2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumFrom "Feel The Bern" to "Hill Yes".
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/13/1469263/-Losing-Bernie-My-Journey-from-FeelTheBern-to-HillYes"See that kid in the red shirt and baseball cap in the bottom right? Thats me. My name is Anthony. Im 21 years old. Im a college student. Im a committed progressive. I donated to Bernie Sanders. In many ways, Im the average Bernie Sanders supporter...except that Im caucusing for Hillary Clinton.
This isnt a great picture of me. I look...angry, almost. I think this image captured the peak moment I felt the Bern. Its been downhill since then.
Ive known about Bernie Sanders longer than most. In my nascent political life, I went on a pursuit of finding progressive politicians to read about, he was one of the first to come up. His voting record, what he said, where he came from...he was like an older version of me. It was only natural I supported him when he announced his presidential campaign, I immediately donated. I bought a bumper sticker. And I went to his speech in my hometown of Portland, Maine. I changed my Facebook profile pic to a Bernie logo. This was summer."
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Apparently you know far more about his fantasies than I since I don't follow him.
bvf
(6,604 posts)I never thought I'd be writing to you, but...
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)The article reads like a list of Clinton talking points. This does not ring true as an account of someone who was attracted to Sanders as a progressive, then migrated to Clinton as a realist. It reads more like the account of someone who was initially aligned with Clinton, and became temporarily intrigued by Sanders.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)lacks conviction - in a big way. If it is true, well dude doesn't know himself yet, at 21 I guess that is fair - maybe tomorrow he'll switch back again since he clearly doesn't know who he is yet.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The kossacks aren't stupid enough to buy that newbie's act either. He collected every single stale meme and repackaged them as a conversion letter that reads like a Chik tract.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)and not the newbie.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)If it is he's a genius, the Hillary supporters are eating it up over there.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)A person who writes a parody of a Fundamentalist that is mistaken for the real thing. Due to Poe's Law, it is almost impossible to tell if a person is a Poe unless they admit to it.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)It was a May to December romance ...
Thar's some mighty find fanfic in that little screed.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)n/t
chervilant
(8,267 posts)Posting a random blogger's political pablum to encourage rejecting Bernie to support HRC?
So thankful for the "trash thread" option...
Response to Dawson Leery (Original post)
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Number23
(24,544 posts)Worse still, I saw white people telling people of color how to vote. How can Hillary be leading so much among African Americans? Dont they know Bernies policies are better for them? I dont know, isnt it up to them to decide whose policies benefit them the most? Maybe they might have some trouble trusting an old white man from New England?
...All the while, the vitriol from Sanders supporters has only grown. Insinuating that Gabby Giffords brain injuries are what made her endorse Hillary, throwing John Lewis and Planned Parenthood under the bus, insinuating that the only reason why anyone endorses Hillary is fear of retribution, insulting Sybrina Fulton, the grieving mother of Trayvon Martin, for having the gall to endorse the candidate with the better gun control record. It seems to have permeated parts of the campaign, too: little digs from the candidate and the campaign (the most recent one is referring to Hillary as The Anointed One, which is a level of condescension and haughtiness I expect from Trump) from a candidate who still purports to never attack.
LIAR Clearly none of this ever happened. He's obviously a paid Clinton operative.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Welcome aboard.
Of course, it would be ironic if you said one thing and meant another on a day when Hillary Clinton is taking heavy damage for lying.
Number23
(24,544 posts)There is NOTHING that ANYONE can type on this board that doesn't illicit a year's worth of shrieks from you guys. Definitely the actions of a group of people happy and confident in their choice of candidate.
And not only was your post completely unnecessary, the fact that it does nothing but corroborate the point of this OP and the other 400 articles written about Sanders supporters just makes it even more ironic and delicious.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)If you have anything of use to say, please do so now; things are kind of busy.
Number23
(24,544 posts)quite a bit lately for reasons that can only be explained as I am the luckiest girl on DU. Truly.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Your claim wasn't true. I knew it wasn't when you made it, so I chalked it up to standard insincerity (theme of the day), but opted to mention it anyway. I'm glad I did.
Number23
(24,544 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)You'll be blissed out the rest of your life, because I intend to keep believing what I want to believe, just like always.
