Here It Comes !!! - 'Hillary Clinton Unloads On Bernie Sanders' - CNN

[WillyT]

Hillary Clinton unloads on Bernie Sanders
By Jeff Zeleny and Dan Merica, CNN
Updated 2:33 PM ET, Thu January 21, 2016

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Indianola, Iowa (CNN)—Hillary Clinton delivered a blistering assessment of Bernie Sanders' credentials here on Thursday and implored Iowa voters to scrutinize his policies and readiness for the White House, declaring, "Theory isn't enough. A President has to deliver in reality."

It was the most forceful and direct contrast Clinton has drawn with Sanders yet, a speech that underscored the increasing urgency and acrimony of the race. From health care to foreign policy, Clinton repeatedly referenced Sanders by name and questioned whether his ideas could ever become reality.

"I am not interested in ideas that sound good on paper but will never make it in the real world," Clinton said. "I care about making a real difference in your life and that gets to the choice you have to make in this caucus."

Clinton acknowledged that while she and Sanders "share many of the same goals" they have "different records and different ideas on how to drive progress."

The former secretary of state used a Teleprompter to deliver her remarks to hundreds of supporters on the campus of Simpson College. The speech, one adviser said, was designed to "shake some sense into Iowans" and escalate the experience argument she has been making against Sanders with limited success.

"Senator Sanders doesn't talk much about foreign policy, but when he does it raises concerns," Clinton said. "Sometimes it can sound like he really hasn't thought it through."

Clinton's campaign had multiple cameras here and plan to turn part of the speech into an ad, according to aides.

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More (w/Video): http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-foreign-policy/

[cali]

1. She is a piece of work.

How condescending can her sleazy campaign be? Shake some sense into Iowans? Fuck that noise.

[WillyT]

8. I Love.... "shake some sense into Iowans" From One Of Her Advisors...

And that I believe has always been one of her major problems... her advisors.

[arcane1]

14. Yes, questioning the intelligence of people in order to win their vote.

Good luck with THAT!

[deathrind]

133. 👆 this.

[PennsylvaniaMatt]

189. +1

100 percent correct! This is why there is such an anti-establishment movement going on!

To quote one of my favorite lines from "1984" - "If there is hope, it lies in the proles"

[grasswire]

233. it's her authoritarian instinct

it's visible at every turn.

[CoffeeCat]

61. Yeah, that will go over REAL WELL with Iowans!

I'm sure my fellow Iowans will be thrilled to hear that Hillary Clinton believes that Iowans are fools who don't have any "sense."

Anyone who supports Sanders, instead of Hillary's corporate kow towing, warmongering and impersonal, canned blatherings--apparently needs a good, stern lecture from Clinton.

God, she's so out of touch.

I'm sure the audience on that college campus was impressed!

[Eleanors38]

105. Noted as well. Too typical of the elites in the Democratic Party.

[Z_California]

140. Even though "Bernie and his supporters are dumb" seems like a sleazy meme

I have to think they truly believe it being they think they can just lie and get away with it.

It's not the 90's any more Team Hillary. We're informed now. Deceptive and sleazy campaigning backfires now (among liberals anyway). We're not dumb, and telling us we're dumb and that our candidate is dumb will backfire.

Get a fucking clue.

[roguevalley]

152. this reminds me ... I have to make another donation to Bernie.

[onecent]

163. You just reminded me also! Thank you.

[marew]

169. I just did that yesterday.

Probably my 5th contribution!

[Warren DeMontague]

188. It's like they don't even realize they're doing it.

The old "We know what's good for you!" mentality.

[John Poet]

204. Iowans will appreciate that remark,

I'm sure...

[lewebley3]

34. Finally, Hillary is going to fight against Sanders smear campaign and lies

[Ed Suspicious]

51. Have you lost your mind?

[arcane1]

63. Be nice. That job doesn't pay very well, and they have to work through their lunch break.

Delirium eventually sets in

[CoffeeCat]

70. And Bernie will fight to get them paid leave!

If only they would listen to him!

:wave:

[nxylas]

187. I don't think Bernie's employment policy applies in Baghdad

Isn't that where most of her "supporters" are based?

[arcane1]

191. Her fake/hired Facebook and Twitter fans are mostly in Bangladesh, I think.

Which is probably also true for her fake/hired DUers

[CoffeeCat]

202. Is there anything real about the Clinton campaign?

It's like her entire campaign is one, big silicone breast implant.

[1monster]

207. And he is on DU vacation...

[arcane1]

211. Uh-oh, that means a docked check! n/t

[Paulie]

237. Till after Super Tuesday too

[lewebley3]

65. No, I sick of Sanders makeing promises like Trump when they are not workable

[CoffeeCat]

74. Enough with your hollow talking points

Sander's ideas and solutions are workable.

I'd rather try to implement real, meaningful, Progressive ideas any day--than stay on the same old, corporate-fueled, corrupt path that no doubt Hillary will put us on.

So rare that a candidate comes along who actually wants to move us forward and make REAL change.

I'd rather try for something meaningful that settle for more of the same!

[lewebley3]

77. NO they are fact points: Many article today making the case against Sanders today

[CoffeeCat]

92. Yes, many people are blathering the same talking points

that have NO BASIS in fact. Those articles are crap.

