Politifact Confirms Bernie Sanders’ Healthcare Plan Will SAVE Every American Family $1,200/Year

[sonofspy777]

http://usuncut.com/news/bernie-sanders-healthcare-plan-would-save-the-average-american-family-1200/

The nation’s leading political fact-checker has debunked Hillary Clinton’s recent attacks on Bernie Sanders’ healthcare plan.

According to Politifact’s recent analysis of Bernie Sanders’ proposal to expand Medicare to all Americans under his “Medicare for All” single-payer healthcare system, Sanders’ plan would save the average household between $505 and $1,823 per year — just shy of a $1,200 average cost savings. While this figure is lower than the Sanders campaign’s estimate of $3,855 to $5,173 in savings, it still means American families will pay less under single-payer healthcare than they currently do under the Affordable Care Act.

Sanders’ plan is modeled after single-payer legislation he introduced in 2013, which outlines how the plan would be implemented and paid for on a nationwide scale. First, Sanders would impose a 6.7 percent payroll tax on employers, along with a 2.2 percent healthcare tax on those making less than $250,000 per year. Sanders includes higher percentages for incomes above $250,000 in his legislation (the richest 2 percent of the U.S. population) and a 5.4 percent surcharge on the wealthiest Americans whose modified adjusted gross income is above $1,000,000 (literally less than 1 percent of Americans). Sanders’ bill also includes a 0.02 percent financial transactions tax on Wall Street trading.

So what are Americans getting in return for all these new taxes? As it turns out, quite a lot.

more at the link

(Pushing Matariki's post to combat the you-know-who..)

[djean111]

1. I can't believe the duplicitous lying shit of those who are braying about how much this will cost -

as if it is on top of our current obscene spending for LESS health care.

Oh, wait - yes I can believe they would lie about it, never mind.

[morningfog]

2. They have to lie, there is no other way to challenge it.

[coyote]

5. As Hillary gets more desperate...

the attacks will get nastier and nastier.

[Protalker]

3. Deduct profit from insurers

The profit from health insurers gets subtracted from cost of his program.

[Recursion]

12. It's about 4% of total spending

Not nearly the dragon people make it out to be, though obviously 4% is better than nothing.

Hospital profits, on the other hand...

[PoliticAverse]

4. 'average" is not the same as 'every' btw. n/t

[djean111]

6. We all know that, really, we do. And again, acting as if this amount is ADDITIONAL to what

we are spending now is a big fat deliberate lie.

[tazkcmo]

9. Wow.

That changes everything. Thank you for defining the word "average" for me.

[Recursion]

14. Except, *some* families will take home less

So the headline is just false.

[IADEMO2004]

7. How will it get to his desk to sign? House and Senate slipping away to GOP

I have no hope for progress in the near future.

[jeff47]

11. As long as we let the GOP define what is possible, we lose.

The point is not to sign this bill shortly after taking office.

The point is to show what we would like to do for the people, so that they will elect more Democrats.

As long as we allow the GOP to define what is possible, we lose. Because we are playing on their turf by their rules.

[Omaha Steve]

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[ljm2002]

27. And how will it get to Hillary's desk again?

Oh right, it won't, because it will never be proposed in the first place.

Well if you like that approach better, I guess we know who you are supporting in the primary.

[IADEMO2004]

30. Go get a hot chocolate and cookie. When you are finished consider

the possibility I'm not attacking "The Bern"

[ljm2002]

31. Oh grow up...

...and consider just stating what you want to say next time.

Are you actually concerned as to how anything will get to Bernie's desk if he is the President? And if so, are you equally concerned as to what will, or will not, ever make it to Hillary's desk if she is the President? Because from where I sit, Bernie will at least try and get things addressed that ought to be addressed. Hillary, not so much.

[leftofcool]

8. Except it doesn't. "Average" does not mean "every" family

Sheesh!

[Doctor_J]

10. Not EVERY American. It will cost the United Healthcare CEO tens of millions

And he is the type of voter courted by Republicans and DINOs

[TCJ70]

13. Depending on what the end result is...

...it could cost my family money. We're all on my wife's insurance through her work as my works offering would be more expensive. Total we drop around $500 a month. Estimates I've seen are 300-400 a month under Sander's plan. That's 100-300 more for my family. I'm all for single payer but let's not use absolutes when describing the effects. That's what got the ACA in some trouble.

