The Nation magazine endorses Sanders

[BigBearJohn]

Sanders "has summoned the people to a 'political revolution,' arguing that the changes our country so desperately needs can only happen when we wrest our democracy from the corrupt grip of Wall Street bankers and billionaires," the magazine's editors say. "We believe such a revolution is not only necessary but possible -- and that's why we're endorsing Bernie Sanders for president."

At first blush, the announcement seems like a no brainer. The fiercely liberal magazine and the Democratic socialist presidential candidate go together like peanut butter and jelly.

But it is, in some respects, a surprise. The magazine, founded more than 150 years ago, has only endorsed candidates during primaries twice before. Until now the results have been 50-50: it endorsed Jesse Jackson in 1988 and Barack Obama in 2008.

The magazine's editors acknowledge Hillary Clinton's strengths but say "the limits of a Clinton presidency are clear."

They argue that "Sanders's approach" to foreign policy "is different and better," and that on domestic issues Sanders is "a candidate who can truly walk the walk."

http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/14/media/the-nation-magazine-bernie-sanders/index.html

[drm604]

1. Here's the actual endorsement

Here it is in The Nation.
http://www.thenation.com/article/bernie-sanders-for-president/

[rhett o rick]

10. Thanks for the link. It should be noted that Clinton gets the endorsement

of Establishment people like Eric Holder while Sanders gets the endorsement of progressives and progressive organizations.

[Betty Karlson]

11. (where hundreds of thousands of people have been polled before the endorsement was made)

[nxylas]

2. But is it a *scientific* endorsement?

Oh yeah:

[Fuddnik]

5. Yeah, it's not like they're Eric Holder or anything!

[sybylla]

3. In other news, zebras have stripes

and lions roar.

Socialist magazine editors endorse socialist candidates.

Surely no one was waiting on the edge of their seats for this endorsement. No matter how The Nation's editors portray their decision in this, there was no way they could have brought themselves to endorse Clinton with my man Bernie in the game.

There are other endorsements of far bigger value.

[zalinda]

4. The fact that they have only

endorsed 2 primary candidates in the last 150 years, speaks volumes. Bernie is now the third, that is big.

Z

[NorthCarolina]

7. LOL

Whatever comforts you I suppose.

[Omaha Steve]

6. The Nation site is running slow from mass clicks! (donate to say THANK YOU!)

https://donate.thenation.com/responsive-pages/5_122014_hompage


Their front page.

[Betty Karlson]

12. Depicted: dignity and humility

And possessing both: the man who richly deserves to become president. Even when half the country doesn't derserve him, all of it needs him.

[bigtree]

8. good endorsement

...that means the Nation isn't an objective source for the foreseeable future, but their progressive choice leaves a lot of room for agreement.

One disagreement:

"the limits of a Clinton presidency are clear."

I think the parameters of a Sanders presidency are also 'unclear.' He's just as untested in the executive role, while Clinton at least has that experience heading a large government agency which also gives her foreign policy chops (whether you agree or not with the policies she promoted in favor of the Obama presidency).

But Sanders' candidacy is obviously a good opportunity for the magazine to promote their progressive agenda.

[rhett o rick]

9. " He's just as untested in the executive role, while Clinton at least has that experience"

Yes H. Clinton has been tested but she has done poorly. Remember when she made the Iraq War mistake. She chose to side with the hated Republicons. She failed that test. WE NEED CHANGE.

[bigtree]

14. and Sanders is untested

...I don't remember much of what Sanders did AFTER that vote to regulate, manage, or end that occupation - both senators voted repeatedly to fund the thing, to the consternation of those of us clamoring for Congress to stifle Bush's made-up mandate. The subsequent funding votes were Congress' most important lever in confronting Bush on his occupation, and both failed that test for me.

Hillary did serve on the Senate Armed Forces Committee and made dozens and dozens of efforts to hold the administration accountable for their conduct in Iraq.

What did Hillary Clinton do about Iraq after Bush invaded?

Timeline of activity on Iraq (un-linkable anymore) . . .


