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Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:08 AM

 

Hillary's new slogan: No We Can't!

Most Americans want single payer healthcare: No We Can't
Free public college tuition: No We Can't
To break up the large financial institutions that caused the 2008 collapse: No We Can't
The rich to pay their fair share of taxes: No We Can't
Get big money out of politics: No We Can't

She is running the most Debbie Downer campaign I have ever seen. That's not what good leadership is about, and end up costing her the election.

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Reply Hillary's new slogan: No We Can't! (Original post)
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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:10 AM

1. I think she lost the nomination last night.

But, then on the other hand her poll numbers should have plummeted after the third debate when she claims we must work with brutal dictators to promote democracy.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:11 AM

2. She certainly lost the general election last night....

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:14 AM

4. I never thought she had a chance in the general

Independents do not like her. I am glad that Republicans do not like her it's the one thing in her favor. But, we can't afford to turn off Independents. No one will win without them. I really hope she doesn't get the nomination it could seriously damage Democrats.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:09 PM

63. How can Sanders possibly get the majority of independents?

You are giving them too much credit for being able to read between the lines and conduct their own research. The only thing the undecided will hear come election day is how extreme Sanders is, how he is a communist and will be raising their taxes. They wont care that by raising taxes they might end up saving more money. What a lot of them care about is the present and in the present they blame the affordable care act for all the ills in the healthcare system. 2 out of every 3 independent disapprove of the affordable care act, so how can you expect these same individuals to favor single payer which would require more drastic government involvement in the healthcare system? Also keep in mind that more people oppose the law because they think it goes to far, not because it doesn't do enough. They will buy into the republican argument and you will end up with a republican president undoing everything that has been done over the last 8 years. I would be all for Sanders if he was the nominee of a socialist party and the democratic party being the only alternative but don't forget that this election is against right wing extremist and Sanders has no chance in beating any of them. http://www.gallup.com/poll/4708/healthcare-system.aspx

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Response to Thenewire (Reply #63)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:12 PM

64. I don't think I said he would

But, he does need a large chunk of Independents and so would Hillary. Trump won't get the majority either. Most the Independents I know will vote 3rd party.

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Response to Thenewire (Reply #63)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:20 PM

71. Spoken like a true repuke

Now if you care to explain this Cluster Faux talking point that Bernie is a "communist" I would be happy to see your proof.

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Response to Duckfan (Reply #71)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:38 PM

75. yeah. Bernie is BEATING the pugs by as much as 19 points in polls. These are the weezes of

the fading hopes of HRC.

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Response to Thenewire (Reply #63)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:36 PM

73. Sanders is polling well against all of the right wing extremists.

That's why I'm not sure I buy into your last sentence at all. In fact I downright disagree with you.

I think Sanders has a very good chance. I guess we'll see.

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Response to Thenewire (Reply #63)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:39 PM

76. He actually polls better with independents.

When his name is tossed up against Republicans in the swing states Sanders beats the crap out of the Republican field and Hillary kind of either ekes out a very tight victory or occasionally loses.

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Response to Thenewire (Reply #63)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:08 PM

96. If you have not been welcomed, welcome to DU. Now, as to Independents, IMHO

 

They are the ones who do their research and are not blinded by partisan bickering or posturing. They are able to see both sides. Independents are separate from those who are too lazy or unmotivated to vote. But Bernie is making strong inroads into both camps.

And the inference that America is satisfied being LAST in anything, let alone health care, is going to start to wake up...thanks to Mr. Sanders. This "communist" as you put it, is far ahead of any Republican in the stable.

Like he started back 50 points from HRC and now is neck and neck, I'd expect to see the naysayers on the health care issue, POC and other groups start to recheck their earlier alliances. I did back in 2008 when they said a Black Man could never be President and much other atrocious slime.

The Republicans are off the rails, yet one or two is indicated to be able to beat Hillary.

Oh, and as to the Socialist and Communist triggers...you're behind the times. Communist...lord knows where that came from, but almost half of the American people have no problem with the Socialist moniker. Stunning, but that's what they are reporting. And we already have a ton of "socialism" in this country. Case in point...your house catches fire, you don't have to write the Fire Department a check. And they'll even save your pets and drive away without leaving a bill.

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Response to Thenewire (Reply #63)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:33 PM

110. The Right Wing will try to brand Hillary as a "Socialist Commie" too,

..just like they did Obama, JFK, HST, and FDR.
So THAT argument is a toss up.

I really don't care what the Right Wing says anymore,
and I won't let the Right Wing choose MY candidate FOR me.

