Planned Parenthood is taking a hammering on twitter right now

[pinebox]

because they made the mistake of pushing back against Bernie and basically calling him an "establishment candidate". Things are NOT going well for Planned Parenthood. Hashtag #imsoestablishment
Ouch!!!!!!

[Dr Hobbitstein]

1. Bullying Planned Parenthood.

A fine liberal tradition. Oh, wait...

[pinebox]

4. Except is IS liberals.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

7. Well, it's people on Twitter... That's for sure.

Some of them may be liberals, but I think any liberal who would bully PP is fool-headed.

[pinebox]

8. I think any org who endorses a candidate

and gets federal funds can expect a backlash pretty hard when they choose the wrong candidate.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

9. Wrong candidate = candidate you don't like.

If PP endorsed Bernie, I doubt you'd see the same from Hillary supporters.

[pinebox]

12. However there is a difference

It's names are this;

Brownback Amdt. No. 2708
Brownback Amdt. No. 2707

[99Forever]

14. No one gives a damn what you do or don't doubt.

Endorsing a candidate before a single primary vote has been cast, was a HUGE fuck-up the PP has NEVER made before. The shit they are getting about doing it, is earned and well deserved, nor do I believe for ONE FUCKING SECOND that Hillarians wouldn't have done the same of even far worse had PP endorsed Sanders this early. Camp Weathervane has already PROVED it has absolutely no boundaries or ethics when it comes to gaming the system.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

16. .

[hobbit709]

81. different alert, same result 2-5

[99Forever]

25. Don't cry.

Just because people don't buy your silly horseshit, is no reason to break down in public.

[Mbrow]

47. results are in

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[99Forever]

48. They wanna play the game, but can't stand losing.

They're in some very sad times in the next couple of months.

[synergie]

118. And yet, they don't actually get a "pretty hard backlash", they get a bunch of

whiny people who show that their petty politics means more to them than supporting women's basic rights. This whole "abuse of PP disagreeing with your politics" thing is pretty much the hallmark of the right wing.

I think when you "backlash", abuse and quote right winger and make yourself indistinguishable from them in any shape or form, you betray the fact that you are not what you pretend to be.

They chose the candidate that they thought best supported them, anyone abusing them for it shows that they are on the wrong side of the issues. Period.

You also kinda prove that they were correct to be offended, since warring on PP seems to be something you take pride in. When you stand with the right wing and the anti-choicers you're on the wrong side of the issue.

[roguevalley]

95. extraordinary that a group does this and expects a pass. We're just

supposed to take any shit that's flung. They do stupid, they get the people's elbow. That's how it works in the real world.

[synergie]

119. Um, you're the only ones slinging shit, and the people REALLY don't like it when you abuse

PP for disagreeing with your politics.

[Fawke Em]

148. Yeah, actually smart people are wondering why PP played with women's health like this.

They could have waited until there was a nominee - or even a clear nominee - before endorsing.

What they've done is throw shit in half their supporters' faces and then expect no backlash.

This was VERY stupid of them.

[synergie]

172. No, smart people are aware that it wasn't PP that was playing with women's health,

but Bernie and his supporters with their "backlash" attempts which blew up in their faces.

What has happened here is that the shit that the hysterical Bernie folks have been throwing blew back on them, and the "backlash" kinda outed just how little the true commitment to women, and poor people and their necessary healthcare Bernie and his supporters had.

It was quite stupid of you guys, and but it seems that Bernie felt the Burn and back tracked on his comments.

[Fawke Em]

173. Stupid of us? Ha!

People's feelings were hurt so they're pulling their money. STUPID on PP's part.

I have escorted women through anti-abortion lines - this is something I fully believe in, especially when I kept having miscarriages and had to go to clinics to be cleaned out since my Catholic hospital wouldn't do it (per my Catholic nurse Grandma and Mom's instructions).

Don't tell me about my commitment.

That PP CHOSE (yes, CHOSE: CHOICE) to split the party up is their own damn fault.

Bernie didn't feel any "burn." He's always believed in women's rights and Planned Parenthood. They just don't believe in him because of crony politics.

[Warren DeMontague]

111. Im not sure you guys understand how twitter works.

Some people started a hashtag attacking Bernie Sanders on twitter over his PP comment, specifically that he (O NO!) used the phrase "Washington establishment" in response to a question as to WHY PP had endorsed Hillary and not him.

Now these people who started the hashtag are getting roundly mocked by sanders supporters also using the hashtag, because a) thats how twitter works and b) to the perennial shock and dismay of HRC supporters, there are a LOT of people who support Bernie Sanders, despite repeatedly being told they aren't allowed to.



So none of that, anywhere, is "Bernie Sanders attacking Planned Parenthood", in fact no one is attacking planned parenthood. They're attacking Hillary people. Who are cynically trying to use planned parenthood as a wedge here, because....

Obviously, Hillary cannot run on the issues.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

131. I'm not blaming Bernie for this.

Just SOME of his supporters.

[JoePhilly]

26. Or RW trolls playing at being liberals.

Which I think is a bit more likely.

