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[underthematrix]

1. Damn your nephew gave you a bad case of the feels.

#ImWithHer too

[Ilsa]

2. Hell, I wish my relatives voted for Democrats.

Any dems, DINOs, anyone with a big D after their name. Too many of my kin vote R.

I'm voting for Sen. Sanders, myself, but I can't bring myself to be disappointed in those who support Sec. Clinton.

[TheBlackAdder]

17. Yeah, really! We want a Dem in the White House. I have extended family who are baggers! nt

[one_voice]

32. .

[last1standing]

3. You can either write him out of the will or accept him for who he is.

I learned a long time ago that what I see as obvious others might never understand. And it goes both ways.

I agree with everything you said until you stated that you were disappointed with him. He's a grown man who has his own opinions and beliefs. I don't agree with them but I respect them just as I hope he respects yours and mine.

Now if he'd said he was voting for Trump, then you should have written him out of the will.

[JonLeibowitz]

10. I learned not to be disappointed with my family's Republican leanings.

However, saying that truth is propaganda does deserve a fair bit of head-wagging.

[last1standing]

13. I attributed that to the heat of the conversation.

If he really believes that, he needs a dictionary and a good book on WWII.

[SheilaT]

4. It's one thing for him to honestly think

Hillary is the better choice. But to think that truth and propaganda are the same thing shows a horrifying degree of ignorance.

Of course, his admission that he's not a progressive, does make his support of Hillary more understandable.

[liberal N proud]

5. Every citizen is entitled to vote as they choose

No matter how we feel about it.


The important thing is that they vote and that we do not do anything to interfere with that right least we become like the Republicans.

[Kalidurga]

6. I am sorry to hear that.

It's rough when you find out your own family can't logic. My daughters are all more conservative than I am. I wouldn't say they are conservative at least not socially. But, they sure don't get the idea of free college or single payer and they squawk about taxes just like the most odious of Hillary supporters.

[Punkingal]

7. Another casualty to the myth of what a great president Bill was. Sad.

[Cali_Democrat]

8. Your nephew is a smart person. nt

[cosmicone]

9. You have a great nephew with a real head on his shoulders

you should learn from him.

He has his feet firmly planted on pragmatic soil and he is not going to chase unicorns, sparkleponies and pixie dust like others.

Kudos to your nephew.

[JonLeibowitz]

12. Ah, the Clinton definition of "pragmatism" is "truth is propaganda". Suddenly, everything is clear!

[Fawke Em]

18. Pragmatism will kill us.

Now, that strange woman has called for more sanctions on Iran after they were just lifted.

[Political_Junkie]

19. ooh, I remember

Being told that I was chasing those when I chose Obama over Hillary. History really does repeat itself, or is that just Hillary's fanbase repeating itself?

[BooScout]

11. He sounds like a pretty smart and well informed young man to me.

You should listen to him.

[Unknown Beatle]

15. He's claiming he's not progressive

and I'm definitely progressive but I should listen to him? Hillary is no progressive and my nephew claims knows she isn't.

[MoonRiver]

14. You should be proud of your smart nephew!

Although I am not a fan of NAFTA, Bill Clinton's presidency produced an era of great prosperity and peace in our country. Unfortunately an a-hole named bush destroyed all that.

[Hiraeth]

16. doing well in today's economy is he?

my bet. could be wrong.

[anigbrowl]

20. Have you considered the possibility that he simply doesn't agree with you?

A lot of people advance their opinions on various topics as new facts in the assumption that the person they're talking to would feel the same way as they did, were they but aware of the information. It does not seem to occur to them that the other person might be perfectly well aware of the historical context but hold different views about the significance or implications of the policy issue in question.

[Metric System]

21. I think it's Sanders supporters who require purity tests.

[MineralMan]

22. Your nephew is 40 years old.

That is old enough to make decisions for himself. I am 70 years old. I'm voting for Hillary, too. I'm an adult. So is your nephew. I'm sorry, but adults make their own decisions, based on their own reasoning. That your nephew is making a decision that is different from yours doesn't mean he's stupid. It means that he has his own mind. That's all it means. Adults decide for themselves how to vote, among other things.