Sanders is serious about change and about implementing his ideas.

And he will do it.

[lewebley3]

107. No many people are thinking they want the most quailed person to ever

run for the Presidency to get the nomination which Hilary!

Sanders is a blathering old man with promises like Trumps
that the American don't want.

[tkmorris]

151. I hope you don't mind but...

I am going to borrow this post. It epitomizes what Hillary voters sound like to me, and serves as an illustration of why I find it hard to take them seriously. You're cool with that, right?

[roguevalley]

153. If I were an Iowan hearing that they were going to shake some sense

into me would piss me off. Who are these gaboons?

[Bohunk68]

166. You are making a claim based on what?

[angrychair]

177. Yep

There is the reason up you have had 6 post hidden in the last 90 days
"Sanders is a blathering old man with promises like Trumps"

As a Democrat, if Sanders wins the nomination, he will be your candidate for president. Remember your words 60 days from now...

[AlbertCat]

182. which Hilary!

I'd like to know myself which Hillary is the one that's supposed to be the most quailed.


You blather better than Sanders ever has.

[phleshdef]

226. Quailed person?

quail

verb
1. to lose heart or courage in difficulty or danger; shrink with fear.

[Spirochete]

241. Now you've done it

Google Chrome just asked me if I wish to translate the page...

[B Calm]

243. Somebody reported you, results of jury!

On Thu Jan 21, 2016, 07:30 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

No many people are thinking they want the most quailed person to ever
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1041837

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Sanders is a blathering old man, ageism should not be tolerated on DU

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jan 21, 2016, 07:35 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Um, wasn't it sander supporters that played the 'old' card, just yesterday I believe. Yeah. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511035776 that's what I thought. I'm leaving this. This isn't one way underground.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Posters are free to say stupid things. No sweat off Sanders' brow.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Rude and inappropriate and violates Community Standards.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerting on anyone not feeling the bern is getting old. Why not stay in protected group?
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The post is total nonsensical bullshit fiction. But I am not inclined to stop them from blathering silly foolishness.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: GDP was cread for this type of infighting. Grow some skin if you wish to partake in that nasty forum!
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Yep.

[zazen]

132. are you ok? you've made several incoherent posts at DU over past few hours

Please just step away, get some rest or whatever, and come back and argue for your candidate. I can infer from your syntax that this isn't a "siri" mistake. Usually your posts are combative but not this incoherent. I'm thinking you had an all-nighter or something or maybe have the flu?

I know this is meta but admins, when someone starts posting over and over again like this I feel like we should say something. Maybe the poster needs help.

[Jeroen]

158. Perhaps it's not the same person?

Who knows how many operatives hide behind these usernames, lol

[dorkzilla]

201. I’m starting to think said poster is actually Jar Jar Binks

Same speech patterns. I guess he had to find something to do when he wasn’t cast in the last Star Wars film.

[mariawr]

208. Smh....outsourcing push trolls. nt

[dorkzilla]

225. LOL! Intergalactic ones, no less!

[cannabis_flower]

228. Do you even live in the United States?

I mean, you obviously are not fluent in English. No insult meant but if you don't live in the United States and you aren't a citizen then why are you trolling this website? Or are you getting paid to post your ridiculous posts?

[Ichingcarpenter]

83. As Mr. one percent says

well, you are building a coalition of straw men.

Wait? ........... was I obtuse?


VOTE HILLARY

[NWProf]

135. They do indeed Live!

Your picture is sheer brilliance! And, a perfect summation of the Dem and Repub candidates.

[Ichingcarpenter]

161. The main actor of the movie said was a documenty

right before he died.




You know that the planet is in peril for our survival and they do nothing. The ones in control, the deep state, and those that are the political spokesman for them are denying the gross problems that face this planet that can easily be solved through a system of ecological Marxism





The thing is
with this photo...........
Many, many more have seen the movie......... They live ..and now,

they understand the message in that movie is pay attention



to What The Fuck... is really going on.


THE PLANET THAT SUPPORTS US IS FUCKING DYING
It won't die but we might with massive suffering cause by the assholes that are the one percent or less.



The world and humanity is now changing at an exponential rate and we can see it before our eyes,
the mass Exodus happening in North Africa,


Do you know what psychopath is now?
Do you know what gaslighting is now?

Some do now

And why these millions on this planet have to endure this unnecessary suffering? Because of Their careless greed that's growing even more obscene since we started talking about it? And then they make us pay for by our taxes that which pay for these inanities.

Change is coming from below............. it will never come from above.

[Mnpaul]

229. You will love this audio clip

Dr. Reese Halter on the local liberal radio today. He is very passionate on the subject. He has a piece up on Huffpo right now about dying whales.
http://www.am950radio.com/shows/daily-report

[jeff47]

98. We have been fighting for single payer for more than 80 years.

You really think we're going to stop now just because we can't get it done in a few months?

[Warren DeMontague]

193. I am curious yellow

but, a hero aint nothin but a sandwich

[redwitch]

67. Yes. nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

68. Yes

He/she has.