[pinebox]

28. Yes that old talking point

which is usually made by people who don't use Twitter. Nope, these are libs. You may want to click the link.

[ecstatic]

63. Those attacking PP are not liberals or democrats

They're obnoxious, one-candidate voters who are also attracted to Trump. They are authoritarian types who go nuts if you don't do what they want you to...

[Bobbie Jo]

171. That's debatable. nt

[Beacool]

19. Yep, doesn't it warm the cockles of your heart?

How dare they don't march to the drumbeat of the Sanders' campaign.

They are so "Democratic". Oh wait, he wasn't one until recently, right?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

22. Well, these are the same people who were offended by

quite hillarious #BernieSoBlack

It's only OK if it's not Bernie.

[pinebox]

40. I'll raise you.........

#myabuela

Next?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

52. It's only OK if it's not about Bernie.

I get it. You don't have to prove my point.

[pinebox]

70. When you have

more baggage than Samsonite, you can expect shit to come up. Every candidate should be questions, this is the presidency after all and nobody gets an easy pass. Hillary however has a LOT of skeletons.

[Uncle Joe]

65. Who are they? Did they have a vote of their membership as in Democracy For America or Move On?

[comradebillyboy]

77. Attacking Planned Parenthood is not a good move for Sanders...n/t

[scottie55]

104. Endorsing A Candidate That Had Top Secret Information

On her unsecure server is stupid to say the least.

I hear Planned Parenthood is hiring.

If I play the game, I get $300,000 year right?

Half what the CEO makes. For what?

Planned Parenthood is part of the gravy train whether they think so or not.

Pay (paid) to play.

I am sure Richards will be rewarded for her "endorsement" someday.

Some of us are getting tired of working our fingers to the bone and not getting squat.

I am not so stupid I can't see what is going on in DC.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

133. Trey Gowdy? Is that you? nt

[SidDithers]

138. +1...nt

Sid

[Dr Hobbitstein]

144. Good to see you back, sir! nt

[HerbChestnut]

2. PP made a huge mistake by endorsing this early.

Look, I support the organization and what it does, but there was no need to endorse Hillary before a single vote has been cast alienating a growing section of the Democratic party. They really stepped in it.

[pinebox]

5. Personally

I don't understand why a org that gets federal funds should be endorsing anybody. /shrug

[synergie]

122. The political action arm doesn't receive federal funds, but hey don't let facts get in the way of

the right wing talking points.

[Eleanors38]

149. Similar to how the NRA is organized.

[libdem4life]

73. And hired the daughter to work for the Clinton Campaign...same day almost. Hmmm.

[longship]

88. Sorry, the daughter has been on board with Hillary for a long while.

And I am a Bernie supporter. Therefore, I would prefer people not make shit up.

I have no idea what that endorsement's about, however there is no truth to the claim that the daughter is recently on board with Hillary Clinton.

[roguevalley]

96. even a month is too soon on board. Hiring her at all and not disclosing

is bs.

[longship]

102. She's been on board with Hillary since August last year.

So any claim to this endorsement being connected to a recent appointment is utter, fucking rubbish.

I am a firm Bernie supporter, however I have a finely tuned bullshit detector. Any claim to connection between the daughter working for Clinton and the PP endorsement is bollocks. That is just making shit up.

[Empowerer]

158. What's the point of endorsing AFTER votes are cast?

[HerbChestnut]

159. Historically, that's what they've done.

[TM99]

3. I will say it yet again.

It was a damned short-sighted and just plain stupid move to involve PP in partisan politics in the Democratic Party.

This will impact their work and their donations. They are a health services organization first and foremost for fuck's sake. They had no business breaking a hundred year tradition of not endorsing in the primaries.

Dumb asses! Well, that is what you get when you hire a politicians daughter to run your organization and NOT, oh, I don't know, a doctor or public health admin?

[pinebox]

6. THIS!

[joshcryer]

10. "that's what you get"

I can't believe this shit.

[TM99]

13. Yes, Josh, it is natural consequences.

It was we adults attempt to learn after the age of 25 or so.

If we don't take into account all of the consequences of our actions and instead act willfully against our better judgement, then yes, we get consequences that we brought on ourselves.

[joshcryer]

98. Planned Parenthood isn't backing down...

...so continuing to attack them only bolsters their arguments. There has been zero fallout from this for Planned Parenthood. Absolutely fucking zero fallout. Bullshit internet social media points do not do shit to Planned Parenthood. (Except for providing fodder to the Republicans when they want to yet again defund them.)

Planned Parenthood is Democratic Party / left establishment, that's what Sanders meant. It did not mean somehow that Plan Parenthood "deserves" any bullshit thrown at them. Sanders "supporters" (who supposedly are the 'adults' in the room) attacking Planned Parenthood over this are completely asinine and only hurting Sanders' campaign.

Hillary Clinton got a really good dig in over this utterly stupid crap. This Planned Parenthood thing should've been dropped weeks ago.

[scottie55]

105. Half The Democratic Party

Is part of the gravy train.

