Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:30 AM
ViseGrip (3,133 posts)
Bernie reminds everyone about the $600,000.00 Hillary got from Goldman Sachs for speeches!!!
Bernie's message is so important. If we don't get the money out of politics, nothing will change. NOTHING.
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ViseGrip | Jan 2016 | OP |
Agschmid | Jan 2016 | #1 | |
thomservo | Jan 2016 | #4 | |
CoffeeCat | Jan 2016 | #51 | |
Empowerer | Jan 2016 | #58 | |
retrowire | Jan 2016 | #26 | |
JimDandy | Jan 2016 | #31 | |
nxylas | Jan 2016 | #39 | |
stillwaiting | Jan 2016 | #49 | |
Segami | Jan 2016 | #57 | |
Thinkingabout | Jan 2016 | #2 | |
HerbChestnut | Jan 2016 | #5 | |
Thinkingabout | Jan 2016 | #9 | |
Fawke Em | Jan 2016 | #12 | |
CajunBlazer | Jan 2016 | #18 | |
Ned_Devine | Jan 2016 | #21 | |
jhart3333 | Jan 2016 | #22 | |
roguevalley | Jan 2016 | #24 | |
navarth | Jan 2016 | #33 | |
DisgustipatedinCA | Jan 2016 | #46 | |
Mark Grable | Jan 2016 | #34 | |
Babel_17 | Jan 2016 | #71 | |
CorporatistNation | Jan 2016 | #7 | |
Thinkingabout | Jan 2016 | #13 | |
Lordquinton | Jan 2016 | #38 | |
Thinkingabout | Jan 2016 | #52 | |
tokenlib | Jan 2016 | #8 | |
angrychair | Jan 2016 | #11 | |
99th_Monkey | Jan 2016 | #17 | |
ViseGrip | Jan 2016 | #20 | |
Kall | Jan 2016 | #29 | |
Spitfire of ATJ | Jan 2016 | #40 | |
TheFarseer | Jan 2016 | #48 | |
sorechasm | Jan 2016 | #50 | |
winter is coming | Jan 2016 | #54 | |
DisgustipatedinCA | Jan 2016 | #65 | |
azmom | Jan 2016 | #3 | |
ViseGrip | Jan 2016 | #6 | |
CorporatistNation | Jan 2016 | #10 | |
ViseGrip | Jan 2016 | #14 | |
Uncle Joe | Jan 2016 | #15 | |
CajunBlazer | Jan 2016 | #16 | |
ViseGrip | Jan 2016 | #19 | |
roguevalley | Jan 2016 | #27 | |
lob1 | Jan 2016 | #32 | |
ViseGrip | Jan 2016 | #61 | |
DisgustipatedinCA | Jan 2016 | #47 | |
CajunBlazer | Jan 2016 | #55 | |
DisgustipatedinCA | Jan 2016 | #56 | |
treestar | Jan 2016 | #59 | |
DisgustipatedinCA | Jan 2016 | #60 | |
tomm2thumbs | Jan 2016 | #23 | |
Tierra_y_Libertad | Jan 2016 | #25 | |
Lil Missy | Jan 2016 | #28 | |
Spitfire of ATJ | Jan 2016 | #41 | |
ViseGrip | Jan 2016 | #67 | |
SamKnause | Jan 2016 | #30 | |
ViseGrip | Jan 2016 | #62 | |
SamKnause | Jan 2016 | #66 | |
jmowreader | Jan 2016 | #35 | |
Spitfire of ATJ | Jan 2016 | #42 | |
ljm2002 | Jan 2016 | #53 | |
jmowreader | Jan 2016 | #68 | |
ljm2002 | Jan 2016 | #70 | |
silenttigersong | Jan 2016 | #72 | |
JDPriestly | Jan 2016 | #36 | |
JDPriestly | Jan 2016 | #37 | |
CajunBlazer | Jan 2016 | #69 | |
JDPriestly | Jan 2016 | #73 | |
merrily | Jan 2016 | #43 | |
uponit7771 | Jan 2016 | #44 | |
Green Forest | Jan 2016 | #45 | |
DisgustipatedinCA | Jan 2016 | #64 | |
ViseGrip | Jan 2016 | #63 |
Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:31 AM
Agschmid (28,749 posts)
1. And got booed by the audience.
Response to Agschmid (Reply #1)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:33 AM
thomservo (147 posts)
4. got booed...
by one lone idiot.
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Response to thomservo (Reply #4)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:17 AM
CoffeeCat (24,411 posts)
51. Probably a plant
placed in the audience by the Clinton camp. So when Sanders owns her with a truth zinger that one person who booed can be used to suggest that Bernie's statement was flatly rejected by the universe because, "He got booed."