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Response to Thenewire (Reply #63)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 06:03 PM

116. Independents and Conservatives will vote for Bernie for one reason

 

That is honesty.
Most of the independents and conservatives that I talk to actually like Bernie. They say that though they may not agree with his policies, at least he gives people a straight answer, he walks the walk, as well as talks the talk. And he has been doing it for a long long time. They say that we need more of this in our government.

And all the crap about Bernie being a Socialist does not float with the many young folks who are enthusiastic about him, of all party affiliations. Many young folks see that Bernie wants to give them free college education, so that they will not be burdened with the debt that so many of us have. They see that capitalism has failed us, and believe that it is about time to try something different.

This has been my observation.

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #116)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:44 PM

169. I agree, capitalism is a massive failure.

It can only take society so far until greed overcomes common sense but we must also be realistic. There is absolutely no way that Sander's ideas could be implemented in this country when we have to deal with extremists who think that the government is the problem and the talk about him being honest is the same argument racist garbage use to justify supporting trump. No politician is ever honest or trustworthy, that's why they became politicians. Sander's is not a numbers guy, he is just a populist like any other who says what the electorate on his wing want to hear and he knows very well that none of his proposals have a chance. He has been a politician for nearly 4 decades, he can't possibly be so gullible enough to think that he would reach some agreement with republicans to pass any measure. Unless it is some misguided vote to audit the feds and introduce the gold standard. If you buy into the belief that Sander's is honest then you might just as well be supporting Trump.

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Response to Thenewire (Reply #169)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 04:49 PM

172. OK so tell me

 

If you don't believe that Sanders is honest, than please provide me with several examples of how he has not been honest.
Thanks in advance.

Oh, and not every politician gets into politics because they are crooked. There are some that get into office, because they want to change things. My former congressman, Maurice Hinchey was one. I am sure that there are others.

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #172)

Wed Jan 20, 2016, 09:50 AM

180. He is selling you on a proposal that will never happen.

He is either actively lying to everyone on the fact that his ideas are impossible to implement under the current fascist environment or he is extremely gullible. I doubt it is the latter due to Sanders being a career politician and knowing the monsters we are up against. Keep in mind that the potential republican candidate is mother fucking trump. A fascist against a self proclaimed socialist. Who do you think the electorate will choose?

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Response to Thenewire (Reply #180)

Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:02 PM

181. +1

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Response to Thenewire (Reply #180)

Wed Jan 20, 2016, 03:54 PM

183. The only way that it will never happen

 

Is when folks of your ilk don't make any attempt. When WE THE PEOPLE get together behind something is when it happens. Bernie believes that there is a his support from WE THE PEOPLE.
Therefore he is neither gullible nor lying. Perhaps you can give me a couple ncretr example? Thanks

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Response to Thenewire (Reply #63)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:32 PM

132. I have a poll that say different.

Especially among Independents. Independents don't like HRC but they do like Sanders.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2311

He also wins by larger margins due to Independent support.

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Response to Thenewire (Reply #63)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:22 PM

138. Wow. Are you sure you are on the right board?

We actually read links and sources over here. The link you posted actually is an argument AGAINST your claims. And your statement that Sanders "has no chance" flies in the face of ALL polling that is current.
Have a nice stay.

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Response to Thenewire (Reply #63)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 07:40 AM

156. The same way he is getting so many of the 63%

Having a vision motivates the alienated.

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Response to Thenewire (Reply #63)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:07 AM

165. I am an Independent, and

I am with Sanders. I also support single-payer (unlike a lot of Democrats, it seems?????)

BTW, I find your remark about I's not being able to "read between the lines and conduct their own research" pretty darn insulting.

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Response to bullsnarfle (Reply #165)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:49 PM

170. If not for independents voting for republicans.

We wouldn't have the problem we face. The only reason why an independent would pick a republican over any democrat is on the basis of prejudice or disregard for the facts.

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:36 PM

74. we can afford war but we can't afford peace, so sayeth HRC

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:47 PM

78. how is it that they can live the lavish life and we can't have even the smallest consideration

how is it that they will have anything and everything THEY want and we can't have single payer and debt relief? The gall, the sterling gall that they fly on private jets while they work to ensure that we don't get basic services. What will SHE give up to stand in solidarity with us, the little people?

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #78)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:43 PM

135. wish someone would say this to her face.

may i use this as my signature with credit to you?