Sheesh.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[kristopher]

80. Please stop taking the troll bait. It destroys the thread topic.

[snoringvoter]

155. One has to have one.

[Plucketeer]

195. One has to have one first

a mind, that is.

[CoffeeCat]

66. Wow!

Reality isn't your thing, huh?

[pangaia]

106. We need to all stop replying to this nitwit.

Pass it on.

[wendylaroux]

86. lol

[TIME TO PANIC]

95. LOL!

[INdemo]

114. If Hillary was planning on using Republican style smear tactics through her campaign

Then why didn't she or why don't she just run as a Republican.
Lets face it Hillary Clinton cannot run her campaign talking about the issues and how she will deal with them.
That little spiel she made sounded good but what the hell does she have to offer the office of the Presidency.

This is right out of the Karl Rove play book and one can be sure of that because she does after all have former GOP advisers on her campaign team.

[Roland99]

162. Uhhhhhh

[AlbertCat]

178. fight against Sanders smear campaign and lies

If such a thing ever shows up, I'm sure she will.

[Odin2005]

213. The only liar here is Hillary.

She does nothing BUT lie.

[roody]

236. Do you mean the smeary lie that she

voted yes to Bush's war on Iraq?

[yeoman6987]

79. Bernies doing it to her right now in New Hampshire

[AlbertCat]

167. Shake some sense into Iowans?

With a thick coating of "We can't do anything. It's impossible to achieve such goals. We can ONLY do so much."

What a winning combo that is!

Go Hillster.....lead on!..... but not too far...

Is she just supposed to just hold a pace until Congress changes?


(reminds me of Obama giving concessions away before negotiations had even started.)

[Bill USA]

219. What a witch! exhorting people to use critical thinking as they decide who to vote for! Heresy!!!!

[msongs]

2. OMG a political candidate draws distinctions between candidates. never been done before! nt

[firebrand80]

9. What will the children think? nt

[TIME TO PANIC]

100. That's the attitude to win people over.

[firebrand80]

164. I try nt

[TIME TO PANIC]

170. Seems to be working out well for ya.

[LondonReign2]

173. Are you aware that your signature line has been vandalized with Third Way graffiti?

[firebrand80]

174. Those Third Wayers are a sneaky bunch nt

[Phlem]

175. Oh look, a turd way supporter!

I wonder if He/She supports Hillary?

[TBF]

223. Our children - the millenials - are voting for Bernie. nt

[cali]

15. Hey, no problem with that- it's the condescending shit from the campaign

[draa]

32. None of that matters see... because she can win the general without our help.

She's made that perfectly clear so far. I'm planning on finding out

[lewebley3]

37. Sanders people have been getting away with pushing fraudulent ideas like Trump

[Ed Suspicious]

57. You're projecting like a Republican!

[arcane1]

69. It's their job n/t

[cannabis_flower]

230. He could be a Republican

[INdemo]

131. Give me a list of 10 of them

You cant do it.

Hillary Clinton is going to lose and you know why? Because she is doing what Geo H W Bush did and he went off script and showed the public that he was desperate. Hillary is desperate. She sending out her attack dogs like Clara McCasshill and spewing this nonsense and the public can sense that Hillary is desperate,she's nervous. You can come here on DU and post your nonsense as well but what does it show..it shows that you sense that Hillary is desperate because you have to accuse and attack. You cant talk about the issues because you say something like "Bernie's fraudulent ideas" and cant name any.

I will make it easy for you.
Give me 10 ideas of what Hillary wants to do as President No Rhetoric Just what does Hillary plan to do.

If you are here directly form the campaign this should be easy for you.

[LondonReign2]

171. Of course no one is complaining about politicians drawing comparisons. But of course you knew that

But it is important to try to deflect from your candidate's sleazy tactics.

[HerbChestnut]

3. No We Can't!!

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

165. True

[firebrand80]

4. Panic! Desperation!!! nt

[Bread and Circus]

5. How is capitulating to Republicans making a positive difference in people's lives?

I am really curious how that works.

[mmonk]

99. It doesn't for us but pays them well.

[HassleCat]

6. Foreign policy is a good issue for Clinton.

Or is it? Her past record might raise some doubts, as might her current statements calling for a more aggressive, more interventionist, foreign policy.

[loyalsister]

22. exactly

My response to the foreign policy argument is "I know, and what she gleans from that experience makes me afraid for the future of the world and especially the youth who would fight whatever war she drags us into."

[Vincardog]

185. Iraq: Bernie against Hillary for. Iran Bernie for negotation Hillary for Bombs. TPP ...

[AlbertCat]

186. exactly redux

I withdrew all benefit of the doubt with Hillary when she called for boots on the ground. That with her "it was the little banks that ruined the economy"...

It's more Bush than Jeb! Endless war in the Middle East and trickle down! WTF!

[morningfog]

199. Iraq, Libya, cluster bombs and threats to Iran! Lovely.

[arcane1]

7. Sounds like the campaign is getting scared.

Good!

[Lawud]

39. Yup

She sees it but it will take a few more weeks for it to finely sink in.

I do wish her well though in her retirement from politics .

[HerbChestnut]

10. Well this just about blew me away...

The speech, one adviser said, was designed to "shake some sense into Iowans" and escalate the experience argument she has been making against Sanders with limited success.