Where have you been?

Time someone works for us regular folks without having to make a half million a year to do it.

[joshcryer]

107. 80% of Planned Parenthood's clients are below poverty.

You can go somewhere else with that pointless and tired talking point.

[scottie55]

112. Why Is That? Why Is Any American Below Poverty? Ever Thought About It?

Because the billionaires most politicians (I won't name names) work for suck all the money out of the economy, and hide it offshore.

AN ECONOMY FOR THE 1%
How privilege and power in the economy drive extreme
inequality and how this can be stopped


https://www.oxfam.org/sites/www.oxfam.org/files/file_attachments/bp210-economy-one-percent-tax-havens-180116-en_0.pdf

They are poor because of the reasons Bernie is fighting to change.

Strange you don't understand this.

Oh I am sure us working folks will get a crumb "your candidate" will fight for, when the oligarchs get steak, after steak, after steak like they are used to.

Wake up.

[joshcryer]

114. You wake up.

There's no conscionable reason to attack Planned Parenthood as a Sanders supporter. Sanders was not attacking them when he said they were establishment, he was explaining why he didn't get their endorsement, that's it.

[scottie55]

115. They Are Establishment

You do agree right?

They should not be endorsing anyone is my point.

Both Hillary and Bernie would fight to the death for them and their goals.

Endorsing one just candidate is stupid. Beyond stupid.

It's not like it is Hillary versus Cruz, or Trump. Heck, even Trump is pro choice.

This world needs drastic change. Hillary ain't it.

[joshcryer]

116. I don't give a shit that they endorsed anyone.

And I sure don't think that it merits them being continually attacked.

I have no problem with the establishment left. A lot of big "left establishment" unions endorsed Clinton, like the AFSCME or the AFT or the UFCW or the SEIU. That doesn't mean that they should summarily go under the bus.

The only reason that people are up in arms about Planned Parenthood's endorsement is that they broke with tradition. Oh, that's not really why, of course, it's also because there's an overt sexist element there, but I can't really go there without getting a post hidden.

[pinebox]

143. There's no sexism involved

It's this easy.

An org who gets federal funding and who has never endorsed anyone before and whose CEO's daughter is hired by the Clinton campaign suddenly endorses someone? That's why people are up in arms. Rightfully so. They smell a skunk.
No org who gets federal money should be endorsing anybody.

[Tanuki]

147. You don't seem to have any problem with the fact that Lily Adams is also the daughter

of Kirk Adams, who was a long time and high ranking SEIU official at the time she was hired. SEIU has also endorsed Clinton, but I haven't seen any vitriol or allegations of nepotism aimed at them. I haven't heard your candidate diss them as part of the "Establishment" either, for that matter. No double standard there, no sirree...

[pinebox]

154. I have an issue with anything

that screams "crony capitalism". You haven't seen anything aimed at her? I guess you missed that on twitter.

[Tanuki]

155. I'm well aware of the criticism of the LilyAdams-Planned Parenthood-Hillary Clinton connection,

much of it initially stoked by anti-choice and right wing websites and gleefully taken up by certain self-styled "progressives." What I said in my post, if you read it again, is that I have seen no such criticism of SEIU on the same grounds. Perhaps you didn't see that in my post, or simply found it inconvenient to address the inconsistency.

[pinebox]

162. What I'm saying is this

Let me re-iterate. The criticism I believe is legit.
When an org who receives federal funding has never ever endorsed anybody, who's CEO's daughter works for the Clinton campaign, suddenly decides to endorse Hillary, you may have some collusion going on. This is the sort of thing people are completely sick of. This, the DNC, The Human Rights Campaign who gave Bernie a HIGHER rating by the way and the Unions who endorsed Hillary despite Bernie walking picket lines for their members and praising them. My case in point is below.

Welcome to the perfect backlash firestorm. We see through it.

[joshcryer]

165. Oh yeah, nothing sexist about it.

I mean, after all, they're only an organization that caters to mostly low income women over reproductive and other health related issues, and the first time that they actually come out and endorse someone when it actually matters they get an onslaught of harassment.

Nothing absolutely nothing wrong with telling them that they should shut up and not say a thing or be uppity about endorsing anyone while it actually matters to their organization.

[TM99]

170. Why does it matter now so much more so than

in the last 100 years?

Does it matter more than those decades before Roe v. Wade?

No one is telling them to shut up. Get off your white horse and recognize that the criticism is valid even if you don't like it. But now pulling out the tired sexism card just shows how foolish your responses truly are.

[TM99]

126. Wow you really know how to parrot the

talking points.

You pretend to be a mind reader when Sanders NEVER spoke in vague terms never once directly mentioning PP. You know that right?

And for fuck's sake, stop conflating criticism of the actions with 'attacking'. No one is attacking PP. We are leveling well deserved criticism at them for a choice they did not have to make. For 100 years, they have NEVER endorsed in the primary. And this year they did in a very contentious and what appears to be a establishment coronation of the 'presumptive' Clinton because it is 'her turn'.

