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BREAKING: Eric Holder endorses Hillary (Original Post) FlatBaroque Jan 2016 OP
Another sacrifice to the bus. RandySF Jan 2016 #1
It's no longer a sacrafice. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #5
He came from a corporate Wall Street defense firm. Dustlawyer Jan 2016 #86
It's a match made in heaven. floriduck Jan 2016 #126
private sector enid602 Jan 2016 #129
private sector enid602 Jan 2016 #131
Tourette's? floriduck Jan 2016 #133
expert enid602 Jan 2016 #134
He always been controversial here. cali Jan 2016 #6
People liked Holder? LittleBlue Jan 2016 #16
Most of the Democratic coalition DID, and continues to, like/respect Holder. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #20
Did you keep a straight face typing that? His biggest fans were from Wall Street LittleBlue Jan 2016 #34
Yes ... maintaining a straight face was pretty easy. No, his biggest fans ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #43
Thank you JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #101
I was about to post something similar. Lots of black folks know the work that Holder/Obama Number23 Jan 2016 #107
You are too kind ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #111
Holder is beholden to Wall Street. JRLeft Jan 2016 #48
That is a declaration without foundation. eom 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #72
He was a corporate lawyer for years, he never went after high level executives as AG. JRLeft Jan 2016 #75
Garbage prism, garbage conclusion ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #82
To big to Jail zipplewrath Jan 2016 #84
And this is related to criminally prosecuting executives, how? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #92
We didn't zipplewrath Jan 2016 #94
These are two, very different, concepts ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #97
Why would a bank collapsing be a bad thing? PyaarRevolution Jan 2016 #135
Because the inter-connectedness of bank, it wouldn't be ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #139
He had different sides Armstead Jan 2016 #51
This is true ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #71
Did his dithering and thumb-twiddling on police abuse win you over? Scootaloo Jan 2016 #130
Wall Street Lawyer... Now Back To Wall Street... CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #144
Eric Holder had to be dragged kicking and screaming into leaving marijuana dispenaries alone. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #124
Love it. Such a respectable person. Great endorsement. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #2
Shocked. The dem establishment supports the establishment candidate cali Jan 2016 #3
Birds of a feather. eom Snotcicles Jan 2016 #81
! NV Whino Jan 2016 #4
What about former Attorney General do you find worthy of ridicule? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #18
In my opinion NV Whino Jan 2016 #28
I will have to respectfully demur from your assessment... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #32
This has absolutely nothing to do with race. floriduck Jan 2016 #128
What about St.Louis? PyaarRevolution Jan 2016 #136
They found something or heads would not have rolled. floriduck Jan 2016 #140
If you don't believe Attorney General Holder acquitted himself admirably,,, DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #141
You and I will agree to disagree. floriduck Jan 2016 #142
Why would she say that? You may not like her, but she's not an ignoramus. Tanuki Jan 2016 #49
Not ridicule -- But he represents the Big Bucks revolving door Armstead Jan 2016 #56
You're absolutely right NV Whino Jan 2016 #89
Clive Bundy. GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #104
That will change nothing. bluedigger Jan 2016 #7
FIXED DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #11
LOL NorthCarolina Jan 2016 #12
Do you doubt that the endorsement of the first Black AG ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #33
+1. That was my thought. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #31
I guess you have a lot more faith in Holder's popularity amonst "heterogenous" voters. bluedigger Jan 2016 #36
If you believe... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #42
But ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #44
I am not going to begrudge anybody an endorsement DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #46
"When news breaks... Ron Green Jan 2016 #8
Given Holder's deep abiding ties to Wall $treet that's no big surprise 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #9
....! Nailed it! KoKo Jan 2016 #29
There is more to campaigning in the Democratic Party ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #35
I couldn't agree more. 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #103
Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #112
Wow, the endorsement of the AG who refused to prosecute Wall Street criminals. NorthCarolina Jan 2016 #10
AMAZING! Isn't it? The guy who wouldn't investigate and prosecute her TOP DONORS! in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #13
Correction ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #45
Surprise, surprise!!! Not much. nt 7wo7rees Jan 2016 #14
ROFL Oilwellian Jan 2016 #21
Again ... prosecute WHO for WHAT? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #37
It takes a special kind of person NorthCarolina Jan 2016 #41
Well ... yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #47
Facts like ummm NorthCarolina Jan 2016 #57
Ummm ... We're talking about AG Holder legacy ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #90
Facts. NorthCarolina Jan 2016 #91
Different topic, but ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #95
It will be a NATIONAL program, if you are implying that Governors will be able to decline NorthCarolina Jan 2016 #96
Tell me ... Why do Democrats and progressive oppose/resist the Block Granting ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #99
He did what?!? Wilms Jan 2016 #15
I'm holding out for Tim Geithner. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #17
What about former Attorney General do you find worthy of ridicule? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #19
The fact that he was on Wall Street's side. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #25
LOL n/t Oilwellian Jan 2016 #23
LOL! Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #24
hah! Yes, that would finally change my mind. The man is a visionary. zazen Jan 2016 #53
I don't believe the endorsement is targeted at you DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #55
. mmonk Jan 2016 #67
LOL azmom Jan 2016 #78
fingers crossed! Enrique Jan 2016 #117
How about Richard S. Fuld, Jr.? jfern Jan 2016 #122
Oh, well, then, that's a deal-breaker. Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #22
Now I have the giggles, damnit LOL n/t Oilwellian Jan 2016 #26
Frankly another endorsement from a party leader that voters book_worm Jan 2016 #27
I would suggest, large segments of the Democratic coalition ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #39
Or maybe not DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #50
One tool of Wall Street endorsing another? eom guillaumeb Jan 2016 #30
Bingo. n/t TDale313 Jan 2016 #77
Giggles here too. Autumn Jan 2016 #38
From the responses so far from the feelers of the Bern, it's no wonder people regard Sanders Tanuki Jan 2016 #40
But, you clearly don't understand ... none of that matters ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #54
It matters -- but so do other things Armstead Jan 2016 #59
... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #85
I have reflected on that a lot. The comment is an expression of long and deeply held views Armstead Jan 2016 #87
Okay ... you didn't address my point; but, okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #98
You are distorting my point Armstead Jan 2016 #100
I know what you have written ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #108
I'm fine with what I see in the mirror -- but not in your disrtored one Armstead Jan 2016 #110
How is anything I've written dismissive or a distortion or a false assumption? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #113
I am only taking the time to respond because... Armstead Jan 2016 #119
Re-read your posts in this thread ... notice who you responded to with the Big Picture thing ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #121
You and Democrat Since Birth...And your point is...? Armstead Jan 2016 #123
Whose interests have you cast as narrow? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #125
if you interpret the word narrow as dismissive... Armstead Jan 2016 #132
Okay. But trust me, I have no reason to look for stuff to be offended by ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #137
Or maybe we just know more about Holder Oilwellian Jan 2016 #70
of course--he let Wall Street off hook for years. Not surprised at all. n/t zazen Jan 2016 #52
Despite the heroic effort in this thread to polish a tool whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #58
Or maybe not DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #60
What voters, she doesn't already have, is Holder supposed to provide? whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #63
All she literally has to do is hold on to them and his support can do anything but hurt. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #65
There's a lot of daylight between stellar endorsement and whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #68
Not a surprise. She's his kind of politician. n/t Skwmom Jan 2016 #61
Like our outstanding president who made him his Attorney Gerneral DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #69
Add me onto the PS JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #102
Any time DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #145
I'm no longer surprised by any of this Empowerer Jan 2016 #143
The best thing Holder ever did was to quit tularetom Jan 2016 #62
If I was one of Hillary many advisors I would FlatBaroque Jan 2016 #83
The undercarriage of the Sanders' bus must be overcrowded by now. Beacool Jan 2016 #64
First time a standard endorsement helps the OTHER Dem candidates. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #66
LOL, I was thinking the same thing! n/t winter is coming Jan 2016 #73
Oligarchs supporting the Oligarchs? Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #74
Fuggedabout it. The more the Establishment lines up behind Hillary, the more I want Bernie. highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #76
Birds of feather....... bowens43 Jan 2016 #79
Where did he find time to pull his puckered lips .... 99Forever Jan 2016 #80
Wow silenttigersong Jan 2016 #88
Controversial to say the least silenttigersong Jan 2016 #93
True colors ... EffieBlack Jan 2016 #105
Yep. And they are so blissfully clueless as to actually be PROUD of it too Number23 Jan 2016 #109
Notice ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #115
I would have thrown a parade in my back yard had someone gone to jail over that shit Number23 Jan 2016 #116
I would have been cheering the loudest and for the same reason ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #120
Wow: elite Wall Street lawyer endorses the status quo candidate? Color me surprised. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #106
how awful..... ViseGrip Jan 2016 #114
lol "Breaking" Enrique Jan 2016 #118
Typical. TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #127
Great endorsement. I'd like to see him on the ticket. ucrdem Jan 2016 #138