Shake some sense into Iowans? WTH???

[loyalsister]

33. How many ways is her campaign going to insult voters?

Iowa caucusers are some of the most astute and thorough voters in the country. Yet, her campaign publicly insults and demeans them repeatedly.

[merrily]

59. It's the New Democrat way. Remember Obama, Rahm and Gibbs trash talking liberals during

during Obama's first term? Funny, there's been less of that so far in his second term than there was when he needed us for re-election.

[closeupready]

146. Yes. Rahm and Hillary and Gibbs, all cast from the same mold.

[TIME TO PANIC]

102. +1 n/t

[lewebley3]

42. Hillary is up 9 points because she telling people the truth about ideas:

they are unworkable

[HerbChestnut]

46. No We Can't!!

[ljm2002]

84. "the truth about ideas: they are unworkable"...

...er, okay...

Stepping away slowly...

[Odin2005]

214. The Establishment HATES DEMOCRACY.

[Vinca]

11. Dear Clinton campaign -

At the beginning of this political season I was up for grabs. I was leaning toward Bernie, but I might have been convinced otherwise. My husband was totally in the Clinton camp. Not so much anymore. It's dirty politics as usual and the thought of casting a vote for her if she is the nominee almost makes me physically ill. And my husband is now a Bernie supporter. Keep it up, Clinton campaign and the result will be the same as it was in 2008.

[loyalsister]

48. I resent that I may vote for the first woman presidential candidate only RELUCTANTLY

I want to be enthusiastic about it!

[Vinca]

121. Me, too. It's heartbreaking she turned out to be just a "same old, same old" politician.

[NCTraveler]

12. Love it. This is what we have been waiting for.

Perfect timing to energize her base even further. I don't think people get how pissed of her base is at the attacks on great progressive organizations. The timing is perfect.

[Fawke Em]

19. Are you gonna shake some sense into them, then?

Talk about alienating people.

[NCTraveler]

35. No.

The attacks on great progressive establishments will do that for us. And yes, I fully expect Clinton to get dirty. The Sanders campaign has been. This is enthusiasm building. Perfect timing.

[lewebley3]

45. HIllary is going fight against the Sander smear campaign

[NCTraveler]

49. +1

And it's about time. His comments on PP went way too far. Way too far.

[questionseverything]

138. his comment about pp being establishment?

is that what you are referencing?

when a organization's ceo makes over half a million a year,they sure aren't a start up

i do not fault ms richards for supporting hc, ms richards is a child of privilege as hc is and i doubt they can understand the 99s world at all

i thought bernie's "establishment" comment was gentlemanly

<shrugs>

[floriduck]

172. And the HRC endorsement defied logic.

Another example of falling into line to benefit if she wins. Logic would take the better rated candidate using their own rating system. But leaders think differently than rank and file members. Oh what promises she must make. . . .

[Armstead]

81. It is Sanders not Sander

[TIME TO PANIC]

108. Projection .

[Lawud]

47. You couldn't be more wrong

I'm glad she is doing it but this is going to end her run.

We should all wish her well in her retirement

[NCTraveler]

55. Do you know how many times I have heard that.

And she is still the front runner.

[Lawud]

73. No you heard about her emails , Benghazi etc..

This isn't about this.

This is about her and her character .

[NCTraveler]

76. Benghazi!!!!!!!! Love it. Fuck Gowdy. nt.

[cascadiance]

31. Or how PO'd many other Americans that she is now attacking progressive policies like single payer...

... which shows her corporate ownership and how she is basically telling us "We can't win" against the rising tides of fascism and to just accept what we can get. People weren't going to accept that line the last time we were headed in to a depression, and they won't now either!

[Avalux]

43. You've been waiting for Hillary to act like a Republican?

[NCTraveler]

75. Supporting PP. Supporting the HRC.

Supporting the expansion of the ACA on our way to single payer. Supporting policies to bring the income gap closer. Supporting stronger gun regulation. Supporting a pathway to citizenship. Supporting an assault on the shadow banking industry. Fighting for equal pay for equal work.

The things Sanders folks think sound republican. Very interesting.

[Avalux]

122. Demonizing Bernie Sanders. It didn't work with Obama, won't work now. n/t

[AlbertCat]

190. Supporting the expansion of the ACA on our way to single payer.

How is supporting Health Care Insurance companies gonna get us single payer?

Who's premiums went up recently? Hands?

I want Health Care reform....not health care insurance reform.

[enid602]

54. go hill go

I'm hoping this will finally turn the race away from personality, so we can start to concentrate on policy. It will be a referendum on Berniecare. Good on her.

[retrowire]

144. Oh we get how pissed off your base is

what with PUMA and Jackassradicals, we can tell the hillary base went off the deep end a loooooong time ago. :/

[Wilms]

13. "The speech, one adviser said, was designed to "shake some sense into Iowans" "

You hear that, you senseless Iowans?

[arcane1]

18. Gotta turn them into Sensible Woodchucks! n/t

[azmom]

113. Jajaja.

[wendylaroux]

96. you WILL vote for me,you idiots!!!

goodness gracious,so awful.

