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HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 06:52 PM Jan 2016

Clinton calls Bernie part of the 'establishment'

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-establishment-iran-normalization/index.html

Washington (CNN)Hillary Clinton on Thursday sought to turn Sen. Bernie Sanders' "establishment" attack right back on him -- saying he served in Washington much longer than she did.

She also attacked his experience and fitness to lead the country, criticizing his suggestion that the U.S. should warm its relationship with Iran.

The Democratic front-runner told CNN's Wolf Blitzer on "The Situation Room" that Sanders' charge that Planned Parenthood and the Human Rights Campaign support Clinton because they are all part of the establishment didn't make sense to her.

"I just don't understand what that means. He's been in Congress, he's been elected to office a lot longer than I have," Clinton said.

She noted she only served in the Senate for eight years.

"He's been in the Congress for 25. And so I'll let your viewers make their own judgment," Clinton said.


Just when you thought this race couldn't get any weirder.
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Clinton calls Bernie part of the 'establishment' (Original Post) HerbChestnut Jan 2016 OP
At least he did it from his Real state of residence. There's that. Then the fact that libdem4life Jan 2016 #1
I thought he was originally from New York dlwickham Jan 2016 #9
He's lived in Vermont for over 40 years cali Jan 2016 #11
The reference was to HRC's Carpetbagging to the NY Senate. libdem4life Jan 2016 #19
but Bernie isn't Vermont dlwickham Jan 2016 #30
Let's see...he's been in the Senate for How Many Years? Are you serious? What is your point? libdem4life Jan 2016 #33
but he's not from Vermont dlwickham Jan 2016 #35
Gee, someone who lives in a state for several years before running for public office there Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #46
Sanders is a carpetbagger dlwickham Jan 2016 #47
How is he a carpetbagger? Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #49
You keep using that word... Lancero Jan 2016 #50
He's still a carpetbagger dlwickham Jan 2016 #61
As I've already shown, he isn't. Lancero Jan 2016 #62
jesus on a stick, GIVE IT UP, will ya ! pangaia Jan 2016 #56
Born in New York. SoapBox Jan 2016 #34
He moved to Vermont in 1968 dlwickham Jan 2016 #48
He has made his primary residence in Vermont most of his jwirr Jan 2016 #41
Bernie voted with Dems more than 94% of the time. Hortensis Jan 2016 #51
LOL azmom Jan 2016 #2
So. Desperate. jkbRN Jan 2016 #3
It's sad. She basically conceded that she is part of the establishment. reformist2 Jan 2016 #25
Bernie voted with Hillary 94% of the time. Hortensis Jan 2016 #53
But that 6% of the time they voted differently, often those were the big votes that mattered. reformist2 Jan 2016 #63
Ooohhh, gotcha. Hortensis Jan 2016 #65
Well....he has been in Congress for a quarter century..... Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #4
But Dear Leader must not be questioned. baldguy Jan 2016 #14
Another pretzel...did you forget he's a Socialist...an Independent...you know...nothing here to see? libdem4life Jan 2016 #23
No, that does NOT mean he is 'establishment.' pangaia Jan 2016 #57
Hillary abandoning all pretense at truth LittleBlue Jan 2016 #5
Learning from Trump? Helen Borg Jan 2016 #16
Nah - she's the expert on 840high Jan 2016 #42
I don't think I've ever heard such a self-defeating attack before. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #6
Is she competing with Palin? Wilms Jan 2016 #7
Lol tk2kewl Jan 2016 #10
I was thinking the same thing. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #12
So she's admitting that she's so stupid she doesn't understand why she's "establishment?" last1standing Jan 2016 #8
This just oozes desperation. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #13
Momentarily Webster's dictionary is going to have Hillary's pic next to the word disingenuous. avaistheone1 Jan 2016 #15
Fuck posting photoshopped pictures that demean Clinton and cali Jan 2016 #17
Feel the Bern, baby. nt Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #20
That photo isn't Photoshopped. earthside Jan 2016 #39
. libodem Jan 2016 #45
You survived. You shouldn't have. You should be fucking ashamed. cali Jan 2016 #22
Thank you Cali. Metric System Jan 2016 #28
That's YOUR opinion which means nothing to me. I have no reason whatsoever to be ashamed, none. avaistheone1 Jan 2016 #43
So she admits he is more experienced Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #18
Ding! Ding! Ding! n/t ejbr Jan 2016 #29
He has been in mainstream politics for decades gwheezie Jan 2016 #21
He has been along time independent cali Jan 2016 #27
Hillary, Hillary,Hillary. Autumn Jan 2016 #24
She must be desperate to lower herself to go on CNN Situation Room Armstead Jan 2016 #26
Her shifting positions and messages are becoming like a kaleidoscope Armstead Jan 2016 #31
Well....WTF? SoapBox Jan 2016 #32
She killed her "I'm more experienced" argument... Ino Jan 2016 #36
She's saying the words! Words! Prism Jan 2016 #37
As time goes on her attacks become more and more childish tularetom Jan 2016 #38
Not only is Hillary behind in IA INdemo Jan 2016 #60
Bernie is amazing. So many things in one man. He's an insider. He's an outsider. He's establishment. Live and Learn Jan 2016 #40
. libodem Jan 2016 #44
If Hillary is part of the "establishment" for being in the Senate for eight years Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #52
This kind of thing is what bothers me about Clinton. Senator Tankerbell Jan 2016 #54
This is the classic GOP political tactic: Jarqui Jan 2016 #55
Hillary has officially lost it INdemo Jan 2016 #58
It hurts to laugh. I slipped and cracked some ribs a few days ago..Time for some Advil. CentralMass Jan 2016 #59
So which is it? He has more experience, he's a socialist, a commie, or now part of Establishment EndElectoral Jan 2016 #64
 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
1. At least he did it from his Real state of residence. There's that. Then the fact that
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 06:55 PM
Jan 2016