Number23
(24,544 posts)and stop chasing after me with this big pile of nothing and "arguing for the sheer hell of it, over absolutely nothing and couldn't care less how it makes me look" like you're doing in this thread.
Nothing.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)What you call "chasing" is what people who aren't sending jury alerts call "discussing".
Number23
(24,544 posts)nothing.
I posted a comment to the OP which you decided was me making some claim which I told you I didn't do. And yet, here we are 5, 6 posts later with you still posting to me even though it beyond clear you have absolutely NOTHING to say, no point to make and just want to argue for no reason whatsoever. And the fact that you have recently targeted all of this attention on me is flattering surely, but completely unwanted.
If you call this "discussion" then it explains absolutely everything about your participation on this board.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I'm not changing to please you; you have a problem with me. I see solutions.
Number23
(24,544 posts)that includes you.
Pretty clear that your self-restraint is the issue here.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)But I'm not changing for you; hopefully you do understand that part.
Number23
(24,544 posts)in. Hence, why you will probably never find a single time where I have initiated a conversation with you.
And of course, this entire beyond pointless conversation all stems from you seeing my moniker and feeling the need to engage even when it's clear that whatever "point" you had to make doesn't exist and never did. Like I said, definitely the actions of people who are confident and happy in their choices, both in candidates and in life.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)So my posts DO interest you. Or you're...you know....fibbing. So sorry, #23, but you don't get to have it both way. Bye.
Number23
(24,544 posts)find a single "conversation" between the two of us that I initiated.
I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings. But it's the God's honest truth. Of that you can rest assured.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)...but I don't permit people like you to hurt my feelings, so please do not feel the need to apologize to me. I suspect that apology was also insincere (notice a trend? I do), but in case it was not, please don't bother.
Number23
(24,544 posts)And I thought you said "bye" a few posts ago?
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)You did the same thing the other day when you were trying to push that Palin garbage, and I thought you might do it again. You're apparently all grown up; as such, you are responsible for your words and for your actions.
Number23
(24,544 posts)interesting. I wish you would put me on ignore and spare us both your endless outrage, chest thumping and hollering about nothing. Particularly as it's apparent that you don't know how to "quit" me even after clearly saying "goodbye."
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Yeah, this is making you look absolutely SPECTACULAR and nothing like your user name. Each post adds to the shimmering nobility of your participation in this thread. But considering I take great pride in having absolutely nothing in common with you I'm afraid we've got nothing to talk about.
I'm sure I'll see you in 14 fighting matches in a single thread over absolutely nothing with other posters soon enough. And, as I do every time I see your name in a thread, I'll either laugh out loud or skip over your posts entirely. And it is so INCREDIBLY telling that you are incapable of doing the same and seem to actually be proud of that fact. Certainly explains the endless need to swagger and chest thump around here. It's beyond sad and embarrassing, not that I'd expect you to realize that.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)here, you'll be the FIRST to know.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I do believe protocol is all fixed up now. Help me pick out the bunting and the napkins, and we should be about ready to go.
Number23
(24,544 posts)All of your fake ass "goodbyes" and "have a good nights" as though you are actually leaving aside, what in the world makes you think that I care about your opinion?
What makes you COMPELLED to speak to me and to "let me know" if/when you disagree with me? Who exactly do you think that you are to me?
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I think we both just have a hard time saying goodbye. Who I am matters to me. Who I am to you does not.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Sid is someone I like and even he does nothing more than post his :lol: smiley half the time and that sends certain folks here in a flat out rage which is precisely whey he does it.
I have never ONCE in my entire time on this web site seen somebody tell Sid to leave them alone, to stop chasing after them and he flat out refuse to do so. Sid may annoy the shit out of people here because he laughs in their faces -- and usually for damn good reason -- but he is not PSYCHOTIC which is the only word I can think of to describe people who are asked to leave someone alone and refuse.
This is the difference between the decent folks here and others. I see stuff every single day that I disagree with. But I am not so goddamned ENTITLED to chase after posters here and believe that I have the right to force my thoughts and opinions on people simply because they disagree with me. And I sure as shit would stop if someone asked me to. So you ain't nothing like Sid. Sid is a decent guy. I have never seen Sid stoop to this type of needless and idiotic behavior and I know he'd know better than to think he was doing the right thing or "fighting the good fight" if he did.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)You should check and see if you don't have that same deal. By the way, you haven't asked me to leave you alone or to "stop chasing you". You were too concerned with couching your terms as if you were a psycholohist of some sort, so you talked in clinical terms about the maladies you perceive I have. I see, by the way, that I've progressed to psychosis in your latest post. We've got ourselves the honest to goodness second incarnation of Bill First, right here at DU.
