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Hillary will suspend her camaign before super Tuesday (Original Post) Lawud Jan 2016 OP
That will only happen if someone else is getting in. Renew Deal Jan 2016 #1
Every day they are going down Lawud Jan 2016 #11
Here ya go.... MADem Jan 2016 #2
She will make another play for the Super-delegates to hand it to her. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #3
Super Delegates are only relevant if the race is relatively close... brooklynite Jan 2016 #10
There is no way that Bernie can be that far ahead before Super Tuesday. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #13
Hillary Clinton has spent the last eight years CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #37
More than 8 years. I would think 10 at least. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #38
This Hillary's last chance and she has wanted this for 23 years. INdemo Jan 2016 #41
So you want Trump to win? Thenewire Jan 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author notadmblnd Jan 2016 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author OilemFirchen Jan 2016 #29
I'm sorry, I thought you were the OP. notadmblnd Jan 2016 #32
So by your thinking artislife Jan 2016 #14
No, with Clinton we are seeing the same delusional rhetoric that the right wingers use. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #16
I'm no fan of HRC, but I think that is a stretch. notadmblnd Jan 2016 #5
No way. If she's going down, she'll go down swinging Jarqui Jan 2016 #6
You'll be cashing in on this, right? brooklynite Jan 2016 #7
All of them Lawud Jan 2016 #17
That's ridiculous. He'll win Vermont. MineralMan Jan 2016 #23
New Poll Shows ‘Surging’ Sanders Losing Ground With the Voter Group He Needs Most Gothmog Jan 2016 #24
A 10% loss with each minority group is a bad sign. Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #31
Sanders has been primarily focused on CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #40
Maybe he needs to take a page out of the Clinton book d_legendary1 Jan 2016 #42
I was just reminiscing artislife Jan 2016 #25
Not a flood Lawud Jan 2016 #27
Sound the alarm! artislife Jan 2016 #34
you could try the 'religion' RW tactic and try to 'pray her away'. Sunlei Jan 2016 #8
A lot of good territory is up for Clinton on Super Tuesday KingFlorez Jan 2016 #12
I'm not sure, but I will say this - her heart doesn't seem as in it as closeupready Jan 2016 #15
Nah, she'll be in it until the end because... Ino Jan 2016 #18
vile. Hiraeth Jan 2016 #36
... SidDithers Jan 2016 #19
Then again, you might be right KingFlorez Jan 2016 #20
No. She will not do that. MineralMan Jan 2016 #21
If you really believe this, go open an Irish brokerage account Gothmog Jan 2016 #22
LOL. Welcome to DU. n/t livetohike Jan 2016 #26
... sufrommich Jan 2016 #28
Nope. She'll be that first bite of a hot mozzarella cheese stick. nt nc4bo Jan 2016 #30
That's been my expectation as well. ieoeja Jan 2016 #43
No. Not until at least after Super Tuesday. SheilaT Jan 2016 #33
Your cute. Lochloosa Jan 2016 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #39
 

Lawud

(70 posts)
11. Every day they are going down
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:02 PM
Jan 2016

Once she loses next month they will go down even more.

She will not stay in knowing it will be a repeat of 2008

Her ego can't handle it anymore . She will retire from politics and endorse Bernie at the convention .

She has plenty of things to be proud of in her life and her career and maybe some not so proud but
she will realize it's not going to happen . She will not be President of the United States.

I wish her well

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
3. She will make another play for the Super-delegates to hand it to her.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 01:57 PM
Jan 2016

She will take it all the way to the convention no matter the numbers. She is convinced of her own inevitability and nothing in the universe will change that.

Unless she is deathly ill (and I do not wish that on her) and maybe even then, she will not stop trying.


 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
10. Super Delegates are only relevant if the race is relatively close...
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:02 PM
Jan 2016

...in which case this whole OP is a meaningless waste of time.

(actually, it's a meaningless waste of time anyway).

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
13. There is no way that Bernie can be that far ahead before Super Tuesday.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jan 2016

I still say she will take it all the way to the convention no matter what.


CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
37. Hillary Clinton has spent the last eight years
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jan 2016

believing with every fiber of her being that she will be the Democratic nominee and then the next President. Eight, long years.

