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Hmmm...What's missing from this Bernie Ad? (Original Post) Yavin4 Jan 2016 OP
Ethnic minorities will be your answer -- but run it back slowly and your answer would be wrong Armstead Jan 2016 #1
+1 beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #5
They're not even trying anymore. It must be so demoralizing n/t arcane1 Jan 2016 #9
I ran it at normal speed Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #10
I sure hope that's not what Yavin4 was going for. Beartracks Jan 2016 #39
Two African Americans. Two?!?! Yavin4 Jan 2016 #48
More than two....others in shots plus Hispanics and other groups Armstead Jan 2016 #55
+1, there should be too many to count but they're not catching on to that uponit7771 Jan 2016 #162
Cynacism Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #2
Hmm HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #3
White people? Hipsters? DanTex Jan 2016 #4
the truth? dlwickham Jan 2016 #6
Your desperation is showing. arcane1 Jan 2016 #11
Typical. Make a decision without any information and then attack others based on that decision. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #99
Nice zing... JimDandy Jan 2016 #156
You know what they say about assuming. artislife Jan 2016 #167
But I'm not assuming anything dlwickham Jan 2016 #174
Billionaires Wilms Jan 2016 #7
I got it! A cynical statement telling us to give up all hope! last1standing Jan 2016 #8
ome to look for America enid602 Jan 2016 #12
Fear? Loathing? n/t DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #13
We're nearly at 20! Now we get to watch you . . . pa28 Jan 2016 #14
Nothing. Because you're lying about what you're implying. nt valerief Jan 2016 #15
Otter Pops Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #16
I have no idea, because I have no desire to watch it KingFlorez Jan 2016 #17
You ought to watch it. Totally different from other "ads" Hestia Jan 2016 #19
Missing = fear Hestia Jan 2016 #18
+1 draa Jan 2016 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #20
Missing? HRC! sadoldgirl Jan 2016 #21
Substance. baldguy Jan 2016 #22
Wrong. Media pundits are raving about it. azmom Jan 2016 #26
There was another political as that media pundits raved about. baldguy Jan 2016 #32
Are you jealous baldguy? TM99 Jan 2016 #35
Reagan was the second worst President in living memory. baldguy Jan 2016 #69
You think this ad is propaganda TM99 Jan 2016 #72
Of course it's propaganda. baldguy Jan 2016 #75
Yes, because there is nothing more totalitarian than Simon and Garfunkel Bjorn Against Jan 2016 #81
Right. Art *can't* be used for totalitarian propaganda. baldguy Jan 2016 #84
You do a great job at satire Bjorn Against Jan 2016 #86
I'm sure you're equally dismissive of "progressive" Berniestas baldguy Jan 2016 #90
So how did we move from the totalitarian tendencies of Art Garfunkel to Darrel Issa? Bjorn Against Jan 2016 #95
They are both being used to harm the progressive movement and the Democratic Party. baldguy Jan 2016 #112
OH. MY. GOD. LOOK AT THIS TOTALITARIAN PROPAGANDA VIDEO I FOUND!!! Bjorn Against Jan 2016 #138
Then you didn't watch it. TM99 Jan 2016 #91
Trying to claim that propaganda isn't *really* propaganda is really propaganda. baldguy Jan 2016 #103
Show me any campaign ad TM99 Jan 2016 #105
. baldguy Jan 2016 #127
Be careful TM99 Jan 2016 #146
SIMON AND GARFUNKEL ARE SPREADING RUMORS TO HARM AMURICA!!!! Bjorn Against Jan 2016 #111
My goodness, that is quote a mouthfull. pangaia Jan 2016 #121
What you are putting out here is propaganda too notadmblnd Jan 2016 #139
It worked Armstead Jan 2016 #71
At setting America on the path to destruction. baldguy Jan 2016 #73
BERNIE'S GOING TO DESTOY AMERICA!!! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #74
Exactly. baldguy Jan 2016 #80
Don't you know it's gonna be alright? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #83
Dude, you need a valium! TM99 Jan 2016 #93
And TM99 wins alert, 6 to 1! Divernan Jan 2016 #130
And some try to argue TM99 Jan 2016 #145
Look .... I have avoided pressing the big button with the red X ... Trajan Jan 2016 #137
OTOH, the much-maligned "establishment Democrats" have been there for decades, DJ13 Jan 2016 #150
So Bernie is gong set America on the path to destruction with an innocuous ad Armstead Jan 2016 #79