Now, let's see. You've told me I'm unbalanced, you've told me I'm psychotic. You've condescended to call me "dear". Have I done the same? Have I called you names? Have I told you you're abnormal? I have not. Yet still, you've attempted to become the victim a few times in our exchange, first, when you spoke of me "making you" do and say things beyond your control. And in more recent posts, you're setting yourself up as the victim of some sort of stalking. Last I heard, stalking doesn't happen out in the open in a single thread, in one giant indent.
But you ducked the bunting issue, and we really need to decide whether we're doing standard red, white, and blue, or if we're going to do something different and bold.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)Was this about wat you posted - or a chance to bring him up by that poster? That's awesome if it was a chance to bring up Sid. Sid laughs I don't have to!
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Upon more careful parsing of the thread, you'll see that I brought Sid into the conversation. I'll be looking forward to seeing him here again soon.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Which is not something alot of folks here can say.
As anyone reading this thread can see, this bewilderingly dumb subthread has nothing to do with my first post within it. A few days ago that poster was part of a pile on where six, yes SIX, posters -- all of them Sanders supporters -- jumped down my ass because I asked someone who demanded a poster with an 'African Americans for Hillary' and a pro-Third Way sic in their sig line leave DU because of their Third Way support if that was his call to make.
That was it. Someone demanded that someone leave DU because of a Third Way pic in their sig line, I said VERBATIM "think that's your call to make?" and had SIX PEOPLE jumping down my ass as a result. JAG, I felt so special! By the time it was all said and done, I'd embarrassed them almost half as much as they'd embarrassed themselves. This exchange was so obviously a chance for this person to finally get his REVENGEEEEE!! and the last word that means so much. And if he has to argue and puff out that chest over absolutely, positively nothing in the process, it's pretty clear that's 100% okay.
To paraphrase Lloyd Benson: I know Sid. Sid is a friend of mine. You sir, are no Sid.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)I missed that. So they only want us here if we support Sanders?
That's not very Democratic. Eh? FDR gave us a craptastic housing policy and I know a lot of folks want to go back to FDR. Maybe they think we are bringing down their property (DU being said home) values?
Number23
(24,544 posts)beyond "must harass/destroy anyone who doesn't agree with me." Look at them in GDP. The same 20 or so folks are in every thread starting 40 shouting matches over Fuck All, chasing posters up and down this board and then demanding that the folks being chased are the ones that should put the harasses on ignore. Moronic.
Bigtree has been getting it particularly bad lately. All of the "concern" about his "health" from people chasing him around and treating him like shit is so endearing. If only half as much energy went into doing something positive for their candidate as it does haunting the steps of folks that want nothing to do with them there'd probably be a hell of alot less acrimony around here.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Oh, I see, you will RESPOND
sigh
I guess that is what this board is for...sigh
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)ENTITLED to hit on all the girls, keep changing the jukebox, and stand outside the bathroom making comments to everyone going in.
Even when the ladies ask them to leave them alone, that since of ENTITLEMENT keeps them from being able to do so. In their head, it's a public space so they should be free to do whatever the hell they want, seemingly oblivious that others also have rights and that includes asking people who's opinion you don't care about or who's attention is unwanted to buzz off and that a decent person would do just that. You'd just do it. Why would anyone chase after someone who doesn't like you and has asked you to stop?
This is exactly the type of behavior that has gotten certain folks an absolutely phenomenal online reputation. And judging by the endless articles, there is alot of this behavior out there on the Internet and if the folks doing this garbage think it's a silencing tactic, they could not have gotten that more wrong.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)It's a public discussion board, by posting on a public discussion board (in the main forums, no less) that means that other members of the public respond to you.
It doesn't mean your posts come with a special list of who is "allowed" to respond to you, or not. And you bet your bippy Mr. Sid Dithers (among others) doesn't keep a crumpled up list in his pocket of who on DU has politely requested he not talk to, or not, either.