[Wilms]

109. Glad I don't live in Iowa.

I get dizzy when people shake me.

[wendylaroux]

115. no kidding!

glad I didn't hear her speech,that voice! gets to me.

[Fawke Em]

16. Wonder what Bill thinks of her breaking one of his laws of politics?

[pangaia]

119. YUP.

Would be another great Bernie ad. :&gt )

[Go Vols]

183. +1

[pinebox]

17. Stick a fork in her

She's toast.

[Lawud]

56. It's so obvious now

Maybe even to her now

[pa28]

71. She's backed into a negative message just when voters are starting to pay attention.

She's going to lose.

[in_cog_ni_to]

78. She's DESPERATE! Her poll numbers are PLUMMETING, Bernie's crowds are GROWING and

she knows she's going to lose - BIG - in landslide victories for Bernie!

Her internal polls have to be in the toilet!

There's no way she going to win Iowa or NH. Millennials aren't voting for her, Independents aren't voting for her, MEN aren't voting for her and many, many females aren't voting for her. She can't win! The 99% has beat her.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[sarge43]

116. A moment at Clinton campaign HQ (from the film Dragonheart)

"M'lord, the peasants ... they're revolting!"

"They've always been revolting. Now they're rebelling."

[in_cog_ni_to]

126. Rebelling

is the least of her worries.

She's going to have the masses in an all-out Revolution if she keeps up her Red Baiting shit. She is CLUELESS to the support Bernie has all over this country thanks to Reddit, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, DU, Progressive Blogs, etc... Millions upon MILLIONS of people are supporting him. She Red Baits Bernie, she Red Baits MILLIONS OF HIS SUPPORTERS.

She's insulting the MAJORITY in this country. In actuality, she's cutting off her nose to spite her face because there's no Kumbaya, we'll come "together" after the Primary - Uuuuh, Nooooooooooo we will NOT. She wouldn't want a bunch of REDS supporting her campaign, would she??????

I-AM-SO-OVER-HRH. This Commie, Pinko, Tree-Hugging, Bleeding Heart, RED DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST wouldn't be acceptable to vote for her!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Prism]

20. Stupid Iowans!

Why aren't you recognizing the glory that is Hillary?!

Lol. They just disdain voters. It comes through every time they open their mouths.

That, right there, is the Establishment talking.

[WillyT]

23. Exactly !!!

That, right there, is the Establishment talking.

[thereismore]

62. Very well put. nt

[Broward]

21. She'll make a difference in our lives alright, but it will just be negative.

[daleanime]

24. She's not interested in 'ideas that sound good'....

OK, that I believe.

[KingCharlemagne]

25. Three words for Mrs. Experience: 2002 Iraq AUMF - nt

[draa]

26. Oh shit, when the Telepromters come out this early it's never a good sign.

FOR THE PEOPLE USING THEM.

[libdem4life]

27. Isn't this pretty much on schedule, or a little early? When do we hear the rebuttal?

Isn't that part of the Media's deal?

[Kelvin Mace]

28. I have seen HRC's reality

and I don't like it one bit. It gets people killed and enriches the wealthy.

Think I prefer Bernie's "theories".

[Fawke Em]

30. Well, that's been Tweeted.

I expect the "shake some sense into Iowans" will be all over social media by tomorrow.

Way to go Hillary.

[wendylaroux]

104. Holy cow!

what's next? "You all better like me goddammit!!!!!!"

[nxylas]

194. The Onion already did that one

http://www.theonion.com/r/38416

[wendylaroux]

196. love the onion! lol nt

[Sienna86]

36. I thought the the initial headline meant her indictment for the

Mishandling of classified documents.

[Skwmom]

38. In the "reality" of Clinton, she can only deliver to her big money donors and those who pay her fees

[merrily]

40. The woman who advocated for invading Iraq condemns the foreign policy of the man who advocated

against it, correctly predicting it would de-stablize the entire Middle East?

If that weren't so incredibly tragic, it would be incredibly funny.

[arcane1]

58. Right? The foreign policy "expert" who repeated EVERY ONE OF BUSH'S LIES about Iraq.

And then says "oops, it was a mistake" as if that is some sort of bizarre justification.

How many "mistakes" will she make as President? I don't think we can afford to take that risk.

[WillyT]

82. + 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!!

Exactly !!!

[merrily]

89. Thanks, WillyT.

[TM99]

112. Don't you just love the irony?

She claims Sanders doesn't 'think things through' on foreign policy issues.

You mean, Madam Secretary, like when on the Iraq War vote that you cheerleadered for?

It seems like he thought it through quite well.

He knew Bush Co was lying when you did not.

He knew it would destabilize the region when you did not.

He knew it would lead to hundreds and thousands of Iraqi civilian deaths and thousands of troop deaths when you did not.

He knew it would lead to more than a decade of increased chaos in the region and more terrorism against us and our allies when you did not.

Project much?!

[arcane1]

125. Sanders knew Bush co was lying, while Clinton repeated their lies verbatim. n/t

[TM99]

128. Not only did she repeat them

she encouraged her fellow Senators to believe them. The video of her is damning!