Sanders has feet. You know who else had feet? That's right. Hitler. Hitler had feet. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #116
And we all know that media pundits are always right . . . Empowerer Jan 2016 #96
When did DU members.. asuhornets Jan 2016 #149
LOL azmom Jan 2016 #154
Missing, a lying Chelsea? azmom Jan 2016 #23
Nothing cali Jan 2016 #24
Where are the kittehs? Beartracks Jan 2016 #25
Here: beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #36
LOL Thanks! Beartracks Jan 2016 #41
I edited it, found a better pic! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #42
You certainly did! Beartracks Jan 2016 #47
The people pictured in this ad look like the people in America. PatrickforO Jan 2016 #27
That ad EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #28
Llamas! R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2016 #29
Well, then, here are some to tide you over: Maedhros Jan 2016 #141
You got your 20 posts, and then some. Where are you? arcane1 Jan 2016 #30
Probably done gone. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2016 #34
I think we know what's missing now. pa28 Jan 2016 #38
Credibility? arcane1 Jan 2016 #45
I like the ad. It's a beautiful song./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #31
I am so sick of white racist Clinton supporters TM99 Jan 2016 #33
To some, race is just another means to an end, nothing more. arcane1 Jan 2016 #37
It shows me that they really are not liberals or leftists even. TM99 Jan 2016 #40
Exactly. It's a game of good cop/bad cop with some of these supposed "liberals" n/t arcane1 Jan 2016 #43
boom. right there. arcane1 nailed it navarth Jan 2016 #85
Sooooo. You have no problem with a campaign video of predominately White Americans? Yavin4 Jan 2016 #53
Awwwwww.... you came back to complain that there wasn't enough minorities. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2016 #60
So you are a mind reader too? TM99 Jan 2016 #61
I am not seeing very many black faces in this video... Bjorn Against Jan 2016 #78
OH BINGO, BINGO, BINGO Armstead Jan 2016 #82
Bazinga! HRC's ad: all white, all the time! Divernan Jan 2016 #135
I clicked the link, and got a video with Killer Mike and also with this. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #159
Turtles!!! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #44
I thought it was pretty gwheezie Jan 2016 #46
The lyrics that make the song: taught_me_patience Jan 2016 #49
Oh wow, I didn 't actually watch the ad Cal Carpenter Jan 2016 #140
There are no words in the ad, so check it out. n/t JimDandy Jan 2016 #157
African Americans were missing. The most loyal voting bloc in the Democratic party. Yavin4 Jan 2016 #50
As suspected, this was a dishonest OP from the beginning, and you've been made a fool of arcane1 Jan 2016 #51
Just more shit. draa Jan 2016 #54
There were 3 lone African Americans in that video. THREE!!!! Yavin4 Jan 2016 #57
You said there were TWO!!! upthread. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #58
Hey, phony outrage is hard enough without bringing MATH into it!! arcane1 Jan 2016 #66
Sesame Street can help with that: beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #67
LOL Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #153
When you start arguing about whether there were two or three brown faces in the video Empowerer Jan 2016 #97
You should tell that to your associate, he's the one counting dark faces. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #101
Whoosh! n/t Empowerer Jan 2016 #104
You got that right, I never argued about whether there were two or three. So this is you: beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #108
I don't give a fuck if there was ZERO in it. draa Jan 2016 #64
Good grief, look at reply #39. Beartracks Jan 2016 #161
That was a flat out lie that you should be ashamed of. I feel sorry for you. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2016 #65
SOME Clinton supports have no problem exploiting race if it means gaining a vote or two. arcane1 Jan 2016 #68
You might want to head over to a few other threads to express your outrage about "exploiting race" Empowerer Jan 2016 #102
You are funny. TM99 Jan 2016 #109
African Americans made that ad, are they exploiting themselves? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #114
The Clinton desperation...it hurts. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2016 #169