The authoritarians keep shouting stop attacking when what they really mean is, sit down, shut up, stop criticizing our actions, vote for Clinton, and accept what you get.

You know what Josh? Fuck that!

[joshcryer]

163. Oh that's too cute.

Planned Parenthood has been literally harassed for the past few weeks since their endorsement, told that they should not have endorsed anyone, and cheered by you that "that's what they get," and your bemoaning people saying that you should "sit down, shut up." What a fucking joke of epic proportions. The completely chronic inability to see how utterly hypocritical this is stuns me.

As one user here said, and I agreed with, Planned Parenthood wanted their endorsement to actually matter this time. Big. Fucking. Deal.

But no, they must only endorse after the primary, when it doesn't matter, when they are just following lock step with the nominee, etc.

What a total crock of shit. I really don't care about this endorsement. But I damn sure know that the overblown hateful reaction is going to turn off a lot of people to Sanders.

[TM99]

169. So I see that your opinion is so much

more important than ours?

You think they needed to do it now. You give zero justification for why? We argue that they didn't. We give ample justification for ours including seeing 'what they got' from doing it.

For fucks sakes Josh, PP has not been hurt. Some of us are criticizing their actions. Some of us started donating elsewhere. The real money is still flowing. We are allowed as adults in a free society to criticize the actions of others.

And no Josh, you continue to be wrong. Sanders support grows every time shit like this happens. And every time Clinton trots out racists like Brock and floats anti-Semitic articles accusing Sanders of lying about his kibbutz experience, her support lessens.

Now that is what is cute!

[Dems2002]

146. Zero fallout?

I'm a woman and a PP supporter. I cut them off after their endorsement of Clinton. It was a bad move on their part. Now, had the other candidates in the race been anti-choice there would have been a strong, mission driven reason to endorse.

Absent that, they endorsed a candidate and subsequently pissed off SUPPORTERS who like the other guy. And the other guy supports them and their issues. Endorsing Hillary or bernie in the general election makes fine sense because the opponent is likely to oppose them and their mission. But PP as an organization had no dog in this primary fight. Which is even more true for human rights campaign.

PP has never endorsed in the dem primary before. For good reasons. Why'd they do so now? Because Hillary is trying to showcase her bonafides and got her friends to help her.

Their claims not to be establishment are amusing. I'm sure they are honestly offended. But these tactics epitomize the establishment practice.

[Fawke Em]

150. Why is this so hard for Hillary supporters to understand?

Bernie supporters aren't attacking what Planned Parenthood does for poor women, we're questioning their reasoning and wondering if that poor reasoning is used when making other decisions.

Why would you PURPOSELY piss off HALF of your support base for no reason? That makes absolutely no sense.

All they had to do was wait a few months to see who the nominee would be and endorse then.

[joshcryer]

166. It was not poor reasoning.

It was calculated and it has resulted in zero negative repercussions for them as an organization.

They simply wanted to endorse when it actually mattered rather than waiting until after the primaries were fully over when their endorsement would just be a gesture. (As if they'd ever endorse a Republican candidate.)

Planned Parenthood workers go 20:1 for Clinton over any other candidate. Their endorsement is truly uncontroversial.

[joshcryer]

164. Yeah, no fallout.

If there was fallout they would be backtracking.

They elect Democrats and donate to campaigns (Clinton gets more donations from Planned Parenthood workers than anyone else, by like 20x as much), that makes them part of the establishment left. The Democratic establishment.

That does not make them political establishment, since the political landscape has been stomping on them forever, and is against everything they stand for.

[OilemFirchen]

20. You're in good company. (n/t)

[Number23]

54. This whole thread is astonishing. PP actually "deserves" to be trashed because they made the

"mistake" of endorsing a candidate that they thought would best further their goals.

And from folks that scream the loudest up and down this web site about how "liberal" they are.

[Andy823]

59. Yep

But you can bet your last dollar that if PP had endorsed Bernie, well that would have been "the right thing to do". Sometimes the crap I read here just makes no sense at all, and this thread is full of crap that makes no sense.

[Number23]

61. Oh you know that.

If they'd endorsed Sanders, they'd be principled warriors in the fight against injustice. Instead, they are just part of the "establishment" that Sanders and his team want to dismantle.

I haven't even seen the HRC endorsement yet but I'm sure they gave more than adequate reasons for their endorsement. Just like PP did and John Lewis and lot of other minority and minority-focused groups and individuals have. And as usual, those reasons -- no matter how impassioned and articulate get thrown in the dump because they weren't for the right guy.

There is some truly sick shit going on around here. And the fact that Sanders actually seems to be sort of participating in this is fairly breathtaking.

[scottie55]

108. What's Breathtaking

Is the fact that I am supposed to work harder for less every single damn day.

"The Establishment" is what is demanding I work harder for less, so their owners can stash more in their offshore accounts.

Open your eyes folks.

When someone making minimum wage (not me) pays more of their "total income" in taxes than a hedge fund manager making a billion dollars a year, something has to give.

Get on the bus.