he's an Independent...and a Socialist...speaking of pretzels. I like mine salted and piping hot.

That one's going to leave a mark...Bernie, the Non-Establishment poseur.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
33. Let's see...he's been in the Senate for How Many Years? Are you serious? What is your point?
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:00 PM
Jan 2016

Oh, and he was a Mayor of Burlington, as I recall. Again, your point?

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
35. but he's not from Vermont
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:05 PM
Jan 2016

he moved there in the late 60s and started running for political office in the early to mid 70s

sounds pretty much like a carpetbagger to me





Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
46. Gee, someone who lives in a state for several years before running for public office there
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:18 PM
Jan 2016

versus someone who moves to a state specifically to run for public office there and launches her campaign almost immediately upon arrival.

One is a carpetbagger, the other isn't. And you know darn well which one is.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
49. How is he a carpetbagger?
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 09:06 AM
Jan 2016

He moved to a state to live there. He did not move there specifically to run for office. Hell, if I moved to Missouri, then decided I wanted to run for office there 8 years after I moved there, I would NOT be a carpetbagger-- by that time I'd be an established resident. And people on DU would probably support my campaign.

Hillary, on the other hand, moved to New York SPECIFICALLY to run for office, and she started her campaign almost as soon as she got there.

That's a BIG freaking difference.

Lancero

(2,980 posts)
50. You keep using that word...
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 10:01 AM
Jan 2016

I do not think it means what you think it means.

It refers to someone working to get elected in a area that they have no ties in, and in most cases as the result of desperation on part of one political party

When Bernie ran for senate, he had been in Vermont for four years. When Hillary ran, she hadn't been a resident for even a year - In fact, the ONLY reason the Clintons bought a home in New York was for the express purpose of her running for election.

So, where as Hillary 'moved' to New York for the express purpose of running for their elections, Sanders had been a resident in Vermont for about 3 years - Not out of any desire to run for elections, but simply because he thought 'hey, Vermont looks nice, I'm no longer stuck in collage, lets have a change of scenery' - before getting started in politics in 71.

Lancero

(2,980 posts)
62. As I've already shown, he isn't.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 12:34 PM
Jan 2016

Still waiting for you to actually (try to) disprove my post rather then just give a rehash of your (disproven) previous comment.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
34. Born in New York.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:02 PM
Jan 2016

He was born in 1941 in Brooklyn, New York, he attended James Madison High School, Brooklyn College and graduated from University of Chicago in 1964.

Not sure how many years he was in Chicago but after he graduated, he moved to Vermont.

....info from BernieSanders.com and Wikipedia.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
41. He has made his primary residence in Vermont most of his
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:28 PM
Jan 2016

life. She cannot say the same about NY.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
53. Bernie voted with Hillary 94% of the time.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 10:11 AM
Jan 2016

He's been in DC in Congress for 25 years, all through the nation's shift rightward, always voting WITH the Democrats. Of course he is part of the establishment. That is not an insult.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
23. Another pretzel...did you forget he's a Socialist...an Independent...you know...nothing here to see?
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 07:38 PM
Jan 2016

Can't get elected. Old. Rumpled. Could go on and on. I'm sure it is a bit hard to take that he's the frontrunner...or a good deal up from Nowhere, at the very least.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
57. No, that does NOT mean he is 'establishment.'
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 10:26 AM
Jan 2016

Do you SERIOUSLY not know what that term means, OR, art you just playing dumb?

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
5. Hillary abandoning all pretense at truth
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 07:03 PM
Jan 2016

She's desperately flinging poo at a wall and seeing what sticks.

Must be getting a tad worried.

