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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 11:52 AM Jan 2016

Berserk Clinton Bigwigs Launch Nixonian Attack Against Surging Sanders - Observer

Berserk Clinton Bigwigs Launch Nixonian Attack Against Surging Sanders
Eleven populist points about the Bernie blizzard

By Brent Budowsky • Observer
01/20/16 9:36am

<snip>

In an astonishing political development, as a CNN/WMUR poll shows Bernie Sanders defeating Hillary Clinton by an astounding 27 points in the New Hampshire primary and an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll finds him defeating Donald Trump in the general election by a whopping 15 points, a long list of prominent Clinton supporters has launched an all-out negative attack against Mr. Sanders reminiscent of the red-baiting attacks Richard Nixon once deployed against liberals.

First, a caution to readers: these polls show definite trends that should bring joy to the hearts of Sanders supporters and dread to the hearts of Team Clinton, but trends in campaigns and results in polls will shift many times in a presidential election.

Second, an observation on the meaning of the Sanders surge: these and other polls demonstrate what I have long argued is the great truth that will be revealed in the 2016 election. There is a progressive populist majority in America that exists beneath the tectonic plates of American politics that Mr. Sanders to his advantage is galvanizing in his campaign and Ms. Clinton to her disadvantage has been resisting in hers.

Third, a word of advice to Team Clinton: calm down and back off the panicked attacks against Mr. Sanders that are highlighted in a New York Times story in which one Democratic Senator who supports Ms. Clinton, Claire McCaskill of Missouri, reached a new low by suggesting that Republicans will run an ad against Mr. Sanders alongside the hammer and sickle which, in other words, would paint him as a communist.

Fourth, a key fact: the latest NBC/Wall Street Journal poll really did find Mr. Sanders defeating Mr. Trump by 15 points, confirming an earlier Quinnipiac poll showing him defeating Mr. Trump by 13 points, with other polling by NBC/Wall Street Journal showing the Vermont senator defeating the Republican frontrunner by similar margins in general election match-up in Iowa and New Hampshire.

Fifth, perhaps the most fascinating impact of the huge Sanders surge is...

<snip>

More: http://observer.com/2016/01/berserk-clinton-bigwigs-launch-nixonian-attack-against-surging-sanders/