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:20 PM

47. You know to never count out a Clinton

 

Even if both shoulders are on the mat, someone will pull the ref out of the ring before he counts 3

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Response to 7962 (Reply #47)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:58 PM

59. And blow smoke in everyone's eyes while the refs aren't looking

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Response to votesparks (Reply #59)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:05 PM

62. Thanks for getting the reference!

 

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Response to votesparks (Reply #59)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:46 PM

113. It's all kabuki theatre.

 

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:37 PM

54. From your keyboard to the ears of voters in poll booths.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:55 PM

94. "No we can't". Hillary agrees with the GOP on that. eom

 

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:07 PM

95. CLINTON WAS AWESOME LAST NIGHT. You don't realize that because you hate her

you really need to stop hating our democratic candidates.

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #95)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 06:05 PM

117. We don't hate her.

 

We simply see through her bovine fecal matter.

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #95)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 06:33 PM

119. I thought she sounded like a typical politician

fake

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #95)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:52 PM

137. awesome performance as a hard hearted

bully lacking dignity and without respect for truth.

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #95)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 09:42 AM

164. IT WAS PRETTY AWESOME

 

but not in the way you think, because hatred apparently. LOL

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:13 AM

3. I think her slogan is

 

" No You Can't " she is a 1%er and we are peons .

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Response to olddots (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:15 AM

5. Yep

she has very publicly kicked us to the curb. She has shown she is not about to fight for the right to health care for people who are very poor or people who were middle class until treatment for a catastrophic illness wiped out their lifetime of saving.

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Response to olddots (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:54 AM

28. clinton 2016

eat your damn cake and like it!!

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #28)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:27 PM

139. More like eat your cake and choke it down

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #139)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:29 PM

144. and don't call paramedics if you choke cuz they ain't comin nt

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Response to olddots (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:24 PM

49. Excellent!

 

I was just listening to Ed's daily podcast. Ed had on John Nichols as a guest and I was surprised to hear John opine that single payer just is not practical at this time in the USA. WTF??? ANY friggin' achievement starts with the FIRST STEP!

Shit - if Paul Ryan and turtle neck had the perfect single payer legislation drawn up and only needed a presidential signature, I guess THAT would be the perfect scenario under which we'd send Bernie to DC. But it's a certainty that Ryan and McDunncel aren't going to welcome Sanders with open arms. Heh - with "arms" maybe - but not with "open" ones!

No - every assualt on Everest starts with the first step. And we KNOW the perils of the climb when we takie that first step. But someone's gotta start that trek - that quest - and that someone is US. THIS is what Bernie's been trying to get thru our collective skulls. It's >WE< the people's job. And to hear the nay-talk from a supposed progressive like Nichols, points up how soundly we've lost sight of our responsibilities.

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Response to olddots (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 06:58 PM

121. Indeed. All of this.

 

She's got hers. The rest of us can beg for the crumbs.

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Response to olddots (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:38 AM

166. The remedy for "No You Can't"

There is strength in numbers for we among the 99%.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:15 AM

6. Well, to pledge herself to specific positive goals would be so unlike a Clinton

 

that she'd need medical intervention.

"No, We Can't" makes an excellent opposition poster, especially as Hillary tries to snuggle with the Obama.

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Response to Proserpina (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:23 PM

48. True, maybe it should be "I'm not SURE we can" instead!

 

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Response to 7962 (Reply #48)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:14 PM

99. There is a certain "I've got mine, sucks to be you" attitude toward certain segments, to be sure. nt

 

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:16 AM

7. As someone who just leans Sanders this debate pushed me solidly in the Sanders camp.

Clinton's hair splitting was not helpful.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:17 AM

8. Excellent post, you're 100% correct.

I've been through a lot in my life, and I've never listened to (or respected) anyone who tried to tell me I couldn't succeed at something so I better not even try.

Hillary is telling us that progressive change for the benefit of We The People ins't possible. How can anyone vote for that?

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Response to Avalux (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:21 AM

10. We Would Have Never Gotten ACA If We Took Hillary's Attitude.....

One has got to make the attempt and not shut it down before the attempt.

I like people that have a vision to shoot for. Bernie inspires me.

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Response to Avalux (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:25 AM

12. "How can anyone vote for that?"

A lot of people will because they've swallowed the DLC Kool-Aid: "Democrats can't win by demanding positive change, the best we can do is curb the excesses of the republicans."

Also, there are still a lot of conservative Democrats who support a vast, interventionist military. Hillary is their candidate.

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:28 AM

13. I think many of them are members here. n/t

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:28 PM

52. That "Democrats can't will ----" was proven untrue when

President Obama beat her in 2008. Most of us who voted for him believed his hope and change message was a progressive message. We voted for change. He tried but he also did not have what he needed to pull it off and he did not come back to the voters to ask for our help.

