David Axelrod on Chelsea's attack on Bernie: "It wasn't an honest attack"

[cali]

In other words Chelsea lied.

<snip>

Later in the day, Democratic strategist David Axelrod criticized the Clinton campaign for having Chelsea Clinton take a shot at Sanders. “It wasn’t an honest attack,” he said during an interview on CNN.

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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-defends-chelsea-clintons-attacks-bernie-sanders/story?id=36263047

[Jarqui]

1. When folks catch on to crap like that, it often backfires

[zazen]

2. yeah, "she sent her only daughter out to lie for her, to thousands of people"

Not very grandmotherly.

[ViseGrip]

6. No longer human, just a machine. I'm not looking for a 'grandmother' anyway.

[Helen Borg]

29. Robotic abuela?

[yuiyoshida]

38. i can picture that...

[d_legendary1]

49. I'd say more like this:

[Javaman]

63. or more like Mom from Futurama. nt

[winter is coming]

108. I hate you.

I'm never going to be able to get that out of my mind.

[PWPippin]

12. And it was done so awkwardly.

Given time and practice, she could get better.

[pangaia]

62. Better at lying, eh.

[CorporatistNation]

142. Just Goes To Show That The ENTIRE FAMILY Has Some Serious "Personal Character" Issues

!

[SusanCalvin]

105. Yeah, I must say this for her -

It didn't look like she was used to lying.

[ybbor]

27. Thousands?

I thought it was "millions, and millions, and millions" of people.

[cui bono]

97. It is "millions, and millions, and millions" on the internet.

[Truprogressive85]

3. Another misfire from Camp HRC

just like David Brock attacking Sanders , they think people are dumb and did not expect backlash

[deutsey]

14. I saw clips of her on "Ellen" that CBS showed the other day

If they were representative of the appearance, she really came off as looking clueless to me. It struck me as an example of her campaign desperately taking a page from Bill's old playbook of when he went on "Arsenio" back in '92.

That appearance of his was something new in American politics and it created a lot buzz around him. This "Ellen" appearance just looked tired and as if she were going through the motions.

I didn't see the actual show, however, so perhaps it went better than how CBS chose to distort it. God knows they have a great track record of doing that.

[CoffeeCat]

57. Have you seen her 75 minutes with the Des Moines Register Editorial Board?

I'm only 45 minutes into it. http://www.desmoinesregister.com/videos/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/01/11/78659498/

She's combative, defensive and she drones on in flatlined, underwhelming monotones.

It's very weird.

She didn't do very well in this interview. This is the pitch that candidates give to the Register to earn their endorsement. The Des Moines Register is the largest newspaper in Iowa and it's disseminated statewide. The endorsement is a very nice kudo to have. Hillary earned it in 2008. I would say that Hillary needs this. She needs anything and everything at this point. If Sanders gets it, it would be a real blow to her.

[Kentonio]

92. Wow, she really does look tired.

Has Bernie done his interview yet?

[CoffeeCat]

96. Bernie has met with the DSR editorial board

a few times, but I don't think he's met with them for the "big interview"--the one that is the big pitch for their endorsement.

I'll post the video here when it happens! Should be soon. Martin O' Malley goes today.

[Kentonio]

99. Thank you!

[swilton]

118. Thank you also!

[winter is coming]

127. Please make an OP once all three interviews have been done.

It will make for an interesting side-by-side comparison.

[CoffeeCat]

138. Will do!

[Juicy_Bellows]

120. Thanks for posting this - maybe consider an OP?

I am only a few minutes in and already my eyebrows have wriggled like a caterpillar.

8 minute mark - Jesus.

[Jesus Malverde]

133. Thanks for link...nt

[840high]

121. Bill had real charm - she doesn't.

[Betty Karlson]

65. They are conducting the last 20th century campaign. eom

[daybranch]

132. Is it not great that the people are not dumb? The Washington talking heads were so wrong.

The people understand when issues are presented honestly and straightforward as Bernie and Elizabeth Warren portray. The American people only look dumb when they have not had sufficient access to the truth. If given correct information, the American people can make the right choices. Our history lessons are replete throughout school with right wing propaganda. As W.E.B. DuBois told us, after the civil war we all became slaves, white and black alike, when the white rich capitalists of the north joined with the former slave owners of the south to exploit the resources of the south. If you really want the truth about our history you should read Howard Zion's "A People's History of America", a book a former right wing governor of Indiana wanted college courses using this book to be non-credit. It also discuses the positive role socialists have have had in eliminating barriers to women and African Americans in joining formerly all white male unions. It carries you through the Clinton presidency and addresses the impact of Bill's policies. It is a great read for those who want the truth.