That goes for you PP.

Ever single year women are hurt more, as our owners own more and more Democrats and Republicans.

Just look at what is happening with our right wing state legislatures.

It is almost coat hanger only time.

This is our last chance.

Don't blow it.

PP should be supporting change, not the status quo candidate. The status quo is destroying women't lives every day.

[Number23]

152. PP can support whoever the bleeding hell they want to

And all of the feigned outrage over "coat hangers" when you guys are so quick and able to dismiss and defund this important and entirely worthy organization just because they didn't endorse your guy is sickening.

[scottie55]

156. I Never Dismissed, Or Tried To Defund Anyone

I just think they should stay out of it, since they are (partially) government funded.

Automatic conflict of interest. Thus establishment.

Simple.

[Number23]

157. You and your crew would not be nearly so insistent that PP and other orgs "stay out of it" if

they'd endorsed Sanders. And please believe that you, I and the entire Internet knows it.

[joshcryer]

101. "liberal" my ass.

Much less "left" or even "progressive."

[Starry Messenger]

55. You *can't* believe it?

It's pretty predictable at this point.

[joshcryer]

99. I thought Sanders "supporters" would learn...

...that this is not the kind of shit you want to encourage.

[synergie]

121. Given that they seem to be infected with Clinton AND Obama Derangment disorder, learning is

not to be expected until the foaming at the mouth portion of their illness passes.

[TM99]

132. Wow!

So we collectively suffer from a mental disorder and are sick huh?

Classy dude, real classy!

[TheBlackAdder]

134. Jury Results w/funny comments

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[emulatorloo]

67. It is happening over and over and over

[kath]

15. Well, they lost my monthly donation - now sending that amount plus some extra to Bernie's campaign

each month.

Stupid, stupid, stupid move to make that endorsement now. And now compounding that error by going after Bernie. Jeebus.

[TM99]

17. In our house, we give to other organizations

that are less political and partisan.

[liberal_at_heart]

64. +1

[Beacool]

18. Only Sanders' supporters, other than conservatives, would chortle about

PP "taking a hammering".

I guess one-upmanship is more important than the cause they represent.

How progressive..........

[OilemFirchen]

23. I was remonstrated recently for believing that progressives were, by nature, pro-choice.

Appropriately so, I guess. Now I have proof.

[iandhr]

24. Took the words right out of my mouth.

[sufrommich]

27. This. nt

[pinebox]

30. How progressive?

Says the person who supports a candidate who can't back universal health care, free college or a living wage? Got it.
Meanwhile.....Brownbeck amendments anyone?

[Beacool]

32. Don't oversimplify the issues.

Sanders can scold and point the finger until he's blue in the face. It still doesn't mean that any of his proposals would pass through Congress.

[pinebox]

33. Because Hillary's would?

Magic wand scenario again? Ok.

[scottie55]

113. They Will If The 30,000,000

Thirty Million people turn out to vote for someone who is not selling them down the river.

Every wonder why so many people don't vote?

Because they don't believe in anyone.

Now they have someone.

Anything is possible.

[Beacool]

151. You are all assuming too much.

You are all also assuming that what you want is what others want too. What makes you guys think that, even if Sanders were to become president, that it would start a revolution? For example, electing Obama brought out the bigots and racists. There is no indication that race relations have improved since he became president. By the same token, electing Sanders would not be indicative that a revolution would be in the making. A Sanders presidency would bring the RW out in full force.

[pinebox]

167. What makes us think Bernie would "start"a revolution

The Revolution started long ago. This is what it looks like.

Republican Senator Says He’ll Support Bernie Sanders If Ted Cruz Wins The GOP Nomination
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/01/21/republican-senator-support-bernie-sanders-ted-cruz-wins-gop-nomination.html

[OilemFirchen]

37. Or edible unicorn poop.

In every pot, BTW.

[Dawson Leery]

35. Bernie and Trump supporters are bullies.

They want to destroy the entire system.

[Beacool]

38. That's why, when the chips are down, neither one will be the nominee.

[Dawson Leery]

51. Most likely neither will be President.

[comradebillyboy]

78. I think Trump has a pretty good chance of being the nominee

Bernie, not such a good chance. At the moment Bernie leads in only one of 50 states.

[Beacool]

85. Yes, unfortunately for the Republicans, Trump has a better chance of being their nominee

than Sanders has of being the Democratic nominee. Of course anything can happen, we'll just have to wait and see.

[Agschmid]

125. I think NH independents may yet surprise us...

Lots are voting in the NH republican primary, and are voting "against" Trump. If the organize and all vote for one person you could see someone come out a strong tie, or a surprising lead. Kasich is the one they seem to be voting for as I talk to them... It's going to be interesting that for sure.

[iandhr]

21. The fact that Bernie's campaign decided to pick a fight with PP...

... is tacitly stupid.


It would have been in his interest to say something like "while I am disappointed not to receive the endorsement of PP I have been a life long supporter of a woman's right to choose and will continue to fight for reproductive choice should I be elected POTUS."