Except they aren't. You just made that up. pa28 Jan 2016 #76
When Bernie was walking MLK Hillary was supporting Berry Goldwater awake Jan 2016 #77
Wanna count the POC in this new Clinton video? Armstead Jan 2016 #92
I think I counted three TM99 Jan 2016 #100
I guess you missed the classroom of African American children that she was in n/t Yavin4 Jan 2016 #136
Oh that was just staged propaganda TM99 Jan 2016 #144
As an African American I approve this message. underthematrix Jan 2016 #113
That's fine.....as long as you don't complain about the number of POC faces in Bernie's ad Armstead Jan 2016 #115
This is not communist Russia so you don't get to make rules about what I underthematrix Jan 2016 #118
COMMIES! COMMIES EVERYWHERE!!!1! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #122
Have you read Green Eggs and Ham? underthematrix Jan 2016 #124
Is it about commies too? When it comes to propaganda I prefer cinema: beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #128
Of course you do. That's what a typical Fox Hate News viewer would say underthematrix Jan 2016 #132
Well I'll just have to take your word for what Fox viewers think. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #134
Somehow I suspect if that had Clinton in it instead of Sanders yoi'd call it brilliant Armstead Jan 2016 #125
You don't need forgiveness. My esteem is not tied to what you think underthematrix Jan 2016 #129
I'll agree with the "fierce" part Armstead Jan 2016 #131
from the reading public's perspective, it's both underthematrix Jan 2016 #133
HILLARY CLINTON has the only POC in her ad that matters to the underthematrix Jan 2016 #117
Yes she shifted so well from her attacks on him in 2008 Armstead Jan 2016 #119
yes she has and I'm here for it. As my beloved President said, Hillary will make an underthematrix Jan 2016 #123
African-Americans are not Sanders base KingFlorez Jan 2016 #106
Try again Depaysement Jan 2016 #143
Its a big deal, you're not the only one who pointed that out and the replies were it was for Iowa uponit7771 Jan 2016 #163
You're WRONG and lying on purpose. Welcome to my Forever Ignored club. nt valerief Jan 2016 #168
Hmmm...What's missing from this Bernie Ad? R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2016 #52
Do you realize how offensive this is at this point? Prism Jan 2016 #59
They're back to "Sanders and all who support him are racist" since nothing else has worked. arcane1 Jan 2016 #62
Warmongering? A slew of lies? in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #63
How the fuck did I miss you? Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #70
I thnk this ad is supposed to appeal to Iowa voters... Mike Nelson Jan 2016 #87
And God forbid they think that Bernie likes black people? Empowerer Jan 2016 #107
No, but chances are the ad reflects Iowa's level of diversity. Beartracks Jan 2016 #164
Race baiting and red baiting. Feels like Hillary's losing '08 campaign all over. morningfog Jan 2016 #88
Thousands of dead Iraqis and American soldiers? JackBeck Jan 2016 #89
There is no way you can trash that ad. No way. It's probably best political ad ever made. Vinca Jan 2016 #94
Hillary has fallen to desperate identity politics now LittleBlue Jan 2016 #98
Hillary? Beacool Jan 2016 #148
...."Paid for by Hedge Fund managers for economic freedom?" Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #110
it doesn't have any War Porn like Hillary's does? Agony Jan 2016 #120
It didn't beat the "terra terra terra, fear fear fear" drum by talking about "keeping us safe"? kath Jan 2016 #166
Read the comments... pangaia Jan 2016 #126
You are just pathetic. Maedhros Jan 2016 #142
It's a feel good ad. Beacool Jan 2016 #147
It lacks cowbell. dflprincess Jan 2016 #151
There was no sparkling unicorn. onecaliberal Jan 2016 #152
Wow. It is seriously time for me to update my ignore list. liberal_at_heart Jan 2016 #155
In the 1-minute ad, there are several shots of AAs with Bernie senz Jan 2016 #158
See! See! It's crass exploitism! R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2016 #170
Iowa ad aimed at Iowans featuring Iowans Beartracks Jan 2016 #160
You are so not cool. Kalidurga Jan 2016 #165
Trashing this thread! B Calm Jan 2016 #171
Another Hillarian lesson in how to learn NOTHING from prior mistakes: 99Forever Jan 2016 #172
This lady? RandiFan1290 Jan 2016 #173

