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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 10:17 PM Jan 2016

They've Officially Jumped The Shark: Hillary Clinton Pins 'Establishment' Label On Bernie Sanders

Hillary Clinton pins 'establishment' label on Bernie Sanders
By Tal Kopan, CNN
Updated 6:38 PM ET, Thu January 21, 2016

<snip>

Washington (CNN)Hillary Clinton on Thursday sought to turn Sen. Bernie Sanders' "establishment" attack right back on him -- saying he served in Washington much longer than she did.

She also attacked his experience and fitness to lead the country, criticizing his suggestion that the U.S. should warm its relationship with Iran.

The Democratic front-runner told CNN's Wolf Blitzer on "The Situation Room" that Sanders' charge that Planned Parenthood and the Human Rights Campaign support Clinton because they are all part of the establishment didn't make sense to her.

"I just don't understand what that means. He's been in Congress, he's been elected to office a lot longer than I have," Clinton said.

She noted she only served in the Senate for eight years.

"He's been in the Congress for 25. And so I'll let your viewers make their own judgment," Clinton said.


<snip>

More: http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-establishment-iran-normalization/index.html








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They've Officially Jumped The Shark: Hillary Clinton Pins 'Establishment' Label On Bernie Sanders (Original Post) WillyT Jan 2016 OP
Poor Hillary can't figure it out. morningfog Jan 2016 #1
She inhaled FreakinDJ Jan 2016 #14
well then, lets get the guy who was there longer because he has more experience and roguevalley Jan 2016 #17
Yeah right... asuhornets Jan 2016 #56
beyond derailing the 2016 Clinton coronation! Change has come Jan 2016 #59
Further proof her campaign is in trouble. n/t TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #2
The shark called. He's had it with all of this Evil Kenevil bullshit. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #3
It is a Fonzie thing. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #7
I know. I've seen it. I was just playing around. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #12
and i love it. I haven't thought about evel in years. :D What a time, those days. LOL! roguevalley Jan 2016 #18
By the time she's done she'll be lucky to get anyone to vote for her. onecaliberal Jan 2016 #4
he's been elected to office a lot longer than I have Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #5
Exactly !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #16
Yes he is therefore far more experienced than Hillary Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #22
Perhaps he will promise to HubertHeaver Jan 2016 #48
Regarding Iran, Bernie & Barack want better relations. Hillary is the odd woman out on that one. reformist2 Jan 2016 #6
A new generation is coming up in Iran. We should not alienate them JDPriestly Jan 2016 #32
Desperate times call for blithering nonsense whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #8
blithering nonsense Wilms Jan 2016 #15
so she's the Washington outsider corkhead Jan 2016 #9
Hillary has been smoking too much purple. JRLeft Jan 2016 #10
Yes, Sanders has been a Statesperson for over 25 years... TheProgressive Jan 2016 #11
So out of touch Dems2002 Jan 2016 #13
She may have the worst tin ear in politics today. Attorney in Texas Jan 2016 #19
Orwell anyone? Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #20
I have spent two days trying to find the establishment organization DURHAM D Jan 2016 #21
That's seriously all you've got? Fawke Em Jan 2016 #24
I'm good. DURHAM D Jan 2016 #27
It used to be called The Human Rights Campaign Fund. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2016 #35
I don't have a problem sweety. DURHAM D Jan 2016 #39
uummmm Loudestlib Jan 2016 #51
Wasn't it changed to just "Campaign" something like 20 years ago? By the way... George II Jan 2016 #53
Pay no mind. It used to be called The Human Rights Campaign Fund. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2016 #43
Oh, I know. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #45
Yup votesparks Jan 2016 #23
Well, Hillary I've made my judgment, and you ain't it. EndElectoral Jan 2016 #25
all those years in DC yet none of his peers will endorse him lol nt msongs Jan 2016 #26
To be fair HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #29
I wouldn't call most of those bought politicians Ron Green Jan 2016 #42
Well if she really means to let us make our own judgements... I think we have... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #28
Are you serious? retrowire Jan 2016 #30
Just this week's fuck-up. bvf Jan 2016 #34
Hillary Clinton wants war with Iran fbc Jan 2016 #31
Sad, sad desperation. SoapBox Jan 2016 #33
Right. A guy who's spent 25 yrs in DC and 40 yrs in politics CAN'T be part of the "establishment". baldguy Jan 2016 #36
Hill, the self serving politician dissing on dae Jan 2016 #37
Well, at least she's figured out what her problem is Jack Rabbit Jan 2016 #38
WTF libodem Jan 2016 #40
scatter gun approach... Javaman Jan 2016 #41
He's not qualified! He has only 25 years of experience to my 8! Gore1FL Jan 2016 #44
"Who writes this stuff?" One of her 200 financial advisers. closeupready Jan 2016 #52
she's officially lost her mind... no one believes a thing that crosses those lips tomm2thumbs Jan 2016 #46
Lol...She Still Doesn't Get It billhicks76 Jan 2016 #47
She is absolutely correct. murielm99 Jan 2016 #49
Oh, Hillary and her antidisestablishmentarianism. mhatrw Jan 2016 #50
Bless her heart. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #54
and there goes the HRC's campaign Kalidurga Jan 2016 #55
That's 25 years of being a thorn in the establishment. Eric J in MN Jan 2016 #57
Convenient definition of "establishment." She's really flailing now. merrily Jan 2016 #58
Therefore, Bernie has more experience and will make a better President. Bernblu Jan 2016 #60
"I just don't understand what that means. He's been in Congress, he's SamKnause Jan 2016 #61
Stick a fork in her, she's done! Odin2005 Jan 2016 #62
Heh. n/t Orsino Jan 2016 #63
 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
1. Poor Hillary can't figure it out.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 10:21 PM
Jan 2016

