2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo Let Me Get This Straight... She Sends Her Daughter Out To Lie... And Then Goes Full-On NeoCon...
Opposing The Obama Adminisration By Re-Instituting Sanctions On Iran ???And you expect our votes ???
Link1: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jan/14/chelsea-clinton/chelsea-clinton-mischaracterizes-bernie-sanders-he/
Link2: http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/266173-clinton-calls-for-new-sanctions-on-iran
Good luck with that.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)I guess she thinks she can appeal to disillusioned republicans.
global1
(26,507 posts)TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)Amazing!
thesquanderer
(13,006 posts)Of course, he'll endorse whoevere gets the nomination, though.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)The Iran Deal is viewed as one of his main achievements, and he took a lot of shit from the right for it.
thesquanderer
(13,006 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)That has been evident since 2011, which is why Obama fired Petraeus and graciously accepted Madam Secretary's resignation.
840high
(17,196 posts)heck was she thinking?
Snarkoleptic
(6,235 posts)As we say in the midwest, "you is what you is".
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Uncle Joe
(65,136 posts)1. The angry misguided for the most part white voters that feel like the government has screwed them over, so government or establishment is the problem. Bernie is the best antidote to this type of misdirected anger, for he serves to enlighten them as to who the real culprits behind their misery are, the corruption of government by Wall Street and the string pulling plutocrats. This is why Bernie has generally stacked up better against Trump than Hillary.
2. I believe Hillary has now come to realize this and knowing that she has no chance of capturing them as they're firmly anti-establishment, is going after the second pillar of Trump supporters, the racists, xenophobes and "American Exceptionalist" believers, by talking shit about leveling sanctions against Iran the day after President Obama's major diplomatic victory.
Thanks for the thread, WillyT.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I think they are throwing the election. This country is sick of war and more war. Only the Republican establishment want more war.
Uncle Joe
(65,136 posts)Hillary also knows the Democratic grassroots plus most Independents are to the left of the Democratic Establishment.
I believe that Hillary believes that desperate times call for desperate measures in her quest for the White House, so she's willing to send Chelsea out to lie on her behalf, trash talk the Iranians the day after President Obama gets a great diplomatic victory.
Hillary has trashed Medicare for all, just because Bernie is proposing it.
With the exception of the gun issue and that's marginal because of her own wild swings, Hillary is tracking hard right.
Hillary knows that Bernie is kicking tail with the Independents and that Independents make up the largest segment of the electorate, she needs a slice of that pie so she's going for the right wing side of it.
I believe Bernie's ad about the "two visions of the Democratic Party" really struck a nerve, Hillary knows that she doesn't have the high moral ground to straight run for the primary nomination as a Democrat.
I do believe with Hillary it has always been more a brand than a heartfelt ideology anyway.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Maybe she pictures a repeat of 68 where the peaceniks are outside being beaten to a pulp by the cops.
draa
(975 posts)This should be repeated over and over. It can't be said enough.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)had gone off the deep end like that. But lives didn't matter in Iraq so why bother now?
AzDar
(14,023 posts)than once thought?
Whatever the reason, I have NEVER been more grateful for a candidate like Bernie...
Capt.Rocky300
(1,005 posts)"She's Come Undone".
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)against the United States for its destabilizing and reckless
missiles and nuclear weapons.
As a vet, I find the jingoistic bombast and threats nauseating.
It took me a long time to get over my Pro-US chauvinism, but
once I did, I could never again be a spear carrier for the empire.
Actually, I wish Bernie were more of a peacenik too.
Veterans For Peace
newfie11
(8,159 posts)As a vet myself, I echo what you just said.
jalan48
(14,914 posts)That's what happens when a politician continually changes positions on major issues. I don't think she really has a "core" she can go to. Bernie has been consistent over the years-he doesn't need to justify changed positions on the issues or do the political dance to get votes.
Marie Marie
(11,309 posts)Just when we seem to be making some progress in our dealings with them. Do we need to tread cautiously with Iran - of course we do but her timing on this just boggles the mind.
Beartracks
(14,591 posts)Single-payer: Bad.
Undermine Dem Prez and threaten Iran: Good.
indeed.
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restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)like a clown at a funeral - shocking - unfathomable
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)does not help in the short term - in fact it hurts - she may be out in 6 weeks
ex presidents can get the daily briefs - something may have been pass from bill
merrily
(45,251 posts)Kall
(615 posts)I always felt she was dishonest, but I thought she was at least more intelligent than this.
dogman
(6,073 posts)Does she have to be tough and preempt the GOPs?
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)Maybe all that technocratic focus group algorythm stuff has painted her into that corner now. I mean, by those metrics and in a very "by the numbers" way, they are going full-tilt center-right as a relexive way of opposing her challenger - And: having fully bought the notion made by the clueless pundits and talking heads that the US is a center-right nation.
It's what I would call this as not a freak crash, but a controlled flight into terrain: Fat, dumb and happy till the lights go out.
Ino
(3,366 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)as vindication of Bernie's challenge for the nomination. There is just no way she'd do this unless her internal polling indicated that Bernie's won. K&R
fbc
(1,668 posts)anything to get elected.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)she is certain to get a large swath of those voters, even without her neocon credentials. She could, in theory, win the Democratic primary with Republican votes- were it not for the fact that too many Republicans are fed up, too, and many are looking at Bernie. It may well be a wild ride. Hard to say yet.
merrily
(45,251 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)They must be defeated.
Gene Debs
(582 posts)not only does Bernie Sanders win the nomination, but then that causes both Bill and Hillary Clinton just go the fuck away and fade into comfortable, albeit permanent, obscurity.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)If she goes on like this, I may refuse to ever vote for her. She is starting to act like the equal of a great evil, rather than the lesser of two evils.