She had to take the SOS job to keep herself relevant and to boost her Presidential bona fides, but that's not the job she wanted. But she did it because she banked on the Democratic nomination being a cakewalk.

Eight years is a long time to spend believing that you're headed in one direction that has only one certain outcome.

Yikes!

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
38. More than 8 years. I would think 10 at least.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:33 PM
Jan 2016

Of course she was wrong the first time and had to reset that clock.

I do agree with you though, and it is why I think she will take it to the convention no matter what.



INdemo

(7,024 posts)
41. This Hillary's last chance and she has wanted this for 23 years.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:50 PM
Jan 2016

She will stop at nothing to be the nominee.I put the Hillary's campaign in the same class as the George W. Bush campaign of 2000 and 2004 with the win it or steal it attitude.
I mean nothing including cheating or stealing.Forget the convention rules Hillary thinks she in the annotated one and Bill admitted yesterday in NH. Hillary was not prepared for a primary fight and was not expecting it.
The campaign is not well organized obviously because Bernie Sander's momentum has taken her by complete surprise.
When Hillary uses former GOP advisers,when she uses crooks that should be in jail and the guy that assisted her in the insider trading in the 90's as her financial adviser* you know she is all in.


She is the first Democrat to run in a primary to use Republican tactics. Her advisers ,her segregates,and her supporters are the first to use Republican talking points to promote a so called Democratic candidate.

Would Hillary turn around and run as an Independent?...of course she would if she loses.

*Gary Gensler was the president of the Commodities Exchange when Hillary made Thousands (overnight)

Thenewire

(130 posts)
4. So you want Trump to win?
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 01:58 PM
Jan 2016

With Sanders we are seeing on the left the same delusional rhetoric that the right winger who support Trump are using.

Response to Thenewire (Reply #4)

Response to notadmblnd (Reply #9)

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
14. So by your thinking
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:06 PM
Jan 2016

That Trump and Sanders are on the same level, how is it you can see Trump winning but not Sanders? We have more cross over appeal.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
16. No, with Clinton we are seeing the same delusional rhetoric that the right wingers use.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:07 PM
Jan 2016

Who is telling you we can't improve our health care system and that you should be afraid of losing what you now have?

Who is telling you that big corporations and super pacs financing their campaigns won't influence their policies?

Who is telling you that we need to be tougher abroad and even have a no fly zone in Syria?


Crazy Right Wingers? At this point in the campaign, that is all Clinton.










Jarqui

(10,860 posts)
6. No way. If she's going down, she'll go down swinging
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:00 PM
Jan 2016

to the bitter end - like she with with Obama - long past the time when there was any realistic chance.

If they indict her and arrest her, she'd probably be campaigning from a jail cell.

There's characteristics in Hillary one might want to improve but I don't think quit is in her vocabulary.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
7. You'll be cashing in on this, right?
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:00 PM
Jan 2016

You could be making good money in the prediction money.

Speaking of which, in the unlikely event that Clinton DOESN'T drop out, which of the following Super Tuesday States will Sanders win?

Alabama
American Samoa
Arkansas
Colorado
Georgia
Massachusetts
Minnesota
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Texas
Vermont
Virginia

Tell you what: I'll give you Vermont.

Gothmog

(176,746 posts)
24. New Poll Shows ‘Surging’ Sanders Losing Ground With the Voter Group He Needs Most
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:12 PM
Jan 2016

And Sanders is still not polling well with African American or Latino voters and so maybe he needs to change what he is doing http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/poll-sanders-gains-stop-short-of-minorities.html#


Team Sanders is certainly focused on the problem, with a variety of campaign efforts focused on minority voters in the works. The talking points they are putting out there, however, are less than convincing, as I learned as a guest on the public radio show "To the Point" yesterday, when I heard a Sanders supporter argue that an Iowa win would greatly boost Bernie's African-American support just like it did for Obama in South Carolina in 2008. The idea that Sanders's potential to win the black vote in South Carolina is analogous to that of the first African-American president does not pass the laugh test. Still, any early-state win for Sanders, even in exceptionally honkified Iowa and New Hampshire, will likely create some sort of generalized bounce. The question is how high, and how loyal minority voters prove to be to Hillary Clinton, her husband, and her implicit ally Barack Obama. It's worth remembering that she defeated Barack Obama handily among Latinos in 2008, and that Bill Clinton enjoyed robust support in both communities.