Dustlawyer

(10,487 posts)
86. He came from a corporate Wall Street defense firm.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jan 2016

Refused to go after both Wall Street and BP. Pure corporate POS who fits well with Hillary.

When we gave him BP's dirty documents and asked for their probation to be revoked (BP was on probation for their 2005 Texas City plant explosion that killed 15 and injured thiusands) after the Deepwater Horizon debacle. Holder let them off of probation EARLY instead!!!

enid602

(8,429 posts)
129. private sector
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 07:27 PM
Jan 2016

That's right. Anyone with a private sector background is suspect and corrupt. Heck, Bernie's last private sector gig was the occassional carpentry job in Northern Vermont in the early '70's, in between unempolyment stints. That's why he's the expert.

enid602

(8,429 posts)
131. private sector
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 07:41 PM
Jan 2016

That's right. Anyone with a private sector background is suspect and corrupt. Heck, Bernie's last private sector gig was the occassional carpentry job in Northern Vermont in the early '70's, in between unempolyment stints. That's why he's the expert.

enid602

(8,429 posts)
134. expert
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 08:10 PM
Jan 2016

Cell phone. Easy to dup, and delete function does not work. Does he have private sector experience I don't know about?

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
16. People liked Holder?
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 11:44 AM
Jan 2016

News to me. He was basically the corporatist political shield against criticism that Obama wasn't doing enough against abusive police departments.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
20. Most of the Democratic coalition DID, and continues to, like/respect Holder.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 11:48 AM
Jan 2016

A key to determine whether he was liked or not, can be found in the usage of terms like, "corporatist shield" ... those of us that see/are affected by more than economics, tend not to place such emphasis on those boogey man terms.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
34. Did you keep a straight face typing that? His biggest fans were from Wall Street
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 11:57 AM
Jan 2016

Dude was a stooge for racist police departments and hedge fund managers.

His clients at Covington and Burling are... you get one guess. That's right, multinational corporations (including Halliburton).

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
43. Yes ... maintaining a straight face was pretty easy. No, his biggest fans ...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:14 PM
Jan 2016

are found among the Black community for his Civil Rights work AND his TAKING ON the racist police departments (see: Ferguson and Cleveland, before that).