[Beacool]

41. Exactly, a little bit of class would have gone a long way.

But that's not how revolutionaries think. They are so convinced that their way is the only way that they see their opponents as enemies.

[comradebillyboy]

46. Bernie needs more than white men to win. My wife tells me PP is very

popular with women and she is pissed at Bernie.

[riversedge]

117. Nicely said.

[Blue_Tires]

29. Quick question

Why are the Sanders fans so eager to start wars against their own people? Aren't you all trying to WIN people to your side??

https://twitter.com/stylistkavin/status/689933765666181120

[pinebox]

31. Simple

Because many of us are sick of the establishment.
Case in point...

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2016/jan/20/debbie-wasserman-schultz/democratic-debates-maximize-exposure-debbie-wasser/

[Blue_Tires]

39. But you *are* the goddamned establishment

as am I and Sanders and everyone else on DU...

And while you may be sick of the "establishment" the BLUF is anti-establishment fervor isn't going to sweep Sanders into the White House... But VOTES will, and some of these antics are going to turn people off sooner or later...

[pinebox]

42. I am ?

I'm an indy lib

[Beacool]

34. Because, like their candidate, it's either their way or the highway.

No room for compromise or pragmatism. They are apparently sore losers too, I don't recall that much of a poutage from Hillary's folks when MoveOn endorsed Sanders. Personally, I couldn't care less who MO endorsed.

[gwheezie]

36. Why attack PP?

Some Bernie supporters ™ are never happy. 1st they claim endorsements don't mean anything, then they attack someone else's endorsement.

[tishaLA]

49. I honestly don't understand it

He went on Rachel Maddow last night, called Planned Parenthood and the Human Rights Campaign (which he referred to as the Human Rights Fund) "establishment" organizations; PP took exception to being called "establishment," particularly when they are fighting for their lives, and the lives of women, in this political atmosphere, and PP is the bad guy?

Look, I'm fine with the criticism of HRC--I have hated them a long time--and one can make criticisms of PP, too. But to my mind, this seems like a case of Sen Sanders misspeaking by calling them "establishment" (for whatever reason). If I were with his campaign, I'd just own up to it and say I didn't intend to disparage PP and I totally support them even though they made a mistake endorsing Secretary Clinton....and move on. Done.

Instead, we have people happily trumpeting the fact that people on twitter have their 140 character knives out for them. Makes zero sense.

[gwheezie]

50. Pp is crucial to women's healthcare

I agree with you. All Bernie had to say about it is I support pp and reproductive rights, please ignore some Bernie supporters™ on twitter.

[Number23]

57. They "happily trumpeted" when Hillary's Facebook page was trashed because the Sanders campaign

stole her data too. Bizarro has nothing on these folks.

[tishaLA]

58. It's Sherman's March

in electoral form. And I don't even dislike Sen Sanders....but this is a misstep, squaring off against PP. And honestly the idea that people are celebrating this kind of scorched earth nastiness pisses me off.

[Thenewire]

76. Sanders and his supporters

Are just as misguided as Trumps. There is no way to rationalize all their demands and how destructive they are being against the only structure that prevents us from succumbing to full right wing fascism.

[jeff47]

89. When you are fighting for your life,

alienating a large group of supporters by breaking your 100-year-old don't endorse rule is not a good move.

Doubly so when the person you endorse has not actually done anything to advance your cause. The best she has done is kinda hold the line.

I do not think attacking Planned Parenthood is a good idea. But this endorsement was also not a good idea.

[tishaLA]

91. I don't know that I disagree with your post at all

I've been pretty much agnostic on the idea of their endorsement, to be honest. You may be right. Unfortunately, the voices against it have generally provided more heat than light IMO

[synergie]

120. They didn't break any such rule, and the person they endorsed, actually has done a great

deal to advance their cause, and they spelled out how in their explanation, Bernie is the one who held the line.

Attacking PP when you're aware they are in a fight for women's rights kinda shows that you're not so much about advancing their cause and doing so by using Anti-choice talking points as many Bernie supporters are doing, shows that they don't much care about the line at all.

[jeff47]

145. Their explanation failed to list any ways she actually advanced their cause.

Where's the increased funding for women's health care? Where's the increased access for abortion? Where's the bill to stop TRAP laws? Where is anything beyond "She said good things about us, and didn't directly go after us"?

Attacking PP when you're aware they are in a fight for women's rights kinda shows that you're not so much about advancing their cause

We are all required to support whatever Planned Parenthood says and does, no matter what!! We are not ever allowed to ever utter the phrase "That's not a good idea", for it is a horrible attack on women everywhere!!!!!!


Oh, and if you actually bothered to read my post, you'd actually find the part where I did not think the attacks were good. But hey, why let that get in the way when you've got a good meme going?

[Luminous Animal]

43. Why do you think this is a good thing?

[pinebox]

45. Where did I say it was?

[Cali_Democrat]

94. Planned Parenthood is now feeling the Bern.

Can Ya feel it?

It's the Bern, baby.