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Berserk Clinton Bigwigs Launch Nixonian Attack Against Surging Sanders - Observer (Original Post) WillyT Jan 2016 OP
Great read! Punkingal Jan 2016 #1
Thanks !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #2
Hillary is up again by 25 points: and she up Iowa again by 21 lewebley3 Jan 2016 #23
Yeah, but that was a poll from the Onion. Fuddnik Jan 2016 #25
Onions are scientific!! AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #34
Gravis poll has Hllary 20: and Chalie Cooks says sign point clear lewebley3 Jan 2016 #93
Gravis. OK, then. bvf Jan 2016 #122
Outsourced support via contractors n/t arcane1 Jan 2016 #127
If they can coach a guy in Mumbai to speak with a Texas bvf Jan 2016 #131
They thought they would only have to convince stupid people..? arcane1 Jan 2016 #132
Wo bu dong! pangaia Jan 2016 #141
mandarin? yuiyoshida Jan 2016 #153
Hai, so desu. pangaia Jan 2016 #156
hehe yuiyoshida Jan 2016 #162
Pftttt..... Punkingal Jan 2016 #38
Charlie Cooks say: It looks good for Hillary to sailing through Primaries lewebley3 Jan 2016 #27
Harvey Jame say; Already with looking Basics yesterday! bvf Jan 2016 #134
Wakarimasu, ne. pangaia Jan 2016 #142
sou ka yuiyoshida Jan 2016 #154
Wow.. talk about xenophobic idiot... pangaia Jan 2016 #157
Mochiron! yuiyoshida Jan 2016 #163
Arigato gozaimasu, Yui-chan. pangaia Jan 2016 #164
kochira koso!! yuiyoshida Jan 2016 #165
I just saw Clare McKaskill on the teevee saying what she roguevalley Jan 2016 #155
I have not read this yet MuseRider Jan 2016 #3
It's Trump propaganda. Is that what you like to read? pnwmom Jan 2016 #59
It's pro Sanders so it must be allowed Politicub Jan 2016 #69
Putin approves of it. Ivan Kaputski Jan 2016 #80
Where do you get off MuseRider Jan 2016 #85
The editor who wrote the title is a former henchman for Guiliani. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #112
As you have said over and over again. MuseRider Jan 2016 #115
It was an inflammatory, attention-grabbing title, of the type that will be used pnwmom Jan 2016 #117
This is my last response to you. MuseRider Jan 2016 #119
You want inflammatory? pangaia Jan 2016 #143
Do you have a link for that? pnwmom Jan 2016 #144
Brent Budowsky is the author of the article Kalidurga Jan 2016 #104
He didn't write the inflammatory title. That's an editor's job. pnwmom Jan 2016 #113
Do you have anything better than BAD TITLE BAD TITLE as an argument? Kalidurga Jan 2016 #128
When DUers post those kinds of titles -- they don't have to -- they're cooperating pnwmom Jan 2016 #129
What is the difference in a law degree from a catholic university? mdbl Jan 2016 #159
On Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:44 PM an alert was sent on the following post: Kalidurga Jan 2016 #106
If Sanders wins the nomination and the Observer starts treating Sanders pnwmom Jan 2016 #114
I don't care what critics have to say Kalidurga Jan 2016 #126
You might as well watch FOX, if you're going to be influenced by Observer propaganda. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #130
I agree with the author of the essay Kalidurga Jan 2016 #136
You're already acknowledged that you don't try to inform yourself pnwmom Jan 2016 #138
It's not my fault you like to focus on things you don't like. Kalidurga Jan 2016 #139
Wow. Completely skunked. Aces. bvf Jan 2016 #135
Yeah I wish I had been on the jury Kalidurga Jan 2016 #137
. tk2kewl Jan 2016 #4
Exactly. jalan48 Jan 2016 #6
Don't know if you like football... malthaussen Jan 2016 #7
I am. I think this was DWS's strategy. Hillary had a big lead, run out the clock on anyone else. jalan48 Jan 2016 #8
Hillary is ahead in Iowa by 21:and 25 naitonally lewebley3 Jan 2016 #31
On an outlier. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #41
Lay down that pipe snoringvoter Jan 2016 #43
Look around at the people. People that lost their jobs, lost their homes, lost their rhett o rick Jan 2016 #111
أنا لا أفهم pangaia Jan 2016 #145
I prefer to use "prevent the win" for this. Jeff Murdoch Jan 2016 #36
Exactly. bvar22 Jan 2016 #96
More like voices in her head. Fuddnik Jan 2016 #32
Good article -- The author makes many valid points Armstead Jan 2016 #5
The damage to her campaign is irreversible and self inflicted. TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #9
Yep, sadly. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #11
It's a damn shame. TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #16
Exactly. If she wins the primary we will end up with Trump ...and maybe moosie girl. Ivan Kaputski Jan 2016 #95
Ha, is Palin going to run again? n/t TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #103
Rump's VP. Ivan Kaputski Jan 2016 #107
LOL! TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #108
I prefer Kalidurga Jan 2016 #105
She was very sparkly in the press conference Ino Jan 2016 #124
And shiney too Kalidurga Jan 2016 #125
But think about it. pangaia Jan 2016 #147
This Citizen's Humble Opinion - A Vote For HRC In The Primary Is A Vote For Trump In The General cantbeserious Jan 2016 #152
Yep, and I don't vote for republicans. TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #166
Awww... chervilant Jan 2016 #10
She's horrible. Hammer and Sickle, really? BOO! SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #12
They've already done it nxylas Jan 2016 #28
What is horrible is seeing gullible DUers getting suckered in by a Trump publication. pnwmom Jan 2016 #56
Who cares? snoringvoter Jan 2016 #81
My concern is that Sanders could win literally every primary and Gene Debs Jan 2016 #13
That would make things interesting mindwalker_i Jan 2016 #14
We seem to be headed in that direction. TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #21
The Democratic party under the control of the neolibs have continued to lose membership . raindaddy Jan 2016 #37
Both parties have some serious problems mindwalker_i Jan 2016 #51
Huge +1! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #72
I totally agree. n/t TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #66
I have had quite enough of corporate rule. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #67
I don't think that's mathematically possible 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #17
No, they don't carry more clout. SheilaT Jan 2016 #45
Superdelegates have about 20% of the votes at the convention. jeff47 Jan 2016 #47
If that were to happen Old Codger Jan 2016 #20
That can only happen if the primary is close, and the superdelegates want to end their careers. jeff47 Jan 2016 #33
"extremely unlikely that the party will be dumb enough to do it"...we're talking about Gene Debs Jan 2016 #40
Clinton and DWS would argue for the party to do it, but they can't make the party do it. jeff47 Jan 2016 #46
Not enough super delegates. SheilaT Jan 2016 #44
That's one way to lose quickly...n/t TCJ70 Jan 2016 #64
It would be the end of the Democratic Party. Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #123
The sheer PANIC from Dinos cracks me up. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #15
The sheer gullibility of those who swallow Trump propaganda pnwmom Jan 2016 #62
Attack the message, not the messenger snoringvoter Jan 2016 #83
That explains the attacks on all other Republicans. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #98
I have never seen anything quite like it. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #75
LOL Dinos indeed. Ivan Kaputski Jan 2016 #99
K&R - another good one WillyT. Kudos. n/t 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #18
Wow. That headline sounds like it's right out of a Dr. Strange comic! Matariki Jan 2016 #19
A prize OP, WillyT. Duval Jan 2016 #22
This "prize" was put out there by the Trumps. Are they a good source of prizes for you? pnwmom Jan 2016 #53
You have offered nothing of substance in this thread. snoringvoter Jan 2016 #84
The thread is based on the false idea that Trump's son-in-law pnwmom Jan 2016 #90
So? It's been around for 30 years snoringvoter Jan 2016 #92
The OWNER is 33 years old. He must have launched it when he was 3. pnwmom Jan 2016 #94
My goodness you are gullible anigbrowl Jan 2016 #118
I'm not. You're the one who's throwing everything claiming "right-wing" on everything. snoringvoter Jan 2016 #120
Ah, I'm the gullible one because I do check sources and facts anigbrowl Jan 2016 #121
You've posted that at least twice now. bvf Jan 2016 #140
OMG! The idiot voters are going to elect a SOCIALIST!!1!!!11!1! What's a corrupt Democratic Party to in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #24
"I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist because of the MisterP Jan 2016 #73
Obviously ...we approve of it. Ivan Kaputski Jan 2016 #100
K & R! SoapBox Jan 2016 #26
What an eye catching title. eom guillaumeb Jan 2016 #29
BoneHead of the year! hootinholler Jan 2016 #30
Yes, this: Lorien Jan 2016 #35
I swear, WillyT, you find the best stuff. seafan Jan 2016 #39
And smear campaigns rarely work against people viewed as a whole Fawke Em Jan 2016 #42
Right on, Fawke Em. seafan Jan 2016 #91
STEVE COHEN said that? Fawke Em Jan 2016 #150
The Trump family owns this Hillary-hating rag, and the OP keeps posting from it anyway. pnwmom Jan 2016 #48
Yes, the right wing are really pushing this bullshit meme. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #55
I love the word Bigwigs Kentonio Jan 2016 #49
I saw what you did there .,.. LOL ....good one. libdem4life Jan 2016 #63
Clinton's hypocritical reversal of Single Payer Healthcare seems to have broken the camel's back! nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #50
This is a Trump produced rag now. Do you believe everything Trump says? pnwmom Jan 2016 #52
This article aside, HRC's reversal of SP has doomed her campaign. Observe the polling timelines. nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #54
This article is the basis of the OP. No one should be posting Trump propoganda here. pnwmom Jan 2016 #57
Don't ignore my post and deflect to this article. The reality is a level of hypocrisy is unrivaled. TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #82
If you don't want your post ignored, then don't laud a Trump-produced pnwmom Jan 2016 #89
There ya go, regardless of the thread I posted to, you've ignored it. Kudos! nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #110
Well I appreciated what you had to say. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2016 #158
*sigh* snoringvoter Jan 2016 #86
Has nothing to do with the article itself Armstead Jan 2016 #58
The Observer is part of Trump's attack machine, not some neutral messenger. pnwmom Jan 2016 #60
Good suggestion. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #79
And The Author ??? WillyT Jan 2016 #76
Authors don't write headlines, editors do. And the editor is a Guiliani henchman. pnwmom Jan 2016 #78
What Difference A Day Makes INdemo Jan 2016 #61
Kicked and recommended! Thanks, WillyT! I agree with all of that. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #65
You just swallowed whole a Trump produced piece of crap. The headline alone pnwmom Jan 2016 #70
It might be influenced by Trump but the content is highly accurate. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #88
Hillary Living in a Bubble gordyfl Jan 2016 #68
and the results are in! yuiyoshida Jan 2016 #71
Gee. I wonder if anyone has trouble identifying the alerter? bvar22 Jan 2016 #146
Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT Jokerman Jan 2016 #74
I'm very sure we all know who alerted it. snoringvoter Jan 2016 #87
The inevitable alert got skunked 0-7! KamaAina Jan 2016 #77
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #97
K&R -- Thanks for this, WillyT senz Jan 2016 #101
The TRUTH that entrenched Hillary supporters refuse to face.... bvar22 Jan 2016 #102
Good Quote gordyfl Jan 2016 #109
Jeeze I wish that guy were still around (Wellstone) Armstead Jan 2016 #133
Joe McCarthy is BACK FROM THE DEAD and now John Poet Jan 2016 #116
This red-baiting campaign of Hillary's is making me angrier, John Poet Jan 2016 #148
Apparently Bad Bad JuJu Jan 2016 #149
Hell, she can run as a Republican when tRump drops out. Myrina Jan 2016 #160
She has turned into a pathetic loser. As Steven Leser so cogently observed Doctor_J Jan 2016 #151
I'm concerned you didn't accuse the bigwigs of suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. LanternWaste Jan 2016 #161
 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
93. Gravis poll has Hllary 20: and Chalie Cooks says sign point clear
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 03:20 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:16 PM - Edit history (1)