It's funny you want to talk about "silencing tactics", because "you're not allowed to respond to my posts, person I don't like!" is a silencing tactic.
And it's ironic, because the software comes with a GREAT way to not have to hear from people you don't want to- the ignore button.
Yes, now go ahead and get massively indignant because I responded to your public post publicly without your express permission. I'll wait.
randys1
(16,286 posts)folk, what she should or should not do in life and in general.
Having nothing to do with Bernie, but just in general, white folks doing that.
Number23
(24,544 posts)basically tell someone "You've asked me to leave you alone repeatedly but I'm not going to because you need to know that I disagree with you?"
Seriously? When was the last time???????????? It has NOTHING to do with Sanders.
randys1
(16,286 posts)It is privileged behavour
Number23
(24,544 posts)engaging in the behavior.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Says it's not available in my area.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Please?
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Or, that you decided to call the above poster a liar. I've seen a ton of it. Telling black people how to vote. Telling white people how to vote. Hostility and paranoia toward anyone who speaks their truth, or disagrees in a respectful manner or even asks questions to try and learn more by asking questions. I like a lot of things about Sanders. But I too am disturbed by much of what the author of the Daily Kos poster describes. I've witnessed it. Much more from self-proclaimed Sanders supporters than from undecideds or self-proclaimed Hillary or Martin supporters. Calling the above poster a liar for expressing an opinion based on experience.
The replies often seem to come in two forms. Claim the person who says how they feel about it is a shill or paid operative. Or mock and ridicule them for having sensitivities to this type of patronizing bullying. I don't like it one bit. I will continue speaking out about to the extent that I can even stand reading any of these pile-on threads. The smugness and self-righteousness is actually causing me to have real hesitation of voting for Sanders. Some have said 'Well, then you must never have been a real Sanders supporter in the first place.' That's bullshit. It's also a creepy form of cult-like behavior. Denying it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I also find the denial alone to be patronizing. It's like saying 'I don't believe your feelings because you aren't telling me what I want to hear.' That type of response is incredibly demeaning and insulting.
I won't round up links to all the boorish behavior. It's been evident to me for approximately six months. It never seems to subside. I find it really hateful and pitiful. And yes, I think it does reflect on Sanders. Unless most of these rude people who can't seem to treat other people as human beings with legitimate feelings is some paid troll trying to make the Sanders campaign look bad.
I'd like to vote for Sanders. I've been a democratic socialist since before joining this board, before it became fashionable here. All this hostility toward other posters bothers me. Denying that it exists doesn't mean it doesn't exist. This thread alone provides many examples of it. It's a reason I don't post much in this group. I don't appreciate getting crap for calling out racist behavior.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)You're mischaracterizing my post. I did not talk race with the other poster. I DID NOT call the other poster a liar. The other poster has jsut posted that I did not call her a liar.
You scolded me about this, and several minutes later I received notice from someone that I had survived a jury 7-0.
Are you able to respond in this thread to tell me you now understand your mistaken accusation, or are you programmatically prevented from posting further in this thread by board software?
Number23
(24,544 posts)And to whoever alerted on that post it was clear that alert was based on a misinterpretation of what that poster had written. But considering the usual tenor and tone from that poster, it's not hard to understand why anyone would have thought he was calling me or someone else here a liar.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)you. You have made your point perfectly and called out the "patronizing bullying" along with many, MANY others here and yet some seem to do nothing but keep illustrating exactly what you're talking about. Almost as if they can't help themselves.
I guess we should take comfort that no one demanded that you pull out your wallet for some idiotic "wager" or to go outside and duel with pistols. Yet. Don't take the bait. Your post was incredibly insightful and you have made your point beautifully as is ABUNDANTLY clear in the responses to it.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Yes, I try and ignore hostility. I'll continue expressing my feelings & observations too.
I'm heading out to a concert, soprano & violin. Music refreshes the soul! Hope you enjoy a wonderful evening.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)On Thu Jan 14, 2016, 07:12 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
This LIAR thing is spreading even faster than I thought it would.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1004864
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Calling a well-respected poster a liar for expressing a legitimate feeling that she has experienced racism is disruptive, hurtful and inappropriate.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jan 14, 2016, 07:23 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: ridiculous alert. as per the current norm
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: sounds like the veracity of the author that the OP cites is at question, rather than the DUer.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Looks like the Clinton Cavers are trying to protect one another tonight. Give the alerts a rest.