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
10. I ran it at normal speed
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 07:57 PM
Jan 2016

and saw many people of various skin tones.

However, that doesn't fit their narrative, so they follow after their chosen candidate and do as she would. Lie.

Beartracks

(12,809 posts)
39. I sure hope that's not what Yavin4 was going for.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:19 PM
Jan 2016

I spotted persons of color throughout the video, even before I came across this thread. Here's some timestamps for the color-blind:

0:21
0:31
0:33 (scattered)
0:40
0:41
0:43
0:44
0:56

=================================

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
48. Two African Americans. Two?!?!
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:28 PM
Jan 2016

The most loyal voting bloc in the entire Democratic party can't make his campaign video.

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
6. the truth?
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 07:56 PM
Jan 2016

I haven't watched it but from past experiences with Sanders and his supporters, I'd bet a few bucks on that

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
99. Typical. Make a decision without any information and then attack others based on that decision.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:28 PM
Jan 2016

I see why you support Hillary.



last1standing

(11,709 posts)
8. I got it! A cynical statement telling us to give up all hope!
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 07:57 PM
Jan 2016

That's something you'll never miss in a NoHope Hillary ad.

Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
22. Substance.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:08 PM
Jan 2016

But then, it's a typical, boring, campaign ad. Could be put out by anybody, for any office.

It's just, if it had a "Hillary for President" label at the end, the Berniestas would be whining about how phony it was, and how much of a Republican it made her look like - but will deny up & down that it makes the Dear Leader look nothing of the sort.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
26. Wrong. Media pundits are raving about it.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:12 PM
Jan 2016

Words being used to describe it are hopeful, positive, inspirational, beautiful. It's a big hit.
I love it.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
32. There was another political as that media pundits raved about.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:16 PM
Jan 2016

Still do, in fact.



And it's actualy more substantive than the one in the OP.
 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
35. Are you jealous baldguy?
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:18 PM
Jan 2016

I mean Reagan was elected twice.

I am sure we will all give you hugs and a shoulder to cry on during the long 8 years that Sander is president.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
69. Reagan was the second worst President in living memory.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:46 PM
Jan 2016

Having Sanders emulate the look & feel of his campaign ads should at least give you pause, with the realization that propaganda isn't something to be trusted, much less praised.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
72. You think this ad is propaganda
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:52 PM
Jan 2016

about how great America is?

You don't know the song that is playing then. You don't realize what Sanders is standing for. And you don't realize that he is in this for all of us, while Clinton is in this just so she can be president.

Clinton is worst than Reagan. She is like Nixon.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
75. Of course it's propaganda.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:55 PM
Jan 2016

If cognitive dissonance is a requirement for your dogma, you may be a totalitarian.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
86. You do a great job at satire
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:13 PM
Jan 2016

I almost thought you were serious, but unless you are Sarah Palin you could not possibly believe Art Garfunkel is spreading totalitarian propaganda. Now I realize that you are not serious, you are just impersonating Sarah Palin. Thanks for the laugh.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
90. I'm sure you're equally dismissive of "progressive" Berniestas
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:18 PM
Jan 2016

unironically recycling every scandal crafted by the VRWC from the Clinton administration, or Darrel Issa's latest conspiracy theories about Hillary.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
95. So how did we move from the totalitarian tendencies of Art Garfunkel to Darrel Issa?
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:24 PM
Jan 2016

Sorry, you were doing a great job mocking Sarah Palin with your claims that Simon and Garfunkel are totalitarian, but now you are losing your comedic edge.

