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Bernie doesn't sound presidential (Original Post) hill2016 Jan 2016 OP
That would be best I think. ismnotwasm Jan 2016 #1
I remember back when Republicans would say that Jimmy Carter was not 'Presidential.' nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #83
He does, when he is attacked by a bias host. darkangel218 Jan 2016 #2
And all the right-wing Hillary lies jfern Jan 2016 #3
you expect a fair fight when Trump gets the nomination? hill2016 Jan 2016 #6
Well, it won't be less fair than this jfern Jan 2016 #17
if he can't handle a debate without getting rattle hill2016 Jan 2016 #4
Trump sounds quite angry too, most of the time?? darkangel218 Jan 2016 #8
he doesnt sound rattled to me, Champion Jack Jan 2016 #61
Lester Holt did not attack him. asuhornets Jan 2016 #25
He didn't? darkangel218 Jan 2016 #27
Lester Holt is as annoying as hell! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2016 #35
Exactly!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2016 #32
Yes, Lester Holt makes it obvious Joe Turner Jan 2016 #34
He started right off with it in the beginning. He's annoying and is detracting from this debate! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2016 #42
So you are saying the reason Sanders was practically foaming at the mouth and waving his arms asuhornets Jan 2016 #73
Well, this is rich. Foaming at the mouth and nearly hitting a woman. OMG. libdem4life Jan 2016 #79
What does "presidential" sound like? The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #5
calm, composed, dignified, rational hill2016 Jan 2016 #10
There are times when a little righteous indignation is appropriate. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #21
Calm, like Ben Carson? The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #50
That's not calm that's comatose! n/t livetohike Jan 2016 #78
Anything that doesn't agree with Camp Weathervane is NOT presidential. hobbit709 Jan 2016 #11
Easy, don't raise taxes, he gonna tear up Obamas ACA that we worked Autumn Jan 2016 #22
Fuck yeah, he's angry! And he's fighting for us! Go Bernie! dinkytron Jan 2016 #7
That's the Bernie I wanted to see tonight... litlbilly Jan 2016 #15
Exactly!!! Bernie does not take any bullshit! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2016 #44
I think he sounds very presidential . . fleur-de-lisa Jan 2016 #9
I want a President who will fight for me! earthside Jan 2016 #54
Yep! fleur-de-lisa Jan 2016 #56
absolutely Champion Jack Jan 2016 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author dinkytron Jan 2016 #12
When I doorknocked for him in a Burlington mayoral race, i heard a similar thing. grntuscarora Jan 2016 #13
He's sounding real presidential to me. eom saltpoint Jan 2016 #14
He reminds me of the old time democrats that got something done for the people!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2016 #45
Damn right. Or, even better, saltpoint Jan 2016 #49
+1. nt nc4bo Jan 2016 #57
He does seem a bit stuck in his groove. ucrdem Jan 2016 #16
As should The Left too, right? nc4bo Jan 2016 #18
LOL, you people crack me up. nt Logical Jan 2016 #19
I agree.. asuhornets Jan 2016 #20
me smiley Jan 2016 #66
anger is fine. but one can only appreciate a crecendo when tishaLA Jan 2016 #23
If you are not angry, you haven't been paying attention. JackBeck Jan 2016 #24
+1 n/t ejbr Jan 2016 #39
Someone needs to kick ass, and Bernie can do it!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2016 #47
He's pissed off and he's not going to take it anymore! nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #26
Talking about Bernie? Hillary just yelled at the top of her lungs like a wild person!! nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #28
Quite hostile alcibiades_mystery Jan 2016 #29
Hillary was just screaming, sooooooo..... nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #33
... alcibiades_mystery Jan 2016 #37
Quite hostile and un-presidential. Just sayin... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #41
I don't have the slightest idea what you're on about alcibiades_mystery Jan 2016 #43
Well, that's weird, since you are right here in this thread. ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #46
There is no standard anymore Glamrock Jan 2016 #30
Actually, conflict driven media has set the tone loyalsister Jan 2016 #67
You mean he doesn't sound like ... Old Union Guy Jan 2016 #31
Yep, Bernie says what needs to be said. There's no facade with Bernie! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2016 #52
Pssh votesparks Jan 2016 #36
That's the problem. Too many have stayed quiet & sat down allowing the status quo to southerncrone Jan 2016 #38
If the only requirement for a "presidential" demeanor is seeming "calm," The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #40
Yep, Ben Carson is the sure winner! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2016 #55
LOL KentuckyWoman Jan 2016 #48
+1 n/t ejbr Jan 2016 #51
Yes he does. Nt RedCappedBandit Jan 2016 #53
Hahaha! Liberal Jesus Freak Jan 2016 #58
He clings to his canned talking points and sounds angry R B Garr Jan 2016 #59
Those "canned talking points" are about issues Americans grntuscarora Jan 2016 #63
They are applause lines, and they get less R B Garr Jan 2016 #64
Keep telling yourself that. grntuscarora Jan 2016 #65
You tell yourself whatever you want also. R B Garr Jan 2016 #71
The people are angry..2 months he or MOM will be your candidate... pipoman Jan 2016 #60
Yes, he does. He sounds fine. However, you sound worried. Perhaps you need a xanex. Hiraeth Jan 2016 #68
He sounds more like an activist than President. Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #69
And that's the change I'm voting for right there. ;) nt retrowire Jan 2016 #70
Sanders had a very bad night tonight Gothmog Jan 2016 #72
Well, this post sounds even funnier 2 days later. Kentonio Jan 2016 #74
New Poll Shows ‘Surging’ Sanders Losing Ground With the Voter Group He Needs Most Gothmog Jan 2016 #81
Or that poll is wrong. Kentonio Jan 2016 #82
I have not seen any polling showing any movement by POC towards Sanders Gothmog Jan 2016 #85
I just posted the funniest thing I ever read...thanks, this Trumps it! EndElectoral Jan 2016 #75
Hill sounds like a condecending elitist bowens43 Jan 2016 #76
Being cool has its place... Orsino Jan 2016 #77
That sounds downright sexist. Hillary is Plastic and Packaged...no emotion. And, he, libdem4life Jan 2016 #80
Have you ever listened to Clinton when she's on a roll? Armstead Jan 2016 #84
 