His clients at Covington and Burling are... you get one guess. That's right, multinational corporations (including Halliburton).


Wow ... you have AG Holder's client list? Or, do you just NOT know how law firms operate; particularly, with respect to their partners.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
107. I was about to post something similar. Lots of black folks know the work that Holder/Obama
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 05:23 PM
Jan 2016

has done. Many of us feel that we will never know the full potential from these men because of Republican interference and yet, in spite of all of that, they did alot.

For people who keep their eyeballs pinned to Black Twitter for anything that embarrasses Hillary no matter how banal and pretend so much to care about the black vote, it's kind of hilarious that so many here don't seem to know this.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
111. You are too kind ...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jan 2016

it wasn't only republican interference that obstructed President Obama and AG Holder from reaching their full potential. We witness so much on this board.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
82. Garbage prism, garbage conclusion ...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jan 2016

And Payton Manning was the Quarterback for the Colts for years; but when he suited up for Denver, he played his heart out. Job/career choices are a political statement only on the internet.

Maybe you can answer: Which high-level executives, banking or otherwise, should he have "gone after" and for what?

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
84. To big to Jail
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:14 PM
Jan 2016

Holder has this history dating back to 2000.

The government has yet to prosecute any big banks or major executives for their role in the meltdown, and critics have derided Holder and his Justice Department for using the collateral damage argument as an excuse for not doing enough to hold those institutions accountable. The DOJ came under fire last year after declining to prosecute HSBC for years of money laundering violations, saying that to do so would bring too much damage to the global economy.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
94. We didn't
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:53 PM
Jan 2016

And it is because Holder had a history of not wanting to prosecute institutions that might effect the economy that dates back to at least 2000. He was the inspiration for the phrase "too big to jail".

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
97. These are two, very different, concepts ...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:59 PM
Jan 2016

failing to criminally prosecute an institution, where doing so would likely bring about a global banking collapse, is very different from failing to prosecute banking executives.

"too big to jail" is a sound bite that has little relevance in the real world, despite its inaccuracy.

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
135. Why would a bank collapsing be a bad thing?
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 08:24 PM
Jan 2016

That's what the FDIC is for. If the people with the big money past that limit lose their shirts it's hard for me to feel sorry for them. If they have that much money they should be informed enough to know they're past their limit.
I have my money in a Credit Union and those would survive because they don't make high risk investments while the Big Banks do. When the banking crash happened, ONE Credit Union collapsed. ONE. You're one strong black man, don't you support strong local institutions?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
139. Because the inter-connectedness of bank, it wouldn't be ...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 08:50 PM
Jan 2016
A bank ... just like it wasn't just A bank collapsing in 1929. And, FDIC would be no where near what would be necessary to restore global banking security.

You're one strong black man, don't you support strong local institutions?


Absolutely! I am a strong advocate of breaking up the big banks and boring banking that's why I have most of our money in a local credit union and a (relatively small) regional bank ... both organizations, I know the Presidents/CEOs, personally.

But, I know enough about banking to know that wherever my money is parked, it is at risk (even with FDIC and the credit union equivalent) should one of the big boys go down. And, I like eating every day.
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
51. He had different sides
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jan 2016

He was good on civil rights issues and social justice. He should be complimented for that. And for his previoius record in the justice system.

But he also previously worked in private corporate law defending big banks and otehr large corporations. He was not so good on enforcing true accountability in the corporate and financial sectors. And that also DOES affect everyone.

The fact that he eased back over to a big bucks job the corporate/financial law sector after he left the administration is too much of a reflection of the cronyism and elitism that bothers many about the current state of the Democratic Party and its leadership.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
71. This is true ...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:46 PM
Jan 2016
He was good on civil rights issues and social justice. He should be complimented for that. And for his previoius record in the justice system.


And, that is the strength of his endorsement.

But he also previously worked in private corporate law defending big banks and otehr large corporations.


And Patton Manning was a hell of a Quarterback for Indianapolis ... before he was a hell of a Quarterback for Denver. And, each game he played his heart out against his former team.

Again, a job choice is ONLY a political statement on the internet.

He was not so good on enforcing true accountability in the corporate and financial sectors. And that also DOES affect everyone.


Again, ignoring the near billion dollars in civil prosecutions and settlements that he extracted, WHO could/should he have prosecuted criminally, and for WHAT?

The fact that he eased back over to a big bucks job the corporate/financial law sector after he left the administration is too much of a reflection of the cronyism and elitism that bothers many about the current state of the Democratic Party and its leadership.


Do you have any idea what AG Holder is doing in private practice? Do you have any idea how law firms work ... particularly, partners in law firms.

I would suggest that much of the "reflection of the cronyism and elitism that bothers many about the current state of the Democratic Party and its leadership" is borne of paranoia and ignorance ... perception is NOT reality, especially when the perceiver is prone to seeing conspiracy and graft under every rock.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
130. Did his dithering and thumb-twiddling on police abuse win you over?
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 07:29 PM
Jan 2016

Or did you have to wait until the AG's office sided with the police when cases came to the supreme court?

WASHINGTON — Teresa Sheehan was alone in her apartment at a mental health center, clutching what her lawyers said was a small bread knife and demanding to be left alone. San Francisco police officers, responding to a call from a social worker, forced open the door, blinded her with pepper spray and shot her.

It was the kind of violent police confrontation that Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. has frequently criticized in Cleveland; Albuquerque; Ferguson, Mo.; and beyond. But last month, when Ms. Sheehan’s civil rights lawsuit reached the Supreme Court, the Justice Department backed the police, saying that a lower court should have given more weight to the risks that the officers faced.