What the hell does Darrel Issa have to do with this? I sure as hell don't know any Bernie supporters that support Darrel Issa.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
138. OH. MY. GOD. LOOK AT THIS TOTALITARIAN PROPAGANDA VIDEO I FOUND!!!
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 10:14 PM
Jan 2016

DON'T LET THE CHILDREN SEE OR THEY MIGHT BECOME TOTALITARIANS WHO TAKE DOWN THE PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!111!!

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
91. Then you didn't watch it.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:20 PM
Jan 2016

And you don't know the lyrics of the song.

This coming from a supporter whose campaign changes like a weathervane is rich!

Be careful who you accuse of cognitive dissonance and totalitarianism, it might come back to bite you in the ass. I am feeling rather magnanimous tonight so I won't shove all of your candidate and supporters actions that match those in your face.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
103. Trying to claim that propaganda isn't *really* propaganda is really propaganda.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:29 PM
Jan 2016
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/propaganda

noun
1.
information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.
2.
the deliberate spreading of such information, rumors, etc.
3.
the particular doctrines or principles propagated by an organization or movement.


Bernie Sanders has been a political animal for over 40 yrs. To believe that he's managed to remain pure, and above the fray in all that time is delusional.

OF COURSE IT'S PROPAGANDA!!
 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
105. Show me any campaign ad
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:31 PM
Jan 2016

that doesn't meet your definition of 'propaganda'.

Come on. Pony up and shut up!

I will wait.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
139. What you are putting out here is propaganda too
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 10:16 PM
Jan 2016

I don't see why you are complaining about someone else putting it out? You've demonstrated with your post that it is an acceptable tool for use in regards to politics when you engaged in the use of it yourself.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
80. Exactly.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:01 PM
Jan 2016

For Bernie's Revolution to happen, it requires revolutionaries.

And that doesn't mean people waking up in the fall and thinking their one vote one year later for one guy will change things. It means working year after year, decade after decade. It means getting like-minded people elected to office. It means mayors, it means city councilmen, it means county & state legislators, it means governors, House members and Senators.

These are the kind of people Bernie has repeatedly refused to help. And he's conning his supporters into believing that the "revolution" will be accomplished with a one-man band. The one man being Bernie.

The crashing disappointment they'll feel when they realized they've been mercilessly scammed will harm the progressive cause for decades to come.

Which is exactly what the GOP is hoping for.

OTOH, the much-maligned "establishment Democrats" have been there for decades, working to create the very revolution Berniestas seem to have just discovered.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
130. And TM99 wins alert, 6 to 1!
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:47 PM
Jan 2016

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Trajan

(19,089 posts)
137. Look .... I have avoided pressing the big button with the red X ...
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:53 PM
Jan 2016

But ... You are posting some pretty tall tales there ...

Tell you what - I'll continue to listen to your rantings, and when the show continues and the unknowns become known ...

Then ? ... We can see if your rantings were correct, or if they missed the mark and got you all worked up for nuthin ...

The clear sunlight of the past will illuminate the validity of your points ... or not ....

Good luck with that .... See you then ...

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
150. OTOH, the much-maligned "establishment Democrats" have been there for decades,
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:44 PM
Jan 2016

working to create the very revolution Berniestas seem to have just discovered.



What "revolution" have the establishment Dems done that has improved the lives of the average person since Carter?

It seems that if you were right there would be no real passion behind Bernie's campaign, but its Hillary that has the campaign that has no passion in the message she's delivering.

Bernie is running because the establishment politicians (a conservative is a conservative with conservative policies regardless of party) are incapable of changing directions as long as they insist on playing the game like everyone else, by selling access and favors for campaign donations.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
79. So Bernie is gong set America on the path to destruction with an innocuous ad
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:59 PM
Jan 2016

Yes I understand the connection totally. Makes perfect sense.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
116. Sanders has feet. You know who else had feet? That's right. Hitler. Hitler had feet.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:37 PM
Jan 2016

Just like friendly, frumpy, supposedly harmless Vermont Senator Bernie Samders and his supposedly harmless feet, the genocidal dictator of Nazi Germany, he too had feet. Two.