sailing in Iowa for HIllary
 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
122. Gravis. OK, then.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 07:25 PM
Jan 2016

BTW, has anyone ever told you your posts are actually painful to read?

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
131. If they can coach a guy in Mumbai to speak with a Texas
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 08:22 PM
Jan 2016

twang, why can't they bring someone up to speed on simple shit like subject/verb agreement?

Makes sense, though.

yuiyoshida

(45,409 posts)
153. mandarin?
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 12:23 AM
Jan 2016

"I, No, Understand." wow.. how about that! Looks like my friend teaching me a bit of mandarin paid off!

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
157. Wow.. talk about xenophobic idiot...
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:31 AM
Jan 2016

That guy doesn't speak English. Why should I?
I answered one of his in Arabic also. we shall see.

If I figured out the Tokyo subway, then I think I have earned the right to use a little Japanese, eh. :&gt )

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
155. I just saw Clare McKaskill on the teevee saying what she
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:18 AM
Jan 2016

said and that git, Ed Rendell. I nearly put my foot through the teevee. They will lose. I will celebrate. Win-win for me.

MuseRider

(35,176 posts)
3. I have not read this yet
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 12:26 PM
Jan 2016

but I had to rec it just for the headline. LOL. That is a great use of words.

Bookmarked for later.

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
59. It's Trump propaganda. Is that what you like to read?
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:36 PM
Jan 2016

Wikipedia:

Jared Corey Kushner (born January 10, 1981) is an American businessman and investor. He is principal owner of the real estate holding and development company Kushner Properties and the newspaper publishing company The New York Observer. He is the son of American real estate developer Charles Kushner and is married to Ivanka Trump, the daughter of American business magnate Donald Trump.

Politicub

(12,328 posts)
69. It's pro Sanders so it must be allowed
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:51 PM
Jan 2016

Doesn't matter if it was written by a right wing nutter. If it's positive about Sanders it's gotta be good.

MuseRider

(35,176 posts)
85. Where do you get off
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 03:04 PM
Jan 2016

assuming I like to read Trump propaganda? Did you not read my post? I said I have not read it yet in the heading, "bookmarked for later" in the body and I still have not looked at it. I just thought the title was clever. Holy hell.

To the other poster, no it is not OK if it is not a good and truthful article just because it supports Sanders. I swear, the chips on shoulders around here for no good reason just make this a hard place to want to visit.

MuseRider

(35,176 posts)
115. As you have said over and over again.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 06:38 PM
Jan 2016

So? It was cleverly worded. Does this mean we have to have a knee jerk hatred for everything that comes out of that paper? What about all the papers Murdoch owns? What about all the media that is owned by the MIC and other RWers?

I can read something and not be captivated with the owners or former bosses of the writer. I can even appreciate something that is not Democratic and not change my mind or buy any of it.