[synergie]

123. PP is where one goes when one has issues with feeling burning sensations, perhaps you should

visit and learn why attacking them and the work they do is not really what one does when one claims to be liberal, care about women's basic health or poor people?

[restorefreedom]

44. organizations such as this that receive fed funds should not be endorsing anyone

especially when all three dem candidates have excellent records in this area. no need to get involved before the nom is decided by the PEOPLE.

[dsc]

53. How dare those uppity women criticize the almighty Sanders

[Metric System]

56. Don't worry, the Bernie Bros (and the women who love them) will put them in their place!

[Motown_Johnny]

62. Many of the tweets are from women. I guess you are trying to play the gender card on them too?

Last edited Thu Jan 21, 2016, 12:57 AM - Edit history (1)

At least go look at the page first.


Your post is embarrassing.

[msanthrope]

74. Who is this "woman?" nt

[Motown_Johnny]

75. Women

Sorry. Typo

[Renew Deal]

129. How do you know?

What percentage is many?

[Motown_Johnny]

135. Visit the page and see for yourself. n/t

[Renew Deal]

141. It's OK to admit you don't know.

[Motown_Johnny]

142. I know, but any statement I make will be attacked.

It is ok to actually collect information for yourself too.

I even made a post on that site myself while looking at it last night. Most are pretty funny. I tried to take the same approach, but I must admit it is not as good as most of them are.

Go ahead. Look at the page. Learn something for yourself. You will survive. I promise.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/imsoestablishment?f=tweets&vertical=default&src=tren



And if you don't, well.... how will you call me out on breaking my promise? You don't have a heart condition, do you? I would't want the shock of women posting negative attacks about your hero to actually do you in.

[TM99]

66. Boom!

I love when the gender card is played when you can't argue the actual merits.

[Metric System]

60. Milk screen writer Dustin Lance Black responds to the Bernie brigade:

"So now #ImSoEstablishment because I work each day for equal rights and a clearer understanding of LGBTQ people in our world? #StandWithHRC"

[Dawson Leery]

68. The anger coming from the far sides of the aisles is quite ugly.

[pinebox]

71. Far sides of the aisle?

You mean like the far side of the aisle that has most American's agreeing with Bernie? Ohhhh that. http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/03/polls-americans-socialists-bernie-sanders.html

[Thenewire]

79. This is absolutely crazy

This belief that somehow Sanders can be elected is asinine. He has no bearing on the realities of government. How delusional he must be to openly insult the only organization that could help him achieve his goals. This is what I conclude from Sanders and his supporters, they favor upheaval and chaos under the false pretense that they can somehow reform the system. This is not a time for that, it could not be any clearer the dangerous waters you tread when the right wingers are facing the exact same problem except that they will eventually fall behind the fascist aristocrat.

[Armstead]

82. I'd say it's Clinton and her allies that are forcing upheaval

They had no need to make divisive endorsements in a primary where all candidates support their positions and mission.

And. This is not the time for reform? What better time is there?....Oh that's right. never.

[Thenewire]

83. The time is when there are better candidates running.

And the republicans have absolutely no chance of winning.

[Armstead]

86. That is always the reason....been hearing it for 35 years

Somehow the true liberal candidates are always judged inferior by the Democratic establishment. And the GOP are always all-powerful and can never be challenged on substance.

And in case you hadn't noticed, the GOP are imploding at the moment. More fractured than they've been in a long time.

[Kentonio]

97. We don't need a better candidate, and the Republicans have less chance than they've ever had.

[pinebox]

92. It's asinine Sanders can be elected?

Yell us again please because we can't hear you XD
It's not a time to change the system? Wrong. The middle class in this country has been royally screwed by the establishment and conservative Dems. The time IS now. The time for the people!

[Onlooker]

69. Attacks on Plaanned Parentood are a bad idea

They are a wonderful organization that works in the trenches helping people. If Sanders supporters turn against Planned Parenthood, I will no longer be a Sanders supporter, and I know I'm not alone. So, lay off Planned Parenthood.

[pinebox]

72. Ask yourself

Why this is happening. Analyze the issue. Start here http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251986325

[Kentonio]

100. I'll never turn against the people working for PP or the cause.

I can understand why people are irritated though at Cecile getting involved in party politics. Once you enter that fight you can't really sit back and look astounded when people react. I'd be amazed if Bernie is in any way attacking the work they do, as he's been a huge supporter of theirs and will doubtless continue to be after the dust is settled. I took his 'establishment' comment as purely a dig at the rich Washington circles who endorse their friends regardless of the issues.

[vorgan24]

84. Republicans are jumping for joy right now.

With as much as they hate PP and how the organization stands up for womens rights, the Right is crying tears of joy to see so many supposed 'democrats' attacking the organization.

Truly, these attacks against PP are a step BACK in the fight for womens equality.

[pinebox]

93. It has nothing to do with womens equality

It has everything to do with corruption. I personally don't have any problem with WHAT PP does for women, I do have a problem that their CEO's daughter happens to work for the Clinton campaign and they are a organization that gets federal money who endorsed a candidate.
That is what people's problem is with this.