At the Supreme Court, where the limits of police power are established, Mr. Holder’s Justice Department has supported police officers every time an excessive-force case has made its way to arguments. Even as it has opened more than 20 civil rights investigations into local law enforcement practices, the Justice Department has staked out positions that make it harder for people to sue the police and that give officers more discretion about when to fire their guns.

Police groups see Mr. Holder as an ally in that regard, and that pattern has rankled civil rights lawyers, who say the government can have a far greater effect on policing by interpreting law at the Supreme Court than through investigations of individual departments.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/22/us/at-supreme-court-holders-justice-dept-routinely-backs-officers-use-of-force.html?_r=0

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
144. Wall Street Lawyer... Now Back To Wall Street...
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 12:55 AM
Jan 2016

No Surprise... Who is the next "Establishment" Shill to be dredged up. The more the merrier... Just serves to solidify her Corporate Friendly image in the eyes of the American people... Exactly why she will not defeat Bernie for the nomination in the end... Look for a blowout for Bernie Iowa and NH!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
124. Eric Holder had to be dragged kicking and screaming into leaving marijuana dispenaries alone.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 06:49 PM
Jan 2016

I doubt he's some kind of huge hero to many here.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
2. Love it. Such a respectable person. Great endorsement.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 11:15 AM
Jan 2016

Seems many in the Obama Administration are either heading to help Clinton on the ground or endorsing her.

Great news. Thanks for sharing.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,672 posts)
18. What about former Attorney General do you find worthy of ridicule?
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 11:47 AM
Jan 2016

Thank you in advance.


Respectfully,
DSB

NV Whino

(20,886 posts)
28. In my opinion
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 11:52 AM
Jan 2016

And take that for what it's worth… Holder was a joke from the get go. I think even Hillary might be saying, "Who?"

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,672 posts)
32. I will have to respectfully demur from your assessment...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 11:54 AM
Jan 2016
In my opinion. And take that for what it's worth… Holder was a joke from the get go. I think even Hillary might be saying, "Who?"


I will have to respectfully demur from your assessment that the first African American Attorney General in the history of the republic was a joke.


Thank you in advance.


Respectfully,
DSB
 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
128. This has absolutely nothing to do with race.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 07:11 PM
Jan 2016

Why in Gods name are you going down that path? Holders failure to go after banking criminal acts ( see record settlements) and not taking a stand against the Bush Admin torture program is part of the reason I thought he was not cut out for the job. Remember, the AG is not be holding to the whim of the president. The position is one of independence and can act as he sees fit within the law.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
140. They found something or heads would not have rolled.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jan 2016

Granted, I too thought more should have been done but I would have gone all the way up and gone after Gov. Nixon.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,672 posts)
141. If you don't believe Attorney General Holder acquitted himself admirably,,,
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jan 2016

If you don't believe Attorney General Holder acquitted himself admirably during his tenure there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.

Thank you in advance.


Respectfully,
DSB

Tanuki

(14,866 posts)
49. Why would she say that? You may not like her, but she's not an ignoramus.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:30 PM
Jan 2016
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-hunter/holder-calls-updated-fair-housing-lending-laws
..."Under Holder, the Civil Rights Division has racked up the most hate crime convictions in more than a decade as the FBI and Civil Rights Division began actively investigating and prosecuting hate crimes based on sexual orientation and gender identity with the implementation of the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act.

And during a Lambda Legal reception in June, Holder took aim at the Boy Scouts of America’s remaining ban on gay Scout leaders, comparing it to “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” and describing it as “a relic of an age of prejudice and insufficient understanding.”

According to Chad Griffin, president of the Human Rights Campaign, Holder’s record is unmatched. “Some Attorneys General wait for history, others make history happen. Attorney General Holder made history for the LGBT community,” Griffin said in a statement. “He was our Robert F. Kennedy, lightening the burden of every American who faces legal discrimination and social oppression. We owe him a profound debt of gratitude for his legacy of advocacy and service.”

Sorry this is all a joke to you.
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
56. Not ridicule -- But he represents the Big Bucks revolving door
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:47 PM
Jan 2016

Went from a job as an upper crust lawyer protecting the interests of big corporations and big banks to AJ position, then back to the big money corridors of corporate power.

He is too typical of the elitist revolving door and oligarchical tendency of the establishment Democratic Party.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,672 posts)
11. FIXED
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 11:37 AM
Jan 2016
That will change nothing.




"That will change nothing" in homogeneous states like Iowa and New Hampshire but it might change a lot in heterogeneous states like Florida, California, Texas, New York, South Carolina, Georgia, North Carolina, et cetera.... Actually everywhere but Iowa and New Hampshire.



 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
33. Do you doubt that the endorsement of the first Black AG ...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 11:56 AM
Jan 2016

will affect that segment of the populace that values/valued AG Holder's stellar civil rights work?

bluedigger

(17,068 posts)
36. I guess you have a lot more faith in Holder's popularity amonst "heterogenous" voters.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:00 PM
Jan 2016

I expect his endorsement will do little to sway uncommitted voters of any genome. His unpopularity may be more pronounced in some communities.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,672 posts)
42. If you believe...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:12 PM
Jan 2016

If you believe the first African American Attorney General in the history of the republic will have no effect on those with a similar "genome" there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.





Respectfully,
DSB

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,672 posts)
46. I am not going to begrudge anybody an endorsement
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:22 PM
Jan 2016

I am not going to begrudge anybody an endorsement but the myriad posts touting it as a game changer among some with a certain genome struck me as fanciful as those with that genome could be so easily swayed by an entertainer.