This really really really gets to you doesn't it. I think you need not worry we will all swing to Trump or whatever it is that worries you. Against Hillary, is that it? I still have not read it so I don't know but I really feel like I do not need to be schooled every time I read something or think something is clever.

Poor poor HRC. It must be a humdinger of an article to get this response. I think we all know it would not have been a big deal or AS big of a deal if it had been bad about Bernie.

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
117. It was an inflammatory, attention-grabbing title, of the type that will be used
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 06:58 PM
Jan 2016

against Bernie if he is the nominee and he goes against Trump.

I doubt that you will be making excuses for this rag then.

MuseRider

(35,176 posts)
119. This is my last response to you.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 07:09 PM
Jan 2016

I fully expect many papers, organizations and news mongers to write things against Bernie. It is the way it goes, every time. You know this. If we all agreed nobody would write anything bad or mean about the other people involved but then if we all agreed we would not need elections.

Again, I will read anything that gets put in front of me. I can read things I don't like from people I don't like or support and use it to form my own opinions.

I could not care less who this guys former boss was or who owns the paper. I read and make my own decisions. I suspect you do the same or maybe not. Maybe you only read news that pleases you? Well that would make sense I suppose.

Really, I don't think you have changed any of us who believe in reading many different viewpoints and are perfectly capable of deciding what to do with that information. If your whole beef is who wrote it and who owns the paper then good luck. We will all be living in a dark hole if we have to only read papers or articles that have nothing to do with people we don't like.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
143. You want inflammatory?
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 09:22 PM
Jan 2016

HRC sending out one of her soldiers to accuse Bernie of being a Communist is inflammatory.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
104. Brent Budowsky is the author of the article
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 04:33 PM
Jan 2016

Brent Budowsky formerly served as policy aide to Sen. Lloyd Bentsen (D-Tex) and Legislative Director to Rep. Bill Alexander D-Ark.), then Chief Deputy Majority Whip. He holds a law degree from Catholic University, and an LL.M. degree from the London School of Economics and writes a weekly column for The Hill. Email him at brentbbi@webtv.net

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
113. He didn't write the inflammatory title. That's an editor's job.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 06:29 PM
Jan 2016

And their editor is a former Guiliani guy.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
128. Do you have anything better than BAD TITLE BAD TITLE as an argument?
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 08:03 PM
Jan 2016

I had a professor that would buy that as a reason to ding a paper, but even he wouldn't say the whole essay is crap over a crap title.

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
129. When DUers post those kinds of titles -- they don't have to -- they're cooperating
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 08:18 PM
Jan 2016

in a deliberate effort of the editor to inflame and mudsling.

mdbl

(8,650 posts)
159. What is the difference in a law degree from a catholic university?
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 07:52 AM
Jan 2016

Do those lawyers believe in punishments from Leviticus? Do they prosecute neighbors for coveting someone's wife? Do they make all of their clients go to confession? Just wondering. I know a law degree from liberty university makes you a different type of lawyer, one that answers to the bible instead of the constitution, but don't know about the catholics.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
106. On Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:44 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 04:44 PM
Jan 2016


Berserk Clinton Bigwigs Launch Nixonian Attack Against Surging Sanders - Observer
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511034904

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The OP is aware that the Observer is now owned by the Trump family -- by his son-in-law -- and that its anti-Clinton diatribes are not journalism, they're propaganda.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:51 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: "anti-Clinton diatribes are not journalism" Pro-Clinton = Journalism, anti-Clinton = not journalism. This alert is transparent as hell.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is alert stalking
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There is nothing hide-worthy in this post
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: tRump's son-in-law? That means he's married to Ivanka, who clearly takes after her mom in terms of being sane. Would you want to be judged by your spouse's dad?
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
114. If Sanders wins the nomination and the Observer starts treating Sanders
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 06:31 PM
Jan 2016

like it's been treating Hillary -- which it will -- suddenly all of you will see the light.

The Observer was bought and paid for by the Trumps, and so are all the other media outlets in that chain.

We should be worried about them, not applauding them just because they see a strategic interest in promoting Bernie at this moment in time.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
126. I don't care what critics have to say
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 07:55 PM
Jan 2016

I don't watch FOX, I don't read MSM except for here, and I have been tuning out Hillary supporters from day one.

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
130. You might as well watch FOX, if you're going to be influenced by Observer propaganda. n/t
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 08:19 PM
Jan 2016

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
136. I agree with the author of the essay
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 08:39 PM
Jan 2016

I agreed with it before I read it. I think you are just closed minded to any view but your own. That's fine stick to your guns. Don't budge on the issues. And please avoid posting anything of substance.

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
138. You're already acknowledged that you don't try to inform yourself
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 08:49 PM
Jan 2016

about both sides of the issues.

I wouldn't be on DU if I tried to avoid every piece by a Bernie supporter, since 90% of Duers are his supporters.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
4. .
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 12:32 PM
Jan 2016
The bonehead move of the year award goes to DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz and whoever whispered in her ear to seek the fewest possible debates with the lowest possible audience.

jalan48

(14,914 posts)
6. Exactly.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 12:41 PM
Jan 2016

The run out the clock strategy is backfiring now that Clinton is behind in these polls. DWS is treating this as if it's a high school student body election where the "cool" kids get to set the rules and rig the game.

malthaussen

(18,567 posts)
7. Don't know if you like football...
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 12:44 PM
Jan 2016

... but my experience has always been that the "prevent" defense should be renamed the "allow" defense. Playing not to lose rarely wins.