See this thread here http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251986325

THAT is partly what this is all about. PP chose this path, they should have expected a political backlash from liberals.

[TexasBushwhacker]

87. They never endorsed any other Democrats

even though Democrats ALWAYS support Planned Parenthood. I don't know why they decided to endorse anyone this time. All I can figure is that HRC asked for their endorsement and they didn't want to piss her off.

[TDale313]

110. Actually, they've endorsed in the General. Never when the primaries were still contested.

It was a bad move. One they could ill afford at this time. And it makes me sad cause they do incredibly important work and this hurts their image among many natural allies.

[uponit7771]

90. This is why the dogmatic will lose, they're the either with us or again us crowd

[Beacool]

109. "Dogmatic".

My same description for him. It's either his way or the highway. Ditto for his supporters. Thank you.

[underthematrix]

103. Planned Parenthood is getting the REAL BERN treatment

but I love PP for endorsing the smartest, most educated, MOST qualified candidate. Thank you PP and #ImWithHer

[underthematrix]

124. Have a nice trip

[NCTraveler]

127. We have been taking a pounding...

From the extreme right for a long time. They foment hate that leads to oppression and death. This isn't anything new other than some additional people now feel more emboldened to let their true colors show.

Progressives will fight back against this just as we always have. Fuck every one of these right wing pieces of shit attacking PP.

[Renew Deal]

128. Yes, intimidation is a tactic of the Sanders campaign

This is the second intimidation story posted today so far.

[Vinca]

130. I listened to Bernie's statement again and he's the one who should be upset.

They derided him by not supporting him, he did not do the same. There is no shame in being called "establishment." Would anyone consider PP an "outsider" organization? I don't think so. The fact is, Bernie has supported these people for decades and they just spit in his face - not by opting to endorse Hillary, but by creating a faux issue about Bernie's treatment of them. This is the part of campaigns I hate and Hillary is repeating the same mistakes she made in 2008 when she kept trying to create controversy out of nothing. I used to view her fairly favorably, but she's pushed me to the other side of the fence and now I really hope she loses.

[JTFrog]

136. Fuck anyone who thinks it's ok to trash Planned Parenthood on DU.

This new Lord of Flies rule system on DU is disgusting. And dangerous. Attacking an organization that has helped millions of poor women over the years is fucking pathetic. DU has gone over to the dark side.

[sufrommich]

137. It's not just DU,Sanders supporters are attacking PP all

over the internet. And,yeah,fuck anyone who plays along with this shit.

[JTFrog]

139. Beyond disgusting.

So fucking pathetic. When you go so far fucking "left" that you are embracing the right wing and their hatred, then you've jumped the fucking shark and it's gonna bite you in the ass.

Unfortunately thousands of poor women will not get help because you have assholes on the right making up videos and lies and asshole on the "left" trashing and withholding donations and encouraging others to do the same.

And the OP just got back from vacation for all the right wing shit he's brought to DU. Fuck that noise.

[JTFrog]

140. This nasty shit barely survived a jury and it's disgusting that it did.

On Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:45 AM you sent an alert on the following post:

Planned Parenthood is taking a hammering on twitter right now
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511037439

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

Celebrating anything against Planned Parenthood on DU is so fucking disgusting. Admins, please take a look at this.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:01 AM, and voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: It's getting weird. There's a related thread gloating about how Bernie is making "the Dems" nervous. Hundreds of recs. "The Dems"? As in, the other team? Enough RW trollery already.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Planned Parenthood is a valuable ally in our party's fight for not only reproductive rights, but women's rights, women's health, health education and, indeed the health of our nation. They have been the target of unfair and slanderous attacks from the anti-choice movement. They deserve our support. However, by choosing not just to intervene in a Democratic Party primary between two staunch pro-choice/pro-women candidates, but to also actively participate in a cutthroat style of political campaigning, they have consented to criticism of their actions from even their staunchest supporters.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given


And to Juror number 6, Give me a fucking break: "but to also actively participate in a cutthroat style of political campaigning, they have consented to criticism of their actions from even their staunchest supporters."

FUCK. THAT. NOISE.

[taught_me_patience]

153. I'm glad it did

Brings the nastiness out into the open. This thread is a real eye opener... Bernie supporters showing their true colors.

[JI7]

160. fucking internet warrior douchebags

cheering on attacks on planned parenthood. fuck them.

[wildeyed]

174. Yep.

People at PP are getting shot at with actual guns. As someone so succinctly put it:

@BernieSanders We're dodging bullets at Planned Parenthood down here in the Springs. Thanks for the support, jerk. #ImSoEstablishment

[Attorney in Texas]

161. A great organization horribly mismanaged. Planned Parenthood is the next ACORN.

[JTFrog]

168. Fuck. That. Noise.

Sanders is trying to walk that bullshit back. Maybe some DUers should follow suit.

The attacks on PP here are so beyond the pale that I can't imagine anyone who is doing so is actually a Democrat, liberal, progressive or a Sanders supporter.