[tazkcmo]

4. Swing and a miss!

Or more accurately a foul ball that hit's the most adorable child in the stadium in the head. On purpose.

[Armstead]

72. lol

[restorefreedom]

5. social media is on fire

the negative to positive comments about chelsea on twitter are at about 999/1.

another big step right in it by the deja vu campaign

[zazen]

15. I hope Bernie steps in to say he respects that a daughter is loyal to her mother

I don't want to see people pile on Chelsea. It's tacky. Yes she's a married 30-something mother-of-almost-two, but she's still a "child" in the context of this election. She was out of her league and is understandably loyal to her parents. How could she not be?

I hope Bernie says something gracious and compassionate about a daughter's loyalty, regrets that she lacks a command of the facts, and moves on.

Fortunately for us, Chelsea has demonstrated she's not qualified to be a "weapon" Hillary can deploy in this primary (nor should she ever have been), and for her own sake I hope she stays out of it from now on.

Done and done.

[winter is coming]

18. I hope he doesn't infantilize her in that way.

Chelsea's a well-educated adult, capable of making her own decisions--and taking the consequences for them.

[pengu]

21. Clinton herself has used this BS dating back to November

It's a coordinated lie. Who cares about Chelsea? Let's talk about how her dishonest campaign is repeatedly lying even after being called out on it.

[zazen]

24. rhetorically he should literally "infantilize" her--that'd be my advice anyway

Yes she's an adult mother of almost two, but the only reason she was "deployed" was in devotion to her mother, as her "enfant" (child).

Acknowledge the devotion, regret that she "misspoke," and thereby dismiss any further credibility she might have.

This simultaneously humanizes him by showing he gets that children are loyal to their parents, helps voters see that he's too much of a gentleman to beat up on someone's daughter, and puts the moral burden back on Hillary where it belongs for asking her daughter to do this.

I hope it's what he does strategically, but he's always great in interpersonal situations like this so I'm sure he'll handle it superbly and won't have staffers surfing DU posts for my advice.

[Babel_17]

77. The media might have this, and leave Sanders only having to say ...

"What needs to be said has been said, let's move on."

If it comes up at the debates he might be able to add "I accept Secretary Clinton's explanation.".

[zazen]

80. yep. Thank heavens. Sad for Chelsea but it did just fall in our lap. n/t

[winter is coming]

91. No. Chelsea's already torpedoed her own credibility.

Treating her as if she has no agency, as if her ability to reason has been incapacitated by familial obligation, would be misogynistic.

Chelsea is not "someone's daughter". She's an adult, and should be treated like any other campaign surrogate. The last thing the Sanders campaign should do is metaphorically pat her on the head and say, "poor misguided child." All it needs to do, and probably all it will do, is say that her assertions were false.

[SusanaMontana41]

126. 100 percent correct. eom

[CTyankee]

125. I heard one of his responses and he corrected the message, not the messenger...

I don't think he would go on personal attack against her...that just isn't him...also he has great respect for women. What a lovely man he is...

[cui bono]

98. Exactly. And she lied to smear a good person.

[Gene Debs]

22. "Tacky"!? Seriously? If anything was tacky, it was

Chelsea's campaign debut.

I don't mind in the least seeing people pile on Chelsea. It was a stunningly tone-deaf, ham-fisted move on the Clinton camp's part, and she richly deserves to get piled on for it. Chelsea chose to get in the ring and make public statements that were glaring, obvious, demonstrative lies; neither she nor anyone else has any call to get butthurt when it backfires badly and bites them in the ass. And no, she's not "still a child" in the context of this election. Gimme a break. As you pointed out yourself, she's a thirty-five-year-old mother of two married to a Wall Street One-Percenter. She slung a big wet, sloppy handful of mud and it somehow ended up all over her. Too bad.

And I hope Bernie remains resolutely quiet about the whole thing and simply allows Clinton's campaign to further damage itself.

