2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie doesn't sound presidential
He does come off as quite angry. He should calm down.
ismnotwasm
(41,980 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,195 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Anyone would be angry!! So what's your point????
jfern
(5,204 posts)hill2016
(1,772 posts)oh my.
jfern
(5,204 posts)hill2016
(1,772 posts)how would he handle Trump? Putin?
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)What's your point?????
Champion Jack
(5,378 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Excuses Exucuses
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Yah right!!!
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)Joe Turner
(930 posts)he is Hillary's corner. He has turned this debate into a kangaroo court for Hillary.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)wildly in the air is because of the so called bias host? He almost hit Hillary in the head by the way.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,693 posts)I'm not sure what the criteria for presidential-soundingness are.
hill2016
(1,772 posts)this is the guy who has his finger on the nuclear trigger. Wouldn't you want to make sure he is calm when making decisions?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,693 posts)Displaying a bit of anger is not evidence of a lack of control. Even Obama has shown anger now and then. In fact, he's been criticized for being too calm. I guess it's all a matter of who is being evaluated....
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,693 posts)livetohike
(22,143 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Autumn
(45,084 posts)50 years to get and we can't afford single payer and we need to help the insurance companies provide blah blah blah horseshit.
dinkytron
(568 posts)litlbilly
(2,227 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)fleur-de-lisa
(14,624 posts)He is discussing all the issues I care about in exactly the right tone. Someone needs to shout about the excesses of Wall Street and the insurance industry.
earthside
(6,960 posts)That sounds very 'presidential' to me.
If I want just a status quo recipient of Goldman Sachs speaking fees, well, Mrs. Clinton is your candidate.
Face it, this debate is all about Sen. Sanders progressive proposals and all Hillary is doing is defending the status quo.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,624 posts)Champion Jack
(5,378 posts)Response to hill2016 (Original post)
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grntuscarora
(1,249 posts)"He doesn't look mayoral."
Pretty funny, looking back on it.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)saltpoint
(50,986 posts)damn Left.
I hear a public servant in Sanders' words. I'm not hearing it from what's-her-name.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)I see the appeal, but I don't see him accomplishing squat.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Calm down and vote for the annointed one because it's her turn and she's a woman.
Logical
(22,457 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Sanders is almost foaming at the mouth.. Flailing his arms in the air. Who wants to see that for the next four years.
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)everything isn't fortissimo
JackBeck
(12,359 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Have fun, tho!
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Glamrock
(11,800 posts)That ended with Bush.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Even people who claim to hate it love it. People wanted Obama to get really angry. People respond to Donald Trump's hate speech and gigantic ego. And, people seem to enjoy the conflict between Sanders and Clinton.
People watch cable news that have pundits with opposing opinions have discussions that devolve into anger for entertainment and pretend news. People have come to expectdemand it from politicians.
Old Union Guy
(738 posts)... he's been practicing sounding presidential in front of a mirror?
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)votesparks
(1,288 posts)southerncrone
(5,506 posts)continue to keep most Americans down & raised the power & bank accounts of those already in power.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,693 posts)then I guess we can say Ben Carson and Jeb! Bush are presidential, too.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)If the man utters the F bomb during a debate I know 5 people who aren't planning on voting at all in the primary that will go to vote for him.
People are pretty pissed off. Having someone relay that frustration on the national stage is cathartic.
ejbr
(5,856 posts)RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)Liberal Jesus Freak
(1,451 posts)Hahahaha Are you even watching the same debate ?!?!
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)when he is challenged to deviate. He's really unraveled this debate. He does not sound Presidential at all. His facial reactions look petulant like he's trying to keep up his picked on victim status.
grntuscarora
(1,249 posts)care deeply about.
It's called "staying on message", and it's going to get him elected.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)response as these debates go on. He doesn't deviate from them. He couldn't name one Wall Street executive he would prosecute when he was on an interview with Bloomberg on MSNBC, so it's gimmicky applause lines.
What he does is called GRANDSTANDING, it's not staying on message.
grntuscarora
(1,249 posts)nt
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Knock yourself out.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)Gothmog
(145,238 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Gothmog
(145,238 posts)And Sanders is still not polling well with African American or Latino voters http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/poll-sanders-gains-stop-short-of-minorities.html#
Team Sanders is certainly focused on the problem, with a variety of campaign efforts focused on minority voters in the works. The talking points they are putting out there, however, are less than convincing, as I learned as a guest on the public radio show "To the Point" yesterday, when I heard a Sanders supporter argue that an Iowa win would greatly boost Bernie's African-American support just like it did for Obama in South Carolina in 2008. The idea that Sanders's potential to win the black vote in South Carolina is analogous to that of the first African-American president does not pass the laugh test. Still, any early-state win for Sanders, even in exceptionally honkified Iowa and New Hampshire, will likely create some sort of generalized bounce. The question is how high, and how loyal minority voters prove to be to Hillary Clinton, her husband, and her implicit ally Barack Obama. It's worth remembering that she defeated Barack Obama handily among Latinos in 2008, and that Bill Clinton enjoyed robust support in both communities.
Monmouth University has a new national poll out that casts some fascinating, if very preliminary, light on this subject. Compared to its poll in December, Monmouth shows Sanders making pretty big gains: Clinton was up 59-to-26 last month, and only 52-to-37 now. But among black and Latino voters, Clinton has actually expanded her lead from 61-to-18 to 71-to-21. In other words, a legitimate "Sanders surge" nationally has coincided with a deterioration of his standing with the voters he will most need for a breakthrough after the first two contests of the primary season.
Sanders is actually losing ground with African American voters
Sanders is not winning over African American voters and will not be the nominee unless he can expand his base of supporters
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)I guess we'll see soon enough.
Gothmog
(145,238 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)bowens43
(16,064 posts)She should come down off of her throne
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...but a platform that takes on heretofore unspeakable taboos really ought to sound a bit angrier.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)being a man, should not show emotion. Maybe they traded gender roles or something. Ridiculous and risable.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Her manufactured anger is not presidential.