* January 28, 2008

Senator Clinton Welcomes Additional Support for Legislation Requiring Congressional Approval for Security Agreements with Iraq

* December 19, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Senate Iraq Funding Votes

* December 12, 2007

Senator Clinton Calls for Investigation of Reported Rape and Detention of American Contractor in Iraq

* December 6, 2007

Senator Clinton Introduces Legislation to Require Congressional Approval for Security Agreements with Iraq

* November 27, 2007

Senator Clinton Calls on President Bush to Renounce Permanent Bases in Iraq

* October 23, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Bush Administration's Request for Additional Iraq War Funding

* October 4, 2007

Bipartisan Group of Senators Introduce Bill to Require Report on Iraq Redeployment Planning from Administration

* September 26, 2007

Senate Unanimously Approves Clinton Amendment to Increase Temporary Lodging Expenses for Servicemembers

* Senator Clinton Calls for Redeployment Planning

* Statement of Senator Clinton on the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill

* Senator Clinton Announces Legislation to End Authority for Iraq War

* Senator Clinton's Plan to End the War

* Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the President's Speech on Iraq

* Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Iraq Study Group Report

* Statement of Senator Clinton on the Resignation of Secretary Rumsfeld

* September 12, 2007

Letter from Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to President Bush in Advance of His Speech to the Nation on Iraq

* September 12, 2007

Senator Clinton Calls on President Bush to Redeploy U.S. Forces from Iraq at a Faster Pace

* September 11, 2007

Senator Clinton Questions General David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker on Iraq at Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing

* September 6, 2007

Senator Clinton Calls on President Bush to Answer Key Questions on Iraq Policy

* September 6, 2007

Senator Clinton Questions General James Jones (Ret.) on the Findings of the Iraqi Security Forces Independent Assessment Commission

* August 23, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Key Judgments of the Iraq National Intelligence Estimate

* August 22, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton Calling for Political Change in Iraq

* August 22, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton in Response to President Bush's Remarks at the Convention of Veterans of Foreign Wars

* August 13, 2007

Clinton Calls on President Bush to Clarify Administration Policy on Resuming the Military Draft; Affirm His Commitment to the All-Volunteer Force

* August 11, 2007

Clinton Calls on President Bush & Defense Secretary Gates to Clarify Administration Policy on Resuming the Military Draft, and Affirm Their Commitment to an All-volunteer Force

* August 2, 2007

Clinton, Kerry & Boxer Introduce Legislation Requiring Pentagon to Prepare for Iraq Redeployment

* July 31, 2007

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton Questions Admiral Michael Mullen and General James Cartwright at Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing

* July 31, 2007

Nominee for Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Commits to Senator Clinton to Brief Congress on Redeployment Planning

* July 25, 2007

Senator Clinton Applauds Unanimous Senate Approval of Bill to Help Wounded Servicemembers

* July 23, 2007

Senators Clinton, Webb, Byrd & Bayh Call for Armed Services Hearing to Focus on Redeployment of U.S. Forces from Iraq

* July 20, 2007

Clinton Calls on Gates to Explain Pentagon's Position on Planning for the Redeployment of U.S. Forces from Iraq; Renews Call on the Bush Administration to Immediately Provide a Redeployment Strategy

* July 20, 2007

Clinton, Kerry Legislation Requires Pentagon to Prepare for Iraq Redeployment

* July 18, 2007

Senator Clinton Speaks on the Senate Floor on Iraq

* July 12, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Iraq Initial Benchmark Assessment Report

* July 12, 2007

Byrd, Clinton Press for End to Iraq War Resolution

* July 10, 2007

Op-ed: This is Not Our Fight

* June 27, 2007

Senator Clinton Calls for New Foreign Policy to Meet Challenges Around the World

* June 27, 2007

Keynote Address of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at the Center for a New American Security

* June 14, 2007

Senate Armed Services Committee Approves Clinton Measures to Help Wounded Servicemembers

* June 7, 2007

Senator Clinton Questions Lieutenant General Douglas Lute at Senate Armed Services Committee Confirmation Hearing

* May 24, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill

* May 23, 2007

Clinton Calls on Pentagon to Plan for Withdrawal from Iraq

* May 22, 2007

Senator Clinton Sponsors Bill to Provide Free Postage for Military Families

* May 22, 2007

Kerry, Clinton, Emanuel, Murphy and Walz Fight for Full Troop Pay Increase

* May 18, 2007

Senators Clinton & Webb Call for Investigation into the Effectiveness of Body Armor Issued to Our Troops

* May 17, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Internet Video of Apparent Honor Killing

* May 15, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Feingold-Reid and Levin-Reid Amendments

* May 15, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Recent Attack on 10th Mountain Division Soldiers in Iraq

* May 9, 2007

Defense Secretary Unclear if War Authorization Still Applies

* May 3, 2007

Senator Clinton Announces Legislation to End Authority for Iraq War

* May 3, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Floor Statement of Senator Byrd

* May 3, 2007

Senator Clinton Questions U.S. Central Commander Admiral William Fallon at Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing

* May 3, 2007

Byrd, Clinton Call for End of 2002 Use of Force Resolution

* May 1, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the President's Veto of the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill

* April 26, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Passage of Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill