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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #51)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:40 AM
Empowerer (3,900 posts)
58. Of course-any opposition to Sanders MUST be a plant, since no one could ever disagree with him ever!
Response to Agschmid (Reply #1)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:30 AM
retrowire (10,345 posts)
26. the boo from that one lone soul
was booing the fact that Hillary took that money.
hmmm I guess it's all up to interpretation huh? lol |
Response to retrowire (Reply #26)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:41 AM
JimDandy (7,318 posts)
31. That's what I thought too.
I guess it could be interpreted the other way. Only the booer knows the real intent...
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Response to JimDandy (Reply #31)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:30 AM
nxylas (6,440 posts)
39. He was saying "Boo-ernie!"
With apologies to the writers of The Simpsons.
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Response to Agschmid (Reply #1)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:50 AM
stillwaiting (3,795 posts)
49. Well, that's definitely some spin. It could have been a banker that did it.
Or, as previously stated, they could have been booing HILLARY for her actions.
I admire you for mostly being fair in most of your posts though. |
Response to Agschmid (Reply #1)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:32 AM
Segami (14,923 posts)
57. Got booed....lol!
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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:32 AM
Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)
2. Getting money from speeches is different from politics, this was pay for her services.
Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:34 AM
HerbChestnut (3,649 posts)
5. LOL
Right, $250,000/hr is the typical going rate these days.
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Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #5)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:40 AM
Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)
9. If you are good enough, probably get more.
Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #9)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:41 AM
Fawke Em (11,366 posts)
12. She's not that good.
No one is.
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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #12)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:58 AM
CajunBlazer (5,648 posts)
18. Yet quite a number athletes do that well or better.
A person's work is worth what others are willing to pay for it. Oh, I forgot; that concept is foreign to socialists.
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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #18)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:13 AM
Ned_Devine (3,146 posts)
21. "Oh, I forgot; that concept is foreign to socialists" - says an asshole
Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #21)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:22 AM
jhart3333 (332 posts)
22. What we're really talking about is Late Stage Capitalism
For the uninitiated: http://boingboing.net/2016/01/16/late-stage-capitalism-is-t.html
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Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #21)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:29 AM
roguevalley (40,656 posts)
24. mayI salute you, Ned before someone alers you lol
You are my new hero. Just refer them to the purple map
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Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #21)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:52 AM
navarth (5,927 posts)
33. good goin' Ned
Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #21)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:03 AM
DisgustipatedinCA (12,530 posts)
46. This is the same poster who says it's fine for Carville to host a FUNDRAISER FOR TED CRUZ at his
house.
Make what you will of that, but this is all I'll ever need to know about this particular person. |
Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #18)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:05 AM
Mark Grable (23 posts)
34. IF that were true
If a persons work is what others are willing to pay for it, then drug dealers like El Chapo's work is worth how many million?
Many capitalists are unconcerned with law, morality, or ethics. Some capitalists are even willing to kill capitalism for a profit. I'm talking about the "to big to fail banks". By breaking those banks up, President Sanders will be saving capitalism from the capitalists. Here's an important concept: borrowing money cost's money. Why then do both Democrats and Republicans borrow so much money - money they can't pay back? Could it be the revolving door between corporations and the three branches of government? Or the unlimited campaign contributions? Or the media consolidation ? If these things were to change, it would be because a President was elected with a mandate to do them. |
Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #18)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:32 PM
Babel_17 (5,400 posts)
71. A good import/export person can make millions!
One suitcase + motivated buyers = $$$$
Capitalism ftw ![]() |
Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:39 AM
CorporatistNation (2,546 posts)
7. Nice Work When You Can Gettit... On the Other Hand...
That kinda $$$$ does not come without strings attached.... Ye Ole Quid Pro Quo...
As when I was offered Campaign CA$H by a lobbyist from BIG Pharma named Ken Freeman...as a Dem running for U.S. House back in 2006... In contrast... CLINTON INC. Never says NO! |
Response to CorporatistNation (Reply #7)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:41 AM
Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)
13. Like the $18,000 contribution from NRA against an opponent?
Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #13)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:21 AM
Lordquinton (7,886 posts)
38. That never happened? You know that's false information
so please stop spreading it.
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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #38)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:19 AM
Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)
52. It is quiet true, we see on record of the votes Sanders made on gun issues,
It is a part of his record.
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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:40 AM
tokenlib (4,186 posts)
8. "Services" "Not politics" ?? Really??
Follow the money....