I guess she wants is to believe Bernie is fighting against himself?

Poor Hillary, so scared she's going to lose AGAIN.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
17. well then, lets get the guy who was there longer because he has more experience and
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:01 PM
Jan 2016

contacts than her. This slag cuts both ways. She wasn't there so she isn't as experienced or she's more experienced and he's something else. What is it? Besides panic.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
4. By the time she's done she'll be lucky to get anyone to vote for her.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 10:28 PM
Jan 2016

That scorched earth approach is going have the opposite effect of what she hopes. Off to donate to Bernie again!

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
5. he's been elected to office a lot longer than I have
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 10:29 PM
Jan 2016

The real headline is that she finally admits that he is far more experienced than she is.



reformist2

(9,841 posts)
6. Regarding Iran, Bernie & Barack want better relations. Hillary is the odd woman out on that one.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 10:30 PM
Jan 2016

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
32. A new generation is coming up in Iran. We should not alienate them
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:52 PM
Jan 2016

from the get-go. It's a tough call.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
8. Desperate times call for blithering nonsense
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 10:31 PM
Jan 2016

How dumb would someone have to be to buy this kind of stuff?

 

TheProgressive

(1,656 posts)
11. Yes, Sanders has been a Statesperson for over 25 years...
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 10:39 PM
Jan 2016

I can't believe how dirty and how low a Democratic Presidential Candidate like Clinton can get...
Maybe I should remove the word Democratic from my post...

Dems2002

(509 posts)
13. So out of touch
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 10:42 PM
Jan 2016

During the first debate I had a thought...that Clinton bragging about all of her congressional endorsements was not actually a net positive for her.

Congress is really disliked. So I understand why she's trying to toss this at Bernie. But he's inoculated by virtue of having NOT been a member of the Democratic party.

I've always been a registered Democrat. That doesn't mean I love the party, and I particularly don't love the DNC or DC Dems in general.

Her advisors don't get it. This charge isn't going to float because people know his record. Or they don't know him at all. He is the opposite of establishment because he's an iconoclast.

DURHAM D

(33,090 posts)
21. I have spent two days trying to find the establishment organization
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:16 PM
Jan 2016

called the Human Rights Funds. The google is apparently broken.

BS was just on MSNBC talking about the Human Rights Fund again. Maybe the google will find it tomorrow.

DURHAM D

(33,090 posts)
27. I'm good.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:38 PM
Jan 2016

I understand that he is just not that into us gay folks enough to learn the name of our largest organization.

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,497 posts)
35. It used to be called The Human Rights Campaign Fund.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:57 PM
Jan 2016

Maybe it was before your time. Bernie's slip of the tongue shows me he's a supporter that goes way back.

I still have cancelled checks made out to the "Fund".

Not sure what your problem is with him calling it a fund.



http://www.hrc.org/hrc-story/about-our-logo

When HRCF was founded in 1980, it was primarily a fund for supporting pro-fairness congressional candidates. The rebranding in 1995 announced to the country that, in the words of then- Executive Director Elizabeth Birch, "We're so much more than a fund."




Now you found it. You're welcome.

DURHAM D

(33,090 posts)
39. I don't have a problem sweety.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 12:08 AM
Jan 2016

But, he is running for national office so he should get into the 21st century.

oan - Why do you keep cancelled checks for that long?