[zazen]

26. y'all do get that we're going to need some of these Clinton supporters in Nov?

Twenty percent of them are so die hard I think they won't vote, or they'll write someone else in, or they'll run a third party candidate. Another 20% don't read these boards and won't care. The middle? At times we need to soften it just because we're going to have to figure out a way to get along.

When something like this happens, yes, let the enraged people get enraged, but I guess I was speaking from the position of the Bernie campaign. . . . you've been handed a great opportunity to look gracious while simultaneously dismissing one of the mostly stupidly deployed potential asset of your opponent's.

Infantilization is exactly what you do. Pity and disappointment are much more effective than dignifying the behavior with rage.

Whatever. Bernie's about to win the first two primaries, and we're all jazzed about that.

[Cassiopeia]

74. They got over it in '08

they'll do the same thing in '16

Clinton is running the same campaign. Thankfully.

[Marty McGraw]

101. Very True!

Wonder if 2 is enough of a learning curve for her... the head does tend to become more oxidized with age, though...

[Babel_17]

78. Pragmatic voters who won't mind voting for a proud proponent of a progressive Democratic platform

The excessive alliteration was accidental.

[sammythecat]

90. Good post, I agree 100%

Medicare is quite literally a life and death issue and to come out and deliberately try to deceive voters by telling a slanderous lie is nothing short of despicable and immoral.

I used to be a big fan of the Clintons. I stayed up all night watching the election night party when Bill was first elected. I had such high hopes for him and I hoped Hillary would one day be President. I really thought it was the proverbial "dawning of a new era". Over the years, however, I've learned things, and now I can't stomach the sight or sound of either one of them. Both are highly intelligent, completely self-serving habitual liars who will say absolutely anything to further their own ambitions. Listening to such people is an utter waste of time.

Sadly, but not too surprisingly, it appears Chelsea might be just like them.

[John Poet]

141. Not as if it's Chelsea's first campaign, either.

She was an active surrogate eight years ago.

[cali]

23. No, she's not a child in any context. She's a daughter.

[restorefreedom]

32. if it makes you feel better,

the comments were not personal, mostly critical of her lying about his health care plan. i think bernie will probably, if pressed, say something like "i am running against hillary clinton and i am not going to comment on the candidate's children" or something. she is an adult, but since as you point out, she is not very effective, there is no reason for the bernie campaign to even engage her.

yes, done.

[zazen]

35. I also wasn't personally criticizing you but the supposed social media posts

I haven't even read, but when people were saying "social media" was on fire about her, I was hoping that she's not being anonymously attacked and demonized, because that only makes her sympathetic (plus, I just don't like doing that.)

I "anonymously" criticize a few people, including Debbie (whom I've met and would say this to her face if asked), but I try not to pile on, especially with women, because there's so much comparatively greater vitriole against women on the net anyway.

I didn't think you had written anything in particular--I don't even know exactly what you wrote. I was responding more generally that we need to let the people in these cases self-destruct and apply the 'disappointment' frame rather than the equal combatant frame.

Disappointment in this case dismisses them just if not more effectively, while alienating fewer people whom we are going to need on our side.

[restorefreedom]

40. oh i didn't take it as a criticism at all

and yes, it could make her sympathetic, but the cool thing is since they were focused on the lie and not the liar, it did not get personal and ugly for the most part.

sticking to the issues just like berners do!

[sarge43]

34. That loyality justification is just one step away from "I was only following orders."

It really isn't a good CYA.

An adult can say no to mommy and daddy and still love them.

[lastone]

47. Very well said

I hope the Sanders camp reads your post.

[Babel_17]

75. She's extremely well educated and had a high paying career in the finance sector

She's been around politics all her life (she's 35), and has been coyly suggested to be a potentially big star of the next generation of Democratic politicians running for/serving at the top spots.

But I do agree that it would be cool for Sanders to be completely gracious about somebody supporting their parent in an election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Clinton#Professional_life

[ljm2002]

81. OFFS...

...Chelsea Clinton has a fucking PhD from Oxford University. She is more than capable of deciding for herself how far she is willing to go to support her mother's candidacy. Obviously, she decided she is willing to do whatever it takes, damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead. Which would be fine, except for the blatant lying part.