[closeupready]

148. This post should be an OP itself. Thank you.

[nc4bo]

41. "Shake some sense into Iowans?" Well, hell THAT sounds condescending.

Better disappear that comment.

Yuck.

To the rest....bring it!

[Donkees]

44. HIDE THE BABIES! Don't let her shake them!

[Skwmom]

50. If LIbya and Iraq is an example of her thinking things through, I'd hate to think of what would be

an example when she didn't.

[thereismore]

52. Incrementalism. That's her card and she is sticking to it. She will go down with it. nt

[BeyondGeography]

53. Real bad word choice there Team Clinton

"Shake some sense" reeks of condescension and entitlement. These people need to go to the Obama School of Public Language. Notice how neither he nor his team ever came off that way? Good job, "Advisor."

[pa28]

60. Bernie is appealing to hope and optimism while Hillary appeals to defeatism and fear.

I think I know who is going to win.

[earthside]

64. What a downer.

That's what Democrats need?

A presidential scold?

Think small!
Cut that out!
We can't do that!
Be content with what you've got!
It's my turn!
It's hard!
What difference, at this point, does it make!

No we can't!

All watered down and no where to go!

[DhhD]

72. Even the Medical community is getting a shake:

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/june/barack_obama_on_sing.php

Full quote from Obama in 2003:

“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program.” (applause) “I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.”

Obama speaking to the Illinois AFL-CIO, June 30, 2003.


Adding on Edit: Iowa Physicans For a National Health Program-Iowa
http://www.pnhp.org/search.php?cx=015249405663905105964%3Aebn8t4lcngk&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=UTF-8&q=PNHP-Iowa&sa=Search&siteurl=www.pnhp.org%2Fnews%2F2008%2Fjune%2Fbarack_obama_on_sing.php&ref=www.democraticunderground.com%2F12511041509&ss=5963j4723187j11

[DhhD]

97. New Democrat President Barack Obama had two years of a Democratic Party controlled House

and Senate. He dropped single payer even though there was no GOP pressure to do so.

Hillary Clinton: Likewise candidate of no we can't becoming no I won't.

[pengu]

85. This is getting pathetic

She's following the same failed playbook from 2008. Anyone remember this gem she deployed against Obama?

"The skies will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will be singing and everyone will know we should do the right thing and the world will be perfect,” she said dryly as the crowd erupted.

She is the "No We Can't" candidate.

[wendylaroux]

91. ahhhh...

such beautiful words.

[closeupready]

157. Yes:

[Omaha Steve]

87. Didn't she lose to a first term Jr US Senator with little very experience in 08?

This argument won't help her.

[Jarqui]

88. Coming from the man who got me into politics:

"George Bernard Shaw, speaking as an Irishman, summed up an approach to life, 'Other people, he said, see things and say why? But I dream things that never were and I say, why not?" John F. Kennedy, June 28th, 1963 in his speech to the Irish Government.

My biggest problem is turning our backs on people who are dying without healthcare coverage - thousands per year.

Hillary is basically saying "you go ahead and keep on dying because there's no hope for you! As president, I'm going to bury you. I'm not going to save many of you." Because under Hillary's plan, she's not going to save all of the people who are dying without healthcare. She might save some of them. To me, that's unAmerican.

Bernie's idea is that his election is only one part of the political revolution he seeks. Unlike what we did with Obama, we have to follow through and take the House and Senate. Now, if you want to sit on your hands and say "I give up. That's too hard. Or that's impossible. Can't be done." Fine. If you don't try, then for sure, it can't be done. People are dying, so I have to try.

But if things like single payer are properly sold as :
- something that saves thousands of lives every year
- something that reduces the deficit
- something that helps bring jobs back because it reduces labor costs to business
etc, it has a much better chance. To date, it's been poorly sold ignoring the dying and the bigger picture.

Fighting gerrymandering, Citizen's united, etc. Is part of Bernie's revolution. I don't know how far we'll get while Bernie is in office. But at least we're heading in the right direction. Of course, we can pick up gains for the ACA along the way until the complete goal is achieved.

I thought the United States was supposed to be the greatest country in the world. All the other advanced nations got great, universal or single payer healthcare for their people. I do not buy the notion that the US cannot. But I guess the United States has become second rate because a bunch of it's folks cower in defeat when faced with a tough challenge for the good of so many of it's people who will die without it.

The heck with Hillary. She's going nowhere special. There's no guarantee with Bernie but at least we've got a chance.

[questionseverything]

136. 29 million Americans without healthcare

and hc's plan is what? for us to die quickly?

i would rather go down trying too and bernie is the only candidate that will try

[Jarqui]

141. Here's the deadly problem:

New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

That's roughly (very roughly) 0.1% death rate. For 29,000,000, that's 29,000 dying in 2016. If Hillary gets in for 8 years, that's another 232,000 dead. 664,000 using that % died between 2001 and 2015. If we stay on this path, we're flirting with hitting 1,000,000 American dead near the end of 8 years of Hilary - all because they couldn't have healthcare.

That's a lot of people. Even if one wants to bicker over the death rate their study found and cut it in half, 500,000 Americans dead is a staggering number.