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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:41 AM
angrychair (7,872 posts)
11. Be serious
She did a closed door, no press, speech (contents have never been made public) to Goldsacs and got paid hundreds of thousands of dollars and we are supposed to believe she will fight to control and limit Wall St financial institutions?
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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:55 AM
99th_Monkey (19,326 posts)
17. Are you serious?
Hey, I have a bridge. It's actually a great deal.
Oh and some 'waterfront' land in Florida. You'll love it. |
Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:29 AM
ViseGrip (3,133 posts)
20. Do you really believe that? Goldman Sachs also said they'd be happy with Hillary for prez.
After they ran the treasury, I'm not comfortable with this anymore. She is clearly looking at keeping them in control.
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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:37 AM
Kall (615 posts)
29. Let's let the public weigh in on that
I have a feeling the verdict won't be kind.
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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:15 AM
Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)
40. Oh sure,...because she's a financial guru.
Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:24 AM
TheFarseer (9,259 posts)
48. Because Hillary is such a banking expert
She knows more than anyone at Goldman Sachs? I don't buy it.
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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:08 AM
sorechasm (631 posts)
50. AKA 'Pay to Play'?
Just one example from last Thursday supporting Bernie's debate last night:
For helping to destroy our economy, they received over a $1B in interest free loans. Yet not one Banker went to jail? Instead, Hillary is taking speaking fees from them. Is that our tax dollars being well-spent. |
Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:39 AM
winter is coming (11,785 posts)
54. I think Bernie's point is that it was "pay for services". n/t
Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:21 PM
DisgustipatedinCA (12,530 posts)
65. You're damn right it was payment for services. We call that corruption.
Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:32 AM
azmom (5,208 posts)
3. That is the bottom line.
Money has corrupted our politicians.
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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:34 AM
ViseGrip (3,133 posts)
6. NBC debate, NBC poll released today, the Hillary cheering section, a total 'corporate shit show'
Bernie exposed her tonight. And she exposed herself as a preservationist of the status quo.
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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #6)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:41 AM
CorporatistNation (2,546 posts)
10. Her History Tells The Tale Irrespective of What She Might Say Now in Order to Get
the nomination....
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Response to CorporatistNation (Reply #10)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:44 AM
ViseGrip (3,133 posts)
14. Goldman Sachs also said they'd be happy with a prez clinton. That won't work out well for us.
Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:47 AM
Uncle Joe (56,391 posts)
15. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, ViseGrip.
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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:48 AM
CajunBlazer (5,648 posts)
16. Would anyone pay Bernie to give a speech?
How much do you think he could get?
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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #16)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:58 AM
ViseGrip (3,133 posts)
19. No one on Wall Street
Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #16)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:31 AM
roguevalley (40,656 posts)
27. Bernie wouldn't take it. it's called integrity
Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #16)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:48 AM
lob1 (3,820 posts)
32. I read somewhere he gets $2,000 a speech,
and he gives it all to charity.
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Response to lob1 (Reply #32)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:14 PM
ViseGrip (3,133 posts)
61. That's the Bernie Sanders I have watched for years now!
Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #16)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:05 AM
DisgustipatedinCA (12,530 posts)
47. He isn't a corrupt like that.
Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #47)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:24 AM
CajunBlazer (5,648 posts)
55. So Bernie would be corrupt if he took money for a speech?
Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #55)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:29 AM
DisgustipatedinCA (12,530 posts)
56. Not playing your game. I don't agree with Cruz supporters.
Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #56)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:44 AM
treestar (82,106 posts)
59. Because you are losing the game
Set up for if Bernie ever was paid to do a speech.
Didn't take long: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/242740-bernie-sanders-2014-speaking-gigs-netted-less-than-2k So you really think he wouldn't take more if offered? |
Response to treestar (Reply #59)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:47 AM
DisgustipatedinCA (12,530 posts)
60. And I'm not playing your game for what should be obvious reasons.
Also...what fucking game?
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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:24 AM
tomm2thumbs (13,297 posts)
23. aren't those called legal bribes?
or is it just wink-wink |
Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:30 AM
Tierra_y_Libertad (50,414 posts)
25. But, Goldman Sachs expects nothing in return for their investments in her.
They're did it because they think she's a great entertainer.
Or,....maybe....could be...that they do expect something in return if she becomes president. Buy a government ain't as cheap as it used to be. |
Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:32 AM
Lil Missy (17,865 posts)
28. good for her.
Response to Lil Missy (Reply #28)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:21 AM
Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)
41. I doubt she'll get that after she loses.
Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #41)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:13 PM
ViseGrip (3,133 posts)
67. IF she loses, her and Bill will up their speaking fees!
Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:39 AM
SamKnause (12,857 posts)
30. Are transcripts of the speeches available ???
Exactly what is she getting paid to talk about ???
