to 2000 more to his campaign.

Stop trying to play the victim when you are trying to passively peddle assertions that Bernie will somehow embrace big money later.

I think k I have an idea why you might have been banned.

[kenfrequed]

49. Actually...

On average 2650 dollars more.

[Kelvin Mace]

59. You do realize that to the majority of Americans

campaign finance rules/laws are quite confusing?

I think it is better to give the poster the benefit of a doubt rather than speculate about them "playing the victim".

Some times a question is just a question. Regulars at DU are in the upper 5% of the population who are well informed about political news and the minutia of campaign laws. We cannot expect every newbie who comes along to be as informed as we are, and view their ignorance (and I use that word in a non-pejorative way) as cynical ploys.

Just my two cents.

[all american girl]

60. I'm not playing the victim.

A billion dollars is a lot of money to come up with to run a general election...if it's anything like the last. Isn't it realistic to think that small donations can come up with that amount? I don't know, so what will Bernie do? Will he take in big donations? Will he allow superpacs....can he even stop superpacs? I am admitting to my lack of knowledge on this bit. I would like an answer, or ideas, if anyone can help explain a plan for the general election, if he should win the primary. As I have stated very clearly, we all want big money out of elections, and yes, JEB has clearly shown that big money doesn't mean support, but running an election costs.

So yeah, this is a concern, and I would like to know the plan.

[baldguy]

16. I can see why you were banned.

Bringing up basic facts about logistics like that ...

[mikehiggins]

28. I can see why you could get banned

One of the mantras heard from the camp of one of the primary candidates is that one Democrat has all sorts of money from all sorts of people. One candidate has small contributions that make up 17% of the total. Another has small donations from about 85+%. Both candidates are reported to have similar amounts available for the campaign. One camp repeatedly says that a lack of money will cripple the other candidate, who does not have a super-Pac or a large number of wealthy donors.

One candidate has over a million contributors. If they all chip in $50 that is, of course, fifty million dollars and so on and so on.

So, to get back to the point, it may well be that the Sanders supporters think anyone who raises that point is not on his side. Hence, the welcome mat on that group gets pulled back.

Still and all, as you can see, nobody is trying to keep you from raising the question right here in this group. They are just saying the Sanders group is not the place to do it.

[all american girl]

38. Thank you

I really wasn't trying to start something. It was a post about donations, so I thought I would ask. I just wish there was to explain it, it felt aburpt and I didn't know what I did. Thank you again.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. I avoid the candidate forums, even the candidates I like./nt

[NCTraveler]

24. I made one pro Sanders post in that group.

Was banned shortly after. No worries.

You will not find a post of mine in that group that can be taken negatively in any way.

Here is my only post in that group. Banned minutes after making it.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/128069099

[HERVEPA]

30. But you can find anti-Sanders post from you everywhere else.

[NCTraveler]

32. Not in that group.

Not one. I respect groups here.

[HERVEPA]

41. Uh, that's why I said everywhere else.

I am not in the Bernie group, though I am a supporter. based on your posts everywhere else I would not want you in that group.

[NCTraveler]

52. Understood. I'm not wanted. Lol

I have dozens of posts during the primary that are negative toward Clinton. Hundreds over my time here.

I'm not wanted. Thanks for the morning laugh.

[notadmblnd]

39. Your reputation must have preceded you.

You might have been banned, however, did you notice that all replies to you in that thread were not rude or snarky?

[NCTraveler]

53. I was banned before most of those replies were made.

That quick. Lol

Love that you come right out with reputation. Love it.

[notadmblnd]

56. Still, they were not rude or snarky

I don't think anyone has a way of telling if another has been banned unless it is announced.

[joshcryer]

25. What about his campaign makes you think he won't get large donations?

He's not going to refuse large donations or SuperPACs.

[all american girl]

46. Thank you, that's what I wanted to know. I really wasn't sure about that.

That's what I like to hear.

[joshcryer]

58. The nomination process exists for a reason.

It's to choose the candidate for the general. Once the candidate is chosen yes, everyone will back them (though Clinton losing a second time could cause sour apples and she might give up caring).

That backing comes with SuperPACs and vast amounts of money and donations. There's no way that Sanders, winning the nomination, won't get that support (if anything the support would be far greater, because you're looking at a revolutionary campaign underdog triumph).

You might expect Clinton sour grapes but, again, that would bring out more grassroots support.

[daleanime]

37. Like when I was banned in Hillary Land....

for literally nothing?

[liberal N proud]

40. Must have touched the third rail

Which could be just about anything in that group.

[ejbr]

43. It is a legitimate queston

I don't have an answer, but I'm sure you realize the power of free publicity of the news media who will cover Bernie rallies; I also saw that there are many volunteers who promote him for free. Not sure how he might do it, but he speaks to my core and have no choice but to have faith we will figure it out should he become the nominee. Thanks for asking.

[Arkana]

51. So did I, don't take it personally.

[chillfactor]

54. same here...i also got booted and have no idea why...

those sanders supporters are surely touchy..they boot DUers for much of nothing...no discussion on sanders threads....ad you are nit allowed to ask a civil question.

[Arkana]

57. I actually frequent a different forum now

and I asked Bernie's supporters there about him.

They were perfectly obliging and willing to answer my questions without calling me a paid stooge for Hillary or something stupid like that. It was weird.

[Kelvin Mace]

61. Sorry you got bounced,

don't take it personally, I got bounced from the HRC forum.

Questions that can be in any way viewed as "critical" should be posted to this forum. Both sides are VERY touchy and quick on the trigger in their named forums.

It seems you got an answer to your question, so you learned several things.

You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger
And you can get banned from a candidate forum during primary season at the drop of a hat.

[Iggo]

63. Meta!

[Sissyk]

67. Locking.

No disruptive meta allowed in GD: Primaries.

Thank you for understanding!