Two Feet.

The same NUMBER of feet as Bernie Sanders, even.

Makes you think, doesn't it?


Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
96. And we all know that media pundits are always right . . .
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:24 PM
Jan 2016

at least if they're saying something positive about one particular candidate or something negative about one particular other one . . .

Otherwise, they're corrupt, stupid tools.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
149. When did DU members..
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:20 PM
Jan 2016

praise the media pundits?????? You Bernie Sanders supporters are pretty cocky. That fall is going to hurt..

PatrickforO

(14,572 posts)
27. The people pictured in this ad look like the people in America.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:12 PM
Jan 2016

This is a diverse crowd.

But I guess the pictures don't fit the talking points...

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
28. That ad
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:14 PM
Jan 2016

is ridiculously effective...

I literally just showed a campaign ad to someone. WTF?!

Seriously though, that's some pretty special ad-ifying.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
33. I am so sick of white racist Clinton supporters
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:16 PM
Jan 2016

attacking Sanders supposed lack of connection with minorities.

Did y'all learn nothing from 2008?

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
37. To some, race is just another means to an end, nothing more.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:18 PM
Jan 2016

They'll do a complete 180 on the topic if they think they can get an extra vote out of it.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
40. It shows me that they really are not liberals or leftists even.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:19 PM
Jan 2016

It is disgusting but so now shocked or surprised anymore by it.

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
53. Sooooo. You have no problem with a campaign video of predominately White Americans?
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:32 PM
Jan 2016

If this was a Republican video, you would be quick to point it out.

You must be an Academy Award voter.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
60. Awwwwww.... you came back to complain that there wasn't enough minorities.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:39 PM
Jan 2016

Stop with the race-baiting BS please.

You failed splendidly.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
61. So you are a mind reader too?
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:39 PM
Jan 2016

Show me the same posts constantly calling Clinton out on her predominantly white (and small I might add!) crowds.

You sure you want to get into it with me on race? Be careful how you answer.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
78. I am not seeing very many black faces in this video...
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:58 PM
Jan 2016


I am sure you will be starting a thread soon to condemn the lack of diversity in Hillary's new ad. If you are OK with Hillary putting out an ad like this then you must be an Academy Award voter.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
159. I clicked the link, and got a video with Killer Mike and also with this.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 02:06 AM
Jan 2016


Lots of people of color in this video. I'm confused.
 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
49. The lyrics that make the song:
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:30 PM
Jan 2016

"Kathy, I'm lost", I said,
Though I know she was sleeping.
"I'm empty and aching and
I don't know why."

It's not an uplifting song.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
140. Oh wow, I didn 't actually watch the ad
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 10:32 PM
Jan 2016

and don't plan to (I only landed on this thread because of a jury I was on) but wow that's the song, huh. That song brings me to tears almost every time. One more reason not to watch the ad (I really prefer to just read the candidate's words and avoid a lot of the noise, including things like ads and basically anything in GD: P, ha) because of the whole heartstrings thing but I find it very interesting that his campaign chose that song in an ad.

And now I'll drown the melancholy which that song taps into with an adult beverage.

Edited to get rid of the that inevitably appears when I type in the abbreviation for this forum...

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
50. African Americans were missing. The most loyal voting bloc in the Democratic party.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:30 PM
Jan 2016

White America voted en masse for Reagan in 1984. African Americans did not. YET, we can't make Bernie's campaign video, and folks here don't think that it's a big deal.

draa

(975 posts)
54. Just more shit.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:34 PM
Jan 2016

Fucking stop. It's unbecoming of Democrats to stoop to that level. We know where you're going and it's not good so stop.

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
57. There were 3 lone African Americans in that video. THREE!!!!
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:35 PM
Jan 2016

A voting bloc that goes 85% to 95% Democratic, yet there were only 3 African Americans in that video!!!!!!!!!!!!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
58. You said there were TWO!!! upthread.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:36 PM
Jan 2016

Make up your mind.

I saw many different shades but then I'm not using a magnifying glass.