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Response to SamKnause (Reply #30)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:19 PM
ViseGrip (3,133 posts)
62. Some are, like her speech and ties to Monsanto - we need to get the message out, "GMO's are good!"
https://www.organicconsumers.org/news/video-hilary-clinton-endorses-gmos-solution-focused-crop-biotechnology
Video: Hilary Clinton Endorses GMOs, Solution-Focused Crop Biotechnology Former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has expressed her support for genetically modified crops and crop biotechnology. In a 65-minute keynote appearance at the Biotechnology Industry Organization (BIO) convention in San Diego in late June, Clinton conversed with Jim Greenwood, BIO president, on a wide range of topics including GMOs. “I stand in favor of using seeds and products that have a proven track record,” Clinton said, adding that biotech professionals need to continue to try to make the case for GMO-skeptics. “There is a big gap between what the facts are, and what the perceptions are.” Clinton noted that there are unwarranted fears surrounding GMOs because many people do not understand science or biotechnology and are easily swayed by code words and misguided perceptions. “Genetically modified sounds ‘Frankensteinish’ – drought resistant sounds really like something you want,” she said. Clinton’s full talk is available in the video embedded below. Her comments on biotechnology begin at approximately 29 minutes in. and.... http://www.naturalnews.com/049755_Bride_of_Frankenfood_Hillary_Clinton_Monsanto.html Bride of Frankenfood: Hillary Clinton pushes GMO agenda... hires Monsanto lobbyist... takes huge dollars from Monsanto (NaturalNews) Democrats who had been programmed to blindly vote for Hillary Clinton are picking their jaws up off the floor after learning the truth about Hillary's ties to Monsanto. The ties run so deep that she's now being dubbed the "Bride of Frankenfood." (Tweet this story) Shockingly, Hillary Clinton's ties to Monsanto are new information to her liberal support base. It drives home the important point that nearly everyone supporting Hillary Clinton has no idea who she really is, as evidenced by this stunning new video from Mark Dice and Luke Rudkowski. "Hillary Rodham Clinton's ties to agribusiness giant Monsanto, and her advocacy for the industry's genetically modified crops, have environmentalists in Iowa calling her 'Bride of Frankenfood'" reports the Washington Times. "A large faction of women voiced strong support for Mrs. Clinton's candidacy until the GMO issue came up, prompting them to switch allegiances to Sen. Bernard Sanders of Vermont, a liberal stalwart challenging her for the Democratic nomination." Oh my, how little they really know about the real Hillary Clinton... keep reading to find out more... Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/049755_Bride_of_Frankenfood_Hillary_Clinton_Monsanto.html#ixzz3xc6Gpcvc |
Response to ViseGrip (Reply #62)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:29 PM
SamKnause (12,857 posts)
66. Thank you for all the information.
Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:06 AM
jmowreader (49,898 posts)
35. He's also campaigning against Bill Clinton's penis
Response to jmowreader (Reply #35)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:30 AM
Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)
42. I guess there's only one way to settle this....
Response to jmowreader (Reply #35)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:33 AM
ljm2002 (10,751 posts)
53. And I'm sure you can provide a link...
...showing where Sanders himself ever brought up Bill Clinton's sexual behavior, whether on the campaign trail or during a debate.
Waiting... |
Response to ljm2002 (Reply #53)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:22 PM
jmowreader (49,898 posts)
68. Okay, how about this...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141308085
By Lisa Hagen - 01/08/16 06:29 PM EST
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Friday called Bill Clinton’s sexual scandals “totally disgraceful and unacceptable” but said he would not use the former president's infidelities against Hillary Clinton. |
Response to jmowreader (Reply #68)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:23 PM
ljm2002 (10,751 posts)
70. Miss the point much?
I said:
I'm sure you can provide a link showing where Sanders himself ever brought up Bill Clinton's sexual behavior, whether on the campaign trail or during a debate. And this is from the very next paragraph in the article you cited: Sanders' comments came after an Iowa town hall attendee raised Bill Clinton's affair in the White House and questioned if Hillary Clinton was qualified to be president, the Washington Post reported. Bernie Sanders has never brought up the issue himself, not once. Even Hillary Clinton was nodding in agreement when he responded to whats-her-name's question on the subject at last night's debate. |
Response to jmowreader (Reply #68)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:35 PM
silenttigersong (957 posts)
72. Ok
Are you for real?Trying to be funny?Cuz that prior statement is really going below the belt_lol.