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)The other poster called the Daily Kos article writer a liar. I responded to that. It's all just above for everyone to see.
But thank you for seeing the bogus nature of the alert. The alerter DID NOT tell the truth.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)and vote to hide, so i was amazed and pleased this went 0-7 to LEAVE IT. means people are paying attention.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Sanders has been running this con for nearly 25 years.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Rand Paul.
Who believe that endlessly screaming, belittling, insulting (and did I mention screaming?) constitutes "support" and who appear to be shocked and mystified that the people on the receiving end of this treatment want absolutely nothing to do with them
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Any of us can document lots of lies that Hillary Clinton has told.
You CANNOT document a single lie Sanders has told.
It's not my responsibility that you're backing who you're backing, but don't try to tar my candidate with her filth and lies.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Letter from Bernard Sanders to USTR Michael Froman, Jan. 5, 2015:
Full text: http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/sandersustrletter.pdf
You can call it whatever you like.
........................
Context: from HuffPost, Jan. 6, 2015:
USTR told HuffPost it had ramped up congressional outreach, and has held nearly 1,600 meetings on Capitol Hill over the trade pact. Senator Sanders, like all Members of Congress, has full access to the draft TPP negotiating text and we look forward to working with him to review it," USTR spokesman Trevor Kincaid said. "Members of Congress, labor unions, non-profits, and environmentalists have all played an important role in shaping our approach to our trade policy. This includes Senator Sanders, whose input USTR has received on a dozen occasions on issues ranging from clean energy manufacturing to cheese."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/05/bernie-sanders-michael-froman-tpp_n_6419874.html
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)neverforget
(9,436 posts)TPP to get through the primary and that she actually supports it and will "do the right thing". And you think Bernie is running a con?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251958460#post104
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)and screaming is a winning strategy. We should prove them wrong and send Bernie packing.
Number23
(24,544 posts)+ a million. And I can't tell if it's more embarrassing, sad or just plain idiotic. Actually I think it's all three in equal parts.
randys1
(16,286 posts)have been subjected to is not unique to DU.
I had honestly hoped that it was.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Internet. And if anyone thinks that they are going to bully and harass people into no longer saying what they want out of fear that a half dozen mouth breathers will come crashing down on them, they could not have gotten that more wrong.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)Since I have witnessed - and occasionally myself received - the "vitriol" here on DU, I find a lot of what he says to be credible.
Number23
(24,544 posts)So we have a white millennial basically saying that he was an avid Sanders supporter and now he's not because of what he feels are the flimsiness of Sanders' policies and the far too frequent and far too often unhinged reactions of his supporters.
If this was one person, it'd only be kind of interesting. But the Internet is full of people saying that the reaction of some of Sanders' supporters are his greatest liability.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)I find that to be 100 percent the case. The anti-HRC mob mentality that I see here on DU is frightening and it's a MAJOR turn-off.
Of course, the moment I - or anyone else - remark about that, people jump on us and call us "condescending" at best or unprintable at worst (and I likely don't see even half of what is said to/about me because I now have so many posters on Ignore).
Then there is the immediate swarm of comments about how awful HRC's supporters are towards Bernie when that is simply NOT at all the case with the overwhelming majority of HRC supporters on this site.
Bernie's ideas are great. I wish that they could be implemented for us all, but his details on implementation are sketchy - to say the least. I love that he is a candidate and am proud that he is a Dem candidate. He is just not my candidate. Period.
Number23
(24,544 posts)nothing even REMOTELY interesting or intelligent to say, no point to make whatsoever and only want to fight??! I have NO IDEA what you're talking about!1one!1
I feel the same.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)Response to Dawson Leery (Original post)
1000words This message was self-deleted by its author.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...if that happened, it's really sad.
This is a clear illustration of what it can be like on the other side of the candidate divide. Can't say I endorse all of what this person says, but it mirrors much of what the Sanders camp has complained about, in this case, from the opposite side.