* April 19, 2007

Clinton Presses Bush Pentagon on Contracting Abuses in Iraq

* April 12, 2007

Clinton Continues to Fight for Our Troops & Veterans;

Questions Pentagon and Veterans Affairs Officials About Treatment of Servicemembers and Veterans at Joint Armed Services-Veteran Affairs Committee Hearing

* April 11, 2007

Senators Bayh and Clinton Introduce Legislation to Provide Better Care for Soldiers with Traumatic Brain Injury

* March 29, 2007

Clinton Announces Initiative to Improve Detection and Treatment of Traumatic Brain Injury

* February 17, 2007

Clinton Plan to End War:

Reject the President's Escalation; Protect U.S. Troops in Iraq; Begin Redeploying Our Troops; Enables President to End War Before Leaving Office

* February 14, 2007

Clinton: No Military Action on Iran Without Congressional Authority

* February 13, 2007

Senator Clinton Calls on General Schoomaker to Provide Truthful Assessment of Conditions in Iraq and Afghanistan

* February 8, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Vote on Confirmation of General George W. Casey to be Army Chief of Staff

* February 7, 2007

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton Speaks on Iraq on the Senate Floor

* February 6, 2007

Senator Clinton Raises Iraq and Darfur with Defense Secretary Gates and General Pace, Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff, at a Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing on the Administration's FY 08 Department of Defense Budget Request

* February 1, 2007

Senator Clinton Questions General George Casey Jr. on His Nomination to be United States Army Chief of Staff

* January 30, 2007

Senator Clinton Questions Admiral William J. Fallon, Nominee for Commander, United States Central Command

* January 25, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton Regarding the Pentagon Decision to Extend the Combat Tour of Soldiers from 10th Mountain Division Brigade in Afghanistan

* January 25, 2007

Senator Clinton Questions Defense Secretary William Perry, Ambassador Dennis Ross, and General Jack Keane on Iraq Strategy

* January 23, 2007

Senator Clinton Questions General David Petraeus at Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing

* January 18, 2007

Senator Clinton Discusses Iraq on PBS's NewsHour with Jim Lehrer

* January 18, 2007

Senator Clinton Discusses Iraq on Fox News

* January 17, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Resolution on Iraq Introduced by Senators Biden, Hagel, Levin and Snowe

* January 17, 2007

Bayh, Clinton Call for More Troops in Afghanistan

* January 17, 2007

Senators Bayh and Clinton, Congressman McHugh Discuss Their Visit with US Troops in Iraq & Afghanistan

* January 13, 2007

Senators Bayh and Clinton, Congressman McHugh Complete Iraq Visit, Leave for Afghanistan

* January 12, 2007

Senators Bayh and Clinton, Congressman McHugh Visit US Troops in Iraq & Afghanistan

* January 10, 2007

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the President’s Speech on Iraq

* December 7, 2006

Senator Clinton Questions the Co-Chairs of the Iraq Study Group, James Baker and Lee Hamilton, at a Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing

* December 6, 2006

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Iraq Study Group Report

* December 5, 2006

Senator Clinton Questions Defense Secretary Nominee Robert Gates at the Senate Armed Services Committee Confirmation Hearing

* November 15, 2006

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton Questions General John Abizaid, Commander, U.S. Central Command, and Ambassador David Satterfield, the State Department’s Coordinator for Iraq, at a Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing on the Current Situation and U.S. Military Operations in Iraq and Afghanistan

* November 8, 2006

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Resignation of Secretary Rumsfeld

* October 31, 2006

Senator Clinton Calls for New American Consensus to Meet Foreign Policy Challenges

* October 31, 2006

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's Remarks to the Council on Foreign Relations

* September 29, 2006

Senator Clinton Announces Congress Set to Approve Initiative to Help Service Members Returning from Iraq and Afghanistan and their Families

* September 26, 2006

Clinton Again Calls for Change of Course in Iraq

* September 25, 2006

Senator Clinton, Former Top Military Leaders Highlight Need for Change of Course in Iraq at DPC Oversight Hearing

* September 25, 2006

Senator Clinton on Press Reports surrounding the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) Report on Global Trends of Terrorism and Iraq

* September 21, 2006

Senators Call for GAO Investigation into Charges Administration Used Unqualified Political Cronies to Staff Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq

* September 4, 2006

Statement of Senator Clinton in Support of the Letter to President Bush on Iraq by Democratic Senate and House Leaders

* August 3, 2006

Senator Clinton Presses Secretary Rumsfeld on Bush Administration Policy on Iraq

* August 3, 2006

Senator Clinton Highlights Secretary Rumsfeld's Pattern of Painting Rosy Picture of Iraq