We voted for him because we THOUGHT that he was thinking the same thing we were. We voted against her because we KNEW she was not a progressive.

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Response to Avalux (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:30 AM

14. "How can anyone vote for that?" Easy.

If

1) you benefit from the status quo
2) haven't been burned (yet) by the status quo

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Response to antigop (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:16 PM

41. this is the heart of it

 

very sad observation - I pointed this out to a boss about 15 years ago - I gave the example of Brady (change of heart on guns)

Old bosses response - He was shot in the head - he can not think well - so he became a Democrat.

They are hopeless

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Response to antigop (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:18 PM

125. aaaannnnnd number 3:

 

3)You're a corporate "news" brainwashed imbecile.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:20 AM

9. Hillary: Sorry, I'm not the pie-in-the-sky candidate.

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Response to oasis (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:16 PM

67. More like...

...Queen of the Surrender Monkeys.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #67)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:17 PM

101. Good one.

 

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:23 AM

11. It's funny... Use Obama when needed...

Do a 180 degree turn on what we can do.

I'm supposed to over-look this because I'm a woman, though... No, I CANNOT!

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:31 AM

15. Hillary is not a risk we can afford.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:32 AM

16. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, HerbChestnut.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:32 AM

17. Someone good with photoshop needs to make this slogan into a graphic

 

A picture of Hillary with all the "no we can't" statements on it, similar in appearance to the Obama campaign poster. It would go viral

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Response to GummyBearz (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:58 PM

145. How about this ...

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:34 AM

18. Yes, we can't! Just to cover all bases, you know...

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:35 AM

19. K & R !

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:37 AM

20. She is just taking orders from her

 

big campaign doners, like Obama, her best buddy. Universal non-profit healthcare is off the table.

Recall how nurses and doctors, advocating single payer, were arrested for asking to have a seat at the table.

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Response to Geronimoe (Reply #20)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:18 PM

46. That was the head of the Committee, Max Baucus, ....

..who forbade the mention of Single Payer, and had the Doctors and Nurses tossed out and arrested.
For his treachery against the American People, Max was later awarded the Ambassadorship to China by President Obama.
This is a reward worth $MILLIONS.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #46)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:18 PM

102. To add to this

Buacus was important in the Senate as he chaired a committee but it was just one of many committees with a role in drafting and approving the attempt to reform health care. He was the chosen hit man to derail the public option which was "the compromise" given to single payer advocates in theory before being yanked out at the end when we were told that was not politically possible.

I am pretty sure you Bvar know but most people do not know that Nancy Pelosi worked hard and managed to pass the ACA with a public option out of the house fully a year before the Senate finally had a bill that could go to reconciliation. I am sometimes critical of Pelosi but this is something she did that was great and required the type of pressure that Obama never used to wrangle the democratic house members into voting for it. Again, the house bill had a public option and this was the bill that was reconciled against the Senate a year later. It was not easy for her to get this Bill passed and she managed to do it which tells us all that with someone of power (speaker, president, majority leader) pushing his caucus things can be possible (not definite but definitely possible).

Obama's failure was a failure to support this bill and pressure the Senate to consider the house bill. We can not know for sure how it would have worked out and if we would have ended up with the compromise public option but Obama took the exact opposite path. The white house declared that the House bill would not be the basis of the end bill and that whatever bill Baucus drafted would be the basis. This was putting a declared opponent of the public option in charge of drafting the bill and guaranteed that we would not have a Public Option in the final bill.

So one reason that Baucus became important is because Obama emphasized his importance rather than pressured him.

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Response to Rilgin (Reply #102)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:26 PM

109. Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas also played a pivotal obstructionist role.

In fact, in the 2010 election, she was campaigning as the one who killed the Public Option.
Like old Max, she was also rewarded by the Obama Administration for her "obstruction".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4585927

I don't believe Obama ever intended to have a Public Option. He "borrowed" that idea from Edwards
because it was polling so well, and he could ridicule Hillary without mercy for NOT including a Public Option in HER plan. Immediately after stepping into the Oval Office, he started downplaying and back walking the necessity of the Public Option "to keep them honest".


I wonder if Hillary ever realized that Obama passed HER plan (Mandate w/o a Public Option),
the one he openly ridiculed with no mercy during the debates, and insisted it would NOT work.
I would have been pretty pissed.

Paraphrasing 2008 Candidate Obama during a nationally televised debate:
If forcing people to buy insurance worked, we could solve homelessness the same way.
Mandate that homeless people buy a house.