The press should be asking Hillary that question. I am waiting for the "orgie island"question .What are they going to do ask Bernie like hes just in the campaign ,to field questions for Hillary?Bernies right ask Hillary ,ask Chelsea,ask Bill Clinton,Sen.Sanders has better things to do. ![]() |
Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:19 AM
JDPriestly (57,936 posts)
37. I attended a debate party. I knew only one of the other attendees before the party.
Most of the attendees were young. Only three of us above 45 I would guess.
The big issue, the issue that got the applause was campaign financing and the big money going to Hillary. People really don't like all that big money in politics. It is one of the many reasons that Bernie is doing so well, I think. And it is an issue on which it is too late for Hillary to win. She has been trying to change the subject, but that money issue pops right back up. What is so hard for Americans to accept is that Congress voted to bail out Wall Street, and yet Wall Street, instead of bailing out its own debtors, the homeowners who had lost their jobs and were defaulting on mortgages or those whose houses sunk under water as housing prices dropped, just gave itself big bonuses and continued business as usual. Congress showed mercy to Wall Street, to AIG, to the big banks, and then Wall Street, AIG and the big banks continuing to buy and control Congress, pushed ordinary people out of their homes and showed no mercy at all to the people and businesses across America. How could the financial sector, Wall Street, whatever you want to call it be so dumb as to think that the American people would not notice that moral double-cross, that exercise in total egotism, narcissism and contempt for hardworking people across the country (and in other countries). The stupidity and brazenness of Wall Street (and I use that term to include others in the financial sector) is very hard for me to understand. Hillary represented and in the minds of voters continues to represent that segment of our population with all its utter insensitivity to the morality of fairness that prevails in our country outside the financial sector. |
Response to JDPriestly (Reply #37)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:09 PM
CajunBlazer (5,648 posts)
69. Like it or not....
....PAC money, the money which Bernie refuses to take, will be required to have a chance of winning the general election. A politician can get through the nominating process without it, and even brag that he is receiving "dirty" money, but that won't fly in the general election.
Why? Because the present law allows it and in the GE Bernie will be foolish to unilaterally disarm. That would be equivalent of the US voluntarily destroying all of their nuclear weapons and delivery platforms in the middle of the cold war while the Soviets kept all of theirs. We would have been at their mercy The Republicans will have hundreds of millions of dollars set up in PAC's such as the one belong to the Koch brothers to be spent however necessary to destroy Bernie and he will have no way to defend himself. Small campaign contributions made directly to Bernie will be totally inadequate. I too hate big money, but until Citizens United is overturned and the PAC laws are changed we can't let the Republicans beat over the head with their PAC's until we are bloody. It is the old principal verse pragmatism thing - pragmatism, not principals, wins elections, and if we don't win we can't apply our principals in a meaningful way. Principals left not applied are useless in the real world. |
Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #69)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:06 PM
JDPriestly (57,936 posts)
73. Somebody has to do it. Unless someone dares to win without that dirty money, we will
never get rid of it. Because the argument presented in your post will always persuade anxious candidates that they have to have it just to get elected.
It's like our candidates are addicted to that dirty money. Just have to have it. Your post expresses a logical point, but sometimes you have to just say no to your cravings. Dirty money is dirty. We have to stop allowing it in our election process. The Adelmans and Kochs of this world will always have more of that dirty money than we ordinary people will. There comes a time when you just say no and you prevail over the dirt. I think Bernie's election is that time. |
Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:32 AM
merrily (45,251 posts)
43. $600,000 from ONE Wall Street firm in ONE year ain't nuthin'
And I think Mr. and Ms. Voter can get that a firm doesn't pay a politician over half a million dollars in one year while expecting nothing in return. Of course, Wall Street does owe Bill Clinton big time for Gramm, Leach, Blilely and the Commodities Futures Modernization Act of 2000. But, they probably already paid for those.
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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:33 AM
uponit7771 (89,618 posts)
44. So what? Sanders is certainly not impugning her impartiality, he's not that kind of .....politician
Response to uponit7771 (Reply #44)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 06:56 AM
Green Forest (232 posts)
45. Bernie highlighted his skepticism that Hillary will bite the hand(s) that feed her.
Her manufactured outrage at Wall Street excesses last night was Hillaryous, though.
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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #44)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:21 PM
DisgustipatedinCA (12,530 posts)
64. But I am. You don't get six hundred thousand dollars from criminals for no reason.
Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:21 PM
ViseGrip (3,133 posts)
63. See response #62. More on Clinton speeches....just look at the Monsanto bullshit!