Celebrity endorsements are fun but I don't support Hillary because she was endorsed by Bon Jovi and Lena Dunham.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
9. Given Holder's deep abiding ties to Wall $treet that's no big surprise
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 11:32 AM
Jan 2016

nor is it an endorsement that's going to help Hillary's "progressive image"

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
35. There is more to campaigning in the Democratic Party ...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 11:58 AM
Jan 2016

stoking a "progressive image" ... much more, for most Democratic voters.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
103. I couldn't agree more.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 03:41 PM
Jan 2016

There is much more to effectively campaigning than 'stoking' a progressive "image" as you put it
so well, in Hillary's case.

a) Having a decades-long consistently progressive substance is much more important.
b) Having a proven track record of pulling Independents and even GOP voters into your camp
because they've grown to respect a candidate's honesty, integrity, directness, capacity to stay
true to their unwavering commitment to policies that clearly benefit 95% of their constituency,
and not just a handful of wealthy and/or corporate financial backers.
c) Having a capacity to communicate respectfully yet convincingly to audiences well-known to
be fundamentally 'opposed' to much of what you stand for, as Bernie demonstrated at Liberty
University, and to do this without pandering.

Yes, there is much much more effective campaigning than simply appearing to be 'progressive'
when it's convenient, while claiming to also be "moderate" when that's convenient.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
10. Wow, the endorsement of the AG who refused to prosecute Wall Street criminals.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 11:33 AM
Jan 2016

Wonder how she picked up that one?

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
13. AMAZING! Isn't it? The guy who wouldn't investigate and prosecute her TOP DONORS!
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 11:41 AM
Jan 2016

And they wonder why there's a "grassroots rebellion?"

Talk about tone-deaf!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
45. Correction ...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:20 PM
Jan 2016

The guy who wouldn't investigate and CRIMINALLY prosecute her TOP DONORS!

But then, no one seems to be able to identify WHO should have been prosecuted and for WHAT.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
37. Again ... prosecute WHO for WHAT? ...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:00 PM
Jan 2016

Greed and/or stupidity are not crimes in these United States, at least, not yet.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
47. Well ... yes ...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:26 PM
Jan 2016

I seem to, now, be a "a special kind of person" because I understand what is required to criminally prosecute people in America.

That has nothing to do with "defend(ing) the indefensible"; but rather, being fact driven.

However, there was once I time, on DU, where I was just a regular poster ... because facts mattered.

ETA: I noticed you did not answer the question ... Prosecute WHO for What? From what I've seen, the only Donor where a criminal case could have been brought was Jamie Dimon, for violating The Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002 (for signing an inaccurate disclosure form).

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
57. Facts like ummm
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:50 PM
Jan 2016

the Clinton campaigns deliberate mischaracterization of the Sanders Medicare for All Single Payer Plan...how do those kind of "facts" drive you? Do "facts" matter all the time, or just when convenient?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
90. Ummm ... We're talking about AG Holder legacy ...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:48 PM
Jan 2016

and his ability to criminally prosecute the bankers ... what are you talking about?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
95. Different topic, but ...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:55 PM
Jan 2016

Does Sanders' Medicare for All Healthcare plan, that turns out to be still under development, NOT call for all the iterations of healthcare plans, i.e., Obamacare, the CHIP program, Medicare, and private insurance plans, into a single national program that will be turned over to the Governors to administer?

Would that NOT change the character of the afore-mentioned healthcare programs?

While I support Medicare for All, largely because collapsing of the plans into a single, national program is a great idea, as it expands savings through efficiencies of scale and removing duplicative serves ... but , turning it over to the states IS a BIG problem, as Kentucky, Arizona and all the other states that resisted the ACA, should demonstrate.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
96. It will be a NATIONAL program, if you are implying that Governors will be able to decline
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:57 PM
Jan 2016

to implement it as they can for ACA then you are quite wrong on that point.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
99. Tell me ... Why do Democrats and progressive oppose/resist the Block Granting ...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jan 2016

of social safety net programming?

Answer: because it takes NATIONAL programs and puts them in the hands of Governors to administer.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,672 posts)
55. I don't believe the endorsement is targeted at you
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jan 2016

Former Attorney General Eric Holder is endorsing Hillary Clinton for president, giving her a boost that could prove important in Southern states where black voters have strong influence


By BILL BARROW, Associated Press

CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) — As she works to maintain an advantage among African-American voters in her quest for the Democratic presidential nomination, Hillary Clinton has secured an endorsement from the nation's first black attorney general.

The Clinton campaign announced Eric Holder's support in a statement to the Associated Press.

Holder, who served as President Barack Obama's top law enforcement appointee for more than five years, said Clinton "is the candidate that we need in the White House" to continue "the progress of President Obama."

The former attorney general will campaign for Clinton in an upcoming swing to South Carolina, accompanying her to a state Democratic Party dinner Saturday and a Sunday debate sponsored by NBC News and the Congressional Black Caucus.

Holder's statement cited a list of policy areas that Clinton has highlighted in her battle against Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, including several that resonate strongly among black voters.

African-American voters favor Clinton by a wide margin according to preference polls, and they will likely make up a majority of the Democratic electorate in South Carolina's Feb. 27 primary and potentially in other Southern primaries that follow in March.


http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-01-13/clinton-gets-nod-from-former-attorney-general-eric-holder

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,672 posts)
50. Or maybe not
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:31 PM
Jan 2016
Frankly another endorsement from a party leader that voters

by and large don't care about.


Or maybe not



Former Attorney General Eric Holder is endorsing Hillary Clinton for president, giving her a boost that could prove important in Southern states where black voters have strong influence


By BILL BARROW, Associated Press

CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) — As she works to maintain an advantage among African-American voters in her quest for the Democratic presidential nomination, Hillary Clinton has secured an endorsement from the nation's first black attorney general.