Claiming that Bernie will take away social safety nets before he has any replacement for them -- in other words, equating his positions with those of Republicans -- is simply dishonest. She deserves to be called on this. She is no child, not anymore.

[SandersDem]

106. completely agree AND....

removing social safety nets? Not likely to be advocated by a democratic socialist either. The track record of honesty and consistency of opinion lies with Bernie, not HC. Most informed Dems can see right through this feat. It is the uninformed casual Dems she is targeting, that means Bernie has to defend, even against lies.

I would normally say it is time for the candidate to come out and throw a few lies out about HC, but only a few would believe things like "She is an honest politician who has been consistent on the issues throughout her career"....

I will stop now because if I said what I am thinking in this moment it may result in a ban.

[sabrina 1]

86. Grown women in their thirties with all the advantages Chelsea has had do not need to be defended

when they choose to involve themselves in a political campaign. I hope Sanders respects her as a woman enough to take her seriously and simply make the necessary corrections to the lies she chose to tell about his HC proposals. That can be done adult to adult without treating her like a child. She is not a child, she made a decision.. She is free to stand up for her mother and to lie while doing so.

But the people are entitled to the facts and if someone chooses to lie, they should expect to be corrected.

Reagan's children never lied for him and I'm sure they loved their mother and father as much as Chelsea does.

[davidpdx]

137. I agree that is the best thing to do

I thought there was an unwritten rule about candidate's children being off limits. But putting your grown children out there to campaign for you (which Hillary Clinton clearly has done) and then instructing them to lie (because I have no doubt she knows the difference between right and wrong) does one thing. It paints a target on their head. Once the child of a candidate comes out and not only campaigns, but also lies, then they are fair game.

I'm sure Senator Sanders will take the high road and not stoop to the Clinton's level.

[840high]

122. She is not a child.

[Skwmom]

7. The apple does not fall far from the tree. n/t

[FlatBaroque]

46. Nope. She is in the family business now

Professional Liar

[dae]

102. +1 and twitter has been on fire since she

opened her mouth.
Hillary has stumbled from 1 fiasco 2 another in the last week or so.

[Segami]

8. KICK & R.

[firebrand80]

9. The problem Bernie has here

Is that he hasn't released a detailed Health Care plan. When you don't have a detailed plan you open yourself up to your rivals defining your plan for you.

[zazen]

13. that's fair--and I look forward to his plan being released n/t

[SHRED]

17. Single Payer isn't defined yet?

Wow...really?

[firebrand80]

28. There are different ways to accomplish that goal

He hasn't laid out how he would get there. He has a general plan, but not a detailed plan.

[SHRED]

33. No one forced Hillary to fill in the 'blank' with a lie

This was a terrible unforced error she will regret.

[firebrand80]

36. quite possible nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

37. Very true ...

And while I support single-payer (Medicare for All) ... as a resident of the "Great State of Arizona", I am leery of any plan that shifts the administration of any social safety net program to the states. I have zero confidence that Governors (particularly, Red State, Governors) will administer the plan in a manner consistent with the federal intent.

This is the reason that Democrats and progressives have, historically, resisted the Block Granting of social safety net programming.

[firebrand80]

44. GOP Governors wouldn't deny healthcare to their people

for purely ideological reasons, would they???

[SDJay]

56. Of Course They Would.

It's happened more times than I can count since a scary black man was elected. Look at what's happening in Kentucky right now. Look at all of the states that have played games with Medicaid. Yep, they'll do this for sure.

I guess I would quibble a bit in that I don't think it's ideological reasons - they just hate black men who are smarter than they are as do a lot of their voters. That's really not ideological.

[firebrand80]

70. White Supremacy is an ideology nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

60. LOL ... History would suggest otherwise. eom.

[SusanCalvin]

109. Did you forget the sarcasm thingie? nt

[eridani]

131. So--explain how the GOP has stopped people over 65 from getting Medicare

The actual administrative details are in fact pretty local. My plan is administered by my local Group health HMO.

[Betty Karlson]

66. The Third Way plan has failed. Let's go with the alternative: single payer. eom

[Armstead]

76. At this point it is better to set a goal, because there are many possible paths

There are many possible ways Sanders could move towards this goal.

He could take incremental steps over time -- such as starting with a limited public option with the idea of expanding it, coupled with further regulation of private insurance. Or he could press for a universally available public option.