[Juicy_Bellows]

23. You can lead a horse to water...

The line about truth being propaganda is wild though - that's a bit troubling.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. You should e-mail this thread to your nephew, just to be sure he knows what you think of him./nt

[JTFrog]

36. Agreed. n/t

[randome]

25. It's bad enough that DUers are at each other's throats for something so mundane as politics.

You want the same for your family? Bad move, UB.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

[EdwardBernays]

26. Most of my relatives are Republican

You're Lucky

[sonofspy777]

27. I understand completely.

Their countrymen are suffering and they don't get it and they don't care.

This country USED to be about taking care of one another and the government

actually helped in that effort. What a selfish bunch of "I've got mine" neocons.

You should of put this in Bernie's forum. The swarm is vicious here in GDP...





Here's to Bernie He'll win the nom and the General Election and people will

be introduced or re-introduced to compassion and be subjected to speed learning

of what it means to care for their fellow citizens.


Yours in solidarity...

[virgogal]

28. I can't believe that you are disappointed in a nephew because of political differences.

There are so many more important things.

A couple of my own kids(all middle-aged)have political differences with me.

We avoid arguments and I'm very proud of them.

[cheapdate]

29. The messages about the innate goodness and superiority

of capitalism, business, "American exceptionalism", etc. etc. are repeated and reinforced in a thousand ways from the time a young person begins kindergarten until they're grown with a family of their own.

Hillary Clinton has what might be called a "traditional" understanding of the proper relationship between government and business, and a "traditional" evangelical zeal to impose American style capitalism and democracy on the unenlightened countries around the world. She brims with "traditional" patriotism that worships the military and would gladly take extraordinary measure to root out dissent and protect the homeland.

It's a narrative that is reinforced in a thousand ways. I don't condemn those people who fall into it. I try offer a different narrative, with different heroes. What else can you do?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. Maybe I see irony where others don't.

Maybe I see irony where others don't. That's an interesting defense of a gentleman who takes to the internet to lambaste his nephew for choosing a different candidate:

"...I honestly thought that my nephew was politically intelligent, but obviously he isn't. I'm doubting that he's intelligent at all..."

-Unknown Beatle

"...She brims with "traditional" patriotism that worships the military and would gladly take extraordinary measure to root out dissent and protect the homeland..."

-cheapdate

While I am it can you share with me what "extraordinary measures" has Hillary Clinton advocated to quell dissent?


Thank you in advance.


Respectfully,
DSB

[cheapdate]

45. Okay, that was badly spoken.

What I meant to say, was that Hillary Clinton (as I understand her, rightly or wrongly) takes a strong stance on matters of law and order and national security. The dramatic expansion of the surveillance state, which began under Bush and has continued under Obama, would I believe proceed without interruption under Clinton.

That doesn't make her a cretin, it puts her in accord with the majority of Americans who consistently rank "national security" high on their list of concerns and who view increased surveillance as a a justifiable means toward that end.

Maybe I'm off base, but that's how I see it.

[dsc]

30. Maybe you should send him to bed without his supper

no wait he is freaking 40 years old. Just where do you get off being disappointed in him because he doesn't believe what you believe? He is an adult, and adults in this country don't have to do what their older relatives think they should do, they get to do what they want. You are little different than those who are disappointed in their adult children for being gay, or marrying a person of the wrong religion, or what ever else they did that differed from the plans that their parents and aunts and uncles laid out for them. I would feel the same way about someone who posted this about any other candidate as well. There is a person in your family who needs to grow up and it isn't him.

[virtualobserver]

31. It could be worse....my cousins think that Obama is the antichrist

I had to completely disassociate myself from them.

[Beacool]

33. I think I like your nephew.

Good for him. He's entitled to vote for the candidate of his choice.