Joe Turner

(930 posts)
34. Yes, Lester Holt makes it obvious
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:57 PM
Jan 2016

he is Hillary's corner. He has turned this debate into a kangaroo court for Hillary.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
42. He started right off with it in the beginning. He's annoying and is detracting from this debate! n/t
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:59 PM
Jan 2016

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
73. So you are saying the reason Sanders was practically foaming at the mouth and waving his arms
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:56 PM
Jan 2016

wildly in the air is because of the so called bias host? He almost hit Hillary in the head by the way.

 

hill2016

(1,772 posts)
10. calm, composed, dignified, rational
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:50 PM
Jan 2016

this is the guy who has his finger on the nuclear trigger. Wouldn't you want to make sure he is calm when making decisions?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
21. There are times when a little righteous indignation is appropriate.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:53 PM
Jan 2016

Displaying a bit of anger is not evidence of a lack of control. Even Obama has shown anger now and then. In fact, he's been criticized for being too calm. I guess it's all a matter of who is being evaluated....

Autumn

(45,084 posts)
22. Easy, don't raise taxes, he gonna tear up Obamas ACA that we worked
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:53 PM
Jan 2016

50 years to get and we can't afford single payer and we need to help the insurance companies provide blah blah blah horseshit.

fleur-de-lisa

(14,624 posts)
9. I think he sounds very presidential . .
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:50 PM
Jan 2016

He is discussing all the issues I care about in exactly the right tone. Someone needs to shout about the excesses of Wall Street and the insurance industry.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
54. I want a President who will fight for me!
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:09 PM
Jan 2016

That sounds very 'presidential' to me.

If I want just a status quo recipient of Goldman Sachs speaking fees, well, Mrs. Clinton is your candidate.

Face it, this debate is all about Sen. Sanders progressive proposals and all Hillary is doing is defending the status quo.

Response to hill2016 (Original post)

grntuscarora

(1,249 posts)
13. When I doorknocked for him in a Burlington mayoral race, i heard a similar thing.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:51 PM
Jan 2016

"He doesn't look mayoral."
Pretty funny, looking back on it.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
49. Damn right. Or, even better,
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:04 PM
Jan 2016

damn Left.