You should get a new hobby, I hear extreme ironing is fun and exciting.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
97. When you start arguing about whether there were two or three brown faces in the video
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:27 PM
Jan 2016

you may want to leave it there and move on to something else . . .

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
101. You should tell that to your associate, he's the one counting dark faces.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:29 PM
Jan 2016

And getting all POUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!

Was that enough exclamation points? I want to capture just the right mood.

Maybe a few more just to be safe


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
108. You got that right, I never argued about whether there were two or three. So this is you:
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:32 PM
Jan 2016

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draa

(975 posts)
64. I don't give a fuck if there was ZERO in it.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:42 PM
Jan 2016

If you don't like the candidate don't vote for him. But this OP closing in on race baiting.

Beartracks

(12,809 posts)
161. Good grief, look at reply #39.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 02:12 AM
Jan 2016

I don't think that was the same 2-3 African Americans just being repeated over and over.

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arcane1

(38,613 posts)
68. SOME Clinton supports have no problem exploiting race if it means gaining a vote or two.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:45 PM
Jan 2016

And since she's poised to lose IA and NH, they're getting desperate.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
102. You might want to head over to a few other threads to express your outrage about "exploiting race"
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:29 PM
Jan 2016

There are plenty of them, but you can start at the most recent one, right here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511043274

See you later . . .

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
109. You are funny.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:32 PM
Jan 2016

So a positive video done by PoC to show their support of Sanders is 'exploiting race' but counting colored folks faces in a campaign ad almost always done here by lilly white Clinton supporters is not?

Good luck selling that horseshit!

awake

(3,226 posts)
77. When Bernie was walking MLK Hillary was supporting Berry Goldwater
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:56 PM
Jan 2016

Then Hillary went on to be on the Board of Walmart while Bernie was fighting for workers so I think you will find that what is truly missing was Hillary standing up for workers of all colors and only backing gay marriage when the winds changed.....

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
144. Oh that was just staged propaganda
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:07 PM
Jan 2016

or so I have been told by your fellow Clinton supporters. That wasn't really real.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
113. As an African American I approve this message.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:35 PM
Jan 2016

Great, great job!. This is an awesome ad!. This is 1000 xs better than faux Dem Bernie's WWP ad

Will share on Twitter, FB, Google+, Instagram and Pinterest

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
118. This is not communist Russia so you don't get to make rules about what I
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:39 PM
Jan 2016

focus on in my replies.

Bernie's ad looks like something from the 1950s which is what I tweeted to my followers

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
134. Well I'll just have to take your word for what Fox viewers think.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:51 PM
Jan 2016
That's what a typical Fox Hate News viewer would say


You seem to be quite familiar with that mindset so I'll defer to your area of expertise. I prefer liberals for company.


 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
125. Somehow I suspect if that had Clinton in it instead of Sanders yoi'd call it brilliant
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:43 PM
Jan 2016

Maybe not....Just a wild guess. Forgive me if I'm wrong.

(P.S. The Clinton ad also portrays an idealized traditional America, when separated from the fear tactics, in this 2016 version of her 2008 3 a.m. phone call ad against Obama.)

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
129. You don't need forgiveness. My esteem is not tied to what you think
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:47 PM
Jan 2016

I'm good.

HRC learned some really hard lessons. Now she's using PBO's media playbook and doing a fantastic job. She's bringing it FIERCE and classy and I love it.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
119. Yes she shifted so well from her attacks on him in 2008
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:40 PM
Jan 2016

Maybe when she runs to succeed Bernie in nine years, she'll wrap herself in her close personal friendship and commitment to Bernie's agenda too

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
123. yes she has and I'm here for it. As my beloved President said, Hillary will make an
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:42 PM
Jan 2016

excellent President.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
106. African-Americans are not Sanders base
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:31 PM
Jan 2016

And that is absolutely okay. Every candidate has their base and that base does not always include every race. It's just how politics works.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
163. Its a big deal, you're not the only one who pointed that out and the replies were it was for Iowa
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 02:15 AM
Jan 2016
 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
59. Do you realize how offensive this is at this point?
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:37 PM
Jan 2016

Every single video now, we all have to sit here and play "Count the Brown Face"

It is racist as hell, appalling, and cynical.