The Clinton campaign announced Eric Holder's support in a statement to the Associated Press.

Holder, who served as President Barack Obama's top law enforcement appointee for more than five years, said Clinton "is the candidate that we need in the White House" to continue "the progress of President Obama."

The former attorney general will campaign for Clinton in an upcoming swing to South Carolina, accompanying her to a state Democratic Party dinner Saturday and a Sunday debate sponsored by NBC News and the Congressional Black Caucus.

Holder's statement cited a list of policy areas that Clinton has highlighted in her battle against Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, including several that resonate strongly among black voters.

African-American voters favor Clinton by a wide margin according to preference polls, and they will likely make up a majority of the Democratic electorate in South Carolina's Feb. 27 primary and potentially in other Southern primaries that follow in March.


http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-01-13/clinton-gets-nod-from-former-attorney-general-eric-holder

Tanuki

(14,866 posts)
40. From the responses so far from the feelers of the Bern, it's no wonder people regard Sanders
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:09 PM
Jan 2016

(or at least his "cool kids" supporters) as being tone-deaf on racial issues.

http://www.thenation.com/article/eric-holders-voting-rights-legacy/

..."When Eric Holder took over the Department of Justice, the Civil Rights Division, known as the crown jewel of the agency, was in shambles. Conservative political appointees in the Bush administration had forced out well-respected section chiefs. Longtime career lawyers left in droves, replaced by partisan hacks. Civil rights enforcement was virtually non-existent.

Holder made restoring the credibility of the Civil Rights Division a leading cause. “In the last eight years, vital federal laws designed to protect rights in the workplace, the housing market, and the voting booth have languished,” he said at his confirmation hearing. “Improper political hiring has undermined this important mission. That must change. And I intend to make this a priority as attorney general.”

Enforcing the Voting Rights Act became a key priority for Holder’s Justice Department. In 2012, it successfully challenged Texas’s voter ID law, South Carolina’s voter ID law, and Florida’s cutbacks to early voting under the VRA.
...........

This cause was personal to Holder. His sister-in-law, Vivian Malone Jones, was one of two African-American students to integrate the University of Alabama in 1963. “I so wish Vivian had lived to see this moment,” Holder said in Selma after Obama’s election. ....." (more at link)

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
54. But, you clearly don't understand ... none of that matters ...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:44 PM
Jan 2016

In the words of a (former and much revered) "Pillar of DU" (before he self-deleted the post) ... "If you don't understand that Income inequality is THE problem; then, YOU are the problem!"

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
59. It matters -- but so do other things
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:58 PM
Jan 2016

Frankly, one of the big problems today is this artificial separation of economic and social justice (including racial justice).

Instead of holistically linking them together (as I would argue MLK did, especially in his latter life) they have been separated into artificial distinctions.

Among otherr effects, that conveniently makes it possible to distract attention from the conjunction of social/economic justice by separating some real concerns from other real concerns.

It also separates loyalties, rather than promoting unity to promote all aspects of justice in the big picture.

Holder was good in parts of the whole picture, but not so good on the other elements.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
85. ...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:14 PM
Jan 2016
Frankly, one of the big problems today is this artificial separation of economic and social justice (including racial justice).


And yet, some seem to only have a part with one side of this artificial separation ... Holder's legacy is inconsequential garbage because he didn't "jail the bankers" (for what, no one seems to be able to articulate) ... despite ALL he has done on the civil rights front.

It also separates loyalties, rather than promoting unity to promote all aspects of justice in the big picture.


You would be more convincing/sincere (to me, at least), if you had posted this, and the other stuff) in response any of the other posts in this thread impugning AG Holder's legacy. I hope you will take a moment to reflect on the comment and history (at least of the left, including DU).
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
87. I have reflected on that a lot. The comment is an expression of long and deeply held views
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:43 PM
Jan 2016

I haven't the time here to explain all that I have observed and what is behind that statement. Would be too long winded, even for me.

But I will say that over the decades since the 1960's, we have been divided into "camps" and we have allowed issues to be distorted. It has brought us to a point where instead of a population that pushes for the best interests of everyone (from a liberal/progressive perspective), we focus on narrow interests while ignoring or avoiding the Big Picture that connects them all together.

And that has resulted in enabling a completely lopsided system of wealth and power, and enabled an unchallenged oligarchy to form.

Holder represents that. He was great in the sense of civil rights and related matters. But being in a position of having to go after the corporate and financial interests he worked for (and returned to) is part of that separation of values and interests I am referring to.

In real world terms, if he had been appointed/hired to head a civil rights division within the DOJ or something like that, he would have been deserving of praise. No hesitency about that.

But as a corporate attorney who worked (and returned to) the elite level of a corrupt system as the top cop of all Justice at a time when the economy had been looted and was in danger of crashing...well, not so much.

That may sound picky, but it reflects the need to balance the scales of who is represented in the halls of power. He is just one example of why we need a more consistent commitment to basic progressive/liberal reform of our overall system that doesn't advance the cause of social/economic justice with one hand, while reinforcing an abusive system on the other.




 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
98. Okay ... you didn't address my point; but, okay ...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 03:08 PM
Jan 2016

as exhibited here:

But I will say that over the decades since the 1960's, we have been divided into "camps" and we have allowed issues to be distorted. It has brought us to a point where instead of a population that pushes for the best interests of everyone (from a liberal/progressive perspective), we focus on narrow interests while ignoring or avoiding the Big Picture that connects them all together.