I hear a public servant in Sanders' words. I'm not hearing it from what's-her-name.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
18. As should The Left too, right?
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:52 PM
Jan 2016

Calm down and vote for the annointed one because it's her turn and she's a woman.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
20. I agree..
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:52 PM
Jan 2016

Sanders is almost foaming at the mouth.. Flailing his arms in the air. Who wants to see that for the next four years.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
67. Actually, conflict driven media has set the tone
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:34 PM
Jan 2016

Even people who claim to hate it love it. People wanted Obama to get really angry. People respond to Donald Trump's hate speech and gigantic ego. And, people seem to enjoy the conflict between Sanders and Clinton.
People watch cable news that have pundits with opposing opinions have discussions that devolve into anger for entertainment and pretend news. People have come to expectdemand it from politicians.

southerncrone

(5,506 posts)
38. That's the problem. Too many have stayed quiet & sat down allowing the status quo to
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:58 PM
Jan 2016

continue to keep most Americans down & raised the power & bank accounts of those already in power.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
40. If the only requirement for a "presidential" demeanor is seeming "calm,"
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:59 PM
Jan 2016

then I guess we can say Ben Carson and Jeb! Bush are presidential, too.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
48. LOL
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:04 PM
Jan 2016

If the man utters the F bomb during a debate I know 5 people who aren't planning on voting at all in the primary that will go to vote for him.

People are pretty pissed off. Having someone relay that frustration on the national stage is cathartic.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
59. He clings to his canned talking points and sounds angry
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:13 PM
Jan 2016

when he is challenged to deviate. He's really unraveled this debate. He does not sound Presidential at all. His facial reactions look petulant like he's trying to keep up his picked on victim status.

grntuscarora

(1,249 posts)
63. Those "canned talking points" are about issues Americans
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:20 PM
Jan 2016

care deeply about.
It's called "staying on message", and it's going to get him elected.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
64. They are applause lines, and they get less
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:27 PM
Jan 2016

response as these debates go on. He doesn't deviate from them. He couldn't name one Wall Street executive he would prosecute when he was on an interview with Bloomberg on MSNBC, so it's gimmicky applause lines.

What he does is called GRANDSTANDING, it's not staying on message.



Gothmog

(145,238 posts)
81. New Poll Shows ‘Surging’ Sanders Losing Ground With the Voter Group He Needs Most
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 06:32 PM
Jan 2016

And Sanders is still not polling well with African American or Latino voters http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/poll-sanders-gains-stop-short-of-minorities.html#


Team Sanders is certainly focused on the problem, with a variety of campaign efforts focused on minority voters in the works. The talking points they are putting out there, however, are less than convincing, as I learned as a guest on the public radio show "To the Point" yesterday, when I heard a Sanders supporter argue that an Iowa win would greatly boost Bernie's African-American support just like it did for Obama in South Carolina in 2008. The idea that Sanders's potential to win the black vote in South Carolina is analogous to that of the first African-American president does not pass the laugh test. Still, any early-state win for Sanders, even in exceptionally honkified Iowa and New Hampshire, will likely create some sort of generalized bounce. The question is how high, and how loyal minority voters prove to be to Hillary Clinton, her husband, and her implicit ally Barack Obama. It's worth remembering that she defeated Barack Obama handily among Latinos in 2008, and that Bill Clinton enjoyed robust support in both communities.

Monmouth University has a new national poll out that casts some fascinating, if very preliminary, light on this subject. Compared to its poll in December, Monmouth shows Sanders making pretty big gains: Clinton was up 59-to-26 last month, and only 52-to-37 now. But among black and Latino voters, Clinton has actually expanded her lead from 61-to-18 to 71-to-21. In other words, a legitimate "Sanders surge" nationally has coincided with a deterioration of his standing with the voters he will most need for a breakthrough after the first two contests of the primary season.

Sanders is actually losing ground with African American voters

Sanders is not winning over African American voters and will not be the nominee unless he can expand his base of supporters

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
77. Being cool has its place...
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 03:06 PM
Jan 2016

...but a platform that takes on heretofore unspeakable taboos really ought to sound a bit angrier.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
80. That sounds downright sexist. Hillary is Plastic and Packaged...no emotion. And, he,
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 04:59 PM
Jan 2016

being a man, should not show emotion. Maybe they traded gender roles or something. Ridiculous and risable.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
84. Have you ever listened to Clinton when she's on a roll?
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 06:58 PM
Jan 2016

Her manufactured anger is not presidential.

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