Our current pace is ten 9/11s per year because people like Hillary can't muster the will to take these jackasses on that allow these people to die on our watch.

It is a hideous disgrace!!! Bernie is right. Hillary is wrong. It needs to be stopped!

[KingFlorez]

90. Yes. Drag him.

It's about time somebody pointed out these things.

[MineralMan]

93. Well. This is interesting.

Looks like everyone's here, too. I think I'll just withhold any comment beyond that.

[jeff47]

94. The problem with this line of attack is she has failed to deliver

even with her "pragmatic" approach. At least to anyone she considers "middle class" or below.

Or is renaming a post office supposed to be inspirational?

[pangaia]

101. This is what a cornered rabid racoon looks like.

She may succeed, or not.


Either way, she is shitting her pantsuit and engaging in despicable behavior.
.

What she is doing will destroy, no matter who wins this.

That is what such arrogance and feelings of superiority and self-importance do to a human being. I would say it is sad to watch, but it isn't. It is sickening.

[Truprogressive85]

103. HRC all talk no bite

She can unload all she wants ,but she did not even have to guts to stand up to George W Bush and she gave Blank Check war

How is even stand up wall st

I like my president who not about beating war drums

[cherokeeprogressive]

110. Here's the main problem I have with Hillary Clinton: "shake some sense into Iowans"

It's precisely that kind of condescending bullshit I find fucking repulsive to my very core.

[Babel_17]

111. "shake some sense" wow, that shoots down the kindly grandmother image

What is with that campaign?

[artislife]

117. 2008..dang if she isn't old school. lolz.nt

[beaglelover]

118. She's right. Bernie's 'ideas' will never get through Congress. He'll be a do nothing POTUS for 4

years much as he's been in the Senate for the past 500 years. Hillary on the other hand has a record of getting things done in Congress by reaching across the aisle. That's is why I support her and hope to vote for her in November.

[LondonReign2]

180. Tell me again which of Hillary's awesome ideas she is going to get Republican support on?

[Nanjeanne]

120. Hillary Clinton - Think Small, Aim Low

Thank you for reminding me why I disliked you and your campaign so much in 2008. Months ago I felt quite comfortable pulling the lever for you should you be the candidate. Now you are trying every inch of my small "d" democratic soul!

[Deny and Shred]

123. The Gotcha questions from the debate last weekend

were supposed to take Bernie down a peg or three. They didn't.

As a result, it is now full-on Clinton attack mode. Not surprisingly, the DNC has somehow overcome the tremendous obstacles preventing more events in which the candidates are allowed to participate.

Expect some true cheapshots on Sen. Sanders at the town hall. Everytime you hear socialist you have to drink - communist you have to chug.

[TIME TO PANIC]

124. "shake some sense into Iowans"?

It shows you the disdain she and her campaign have for the base.

[mhatrw]

127. "No, We Can't!"

Now eat our corporate profiteering and like it!

[AzDar]

129. Some CLOWN who voted for the Iraq War suggesting Bernie hasn't 'thought through' his FP...

is just fucking PERVERSE.

GO AWAY, Hillary!

[in_cog_ni_to]

130. Oooooooh yeah - THAT's going to go over really, really well --------> "shake some sense into Iowans"

THE ARROGANCE IS BREATHTAKING!

Silly Iowans don't know how to vote for the candidate Hillary thinks they should vote for!!!!

Wow! The Chutzpah!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[MisterP]

134. if she wants to win by discouraging turnout this is one hell of a way to do it

[hopemountain]

137. hillary's problem is

hillary. there is no "us" when supposed "leadership" refers to constituents as "them" and condescends by inferring they don't have the sense to make the right decisions and need to be told what is best for "them" by privileged and more "intelligent" people who are rich and white.

her statements just show us how much of a bigot she is deep down. it's all about class for her.

bernie addresses his audience and the voting american citizenry as "we" and "us" - not "them".

[Punkingal]

139. OMG..."shake some sense into Iowans."

Apparently she has never heard of "Iowa Nice." That is an appalling statement. i went there in 2010 to conduct a 5-day training for my company, went to 5 different cities and Des Moines, and i have never met nicer people anywhere. I am offended for all those nice people I met in Iowa.

[in_cog_ni_to]

142. I'm sure they aren't going to take kindly to that remark. Especially after her nasty remark about

their caucus system after she came in THIRD in 2008 - Caucuses - “creatures of the parties’ extremes,”.

If she keeps this shit up, she's going to come in THIRD again! :

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[retrowire]

143. Too bad they've all made it in the real world Hillary.

Where's your head at Hillary? Aren't you paying attention outside of your bubble?

[closeupready]

145. lol - lame, sad, speech VERY unbecoming of a president.

[Old Codger]

147. Her idea

Of "progress" is in neutral idling, preparing to shift into reverse....

[bread_and_roses]

149. OMG - "shake some sense into Iowans" !!!!!

I sure do hope that quote is spread far and wide. Talk about condescending!!!!!!!!! You know, we talk about the "bubble" these people live in, but something like this can still shock me.

[fbc]

150. Hillary Clinton apparently thinks the goal of a campaign is to be unappealing to voters

[marlakay]

154. Bernie has already answered back that Iowans have common sense already

and that it is a strange way to get voters.