You say this, comfortable sitting in the space where the "big picture" will do little to benefit PoC and other others, while dismissing it as "narrow interests"; but, ignoring the perspective that the "big picture" that benefit you greatly, is a "narrow interest" for most outside of your group.

You are just re-hashing the "social justice/civil rights is divisive; but, economic justice is unifying" canard.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
100. You are distorting my point
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 03:19 PM
Jan 2016

It's not a unique point to me. A variation oif it has been bewildering and perplexing Democrats for years. (What's the Matter with Kansas? for example)

And frankly, I resent your assumption that my views reflect some comfortable perch in which I can throw the concerns of POC under the bus because it doesn't affect me.

That's total bullshit on your part because you know nothing about me or why I believe the way I do.

How about, even if we disagree, we agree that I won't question your motives and life experiences and you don't question mine?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
108. I know what you have written ...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 05:29 PM
Jan 2016
But I will say that over the decades since the 1960's, we have been divided into "camps" and we have allowed issues to be distorted. It has brought us to a point where instead of a population that pushes for the best interests of everyone (from a liberal/progressive perspective), we focus on narrow interests while ignoring or avoiding the Big Picture that connects them all together.


And then, you go into the oligarch thing ... But one can't help to notice, that the "narrow interest" vs "big picture" argument ONLY has the social justice/civil rights matter as the "narrow interest"; while, the economic thing is ALWAYS the "big picture."

I'm sorry if you don't like what you see when I hold up the mirror.
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
110. I'm fine with what I see in the mirror -- but not in your disrtored one
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jan 2016

I've always respected you and your opinions, even when I haven't agree with them.

However, I do not respect your dismissiveness and false assumptions on this.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
113. How is anything I've written dismissive or a distortion or a false assumption? ...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jan 2016

I have merely repeated what you have written AND put it into the context of what you have done in this OP.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
119. I am only taking the time to respond because...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 06:13 PM
Jan 2016

I do respect you overall. And also because I think what you are talking about reflects a bigger problem and difference of perceptions that drives needless division these days.

"But one can't help to notice, that the "narrow interest" vs "big picture" argument ONLY has the social justice/civil rights matter as the "narrow interest"; while, the economic thing is ALWAYS the "big picture.".......I'm sorry if you don't like what you see when I hold up the mirror. "


That's a distortion. There ARE issues that affect more people than others. People have individual priorities as to what affects them personally. That's called being human.

As a male, for example, I have nothing at stake whether all women are able to receive pap smears regardless of their income. It's totally irrelevant to me on a personal level. Doesn't affect me whatsoever.

BUT I do care about it and believe it is important on a visceral level because 1) It affects the women in my life, 2) It affects all women, and i care about that as a basic sense of decency, compassion and fairness and 3) It is one aspect of the larger issue of universal access to affordable healthcare.

Is universal healthcare a social or economic issue? Is access to women's healthcare a "social issues" a "special interest women's issue"? Those are ridiculous distinctions.

If I say I am against the domination of healthcare by private corporate interests, am I being myopic from my "comfortable perch" and only caring about an esoteric "economic issue" that doesn't affect everyone? Or only caring about it because I want to beat up corporate America out of socialist spite? Or just angling for cheaper healthcare for myself? Bullshit. That's a false dichotomy on so many levels.

The same can apply to many other issues. The behavior of cops, for example. Yes that disproportionately affects people of color, and that is an important "racial issue." .....But criminal justice reform in a larger sense is an important issue for everyone. Anyone be in a traffic stop and be subjected to inappropriate actions by a cop. That happens to white people too. So it is both a racial issue but also an element of a larger issue of social justice for everyone. Dealing with one aspect of it is part of dealing with the whole issue.

Economic issues are tied to many social issues and vice versa.

It is ridiculous to say that wages is a narrow interest that only affects a certain segment of the population . It affects the quality of life and the ability to pay for the basics and raise a family under decent conditions for EVERYONE at all income levels (except the upper echelons). And if wages are driven down by concentrations of economic power, corporate greed and immorality, Wall St. pressures and manipulations -- that is not just some silly issue that can be talked about from a "comfortable perch" of affluent white liberals. (And FYI my own economic perch is not very comfortable.)

Monopolistic corporate control of the media, is not some obscure issue that doesn't affect everyone. It does. It is, among other things, an issue that affects the ability of minorities to have their voices heard in the mainstream media and participate in the larger political conversation.

We should be able to collectively walk and chew gum at the same time. I have my priorities on issues, as do you, and that person over there. But priorities do NOT have to be the same as division. That is a circular firing squad.








 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
121. Re-read your posts in this thread ... notice who you responded to with the Big Picture thing ...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 06:26 PM
Jan 2016

and tell me again, how I have distorted your words.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
132. if you interpret the word narrow as dismissive...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 07:51 PM
Jan 2016

Either I misused it or you are looking for reasons to be iffended.

If you prefer, substitute the words certain, some, specific, particular, individual....and you can also apply thst to the other issues of economic inequality and corporate power.

Or more simply, IMO he was very good on some issues and not so good on others.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
137. Okay. But trust me, I have no reason to look for stuff to be offended by ...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 08:32 PM
Jan 2016

posts such as this are plain ... how else is one to interpret the word, "narrow" or "certain" or "individual" or any other word you would have me substitute, especially in contrast to your , "Big picture" descriptor of economic interests?

and you can also apply thst to the other issues of economic inequality and corporate power.


But this NEVER occurs on DU ... which is my exact point.

Or more simply, IMO he was very good on some issues and not so good on others.