George II

(67,782 posts)
53. Wasn't it changed to just "Campaign" something like 20 years ago? By the way...
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 01:14 AM
Jan 2016

I love their acronym. Maybe that's why they dropped the "Fund" so it would be HRC???

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,497 posts)
43. Pay no mind. It used to be called The Human Rights Campaign Fund.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 12:17 AM
Jan 2016

Bernie is just old school.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
45. Oh, I know.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 12:38 AM
Jan 2016

That's why I said that.

And I even vaguely remember it. I think they merged in the late 80s when I started becoming politically aware.

On edit: I see from your post above it was in the 90s. But I do remember it being called, "Fund."

Thanks for that link!

Ron Green

(9,874 posts)
42. I wouldn't call most of those bought politicians
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 12:17 AM
Jan 2016

his "peers." They're part of the old paradigm. What we must be rid of.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
28. Well if she really means to let us make our own judgements... I think we have...
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:42 PM
Jan 2016

But, I'm pretty sure she doesn't even mean THAT.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
30. Are you serious?
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:45 PM
Jan 2016

Is she serious?

Oh... my....

I can't even... She's playing dumb with this. Right? Tell me she's playing dumb. "I just don't understand what that means."????

And then she tries to project, thinking that the "establishment" is politics itself? Haha, HAHAHAAHAHAHA

No way! This is crazy stupid!

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
34. Just this week's fuck-up.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:57 PM
Jan 2016

Trying to stanch the bleed from her soft (i.e., non-1%) support.

Nothing seems to be working.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
33. Sad, sad desperation.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:56 PM
Jan 2016

Hell, she's just swinging wildly in all directions...left, right, up and down.

Not Presidential material.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
36. Right. A guy who's spent 25 yrs in DC and 40 yrs in politics CAN'T be part of the "establishment".
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:59 PM
Jan 2016

dae

(3,396 posts)
37. Hill, the self serving politician dissing on
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 12:00 AM
Jan 2016

Bernie, America's most selfless and longest serving Public Servant.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
38. Well, at least she's figured out what her problem is
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 12:04 AM
Jan 2016

However, calling Bernie an establishmentarian isn't going to help. If I thought she meant that, I dismiss her as projecting her flaws onto her opponent. Since I think she knows better, I'll just accuse her of being twisted.

Javaman

(65,978 posts)
41. scatter gun approach...
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 12:15 AM
Jan 2016

they are throwing everything at the wall and hoping something sticks.

hillary, nothing is sticking, except for maybe the fork in you.

Gore1FL

(22,982 posts)
44. He's not qualified! He has only 25 years of experience to my 8!
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 12:35 AM
Jan 2016

Who writes this stuff?

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
46. she's officially lost her mind... no one believes a thing that crosses those lips
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 12:41 AM
Jan 2016

oh, well, maybe if she is sincere enough and apologizes....




Yep, that's called political-insider non-apology double-speak. Well honed and delivered. Thanks for confirming who really is the insider 'establishment' candidate in this race.... thanks so very much.




 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
47. Lol...She Still Doesn't Get It
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 12:53 AM
Jan 2016

Being selfish and foolish is not a good combination. She really has no shame. Hubris. Just like Bush.

Eric J in MN

(35,639 posts)
57. That's 25 years of being a thorn in the establishment.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 01:25 AM
Jan 2016

Voting against:
The Persian Gulf War
The Iraq War
The Patriot Act
Retroactive Immunity for phone companies
The repeal of Glass-Steagall

Bernblu

(441 posts)
60. Therefore, Bernie has more experience and will make a better President.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 02:51 AM
Jan 2016

As this is a argument she always claims for herself, her campaign has become incoherent. She must think voters are morons.

SamKnause

(14,945 posts)
61. "I just don't understand what that means. He's been in Congress, he's
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:22 AM
Jan 2016

been elected to office a lot longer than I have," Clinton said.


You might be part of the establishment if;


1. You give paid speeches to corporations.

2. You take money from Wall Street and corporations for your presidential campaign.

3. Your endorsements from organizations are from people in power (the establishment) bypassing

the rights of the individuals to vote for your endorsement.

4. You left the White House broke after your husbands administration and you are now

worth $111 million dollars. (You would not be part of the establishment if you won

the lottery. Being part of the establishment means having connections in high places; the government,

banking institutions, Wall Street, the MIC, etc.)



I guess I need some sense shaken into me because I understand what being part of the

establishment is.

Hillary is the establishment.







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