Hahahahaha from the audience,
and another humiliating debate experience for Hillary.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #109)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:39 PM

111. Totally Agree

Your post reminds us all that Obama's campaign heal care plan was NO mandate and A public option. We ended up with NO public option and A mandate.

I think your assertion that Obama never wanted the public option even though he ran on it is true and somewhat reinforced by my last post on his rejection of the House Bill which contained a Public Option which would seem to be a bill that the campaign Obama could get behind even though it also had a mandate. The fact that he immediately rejected it and turned it over to the Senate finance committee shows he really did not support a public option.

With respect to the mandate itself, Obama dropped his objection to the mandate pretty fast which makes sense as an intellectual matter. I say that because within the corporate concept of health insurance, if you are going to end pre-existing conditions as an insurance concept you really do need some form of a mandate so as to spread risk amongst a broad swath of healthy and unhealthy. The solution of course is to get rid of private insurance and go to health care as a right provided by the federal government providing a seamless risk pool of the whole nation with very little cost of developing or selling the risk pool or determining eligibility. Administrative costs all relate to the actual health condition and if it is covered and preventing fraud (administrative cost still in a private insurance).

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Response to Rilgin (Reply #102)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 04:13 PM

171. I agree

with you and bvar22 on all points.

I'm not sure how (or why) Max Baucus got to be in the position he was in, but if you check opensecrets.org, you'll see that he was in the top three for contributions from the health insurance industry. So the whole thing was rigged from the start.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:37 AM

21. ~ NO WE CAN'T! NO WE CAN'T! USA! USA! ~

Has a certain ring to it...

CANADA can have good things but the US CAN'T.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:52 PM

57. Thanks for this^^^^

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Response to zentrum (Reply #57)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:20 PM

70. For sure. *Canadian politician TOMMY DOUGLAS (1904-1986) who I did a couple

OPs on in the last 2 days was a social democrat, visionary achiever who advanced many progressive policies in Canada esp. single-payer universal healthcare that he implemented in Saskatchewan as Premier and enacted nationally in 1966.
------
There's a very important *OP on the DU Home Page now-news of the coming loss of 5 million jobs! from 3-D printing and robotic advances in the next 5 years.

*People need to take note of this:

--> DU Home Page, *"BIOTECH 3-D PRINTING TO LEAD TO 5M FEWER JOBS" (in the next 5 years), AFP/Yahoo News.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:42 AM

22. Clinton 2016 - "It's Good Enough for You!"

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #22)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:24 PM

50. HA!

 

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #22)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:45 PM

92. "Be Grateful for the Crumbs I'm Willing to Throw You."

 

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #92)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:49 PM

93. LOL!

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #92)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:06 PM

122. The common touch of Marie Antoinette

 

and the humility of Napoleon.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:47 AM

23. Don't count her out as she has over half the delegates needed already

 

Super delegates are already in her camp giving a huge majority to start with. Perhaps though they'll see Bernie popularity and switch sides.

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Response to 4dsc (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:53 AM

27. in this climate, if the supers even think

they are going to steal if for bernie, even if they legally can, they can say goodbye to the ge, the downticket races, and the party itself. and it gives bernie a reason for a legitimate third party run, which he would probably win

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #27)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:56 AM

33. If Hillary wins because of superdelegates

Then consider me full democratic socialist. I'll be voting green or some shit everytime.

I'll vote Hillary if it means avoiding Trump. But that's all.

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Response to retrowire (Reply #33)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:13 PM

38. CAREFUL

 

You might upset the boys upstairs.

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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #39)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:15 PM

40. Learning my political leanings,

I'll likely vote blue every time or not vote at all. I cannot fathom voting red, ever.

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Response to retrowire (Reply #40)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:17 PM

44. Oh, voting red will NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER be on the table.

 

Jesus that never crossed my mind. I meant I always vote Dem instead of third party (Green, Socialist, ect.) No, NEVER THE RIGHT WING. When it comes to American Political Parties it better dead then rethuglican red.

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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #39)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:22 PM

141. Does that mean a write-in if HRC steals the nomination? nm

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #141)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:27 PM

143. Write in for who?

 

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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #39)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 06:41 AM

153. LOL because any republican would be better than Lieberman

He really turned into a big douche bag eh?

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Response to mdbl (Reply #153)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 06:54 AM

154. NO!

 

I would never vote republican EVER. I meant third party. God no, never republican!

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Response to retrowire (Reply #33)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:35 PM

91. i think if they go nuclear they know they are toast

for a long time to come.

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Response to retrowire (Reply #33)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:15 PM

100. won't happen.

don't worry.