-- Mal

jalan48

(14,914 posts)
8. I am. I think this was DWS's strategy. Hillary had a big lead, run out the clock on anyone else.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jan 2016

Now, as Bernie surges she's in a pickle.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
111. Look around at the people. People that lost their jobs, lost their homes, lost their
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 06:28 PM
Jan 2016

retirements. They are sick of the Establishment 1% and their puppets looting the 99%. This is a movement to throw out those that are puppets of the Wealthy 1%. Why would any Democrat support a candidate that accepts money via Citizens United and is loved by the Corporate Media? This is a class war and H. Clinton with her quickly accumulated $50 million wealth isn't on our side.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
96. Exactly.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 03:42 PM
Jan 2016

Changing up late in the game, and playing "not to lose" instead of continuing to do what has worked to get the lead is insanity. Those pages should have been ripped out of the playbook long ago.
Same applies to political campaigns.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
32. More like voices in her head.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:43 PM
Jan 2016

Yeah, it was Howard Dean screaming "YEOW"!!!!

The only logical interpretation was "Hold less debates". When nobody will be watching. On a station nobody watches. With twits as moderators.

TIME TO PANIC

(1,894 posts)
9. The damage to her campaign is irreversible and self inflicted.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jan 2016

If she gets the nominee our next president will most likely be republican.

TIME TO PANIC

(1,894 posts)
16. It's a damn shame.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jan 2016

The backlash is inevitable. A political party can't bury a popular candidate without consequences.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
105. I prefer
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 04:36 PM
Jan 2016

Sparkle Moose. It reminds me of that guy Sparkle Unicorn or something. I think he was the one under the blue tarp. It's kind of hard to tell they all look pretty much alike when they are under blue tarps.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
147. But think about it.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 09:27 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie was catching up way before she started her filthy behavior.


cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
152. This Citizen's Humble Opinion - A Vote For HRC In The Primary Is A Vote For Trump In The General
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 11:55 PM
Jan 2016

eom

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
56. What is horrible is seeing gullible DUers getting suckered in by a Trump publication.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:33 PM
Jan 2016

Wikipedia:

Jared Corey Kushner (born January 10, 1981) is an American businessman and investor. He is principal owner of the real estate holding and development company Kushner Properties and the newspaper publishing company The New York Observer. He is the son of American real estate developer Charles Kushner and is married to Ivanka Trump, the daughter of American business magnate Donald Trump.

 

snoringvoter

(178 posts)
81. Who cares?
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 03:02 PM
Jan 2016

You're shooting the publisher, not the message.

You ignore this at your own peril, Pacific Northwest Mom.

 

Gene Debs

(582 posts)
13. My concern is that Sanders could win literally every primary and
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:02 PM
Jan 2016

they'll still use the superdelegates to install Clinton as the nominee.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
14. That would make things interesting
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:08 PM
Jan 2016

My guess is that it would rip the democratic party apart, with liberals forming their own party (I would be in this camp), and the others, whether you want to call them DLC, third-way, republican-lite, would be the (D) party. Republicans would go more extreme and probably the way of the whigs.

TIME TO PANIC

(1,894 posts)
21. We seem to be headed in that direction.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:30 PM
Jan 2016

I don't see how the republicans can push the envelope much further without causing mass protest, and that might not be a bad thing.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
37. The Democratic party under the control of the neolibs have continued to lose membership .
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:02 PM
Jan 2016

I see Sanders as a last ditch effort to bring the Democratic party back inline with traditional Democratic party values..

If Sander's loses and Hillary's the nominee we'll be living under a corporate Wall Street owned government where the majority of the citizens no longer support either party and actual membership declines to fringe party levels.. Not a healthy state of affairs...

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
51. Both parties have some serious problems
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:28 PM
Jan 2016

For democrats, the party has become too corporate and too connected to wall street. It's lost its position on things that liberals like, and Bernie is shining a quasar on that. For republicans, they have been fed such a highly-concentrated diet about lazy poor people living off the government dole, how corporations are being picked clean by said poor, and how the "other side" is against America and God that they are completely unable to keep the country running without causing their NRA-fueled base to drop into negative sanity territory.

The result has been a country whose laws and actions have been hurting the big majority of its people. It hurts innovation on a huge scale - innovation that we really need to solve the problems that could be catastrophic for the world and civilization. Something has to give.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
17. I don't think that's mathematically possible
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:19 PM
Jan 2016

but I could be wrong. I know supers carry more clout, like twice as much (?) ..

I'm sure Hillarians will try every dirty trick in the book, and probably add a few new ones,
but I think if Bernie really did win 90% of the primaries, he'd still have more delegates than
the supers could over-ride.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
45. No, they don't carry more clout.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:21 PM
Jan 2016

They each have one vote, just like the regular delegates.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
47. Superdelegates have about 20% of the votes at the convention.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:25 PM
Jan 2016

So they could overturn a close result (say, 47% Sanders, 43% Clinton) but they can not overturn a very lopsided primary result.

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
20. If that were to happen
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:28 PM
Jan 2016

All bets are off, a run as a third party would be wide open and have a decent chance of taking the flag..... She would be a loser and most likely so would the rest of the Dem party.... It may take that big a revolution to turn things around for the rest of us..
I would hate to see that happen and would be very hesitant to vote off party but this may end up being our only real chance to make the changes that are truly necessary for our country to actually become what it once was...


I wonder of they may add some more debates??

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
33. That can only happen if the primary is close, and the superdelegates want to end their careers.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:46 PM
Jan 2016

Superdelegates have about 20% of the votes needed for the nomination. If Sanders wins literally every primary, they don't have enough votes to overturn the pledged delegates.

If it is somewhat close, then they could throw it to Clinton. However, the backlash would be enormous. Since most superdelegates hold elected positions, they are very likely to lose that position. Especially after such a tactic creates a massive loss in the GE due to shredding Democratic turnout.

So while it's mathematically possible to do, it is extremely unlikely that the party will be dumb enough to do it.