Now, here ... we can agree. But, I suspect we differ on the importance/priority with respect to those issues where he is very good and not so good.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
70. Or maybe we just know more about Holder
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:24 PM
Jan 2016

I remember this story about his slimy past regarding human rights:

The selection of Eric Holder as the next attorney general of the United States is a deft political decision. Holder should face little if any opposition during the approval process given his bipartisan history. This would ensure a smooth transition at a time that requires decisive action. Still, Barack Obama's selection may not be something to celebrate. The choice of Holder reveals a troubling disconnect between a key statement made by the president-elect during the campaign and views held by Holder. This disconnect must be examined in light of the dismal state of US foreign relations.

The issue of direct payments to the justice department by offending US corporations is a worrying trend. It is one that has risen sharply under the Bush administration and was first championed by former attorney general John Ashcroft. In lieu of a trial, companies are allowed to pay a fine directly to the justice department. These agreements are readily accepted by companies, as they are cost effective, avoid the stigma of public trial and don't set precedents. None of the money paid goes to affected individuals or communities, which leaves any sense of justice wanting. There is also valid concern that abuse of this system may lead to companies being less scrupulous.

Representing Chiquita, Holder brokered a deal for the banana giant to pay $25m over five years to the justice department. This arrangement was made after Chiquita admitted in 2003 to providing $1.7m over six years to the paramilitary group The United Self Defense Forces of Colombia. This group was listed as a terrorist organisation by the state department. Chiquita also allegedly provided a cache of surplus Nicaraguan army AK-47s through their own transport network. The payments continued unabated for months after Chiquita's admission.

The company claimed the payments were made to protect its workers, but it is unclear who was protected. Colombia's attorney general, Mario Iguaran, roundly rejects Chiquita's excuses. Iguaran believes the payments were made to secure the unimpeded production of bananas and to quell labour unrest. He claims that at least 4,000 people were killed by these paramilitaries. Hundreds of the victims were banana workers and labour organisers. Iguaran wishes to extradite the Chiquita executives responsible for approving the payments and a lawsuit is currently underway representing the families of 173 workers who were killed by the paramilitaries. Holder continues to represent Chiquita in the resulting civil case.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2008/nov/25/attornery-general-eric-holder-chiquita

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,672 posts)
60. Or maybe not
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:59 PM
Jan 2016
Despite the heroic effort in this thread to polish a tool the endorsement is not going to amount to a hill of beans.



Or maybe not



Former Attorney General Eric Holder is endorsing Hillary Clinton for president, giving her a boost that could prove important in Southern states where black voters have strong influence


By BILL BARROW, Associated Press

CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) — As she works to maintain an advantage among African-American voters in her quest for the Democratic presidential nomination, Hillary Clinton has secured an endorsement from the nation's first black attorney general.

The Clinton campaign announced Eric Holder's support in a statement to the Associated Press.

Holder, who served as President Barack Obama's top law enforcement appointee for more than five years, said Clinton "is the candidate that we need in the White House" to continue "the progress of President Obama."

The former attorney general will campaign for Clinton in an upcoming swing to South Carolina, accompanying her to a state Democratic Party dinner Saturday and a Sunday debate sponsored by NBC News and the Congressional Black Caucus.

Holder's statement cited a list of policy areas that Clinton has highlighted in her battle against Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, including several that resonate strongly among black voters.

African-American voters favor Clinton by a wide margin according to preference polls, and they will likely make up a majority of the Democratic electorate in South Carolina's Feb. 27 primary and potentially in other Southern primaries that follow in March.


http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-01-13/clinton-gets-nod-from-former-attorney-general-eric-holder



Respectfully,
DSB

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,672 posts)
65. All she literally has to do is hold on to them and his support can do anything but hurt.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:05 PM
Jan 2016

Clinton still outpaces Sanders across all demographic subgroups of Democrats — most notably, non-whites (92 percent favorable) and liberals, with whom 88 percent rate Clinton positively and 74 percent say the same of Sanders. But Clinton's advantage in favorable ratings is clearest among moderate and conservative Democrats, among whom 80 percent give Clinton favorable marks but only 41 percent rate Sanders positively.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/13/poll-views-of-trump-carson-and-bush-dim-as-christie-and-cruz-rise/
Love is the ultimate security,

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
143. I'm no longer surprised by any of this
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 12:23 AM
Jan 2016

ANYONE who endorses Hillary Clinton is evil or stupid.

Just look at how they treated one of the current Cabinet secretaries, who by all accounts is one of the smartest and nicest guys in politics, just because he endorsed her the other day.

It seems that no one is immune from this treatment - at least no one who doesn't endorse Bernie Sanders.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
62. The best thing Holder ever did was to quit
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:01 PM
Jan 2016

The worst thing he ever did was to not quit sooner.

If anybody cared about endorsements of this type, Holders endorsement would cost her votes.



Number23

(24,544 posts)
109. Yep. And they are so blissfully clueless as to actually be PROUD of it too
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 05:29 PM
Jan 2016

It's so dumb and counter productive it's actually incredibly funny.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
115. Notice ...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 05:47 PM
Jan 2016

Every one is on the "he should'a jailed the bankers" tip; but, no one can point to who he should have jailed and for what?

Number23

(24,544 posts)
116. I would have thrown a parade in my back yard had someone gone to jail over that shit
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jan 2016

Nobody was hit by that mess more than black folks. The subprime mortgage fiasco was just one bite of the enchilada and it hit poor, older black folks the hardest.

And yet, I can still recognize the good that this man did for lots of other people. But that's because I'm not eaten up inside with hatred and think that only the issues I think are important actually are.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
120. I would have been cheering the loudest and for the same reason ...
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 06:20 PM
Jan 2016

But, sadly, I know ... and so did AG Holder ... that greed and/or stupidity aren't crimes in these United States.

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