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #27)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:54 PM

79. if they pull that particular trigger the party will have openly said that it doesn't matter what the

vote is, that they can Putsch their way to a massive GE loss, that Florida 2000 had made them angry only because they hadn't thought of it first

it'll immediately go to SCOTUS, immediately become 24/7 news, and send shockwaves that will make the bosses lose control completely at the moment they thought they'd won everything in spite of it all; the party will have told everyone to "sit down and shut up" for 23 years running and now there's a few hundred million of us that are simply not gonna

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Response to MisterP (Reply #79)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:35 PM

90. yup. exactly. my guess is they will play it stealthily

pretend to support bernie but behind the scenes try and get trump elected. i read someone here a while ago say if bernie is the nom, the party will "cede" the ge and focus in downticket. yeah, good luck with that...if people don't come out for bernie, the downtickets are toast.

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #90)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:11 PM

97. again, they'd give up power for control, and is also exactly the same stunt the Center

pulled in 30s Germany; Sanders is going to have to clean house so much it might distract him from policy

it's a nightmare combination of self-sabotage and amoral power-hunger

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Response to MisterP (Reply #97)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:37 PM

107. going to be a big mess for him to clean up

fortunately, he is up to the job and will pick the best people to assist him.

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Response to 4dsc (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:40 PM

77. The only delegates Clinton currently has

 

are perhaps half of the Superdelegates. Maybe 350. Out of 2,240 needed for the nomination.

You might want to review how to calculate percentages.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:49 AM

25. Well, it's a lock that we definitely can't do anything but get beat down even

more if Hillary is nominated.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:51 AM

26. bernie is exuding positivity and activism.

and wants us all to work together for greatness. she is defeatist and pushing people to stay down and be happy about it

people need positivity

thats why bernie is gonna win

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:54 AM

29. This is so spot on! nt

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:55 AM

31. I'm sorry Hillary.

I've got too much faith in America's original promise.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:57 AM

34. Yet the common retort to our goal-setting is

"how can you get it done?" So, by not knowing how, we should give up before starting. With that attitude, she would not even be able to RUN for president as a woman! We wouldn't have reached the moon. No airplanes, no cars, no trains, and so on. The battle must start somewhere even if a victory seems completely unlikely; otherwise, we have lost before even trying.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:57 AM

35. K&R The Can't Do campaign. nt

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:04 PM

36. K/R

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:06 PM

37. That's not a Debbie Downer campaign: it's a Debbie Wassermann Schutz campaign! eom

 

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:16 PM

42. That's freakin' hilarious. And so true.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:17 PM

43. I love the top post. It really resonates with me. Thank you ...

Doesn't anyone recall her hammering Obama's healthcare efforts during the 2008 election? "Shame on you Barack Obama" for criticizing her plan. And now it's fine to criticize Bernie's single payer, while she loves Obama's healthcare so much she wants to expand on it? (and let the .1% of Americans without healthcare who miss out on that expansion die - it is a tough climb to single payer but at least Bernie's going to fight for them)

In 2008, she was Annie Oakley on guns. Now?

I could go on and on.

I swear that if you presented a black automobile tire to Hillary, she could argue relentlessly that it was really white all along if doing so would get her any more votes.

That BS is such a turnoff to me, she's not much better than the GOP.

The more this campaign has gone on, the more confident I've become in Bernie Sanders and my confidence in Hillary Clinton has fallen along with that.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #43)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 09:30 AM

163. It's closer to 10% of Americans without health insurance

Today. Many more than that have insurance, but its essentially useless to them because it is a catastrophic only policy that would still bankrupt them if used.

The aca helped a few, especially the corporate execs in the insurance and pharma industries.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:18 PM

45. I can't stand the throwing in the towel mentality.

If we aren't going to strive to make things better for average people, we might as well all join the GOP and send our money directly to the 1%.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:25 PM

51. "No We Can't" is sounding a lot like "Stay the course."

 


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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:35 PM

53. She's a sensible progressive. Bailing out Wall Street banksters-no prob. Perpetual war-doable.

Free tuition in public institutions funded by a tiny Wall Street transaction tax. What? Are you out of your damned mind?

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:45 PM

55. I don't know what is attractive about no healthcare improvements,

No economic improvement or living wages for working people. No peace agreements to avoid war, because we have to be afraid of our own shadow.
I feel like ive been transported to an alternate universe.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:51 PM

56. It's sad but true



Having Bernie challenge her now is making Hilary's positions clear. It hurts -- if she becomes the nominee the general may be close -- but at least we know now and not after the primaries are over.