 

Gene Debs

(582 posts)
40. "extremely unlikely that the party will be dumb enough to do it"...we're talking about
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:13 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary Clinton, whose bad judgment under pressure is the stuff of legend, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz, whose willingness to do just about anything to install Clinton as the nominee is so brazen that she doesn't even try to be sneaky about it. If the two of them thought it might work, they'd do it.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
46. Clinton and DWS would argue for the party to do it, but they can't make the party do it.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:22 PM
Jan 2016

A lot of superdelegates on the 2016 ballot would have to decide that they want to lose their re-election campaign due to destroying turnout, and never run for office ever again due to the betrayal felt by the rank-and-file of the party.

While there's plenty in the establishment willing to support Clinton, their desire for self-preservation would overcome that support.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
44. Not enough super delegates.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:20 PM
Jan 2016

Plus, the super delegates, while well inside the party, have always gone, in the end, with the candidate with the most regular delegates. Thinking the DNC could manipulate the supers like that, just shows, you don't quite understand the math or how the process works.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
123. It would be the end of the Democratic Party.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 07:28 PM
Jan 2016

Oh yeah, and riots. Don't know if you were around for 1968 but we could easily be there again,

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
62. The sheer gullibility of those who swallow Trump propaganda
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:40 PM
Jan 2016

makes me sick.

The owner of the Observer -- and a chain of publications, which are all being used in his service - is Trump's 34 year old son-in-law.

 

snoringvoter

(178 posts)
83. Attack the message, not the messenger
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 03:03 PM
Jan 2016

I just told you upthread.

I said, WHO CARES WHO OWNS IT - if it's published, it's out there for dissemination.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
22. A prize OP, WillyT.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:36 PM
Jan 2016

The more I learn, the more I sincerely hope Hillary is not the nominee. We need underhanded crap going on in the While House like we need the bubonic plague. Really, I am beginning to think she may be up for criminal charges regarding her "damn" emails.

By attacking Bernie in this way, she is hurting the Democratic Party.

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
53. This "prize" was put out there by the Trumps. Are they a good source of prizes for you?
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:32 PM
Jan 2016

Wikipedia:

Jared Corey Kushner (born January 10, 1981) is an American businessman and investor. He is principal owner of the real estate holding and development company Kushner Properties and the newspaper publishing company The New York Observer. He is the son of American real estate developer Charles Kushner and is married to Ivanka Trump, the daughter of American business magnate Donald Trump.

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
90. The thread is based on the false idea that Trump's son-in-law
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jan 2016

is publishing journalism.

 

snoringvoter

(178 posts)
92. So? It's been around for 30 years
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 03:13 PM
Jan 2016

If it was recently launched, you might have a point. Unfortunately, you don't. It's been established for over 30 years.

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
94. The OWNER is 33 years old. He must have launched it when he was 3.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 03:35 PM
Jan 2016


The owner is worth hundreds of millions of dollars, because he was born with an even bigger silver spoon than Trump. And he wasn't responsible for what was published decades ago because he only bought the paper recently.
 

snoringvoter

(178 posts)
120. I'm not. You're the one who's throwing everything claiming "right-wing" on everything.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 07:19 PM
Jan 2016

You're the gullible one, and I really feel sorry for you.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
24. OMG! The idiot voters are going to elect a SOCIALIST!!1!!!11!1! What's a corrupt Democratic Party to
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:38 PM
Jan 2016

do?!

They've done everything they could to stop Bernie in his tracks and WE THE PEOPLE have answered back with OUR power! 99% > 1%! We're going to beat them!


I would love to be a fly on the wall in DWS/DNC/HRH meetings! Damn voters screwed up our grand plan!


PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
73. "I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist because of the
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:52 PM
Jan 2016

irresponsibility of its own people" --best bud Kissinger

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
35. Yes, this:
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:57 PM
Jan 2016

"Tenth, the bonehead move of the year award goes to Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz and whoever in the Clinton campaign whispered in her ear to seek the fewest possible debates with the lowest possible audience.

This ill-fated plan to rig the nominating process violates everything Democrats stand for and has now backfired against Ms. Clinton. Who ever heard of a political party that wants the smallest audience to hear its message, or a national political committee such as the DNC showing such extreme bias for any candidate as it did for Ms. Clinton and against Mr. Sanders on the debate issue?"

seafan

(9,387 posts)
39. I swear, WillyT, you find the best stuff.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:09 PM
Jan 2016

Thanks for pointing us to this excellent piece in the NY Observer.

In an astonishing political development, as a CNN/WMUR poll shows Bernie Sanders defeating Hillary Clinton by an astounding 27 points in the New Hampshire primary and an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll finds him defeating Donald Trump in the general election by a whopping 15 points, a long list of prominent Clinton supporters has launched an all-out negative attack against Mr. Sanders reminiscent of the red-baiting attacks Richard Nixon once deployed against liberals.

.....



Democratic presidential candidate U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders speaks during the the Iowa Brown and Black Forum sponsored by FUSION and broadcasted from Drake University on January 11 in Des Moines. (Photo: Joe Raedle/Getty Images), via Observer


Read this one, y'all.



Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
42. And smear campaigns rarely work against people viewed as a whole
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:19 PM
Jan 2016

generation's "Grandpa."

Millennials love the guy.

seafan

(9,387 posts)
91. Right on, Fawke Em.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jan 2016

As we can see, negative attacks aren't designed to improve the attacker's support; negative attacks are designed to tear down an opponent's support.

These ferocious attacks are ricocheting off of Sanders and backfiring big time on the attacker.

And with carping corporate hacks like McCaskill emerging today, it has never been clearer that our party needs a thorough housecleaning.