So, the fact that he doesn't support your candidate means that in your opinion he's not intelligent?

Wow.........

[one_voice]

34. I have two grown children..

one: #i'mwithher the other #feelsthebern

they have differences and they agree on a lot. They both hate the repukes. And will vote for the eventual nominee.

One of them, strong 2a supporter. Excellent shot. but believes in strong regulation. thinks ammo should be regulated like cold med-that's a joke. The other despises guns. but they talk about it all the time. That's one of their differences. They both think we should have universal health care & college education should be much, much more affordable.

They're good liberals with strong opinions--but they always respect someone elses.

[pansypoo53219]

35. you are acting like he is for tRUMP.

the clinton years were are bright spot between crap.

[hack89]

37. Disagreeing with you = stupid

you must be a lot of fun at family get togethers.

[Recursion]

39. I'm about his age and I think Bill was one of the greatest Presidents ever

Maybe it's a generational thing? I mean, it doesn't particularly make me support Hillary Clinton, but I definitely loved his administration and think he did a lot of great stuff for the country, and left it much better than he found it.

[ejbr]

40. At least he's not a Repig

My parents and sister are Hillary supporters. I don't have the heart to attempt to enlighten them; they know I support Sanders. Even still, there appear to be a lot of thoughtful, caring people who know what she's about who continue to support her. It's just unfortunate their priorities are different than ours.

[CajunBlazer]

41. He should very be disapointed in you - and Bill is the most popular politician in the US

Were do you get off calling another unintelligent person only because he doesn't agree with your opinions. You should be ashamed of yourself. Since you obviously can't express yourself without the F word, it is pretty clear why he doesn't follow your example.

And oh, by the way. It seems that it you, not your nephew, who is in the minority. Maybe your nephew is the smart one in the family. From an Washington post article:

"Bill Clinton is almost certainly the most popular person in American politics. A new NBC-Wall Street Journal poll showed that 56 percent of people have a positive view of the former president while just 26 percent hold a negative one."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/03/13/bill-clinton-is-incredibly-popular-how-much-will-that-help-hillarys-2016-campaign/

And oh, by the way, Bill Clinton was pretty popular when he left office:

"If I asked you to name the modern era US president that had the highest approval rating when they left the White House, who would you guess?

Ronald Reagan? John F. Kennedy? Bill Clinton?

The answer - Bill Clinton.

When Bill Clinton finished his second term and left the White House in 2001, he had an approval rating of 66%. This is an unbelievable number, especially given how polarized the country is just ten years later."

http://www.davemanuel.com/which-modera-era-president-left-office-with-the-highest-approval-rating-101/

[Matariki]

42. You're lucky. Some of us have relatives that like Ben Carson and Carly Fiorina

Or worse, Donald Trump.

Count your blessings and give your nephew a hug.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

43. Nice.

Your post should be framed. It perfectly sums up why many of us undecideds are so turned off by Bernie supporters. The arrogance bleeds through the screen.

[PowerToThePeople]

44. Life is easier if you get on board

and follow the propaganda and kowtow to tptb.

I prefer to live an honest and moral existence over an easy existence.

[Empowerer]

46. Why would you take to a public forum to tell everyone you think your nephew is stupid because he

supports a different candidate than you?

You're lucky your nephew has anything to do with you at all. But then, he probably doesn't know that you go around belittling him behind his back to strangers.

[coyote]

48. Thank you armchair critic

People go on discussions boards everyday and criticize people, personal or otherwise. He's venting and telling one story of millions everyday. Geez.

[Sheepshank]

47. Using politics to write off your own family member ? It's just wrong

You complain that he believes pro Hillary propaganda, and you just fed him raft of ianti Hillary propaganda and you are mad because he isnt buying it? You are wrong here. I hope he finds a way to forgive your assholishness to him.

[Unknown Beatle]

49. You don't know him like I do.

Do you think this is the first time any family member has written somebody off because of politics?

Get a life, sheepshank.