[Goblinmonger]

20. I don't get your math.

Right now you spend around $500 a month. The estimates you give for Sander's plan is $300-$400 a month. TO ME, that looks liek you save $100-$200 a month.

[TCJ70]

22. At the moment...

...nothing gets taken out of my check for insurance and it all comes out of my wife's. If the Sanders plan does end up being $300-400 per person, we'll end up paying more. I see how I didn't make that clear. Sorry.

[Goblinmonger]

23. Gotcha

Now it makes sense.

[Delmette]

33. Question for you.

Would we be able to drop the medical riders on our auto and homeowners/renters insurance? If yes, there's another chunk of money we don't have to pay insurance companies. And what about workers comp insurance the employers pay, would that go away?

[Faux pas]

15. Kickin'

[frazzled]

16. WOULD, not WILL

It has to pass Congress first, an extremely unlikely scenario even if Democrats were to retake both houses of Congress. Unless we take the Senate on a scale of, at minimum, 65-35, the Republicans (and a few conservative Dems) could filibuster any legislation.

Saying it does not make it so.

[Goblinmonger]

21. Kind of counters the bullshit lies the Clinton camp is tell, though.

And the message needs to get out to people so that they not only vote for Sanders but that we get Dem coattails, too.

[frazzled]

25. You're not very up to date on Senate races

If Democrats hold all 10 seats they have up for re-election, take the three toss-up states (WI, IL, and PA), and turn several red states to blue, it would give us at best a 51-49 seat situation. And we could well do this. To get a 60 seat majority would be nigh impossible at this juncture.

Your idea of "coattails" seems a bit naive. I know hope reigns supreme, but it's not realistic to think presidential coattails will prevail in deep red states, which will vote for the Republican candidate at any rate.

[Goblinmonger]

29. So nothing Clinton wants to do matters either.

All we need to do now is discuss SCOTUS seat appointments.

[ljm2002]

28. "Saying it does not make it so."...

...that's true. It is also true that Not saying it does make it not so.

[SoapBox]

17. Go Bernie!

[40RatRod]

19. I prefer Medicare for all too, but...

...unless we sweep the elections in both Senate and House, there is not a snowball's chance in hades of actually getting Medicare for all.
Given that cold hard fact, we will have a much better chance to improve on the ACA.

[MadDAsHell]

24. Universal healthcare yes. "Medicare for All", no.

"Medicare for All" is a bumper sticker slogan that people love to quote, especially people that have never taken even a moment to look into the math of Medicare.

My sister is an RN at a not-for-profit brain-injury rehabilitation facility. In a good year, they may end up in the black $50,000 to cover raises, new equipment, new positions, etc.

Their allowable cost-per-day (as calculated by Medicaid) is somewhere around $850. While her organization still takes a bath on Medicaid (considering there are other healthcare costs that Medicaid doesn't consider reimbursable PLUS Medicaid runs, at a minimum, a year behind on cost calculations), they get a handful of patients with commercial insurance that make up the difference.

Medicare on the other hand pays them $350 a day for the exact same care, an amount that would shut the program down within A YEAR if all their patients were reimbursed by Medicare.

But the "Medicare for All" bumper-sticker defenders don't care, because they've never taken the time to even look.

[ljm2002]

26. I do wish people woul try and be accurate...

...no way does it save EVERY American family $12,000. It saves American families $12,000 ON AVERAGE.

People hear "every" and they think "Oh great, that means my family will save $12,000!". Then they are disappointed when analysis shows that for them the savings is only, say, $4,000. While for others the savings are greater.

I know it's picky. But still, it does give an inaccurate picture, and it is important to remain as accurate as possible.

[mythology]

32. Given that Sanders hasn't released the current plan

This is blatantly false.

Even the politifact article points out that the Sanders plan doesn't raise what is estimated to be needed.

Also the plan seems to be cooking the books by estimating 0 for copay and deductibles where his 2013 proposed bill had both.

Sanders still undefined proposal relies on cutting more than 40% of costs. That's unrealistic at best.

So politifact can call it true, but even even they admit they can't substantiate that.