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #56)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:15 PM

65. Thank you Last Lib. Just what we needed!

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #56)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:10 PM

123. Shamelessly swiped

 

for reposting as appropriate.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:57 PM

58. Another is, "It's either me or the Republicans win!"

 

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:58 PM

60. she really thinks attacking SS and Medicare are great moves that'll double her audience

because that's what the GOP pushes and half the people vote for them, so just split the difference and you're golden

that "Debbie Downer" thing is actually accurate (and used against DWS): for '10, '12, and '14 they 1. alternated between delirious promises of 99 Senators and 500 Reps, then swinging to "better luck next time"; 2. already picked out this or that bloc to preblame; 3. fudged and sabotaged numerous primary and even GE campaigns, sacrificing power for control

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Response to MisterP (Reply #60)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:22 PM

104. I've been wondering what the election efforts of the DWS/HRC will show. With such a tight

 

sisterhood there has to be some carryover. They've both crapped in their nests, as I see it.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:01 PM

61. Man that's so true. Devastating really.

And yet she wraps herself in Obama. I don't think it will work.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:16 PM

66. She never seems to learn.

 

It's like it's always 1994 in her mind.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:17 PM

68. I'm thinking this will cost her the election.

I admit to a certain bias, but I think Bernie walked away with it, and the nomination, last night.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:18 PM

69. Just watched the debate and I wholeheartedly agree

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:21 PM

72. Her reasoning for not wanting single payer was puzzling

 

"We can't have single payer because we can't have another debate on healthcare!"

Defeatism.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #72)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:27 PM

105. If only she took the same view with wars .

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:56 PM

80. "Hey 99% Americans: you can't have nice things so shut up and vote for me." -love, Hillary

 

With Democrats like Shillary who needs Republicans?

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:57 PM

81. If Hillary were in "This Modern World", I think she would be a very sensible woodchuck democrat.

Beyond this and as an aside, it should be noted that the Hillary Clinton Group is mighty sensitive. It took only one post and a subsequent, deferential exchange of a couple of posts in response to a trending OP that showed Michael Moore both praised and criticized Sec. Clinton to be banned from that group.

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Response to xocet (Reply #81)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:23 PM

85. That group is policed with a vigor

 

And thoroughness that the Stasi would have envied.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #85)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:34 PM

86. Das ist mir jetzt ganz klar! (That is totally clear to me now!) n/t

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Response to xocet (Reply #81)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 05:38 AM

149. Two sides to that coin.

 

I was banned from the Sanders for daring to suggest that no one deserved blind faith. Not a criticism of Sanders, just saying that blind faith was not owed to anyone.

Both sides are sniping at each other, just what the GOP could only dream of occurring.

I like both candidates, for different reasons. I think either of them could win over any GOP candidate, if the rabid supporters don't piss off too many mainstream people.

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Response to Thor_MN (Reply #149)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 06:43 PM

175. May the Democratic Party candidates win in this next election! That is about all one can say. n/t

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:04 PM

82. Sadly, No We Can't has been America's motto for years now

 

Universal health care? No we can't

High speed rail coast to coast? No we can't

Wholesale rapid transition to clean energy? No we can't

the list goes on

Bernie is telling us we CAN have the same standard of services as other rich countries, if we DEMAND them.

It's a message I'm willing to vote for.

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Response to Dems to Win (Reply #82)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:19 PM

103. it's the Apathy Singalong....

Everybody join in...

where'd 'ya go...??

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:07 PM

83. Her slogan should be the following:

"Yes We Can...On My Terms."

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:09 PM

84. I'm sure the money can be found, however,

 

For War Eternal and another Wall Street bailout when the time comes.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #84)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 11:10 AM

168. +1. Bernie brought up the massive US military budget in this debate, verboten and

I was glad to see it. Maybe some minds were opened, a bit.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:39 PM

87. That's what her supporters on DU keep saying.

Maybe instead of parroting that talking point in order to support the corporate candidate they should get behind the candidate who is actually going to work to do those things, since they claim they want them but they are simply being pragmatic. Except for those who are now openly arguing against single-payer.



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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:06 PM

88. Hillary's chant

 

What do we want?
Incremental change!
When do we want it?
Very slowly over several years, if at all!!!

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:31 PM

89. K & R

 

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:13 PM

98. fired up and ready to fold

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:31 PM

106. I must have wandered on to RU by mistake n/t

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:11 PM

108. Hillary understands reality,

she refuses to tilt at windmills.
If most Americans actually want these things all they have to do is vote for representatives who will listen. So far, they haven't. Voting is the only poll that counts.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:41 PM

112. Hopefully it costs her the nomination before she has a chance of it costing her the election

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:56 PM

114. I'm stealing your post.

 

I am going to post it everywhere I can think of.