Monmouth University has a new national poll out that casts some fascinating, if very preliminary, light on this subject. Compared to its poll in December, Monmouth shows Sanders making pretty big gains: Clinton was up 59-to-26 last month, and only 52-to-37 now. But among black and Latino voters, Clinton has actually expanded her lead from 61-to-18 to 71-to-21. In other words, a legitimate "Sanders surge" nationally has coincided with a deterioration of his standing with the voters he will most need for a breakthrough after the first two contests of the primary season.

Sanders is actually losing ground with African American voters and Sanders' current tactics are not evidently working.

Sanders will not be the nominee unless he can expand his base of supporters. Super Tuesday will be a long day for Sanders. Vermont is one of the last states with 90+% white voting populations

Dawson Leery

(19,548 posts)
31. A 10% loss with each minority group is a bad sign.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:21 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie is now nationally known. His campaign has a specific demographic.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
40. Sanders has been primarily focused on
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jan 2016

Iowa and NH primary voters, who are mainly white voters.

Like the rest of the country (except for IA and NH), African Americans and Hispanics are still being introduced to Sanders.

Just like IA and NH--where Sanders has surged and is popular--populations in other states and also minority communities will learn more about Bernie. When his campaign rolls into these states and also in states with higher minority populations--Sanders will win them over too.

The states where Sanders campaigns will fall like dominoes into the Sanders camp.

It's happening in Iowa and NH right now. He started out at 4 percent in Iowa and 20 percent in NH. Look where he is now.

No reason the same won't happen in many other states and also with the minority populations in those states.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
42. Maybe he needs to take a page out of the Clinton book
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:50 PM
Jan 2016

Put Rosa parks in his logo and tell latinos that he's their abuelo. That certainly worked well for HRC.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
25. I was just reminiscing
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:14 PM
Jan 2016

How back in the spring you thought Bernie couldn't get traction without PAC money.

Oh, on topic..Bernie looks good to send crushing blows to H's inevitability in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada. Momentum can be a flood.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
12. A lot of good territory is up for Clinton on Super Tuesday
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jan 2016

So the odds of her dropping out before then are beyond low.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
15. I'm not sure, but I will say this - her heart doesn't seem as in it as
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:07 PM
Jan 2016

it was last time. I think perhaps her new status as a grandmother might have short-circuited some of her ambition. She may well decide that she'd rather spend her years being a doting gramma rather than putting herself through the grind that (likely) is 1600 PA Ave.

I do not support her campaign, but I like her, and I wish her nothing but good things; suspending her campaign would probably be a better way for her. I mean, if that were me (and it's not!).

She has to do what she has to do.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
18. Nah, she'll be in it until the end because...
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:07 PM
Jan 2016

"We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California"

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
20. Then again, you might be right
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:09 PM
Jan 2016

I've never heard of a "camaign", but whatever it is, it's possible that Clinton could suspend it before Super Tuesday.

Gothmog

(176,746 posts)
22. If you really believe this, go open an Irish brokerage account
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:10 PM
Jan 2016

You can make a great deal of money selling an option contract based on this position

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
43. That's been my expectation as well.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 04:23 PM
Jan 2016

Losing Iowa and New Hampshire will make people start thinking, and the media start talking, that she is a non-viable candidate incapable of winning a national election. Local media will remind folks in Nevada about her voter suppression efforts in 2008.

Even if she could win the popular vote in Nevada she would still lose the delegate count again because Nevada awards delegates by county. Most counties are rural, and she relies on a suburban/urban coalition. Hell, her best attack on Sanders is on firearms which is a suicide campaign in rural regions.

After a 0-3 start makes her look even more non-viable and local media in South Carolina replay the racist highlights of her 2008 campaign, voters will be looking for alternatives.

By that point she will have already ginned up her campaign in the Super Tuesday states. She still has name recognition and a bigger warchest. So she won't quit until Super Tuesday to see if that turns things around.

Even though by this point she will have been nicknamed "Kucinich version 2016".

If Super Tuesday is a blow out, then I expect she will hang it up.


 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
33. No. Not until at least after Super Tuesday.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:22 PM
Jan 2016

There If she were to actually lose every single one of those states by huge margins, she might suspend immediately after, but this race is going to remain close for somewhat longer.

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