Or he could go further and present a sweeping plan to Congress and let them pick away.

At this point, IMO, it';s more effective to make the concept a priority without Not pinning himself down to one specific ten-point plan is smart, IMO.

[firebrand80]

88. Politically, specifics might be overrated

How many voters pay attention past soundbites anyway?

There are advantages to not pinning yourself down, but like I said, it comes with some risk as well.

[Armstead]

89. True. Frankly as a Sanders supporter....

I would prefer that he be a little more specific about possible options, such as expansion of Medicare on an optional basis as a possible step to single payer eventually.

But overall I agree with Sanders that it's best to fight for theoverall concept, and show the benefits, rather than get bogged down in eye glazing specifics at this point.

[Scootaloo]

114. So... which is it?

The problem Bernie has here Is that he hasn't released a detailed Health Care plan. When you don't have a detailed plan you open yourself up to your rivals defining your plan for you.

or

Politically, specifics might be overrated. How many voters pay attention past soundbites anyway? There are advantages to not pinning yourself down, but like I said, it comes with some risk as well.

[firebrand80]

116. What I mean is

in political campaigns we often hear about the need for candidates to lay out specific proposals. I don't think that's necessarily true.

There are risks and benefits to both approaches. One of the risks in not laying out specifics is that you leave yourself open to interpretations that you can't control.

[bvar22]

104. Expanding Medicare to cover EVERYBODY has not been defined yet?

LOL

Bernie Sanders introduces single-payer bill in Senate
May 12, 2011
HR676... Expanding Medicare to cover ALL Americans

"Sanders’ legislation is a revised version of the bill he introduced last year. It has a companion bill in the House, H.R. 1200, sponsored by Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash.

McDermott was also present for the announcement. Speakers in support of the measure included Arlene Holt Baker, executive vice-president of the AFL-CIO, and Jean Ross, R.N., co-president of National Nurses United.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2011/may/bernie-sanders-introduces-single-payer-bill-in-senate

[eridani]

130. Yes he does--his own senate bill

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2011/may/bernie-sanders-introduces-single-payer-bill-in-senate.

Although he should probably provide that link on his site.

[firebrand80]

135. Has he said that's his plan? nt

[eridani]

140. Of course. An actual bill is pretty detailed. Better to stick to the basic underlying value--

--everybody in and nobody out.

[Punkingal]

10. Axelrod is an Obama person...so is Biden. Not so sure Obama supports Hillary.

[DemocraticWing]

100. I'm not sure how they feel about Bernie

But there IS a divide between the Obama and the Clinton people, and it's something that isn't really acknowledged or discussed much. I don't think people realize how much the Clintons dislike Obama; they hitched their wagon to him from 2008-2012 for the good of the party, but Hillary was a shoo-in to be President in 2008 and he got in her way. I think Obama's feelings are more befuddlement at the lengths to which Hillary will go to become President, stemming from the racial dog-whistles in 2008.

If he was forced to endorse I'm sure it would be Hillary. They are closer in position and they are ultimately team players. But sometimes teammates don't like each other.

[truebluegreen]

115. Mostly agree

except I don't think the Clintons hitched their wagon to Obama for the good of the party, but rather for the good of the Clintons, specifically Hillary.

Granted, I don't care for either Clinton much so that could influence me.

[safeinOhio]

11. There goes HRC chance to be the first

female Vice President.

[gordyfl]

16. Good Answer by Hillary

That was a pretty good answer by Hillary.
If she hit the Power Ball she would fund her own campaign.

[840high]

123. If she hits Powerball - I'll

know there is no God.

[raindaddy]

19. Nooooooo Chelsea!! You don't have to become part of the Clinton machine...

Come into the light!!

[hollowdweller]

20. Chelsea is more beholden to the finance sector than Hillary is.

IIRC she got a high paying job at a hedge fund right out of college.

Expecting Chelsea to support Bernie is like expecting a coal miner to support Obama.

[raindaddy]

25. After watching her performance it's clear she's still a sh*tty liar..

It's going to take years before she becomes as accomplished as her parents.. If you ever watched Star Wars or Lord of the Rings. You know the myth... There's still time for Chelsea... And a little humor.