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #114)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 06:01 PM

115. Go right ahead.

 

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Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #115)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:45 PM

136. thanks!

will be doing the same.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 06:18 PM

118. True!

OMG! It is indeed a No We Can't campaign.

Thanks for confirming what was in the back of my mind.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 06:41 PM

120. K&R

Enough is enough! When we stand together we can and we will. She can take that "No We Can't" and go far away to another galaxy.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:13 PM

124. Good thing JFK didn't feel that way

 

about going to the moon. Preemptive surrender is not a strategy.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #124)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:25 PM

127. Indeed. eom

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #124)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:27 PM

128. Word !!! - This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things...

 










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Response to WillyT (Reply #128)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:29 PM

129. As I said elsewhere.

 

The common touch of Marie Antoinette and the humility of Napoleon (who crowned himself Emperor of the French).

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #129)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:31 PM

131. Ouch !!! - LOL !!!

 




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Response to WillyT (Reply #131)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:36 PM

134. Spread it around.

 

One of my better coinages, IMO.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:22 PM

126. Hillary's campaign could probably use

some zing. Evidently it has lots of money. But it hasn't bought any zing with all that dough.

Also they could use a unifying theme. In recent days here we learn she's the "heir" to Obama's presidency. Uh, no. No zing. Stupid theme.

They could have Chelsea state that she isn't motivated by money at all. Maybe a campaign ad could be whipped together with Chelsea renouncing money as she walks home to her $10.5 million dollar apartment. No zing. Though plenty of ka-ching.

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Response to saltpoint (Reply #126)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:31 PM

130. It's all about the $$$

 

and absolutely nothing else.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #130)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:33 PM

133. Yep. The Clintons are no strangers to

the marketplace.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:42 PM

140. a living wage? no we can't!

for at least another 10 years. now is not the time!

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:23 PM

142. Supporting the Military Industrial Complex, YES WE CAN. nm

 

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:52 PM

146. more like, "No We Won't"

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:16 AM

147. No we can't but I can rake in millions in speaking fees.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 04:46 AM

148. No We Can't!

 

You inspired me!

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 05:55 AM

150. Traditional Democratic values? No. We. Can't.

 

"Goldman Sachs won't let me."

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 06:05 AM

151. Sanders introduced a single payer bill in 2009 -- it died, as did Vermont's attempt to enact SP.

We'd all but assuredly be better off with SP, but people don't understand that, especially when tax increases are proposed.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #151)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 07:42 AM

157. In 2009, marriage equality wasn't doing so well either

What good are gutless people who refuse to fight for positive goods?

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Response to eridani (Reply #157)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 06:24 PM

173. He can keep coming back with the same old dead legislation, go home and celebrate his bravado, while

nothing gets done. He'll fit right in with the GOPers who won't budge to get something worthwhile enacted.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #173)

Wed Jan 20, 2016, 04:49 AM

177. By all means let's never demand anything from our government for the 99%

No We CAN'T!!! Marriage equality was hopeless in 2009, and is the law of the land now. How do you suppose that changed?

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Response to eridani (Reply #177)

Wed Jan 20, 2016, 04:56 AM

178. By all means, let's stand firm and fail on this one.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #178)

Wed Jan 20, 2016, 05:00 AM

179. Like legal MJ and marriage equality, you fail until you succeed

Enough with gutless wusses already!

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #151)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 07:58 AM

158. No We Can't!

 

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 06:18 AM

152. GOP Light

Just like Bill.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 06:56 AM

155. Kicked and recommended! I was happy to cast the 300th recommendation.

This OP should have 300 more.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 08:38 AM

159. She Squints A Lot

 

Like a psycho

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 09:01 AM

160. Yes we can!

Can't wait to get my free stuff!

Go Bernie!

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 11:07 AM

167. Hillary

First, she thought she could just cruise into being president, and she didn't really try very hard. She just assumed the post was hers. Now, we have Bernie in there, who has proven over and over again that he has nothing to hide, and he's not owned by anyone. Hillary's has taken to extremes to fight back. But, she's too deep and too "owned" by others to really make the middle class a priority.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 06:27 PM

174. Nope

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 07:00 PM

176. Hillary is Big Money's firewall.

 

The Republicans are in disarray, so they need a Democrat to keep the people from stopping them.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:18 PM

182. She, of all people, knows who really runs the show

and she knows there's no better way to curry their favor than to wholeheartedly push their agenda.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:52 PM

184. Here's my contribution to the meme!

 


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