[winter is coming]

176. ...

[DaveT]

156. Hillary to Iowans: "Cut it out!"

She is not running for President, she is running for Assistant Principal.

Once again, her basic pitch is now, "Eat Your Spinach. Vote for Hillary."

[Nanjeanne]

159. Deja vu all over again

Think back to 2008 . . .

Hillary Clinton "There's a big difference between us -- speeches versus solutions, talk versus action".

Wonder what else she can find under the dust cover!

[Helen Borg]

160. "In reality"...

Like invading Iraq and shit.

[Blue_In_AK]

168. "Shake some sense" into them?

How patronizing.

[underthematrix]

181. Thank you Madame President

.

[AlbertCat]

192. Thank you Madame President

Who are you talking to?

Our president is a man. There is NO "Madame President".

When is Hillary gonna shake some sense into her own supporters?

[underthematrix]

231. Just calm down. It's gonna be okay

[AlbertCat]

232. Just calm down. It's gonna be okay

Cute.

But I believe you are the one in trouble here.

Sorry honey.... she ain't no president.

It can be hard to adjust to reality.... but you really should wait for the actual presidential election. She lost the last primary ...remember?

[underthematrix]

234. Try reading a book and you'll feel better

[Scalded Nun]

184. Let's see..........

"Senator Sanders doesn't talk much about foreign policy, but when he does it raises concerns," Clinton said. "Sometimes it can sound like he really hasn't thought it through."

Let's talk war votes and discuss those raised concerns.

[Plucketeer]

197. The lenses of those cameras

better be deeply rose-tinted!

[LittleBlue]

198. Hillary, universal healthcare works in the entire developed world

Except here in the US! You ever wonder why we pay twice as much as anyone else and get the same/worse results?

"I am not interested in ideas that sound good on paper but will never make it in the real world," Clinton said. "I care about making a real difference in your life and that gets to the choice you have to make in this caucus."

Useless corporate shill! Stop pretending universal healthcare is impossible when every other western country has it!

[raindaddy]

200. What gives her the idea her experience translates into votes?

She voted for Bush's war in Iraq without bothering to read the intelligence report and sold millions of dollars in arms to Algeria after they donated to her friggin foundation..

[Truprogressive85]

203. Allons-y Les Sandernistas

Iowa time to give Hillary Clinton her 2nd upset in her 2nd run.

If you have friends ,family,and etc in Iowa tell them its time to join the Revolution

[historylovr]

206. Shake some sense into Iowans.

That'll go over really well here. First we're too wimpy to go out and caucus on a cold February night, now we need to have some sense shaken into us. Sometimes it can sound like they really haven't thought it through.

[Enthusiast]

209. LMAO! This will make us love her!

[chervilant]

210. This:

"I am not interested in ideas that sound good on paper but will never make it in the real world," Clinton said. "I care about making a real difference in your life and that gets to the choice you have to make in this caucus."

Do you think Hi11ary is attempting to reframe her "No We Can't" meme that's spreading like wildfire on the social media, by accusing Senator Sanders of living in a fantasy world?!?

She showed her true character when she snubbed Bernie's handshake after the last debate. Insulting Iowans provides yet another glimpse of her true character.

Also, I have not heard a single Hi11ary supporter explain her vote on Iraq. Wonder why?

[Odin2005]

212. This is disgusting. Shame on you, Hillary!

[Bill USA]

216. what a witch! exorting people to use critical thinking as they decide who to vote for! Heresy!!!!

[Bill USA]

217. a real paragon of journalism there CNN, with that 'dispassionate' title.

the media: "Let's see you and him fight - come-on!!"

[senz]

218. I thought she dumped her entire bag of nasties on him in the debate.

[cui bono]

220. The speech, one adviser said, was designed to "shake some sense into Iowans"

Good plan talking down to the "little people" Hill. Sheesh. She is so out of touch it's incredible.

And speaking to foreign policy, who's the one who wants new sanctions against Iran at a time when we have had a diplomatic break through and have the best relations with them than we've had in decades. Have you thought that through Hillary? No, I though not. Just saying what your hawk contractor buddies want to hear, eh?

.

[SoapBox]

221. Worst Campaign Ever...at least since 2008!

"The speech, one adviser said, was designed to "shake some sense into Iowans"..."

Really? REALLY?

How insulting!

Keep that one in mind Iowa!

[TBF]

222. Like Hillary's experience?

I can't believe she really wants to go there. Smh.

[jwirr]

224. She does not seem to get it. It is what she would deliver that

we do not want. More corporate 1% rules to help the rich.

[cannabis_flower]

227. Actually sounds like...

Bernie could probably use some of the footage for his own ad.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

235. Shaking some sense into them. How very...maternal.

[WillyT]

238. Late Night Kick !!!

[Uncle Joe]

239. Didn't Hillary make the argument that Bernie had much more experience in government than her

when trying to cast him as an "establishment" candidate?

Thanks for the thread, WillyT.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

240. Hillary is not trustworthy

according to voters

[Bernblu]

242. What has she ever done or accomplished that makes her worthy of such hubris?

I'd take Sanders accomplishments working people any day of the week.