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
8. So she's admitting that she's so stupid she doesn't understand why she's "establishment?"
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 07:08 PM
Jan 2016

Why would we want a stupid president again? Wasn't her close family friend GW Bush enough stupid for one lifetime?

Or is she trying to pick up the "stupid" demographic? You know, the people so uninformed that they'll actually fall for this pathetic deception.

Either way, she's not fit to be president.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
39. That photo isn't Photoshopped.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:11 PM
Jan 2016

Found the link on Huffington Post that says: "Cliff Owen, an Associated Press photographer, caught Clinton winking at a committee member during a hearing on the Law of the Sea Convention."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/25/hillary-clinton-photo-caption-contest_n_1545548.html

Here is the photo at the Associated Press site:

http://www.apimages.com/metadata/Index/APTOPIX-Sea-Treaty/5cdb16580b734c8090bfa3f8f6dca76c

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
22. You survived. You shouldn't have. You should be fucking ashamed.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 07:37 PM
Jan 2016

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:34 PM, and voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Even if not photoshopped, the attack is blatantly sexist. I dislike Hilary for her record and (lack of) beliefs, not because she's not pretty without make-up.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No Democrat would post this. Shabby beyond endurance.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
43. That's YOUR opinion which means nothing to me. I have no reason whatsoever to be ashamed, none.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:07 PM
Jan 2016

And point your old finger right back at yourself where it belongs. nt




gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
21. He has been in mainstream politics for decades
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 07:36 PM
Jan 2016

So has Clinton, although she has held office less time than he has. I'm trying to figure out what the outrage is about. On one hand I hear Bernie has worked so well with his peers in Congress so he'll have no problems getting his agenda through but then I hear he's like a maverick outsider.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
27. He has been along time independent
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 07:43 PM
Jan 2016

He doesn't play footsie with big money interests or curry large donors. He doesn't observe quite a few political conventions. In every way but gender, Hillary is a very conventional, establishment politician.

Autumn

(44,762 posts)
24. Hillary, Hillary,Hillary.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 07:39 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie voted no on the Iraq war, you voted yes. Bernie is for Medicare for All, you want me to buy health insurance that will cost me more and give me less. You want war Bernie wants' to try diplomacy. Bernie represents the Americana people, by your own admission you represent Wall Street. I have made my own judgment and you have come up wanting. Your judgment is not sound.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
26. She must be desperate to lower herself to go on CNN Situation Room
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 07:41 PM
Jan 2016

As for that 25 years versus 8 years....Well, yeah. If you're just your ticket in the Senate to have something on your resume for a presidential run.

Sorta like Mitt Romney did in Massachusetts

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
32. Well....WTF?
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 07:52 PM
Jan 2016

What the HELL?

Good gawd...she is THE worst. Can she talk consistent ISSUES? No! Can she talk about he STANCE? PLATFORM? NO!

So she goes with bullshit and dirty politics!

Worst...Candidate and Campaign...Ever! At least since 2008.

It's just dumbfounding.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
36. She killed her "I'm more experienced" argument...
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:07 PM
Jan 2016

in favor of claiming Sanders is establishment, not her... because he's been in Congress 25 years to her 8.

My judgment is that she's no longer making any sense at all, has gone off the rails looking for something -- anything -- to get control.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
37. She's saying the words! Words!
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:08 PM
Jan 2016

What else do you want her to say?! She'll say it. Whatever you want!

Someone just telllllll her what to saayyyyyy!

. . .

I honestly cannot believe these are adults in charge of her campaign. These are some of the dumbest political operatives I have ever witnessed.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
38. As time goes on her attacks become more and more childish
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:11 PM
Jan 2016

By the time of the Iowa caucuses she'll be telling everybody that Bernie Sanders is a poopy head.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
52. If Hillary is part of the "establishment" for being in the Senate for eight years
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 10:09 AM
Jan 2016

So is Sanders, he has been in the Senate since 2006. Furthermore he has been in Congress since 1991. He is an example of "establishment".

Senator Tankerbell

(316 posts)
54. This kind of thing is what bothers me about Clinton.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 10:12 AM
Jan 2016

She speaks as if she thinks I am an idiot. I can't support someone who constantly insults my intelligence.

Jarqui

(10,110 posts)
55. This is the classic GOP political tactic:
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 10:16 AM
Jan 2016

When a candidate is guilty of something, accuse the other candidate of being guilty of it - even if they're not.

That way, for the folks just reading headlines, you soften the allegation if the media takes the bait (as it often does)

Just another deception by Hillary. They're coming daily now.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
58. Hillary has officially lost it
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 10:35 AM
Jan 2016

This is a Karl Rove tactic Hillary
Hillary is more desperate than we first thought.

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
64. So which is it? He has more experience, he's a socialist, a commie, or now part of Establishment
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 05:05 PM
Jan 2016

Get your act together Hill. Shades of desperation. Breathe, you're all over the place.

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