And, btw, I did watch the video and there were faces of color in it. Plenty. I think, in your rush to play these anti-Democratic games, you missed a bunch of them.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
62. They're back to "Sanders and all who support him are racist" since nothing else has worked.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:40 PM
Jan 2016

It's been quite the coordinated assault today. And fails just as pathetically as the last dozen times the memo has gone out.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
63. Warmongering? A slew of lies?
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:42 PM
Jan 2016

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

There are AAs in that ad, so take your racist bullshit back to Hillaryclintonsupporters.com. They thrive on that crap over there, which I'm sure you know.

Mike Nelson

(9,953 posts)
87. I thnk this ad is supposed to appeal to Iowa voters...
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:13 PM
Jan 2016

...wouldn't work as well in other places, but I'm guessing hits his target audience.

Beartracks

(12,809 posts)
164. No, but chances are the ad reflects Iowa's level of diversity.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 02:15 AM
Jan 2016

Iowa's pretty white, and so is the ad. If you went out and took pictures of people all over Iowa doing Iowa things in their natural Iowan habitat, you'd probably come back with the same ratio of POCs in your portfolio.

You'd rather they artificially beef up the POC quotient?

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morningfog

(18,115 posts)
88. Race baiting and red baiting. Feels like Hillary's losing '08 campaign all over.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:14 PM
Jan 2016

All it's lacking is some Muslim garb for good measure.

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
94. There is no way you can trash that ad. No way. It's probably best political ad ever made.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:23 PM
Jan 2016

I'm sure if you check each and every little frame you will locate every minority. If that doesn't unknot your shorts, consider the cows: they're black and white. MOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
98. Hillary has fallen to desperate identity politics now
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:28 PM
Jan 2016

What a sad state of politics. Literally counting minorities as a commodity and using them as an argument against Bernie.

Guess there were too many women in the video to play the gender card, eh?

kath

(10,565 posts)
166. It didn't beat the "terra terra terra, fear fear fear" drum by talking about "keeping us safe"?
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 02:30 AM
Jan 2016

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
126. Read the comments...
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:43 PM
Jan 2016

Aside from the hate, many, many were by people who were really moved by it...To tears...

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
147. It's a feel good ad.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:16 PM
Jan 2016

It's well crafted and uplifting. I've seen similar ads from Hillary in 2008. Nothing wrong with this ad.

If you're referring to the lack of diversity, well, it's IA. Not too dissimilar from VT and NH in that respect. White as the eye can see.



 

senz

(11,945 posts)
158. In the 1-minute ad, there are several shots of AAs with Bernie
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 01:56 AM
Jan 2016

At 22 seconds, a lively young black woman is leading a group of Bernie supporters.

At 41 seconds, Bernie is greeting a black woman in a crowd.

At 42 seconds, Bernie has his arm around a happy, smiling young black woman.

At 43 seconds, Bernie's right hand is on the left shoulder of a beautiful young black woman apparently posing for a selfie being taken by her white male friend of the three of them.

Most of Bernie's direct interactions in the ad appear to be with African Americans.

Beartracks

(12,809 posts)
160. Iowa ad aimed at Iowans featuring Iowans
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 02:11 AM
Jan 2016

This appears to me to be an Iowa ad aimed at Iowans and featuring Iowans in advance of the Iowa primary. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the percentage of African Americans in the ad may actually be representative of Iowa...?

To artificially load the ad with extra POCs like it was NYC or Detroit or St. Louis -- to portray equal amounts of diversity -- would be disingenuous and a bit odd when you're trying to reflect Iowa, which as I understand is quite predominantly white. Also, doing such would likely bring forth cries from non-Bernie supporters that his campaign was exploiting persons of color for political gain!

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99Forever

(14,524 posts)
172. Another Hillarian lesson in how to learn NOTHING from prior mistakes:
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 08:47 AM
Jan 2016

This one is called "Race Baiting Failure Made Easy, v2.01."


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