* August 2, 2006

Senator Clinton Calls on Defense Secretary Rumsfeld to Appear Before the Senate Armed Services Committee

* August 2, 2006

Senator Clinton Presses Deputy Defense Secretary on Rumsfeld Forgoing Public Appearance Before the Senate Armed Services Committee

* August 2, 2006

Statement of Senator Clinton on Secretary Rumsfeld’s Decision to Reverse Course and Appear at Tomorrow’s Open Armed Services Committee Hearing

* July 31, 2006

Statement of Senator Clinton on the Letter to President Bush on Iraq by Democratic Senate and House Leaders

* July 25, 2006

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Iraqi Prime Minister’s Comments on Hezbollah

* June 21, 2006

Remarks of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Senate Floor on Iraq

* June 15, 2006

Statement of Senator Clinton on the 2006 Emergency Supplemental for the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and Hurricane Relief

* June 15, 2006

Senator Clinton Introduces Legislation to Help Service Members Returning From Iraq and Afghanistan and their Families

* November 15, 2005

Statement of Senator Clinton on the Iraq Amendments

* October 5, 2005

Senators Reid, Clinton & Others Press President Bush On Iraq Policy

* August 3, 2005

Senator Clinton Joins Other Women Senators in Urging President to Continue to Express US Support for Iraqi Women’s Rights

* January 28, 2005

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Iraqi Elections

* August 30, 2004

Senator Clinton and Colleagues Call Upon Secretary of Defense to Investigate Iraq Security Contract

* May 3, 2004

Statement of Senators Charles E. Schumer and Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Escape of Thomas Hamill From Captivity in Iraq

* February 13, 2004

Senator Clinton Calls on President Bush to Address the Deteriorating Condition of Iraq’s Women

* January 9, 2004

Senators Clinton and Reed Ask President Bush for Details on US Plan for Iraqi Hajj

* November 27, 2003

Senators Reed and Clinton Celebrate Thanksgiving With US Troops Stationed at Two Bases Inside Afghanistan; Headed to Iraq

* November 25, 2003

Senator Clinton Visits Afghanistan, Iraq, Kuwait, and Pakistan

* October 17, 2003

Senator Clinton Votes for Iraq Appropriation In Support of U.S. Troops

* October 16, 2003

Clinton Demands Accountability in Iraq Spending

* October 3, 2003

Clinton-Backed Amendment on Iraq Contracting Passes Senate

* September 22, 2003

Senator Clinton Joins With Members of New York Board of Rabbis and the Jewish Educators Network to Send Torahs to Troops in Iraq

* April 10, 2003

Bipartisan Bill Requires Public Explanations For Closed Bidding On Iraqi Reconstruction

* April 3, 2003

Amendment Introduced by Senators Clinton, Collins & Wyden Calls For Explanations on Awarding of Iraqi Reconstruction Contracts

* March 24, 2003

Statements of Senator Clinton on Iraq and the Wartime Supplemental

* February 4, 2003

Levin, Clinton Urge Bush to Propose U.N. Resolution Authorizing U-2 Flights in Iraq


* October 10, 2002

Floor Speech of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on S.J. Res. 45, A Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq

[rhett o rick]

17. Your point was that she has been tested. She failed the biggest, most important test of all.

She also supported the Patriot Act.

We need a change from the corruption brought to us by the Media and Military Industrial Complex that she embraces.

[cherokeeprogressive]

18. "We came, we saw, he died."

The only disqualifier for the Presidency I'll ever need.

[raindaddy]

13. From a progressive point of view.....

although when it comes to the future nothing is completely clear there are still indicators..

Hillary's refusal to break up the Wall Street banks that have become large a powerful enough to take down the economy. Prior to the Reagan revolution which opened the door for 3rd way politics, allowing bankers to have this kind of power would be an unacceptable situation in the Democratic party.

Hillary's a war hawk. Just her vote for invading Iraq without bothering to read intelligence reports is a red flag. Selling billions of dollars of military hardware to Algeria etc...

Flip flopping on universal health care for all Americans and lying about the cost. She knows better than this, but there's the health insurance industry and drug companies shelling out lots of money and they expect results...

[Armstead]

15. I realize the scale is different, but look at his record as mayor

He had the same hurdle...People thought he was just a leftvwing ideological blowhard who had no clue of how to govern when he was elected by a fluke.

But he rolled up his sleeves and proved that he was an excelkent executive who could organize coalitions, hire goid people and get oractical things done. He consistently was reelected as mayor after that. He even had the admiration of republicans.

Yes the US is not a small city. But the same basic executive qualities and skillsets apply to both positions.

[bigtree]

16. that's fair

...thanks for offering that for consideration.