I happen to think that O'Malley has the most detailed policy plans, but I also found many of the issue pages on Sanders' website awash in rhetoric and short on actual policy plans. I do understand that his congressional record has better specifics. Still...
riversedge
(70,224 posts)gets things done.
TWEET:
Tweet:
@HillaryClinton-->Who to vote for via Howard Dean: A visionary man VS a pragmatic woman who gets things done! #ImwithHer @HillaryforIA #p2
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)what MOM has to say. My older son is a MOM supporter. MOM was my guv and he is a great candidate even though his poll standings are absolutely ridiculous, IMO.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Bwahahaha.
Tell us another. Share more funny fantasies.
riversedge
(70,224 posts)while Hillary has lots of thoughtful developed policies to help the middle class or
Tweet:
@HillaryClinton-->Who to vote for via Howard Dean: A visionary man VS a pragmatic woman who gets things done! #ImwithHer @HillaryforIA #p2
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)snoringvoter
(178 posts)BERNIE!
randys1
(16,286 posts)I am not looking for a fight, trust me, I just want to confirm you dont mean that.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)As believable as Big Foot.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...or something like that.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Puglover
(16,380 posts)How original. "I supported Bernie. But then his supporters."
At least come up with some new lines.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Pretty much like this post said: "break up the banks" could be good or really really bad depending on what that actually means, and I'm not really interested in chest-thumping about it that doesn't have those specifics.
seaglass
(8,171 posts)was a very worthwhile read.
http://www.shakesville.com/2015/07/looking-for-bernie-part-1-sanders-72.html
http://www.shakesville.com/2015/07/looking-for-bernie-part-2-mr-sanders.html
http://www.shakesville.com/2015/07/looking-for-bernie-part-3-sanders-90.html
http://www.shakesville.com/2015/07/looking-for-bernie-part-4-turning-right.html
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)Bookmarking for later.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)DFW
(54,386 posts)It didn't quite sound like the contrived stuff shills sometimes come up with, so I read the whole thing. It SOUNDED genuine, but I still couldn't quite convince myself, although it could just as easily have been me at 21. I started my senior year in college at that age, and could read and write, after all.
But then further down, a veteran Kossack had apparently taken the trouble to check out and vet the poster, and found him to be for real.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)That is an extraordinarily important piece of evidence. The poor guy is getting piled on here. Could you please copy and paste it.
Thank you in advance.
DFW
(54,386 posts)Nate Roberts Nate Roberts
Jan 13 · 09:30:13 PM
Scratch thatmahakali overdrive has assured me that the diarist is exactly who he claims to me. She says she has unassailable proof, and thats good enough for me. Shes a renown sockpuppet and zombie catcher, and also firmly in the Bernie camp. (My apologies to Hatrax for misunderstanding his PM offer.)
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)DFW
(54,386 posts)No sweat!
riversedge
(70,224 posts)DFW
(54,386 posts)All I did was find a post on DK that was out there for anyone to read. I'm currently in Dallas recuperating from a knee operation. Believe me, I had the time!!
In the meantime, my wife had to return to Germany. She had been in the USA 89 days out of the last 180, and would have had to apply for a visa to stay with me during my recuperation. As it is, the idiots from CBP detained her when we landed in Atlanta on December 26th, because they saw she had spent more time in the USA than usual. They asked her what "work" she was planning to do while she was here. What oafs. Her passport was stamped with entries into the USA EVERY December 26th for the last 10 years, and she had her return ticket with her. She is 63!!! What "work" did they think she was gong to engage in, clandestine baby-sitting?
Anyway, she refused to beg the US authorities for any visa, and went home as planned, not overstaying her allotted time as a tourist. After all, we can't have Germans spending any more money into the US economy than can be helped, right?
So if you know a way to sneak her back over here to me without anyone noticing, I'd be happy to accept that. In absence of that, I was glad to go find the post--not exactly the most demanding of tasks. By the way--beware of offering baked goods to any man married to a German woman. You have a VERY high bar to compete with!
riversedge
(70,224 posts)DFW
(54,386 posts)You just had to wade through a ton of posts to find it. But it was posted by a trusted Sanders supporter on DK, and one who was apparently adept at rooting out phonies. Ergo, the post was apparently legit, and the good Sanders supporters on DK acknowledged it.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)SO WHO'S WITH ME, FELLOW BERNIE SUPPORTERS?