[Helen Borg]

31. Yep, they got Chelsea while she was a baby...

What a shame...

[callous taoboy]

58. Isn't her husband a Goldman-Sachs exec.?

[840high]

124. Making 2 million a year. Their

worth is 18 million.

[Helen Borg]

30. Yes, but, any person with half a brain...

Would give no weight whatsoever to what Chelsea said, just because of the obvious conflict of interest she would have...

[raindaddy]

41. I'm sure the strategy was to roll out the daughter to lie about Sander's health care proposal ....

because they realize neither Hillary or Bill have much credibility on the national stage.. They've seen the polls just like we have 60% of the public believe Hillary isn't trustworthy...

Personally if I were a Clinton supporter this would be the turning point for me...

[Helen Borg]

45. So, now they busted poor Chelsea's reputation too!

[raindaddy]

50. Yep....She was obviously uncomfortable....

Considering the flack they're getting I wonder if they're having second thoughts?

[bunnies]

39. I find it really sad that camp Clinton put her out to lie like that.

They had to know what would happen. *smh*

[AlbertCat]

61. put her out to lie like that.

Really.

Trotting your daughter out to spread misinformation.

Who's next? Liz Cheney?

[ljm2002]

82. She had a choice in the matter...

...she's been around politics for her whole life.

She is a grown woman. Had it been a son, would you say the same thing about "and they put their own son out there to lie for them"?

You went up on stage and said what you said, Chelsea. You own it.

[bunnies]

84. I agree that it was her own decision.

I just have a hard time with the fact that a Mother would even *ask* her child (male or female) to do something like that. I suppose Chelsea could have offered though. Who knows. So much for Chelsea's reputation either way.

[bluestateguy]

42. What is the definition of a lie?

Serious question.

[cali]

43. A statement or claim that is factually false

[Helen Borg]

54. Close, but a bit more complex than that...

Last edited Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:59 PM - Edit history (1)

If I say something factually false but I think it is true, then I'm not lying, technically.

A lie is something one tries to convince you is true, even though one believes it is false.

Lying requires the intention to convince you of something I believe is false.

I think Chelsea was lying.

[ljm2002]

83. Chelsea damn well knows...

...that Bernie would not be pulling the rug out from under people's health care without having the alternative system already in place. Chelsea damn well knows that "Medicare for all" does not equal "removing Medicare".

She was lying.

[Helen Borg]

87. Agreed.

[Armstead]

79. In this context, it is deliberatly trying to create the opposite imnpression from the truth

Criticizing Sander's health care platform as unrealistic, too sweeping or whatever is arguing on an h9onest basis. It can be disagreed with and debated, but starting out on the actual truth of what Sander's proposal is.

But totally misrepresenting Sanders plan and goals is dishonest/ And scaring people with lies that he is trying to dismantle the entire health system -- including all public programs -- fits into the definition of a lie.

[dogman]

48. Apparently the hedge apple doesn't fall far from the hedge.

Medicare for all destroys Medicare? Unbelievably disappointing.

[Sienna86]

51. All for the prize.

Enormous power and wealth.

I hope if I were in a similar situation I would have the moral fortitude to say no.

[Fumesucker]

52. Clearly Bernie is an awful person for forcing Chelsea to lie like this

If he had followed the script and maxed out at five percent like he was supposed to none of this would be happening.

Bad Bernie, bad...

[cali]

53. So true. How dare that peon?

[Helen Borg]

55. Such cruelty. Cornering the Clintons like that!

[SDJay]

59. Yet ANOTHER Example

of the Clinton campaign shooting itself in the foot. Given its propensity to do this along with all of the hate that's been pent up for more than 20 years from the nutballs in Repuke land, this is what makes me nervous about Hillary in the GE. I'm concerned she'd just add speed and size to any snowball that comes rolling down the hill, no matter how silly it may be at the beginning. Before you know it you have a media-fueled feeding frenzy and an imploding campaign. It's not that she hasn't been the victim of a lot of idiotic and totally fake 'scandals' over the years, as she has. The whole family has. It's that she brings some of them on herself (like with this dumb move) and adds fuel to the fire of many of these pretend 'issues' that she didn't start.