First Read: It's Panic Mode for the Democratic Establishment, January 20, 2016

Democratic politicians ran to the New York Times to tell the paper that Sanders would damage the party at the top of the ticket because he's a democratic socialist. Some of the juiciest quotes:

Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon: "Here in the heartland, we like our politicians in the mainstream, and he is not — he's a socialist."
Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN): "It wouldn't be helpful [on downballot races] outside Vermont, Massachusetts, Berkeley, Palo Alto and Ann Arbor."
Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO): "The Republicans won't touch him because they can't wait to run an ad with a hammer and sickle."

(And then don't miss David Brock on Bloomberg last night, labeling Sanders a "socialist… … He's got a 30 year history of affiliation with a lot of whack-doodle ideas and parties. Think about what the Republicans will do with the fact that he's a socialist in the fall.&quot


As the political-science crowd might say, this is "The Party Decides." Of course, it hasn't worked -- at all -- on the Republican side against Trump. So, did Team Clinton ever think it would have to come to this -- trying to destroy Bernie less than two weeks before Iowa?


(bold type added)

Just a few of those power-driven politicians whose positions of arrogance and jealousy are disintegrating.

This country is ascending a tsunami of populism and the Establishment's iron grip will soon be history, and one that we should never allow again.

Donald Trump leads one army and Bernie Sanders leads another army, and the Establishment is now surrounded.

For them, there is no way out.






Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
150. STEVE COHEN said that?
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 11:09 PM
Jan 2016

Oh, hell. What the fuck is happening?

Cohen used to be Southern Bernie, for Pete's sake!

Seriously, I live in Tennessee and, while Cohen represents the side of the state furthest from me, I always considered him my only representative.

Here's his Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Cohen

I'd like to see the context of that quote. Cohen is a natural Bernie supporter - unless he's been bought out by Fed Ex or something.

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
48. The Trump family owns this Hillary-hating rag, and the OP keeps posting from it anyway.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:26 PM
Jan 2016

The publisher is a Trump son-in-law editor was a henchman of Guiliani's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Kushner

Jared Corey Kushner (born January 10, 1981) is an American businessman and investor. He is principal owner of the real estate holding and development company Kushner Properties and the newspaper publishing company The New York Observer. He is the son of American real estate developer Charles Kushner and is married to Ivanka Trump, the daughter of American business magnate Donald Trump.

SunSeeker

(58,283 posts)
55. Yes, the right wing are really pushing this bullshit meme.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:33 PM
Jan 2016

Like the right pushed Nader to undermine Gore.

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
50. Clinton's hypocritical reversal of Single Payer Healthcare seems to have broken the camel's back! nt
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:27 PM
Jan 2016

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
52. This is a Trump produced rag now. Do you believe everything Trump says?
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jan 2016

From Wikipedia:

Jared Corey Kushner (born January 10, 1981) is an American businessman and investor. He is principal owner of the real estate holding and development company Kushner Properties and the newspaper publishing company The New York Observer. He is the son of American real estate developer Charles Kushner and is married to Ivanka Trump, the daughter of American business magnate Donald Trump.

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
54. This article aside, HRC's reversal of SP has doomed her campaign. Observe the polling timelines. nt
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:33 PM
Jan 2016

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
82. Don't ignore my post and deflect to this article. The reality is a level of hypocrisy is unrivaled.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 03:02 PM
Jan 2016

.


I'm a fifty-something neutral poli-sci continuing ed student, asked to upgrade to honors level, and I an uncommitted.

I am a staunch Democrat and only want to see a Dem in the White House and in down ballot elections.


===


If what I post upsets you, you should sit back and detach. I'm seeing a lot of people here who have lost their objectivity, polarized to one candidate or another. As someone who looks at this through the lens of critical analysis, I am seeing a group on both the HRC and SBS sides going at it for months. Both sides flaring up and I thought about stepping away for awhile, when things were getting really ugly.


Truth be told, the HRC campaign made some serious mistakes that are now coming home to roost. Whether there was influence on the DNC or what, that cast a really huge presentation of a rigged system. I care about getting the Dem message out, and it's hard to do when the debates are limited. But, that seems to be an almost moot point, even though DWS can schedule more debates midweek--they just don't want to.


The co-opting of SBS ideas, several weeks after SBS adopts them and then the low backing off of them by HRC leaves those politically savvy wondering what does she believe in? That was transparent to those studying politics.


Now, her complete reversal of Single Payer is the most stupefying move I have ever seen in politics (and I've seen a lot). Here is someone touting it for decades, and then all of a sudden comes out against it. Not only that, but Howard Dean, who works for a law form supporting the industry echos that position in an almost coordinated manner. The red flags immediately go up!


Whether you like my posts or what I say or not, I am trying to tell it the way I see it. (Oh, based on some good info, she's lost most of the Northeast, possibly retaining CT and maybe MA, but MA is looking doubtful.) The only way to really see this is to detach from the candidates. I took a wonderful Women and Politics course, and I swore HRC was going to walk away with this. I would really like to see a gender change in the high office, even though there are great institutional barriers in place. But, when I see HRC, someone I've loved since the 1990's, do and say the things she is doing in her campaign--it's really upsetting. This brings flashbacks of 2008 and her actions are self-destructive. There are no other forces causing this damage, but her and her campaign's actions. (To my SBS fans, I love Bernie too. For me, this contest is the best match-up that could occur. It puts old versus new political styles in play, with two very strong opponents.)


Campaigns want people to donate $3 dollars. Why? It's not for the money, political science shows that even $1 will politically align a donor with a candidate. The more small donations a candidate gets, the larger their base becomes. HRC still seems to struggle in this area. It's not a good sign, especially when you break those numbers down on a state by state basis. Extrapolated out, she's hurting in many states.


.

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
89. If you don't want your post ignored, then don't laud a Trump-produced
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 03:10 PM
Jan 2016

piece of propaganda.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
58. Has nothing to do with the article itself
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:35 PM
Jan 2016

How about addressing the subject instead of "shoot the messenger?"