I just don't see Sanders doing that. When 'issues' or 'controversies' have popped up with him in the past, he gives them their due attention - which is hardly any at all - and dismisses them summarily only to move on to what he's trying to say. If Hillary handled this crappola the same way, she'd still be leading in the polls by a huge margin, IMO.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

64. Just like her mother and daddy. No surprise here. She knows how to lie and defame people's

character the same way.

[S. Laysi]

67. They had No, Nada intentions of trying to be "honest "...

[Duval]

68. I really thought Hillary was smarter than this. What a fiasco!

[cali]

69. I don't think it's stupid. I think it's a calculated gamble

[Art_from_Ark]

128. Their calculator appears to be broken

[Hell Hath No Fury]

71. It was bullshit like this --

back in 2008 that pushed me into the Obama camp. I wasn't thrilled with EITHER candidate to be honest, but when I started to see these kind of underhanded politics coming from the Clinton campaign I then knew who I didn't want to support. If you can't make your case honestly and on the issues, I really have no use for you.

[SusanCalvin]

110. Same thing happened to me.

I made my first ever pre-general contribution, to Obama, because of Hillary's "I'm OK, McCain's OK, but I dunno about that Obama fella."

[davidpdx]

136. You are talking about this gem:

Edit: Oh and this one....

Some people are A-OK with supporting Hillary Clinton despite her continuous lies in both the 2008 campaign and in this one.

[Babel_17]

73. The referees look to be forming a consensus ruling

If they rule against her, that's going to be bad for Chelsea, this was her debut in playing the role of a hard hitting advocate, and even worse for her mother who put her up to it.

If it's the case that "everybody knows it was a bad move", then we might see this getting asked about at the debate. Chelsea being used in the first place to go negative on Sanders is another thing, and it would compound the issue of her having a flag dropped on her play by the referees. All in all, it's prime fodder for being asked about in the next debate.

Edit: spelling of "referees".

[Jarqui]

85. A picture says a 1000 words ..

credit to this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511002697

[SusanCalvin]

111. Good find!

[Jarqui]

113. Indeed but to be clear

the folks in this thread (that I linked above), arcane1, deserve that credit
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511002697

[Peace Patriot]

129. LOL!!!

Yeah, I did--I LAUGHED OUT LOUD!!!



Pic worth much more than a 1,000 words. How about a billion?

[Z_California]

93. This is a sincere question and I hope this isn't lazy

But who on Earth is advising HRC? Is it the same crew as 2008? It seems like she can't take take one step without getting shit all over her shoes. Bill Clinton was one of the smoothest on point politicians I can ever remember (besides our current President of course). Hillary and her staff? The incompetence is obvious.

[Ferd Berfel]

94. An Adult Speaks

Interesting

[azmom]

95. So much fail with the Clinton campaign

We better hope Sanders wins the primary.

[Kalidurga]

103. Sorry I am having a hard time getting past David Axelrod

He seems like a camp Hillary type and he is saying this? Perhaps I read him wrong but he seems to be a stand up guy for the Democratic Establishment and not the type to defend Bernie. Again I could be so very wrong I don't pay attention to much to talking heads.

[billhicks76]

107. Honest Clinton An Oxymoron

[Rosa Luxemburg]

112. Chelsea appeared lame and unprepared

[INdemo]

117. So this links goes to abc news with Hillary and her Clinton connection George

Stephannopolis and tries to acts as if Chelsea did this on her own without any prep from her campaign handlers is bullshit.
Gotta keep in mind here George is a Hillary shill,he contributed to her camaign PAC and maxed personal contributions from both he and his wife to her. Certainly its legal but isn't a journalist suppose to put themselves above the falsehood of apolitical candidates.
You know within the last week Stephanapolis discribed Bernie Sanders as a "Communist,a Socialist,a Democratic Socialist or whatever" (just last week-end)

He should been called on this by ABC but he wasn't.So anything with George and Hillary interviews is just George being a mouthpiece for Hillary.

[Geronimoe]

119. Further proof that...

the nut doesn't fall far from the tree. Shame on you Chelsea Clinton.

[secondwind]

134. "Since when do Americans attack one another on Universal Healthcare? I thought we were trying to

realize Harry Truman's dream?!!!"

~Hillary Clinton~
February 2008

[Ivan Kaputski]

139. Why does anyone with half a brain listen to an oligarchy princess?

[LWolf]

143. K & R