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
60. The Observer is part of Trump's attack machine, not some neutral messenger.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jan 2016

And we should all be fighting back, not promoting anything it says.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
76. And The Author ???
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:55 PM
Jan 2016

Also form Wikipedia:

Brent J. Budowsky (born February 19, 1952)[1] is a liberal / progressive[2] American political opinion writer and blogger for publications including The Hill,[3] the LA Progressive,[4] and The Huffington Post.

From the mid-1970s to 1990, Budowsky served in senior congressional staff positions including legislative assistant to former Senator Lloyd Bentsen;[6] extensively involved with the Intelligence Identities Protection Act and Intelligence Officers Death Benefits Act, and legislative director to Representative Bill Alexander, then the Chief Deputy Majority Whip.


Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Budowsky



You're acting a tad panicked there...

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
78. Authors don't write headlines, editors do. And the editor is a Guiliani henchman.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:57 PM
Jan 2016

It's too bad that Budowsky can't find a better employer than Trumps' son-in-law, who was born with even a bigger silver spoon in his mouth than Trump was.

http://therealdeal.com/issues_articles/jared-kushner-the-accidental-ceo/

INdemo

(7,024 posts)
61. What Difference A Day Makes
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:38 PM
Jan 2016

Dedicated to all the Clara McCasshill fans and all the Hillary Clinton Fans



Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
65. Kicked and recommended! Thanks, WillyT! I agree with all of that.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:45 PM
Jan 2016

I love that bonehead move of the year award.

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
70. You just swallowed whole a Trump produced piece of crap. The headline alone
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:51 PM
Jan 2016

should have given you a clue.

Wikipedia:

Jared Corey Kushner (born January 10, 1981) is an American businessman and investor. He is principal owner of the real estate holding and development company Kushner Properties and the newspaper publishing company The New York Observer. He is the son of American real estate developer Charles Kushner and is married to Ivanka Trump, the daughter of American business magnate Donald Trump.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
88. It might be influenced by Trump but the content is highly accurate.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 03:07 PM
Jan 2016

I could have come up with a similar list myself. Many of us could.

If you can't see the glaring flaws in the Hillary campaign you aren't looking very closely. Or maybe you are looking through rose colored glasses.

Hillary needs to back off on the attacks. A huge majority of Democrats want single payer. How do you think it makes us feel when she attacks Bernie the way she does?

gordyfl

(598 posts)
68. Hillary Living in a Bubble
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:51 PM
Jan 2016

Elizabeth Warren had stated the the Democratic Party has moved left. Apparently Team Hillary didn't get it, or don't want to believe it.

Bernie is in tune with the pulse of the nation. It seems Hillary is living in a bubble.

yuiyoshida

(45,409 posts)
71. and the results are in!
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:52 PM
Jan 2016

On Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:44 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Berserk Clinton Bigwigs Launch Nixonian Attack Against Surging Sanders - Observer
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511034904

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bvar22

(39,909 posts)
146. Gee. I wonder if anyone has trouble identifying the alerter?
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 09:27 PM
Jan 2016

The alerter's comments mirror several posts in this thread....style and content.
Glad she got blitzed out of the thread for spurious alerting.

Jokerman

(3,559 posts)
74. Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:52 PM
Jan 2016

On Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:44 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Berserk Clinton Bigwigs Launch Nixonian Attack Against Surging Sanders - Observer
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511034904

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The OP is aware that the Observer is now owned by the Trump family -- by his son-in-law -- and that its anti-Clinton diatribes are not journalism, they're propaganda.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:51 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
77. The inevitable alert got skunked 0-7!
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:55 PM
Jan 2016

On Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:44 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Berserk Clinton Bigwigs Launch Nixonian Attack Against Surging Sanders - Observer
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511034904

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The OP is aware that the Observer is now owned by the Trump family -- by his son-in-law -- and that its anti-Clinton diatribes are not journalism, they're propaganda.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:51 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

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bvar22

(39,909 posts)
102. The TRUTH that entrenched Hillary supporters refuse to face....
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 04:02 PM
Jan 2016

...is that Hillary will ALSO be attacked as a "Socialist"in the General Election.
That has been SOP for EVERY winner of the Democratic Presidential Primary since before FDR.
Using that argument against Sanders is politically naive, if not outright disingenuous.


[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font]
[/center] [center] [/font]
[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center]
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John Poet

(2,510 posts)
116. Joe McCarthy is BACK FROM THE DEAD and now
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 06:44 PM
Jan 2016

running the Clinton campaign!


I think Team Clinton has stolen Marty's Time Machine and landed back in 1955...

YO HILLARY! Come BACK TO THE FUTURE!

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
148. This red-baiting campaign of Hillary's is making me angrier,
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 09:43 PM
Jan 2016

the more I think about it...

I mean, what party does she think she's running in?

Bad Bad JuJu

(22 posts)
149. Apparently
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 11:03 PM
Jan 2016

the "Clinton" party. Do ya think when Bernie wins the Democratic nomination she'll run as an Independent, just to derail him? You know - throw it to the Republicans, since the 1% aren't too choosy who the leader is, as long as they are bought and paid for.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
160. Hell, she can run as a Republican when tRump drops out.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:16 AM
Jan 2016

Her platform pretty much fits the mainstream GOP agenda, although the Teabillies will be pissed.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
151. She has turned into a pathetic loser. As Steven Leser so cogently observed
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 11:51 PM
Jan 2016

"Unfit to be president". She no longer even pretends to be a Dem.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
161. I'm concerned you didn't accuse the bigwigs of suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 12:01 PM
Jan 2016

I'm concerned you didn't accuse the bigwigs of suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.

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