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FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:22 PM Jan 2016

Will Hillary protect Social Security

Just as we were shocked to see Obama put Social Security "On the Table" is Hillary already signaling "Its a Done Deal" supporting Paul Ryan's plan ?


Why It's Misleading to Swear to Protect the Poor's Social-Security Benefits


In the Democratic debate in Las Vegas last week, presidential candidate Hillary Clinton was asked by CNN’s Dana Bash whether she supported Bernie Sanders’s plan to expand Social Security. She didn’t give the clearest answer: “Well, I fully support Social Security … and the most important fight we’re going to have is defending it against continuing Republican efforts to privatize it,” she responded, in part. She didn’t say yes. Instead, she said that she favored increasing benefits for the poorest people in the program.

That specific phrase, which is similar to Donald Trump’s stated position on the matter, worried some who want to protect Social Security. Their concern is that any deal that increases benefits for the poorest retirees will also involve cutting benefits for the middle class—and they fear the political consequences of doing so.

A plan like that is currently on the table, though Clinton is unlikely to support it. It’s being proposed by Representative Paul Ryan, who chairs the House Ways and Means Committee, and it’s claimed to protect the “poorest recipients” from cuts. Ryan’s proposal is a recycled version of an older plan, originally put forward by George W. Bush’s administration, that would have reduced benefits for the upper 70 percent of earners and maintained them for the bottom 30 percent. In 2010, when Ryan first proposed this plan, the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities concluded that it would produce “a system in which Social Security is very unattractive to affluent people.”


So while Clinton has not yet put forward a plan to keep Social Security solvent and equitable, the choices she has are limited and well defined.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/10/hillary-social-security/411901/
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Will Hillary protect Social Security (Original Post) FreakinDJ Jan 2016 OP
On preserving SS, she is Paul Ryan in drag. She won't lift the cap leveymg Jan 2016 #1
She is a Republican millionaire. Wilms Jan 2016 #6
Someone has to pay for her next wars, and it won't be people leveymg Jan 2016 #12
No it won't. Wilms Jan 2016 #15
Isn't it the King who wears no clothes? leveymg Jan 2016 #17
And just think of the opportunities for modern technology and the entrepreneur kristopher Jan 2016 #28
She doesn't seem interested Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #2
I heard it the same way. Not a yes at all. hedda_foil Jan 2016 #3
Short answer: No. snoringvoter Jan 2016 #4
If by preserve you mean cut.... daleanime Jan 2016 #5
I don't trust any Third Way/DLC/"New" Democrat dflprincess Jan 2016 #7
No, she would offer it up in a New York minute. Autumn Jan 2016 #8
No, her stated policy is to add a means-tested bonus to lower-income people jeff47 Jan 2016 #9
No. Punkingal Jan 2016 #10
Has she committed to raising the cap yet? EndElectoral Jan 2016 #11
The Social Security scare card liberal N proud Jan 2016 #13
No! She'll protect the cap for the wealthy instead of making them pay their share like onecaliberal Jan 2016 #14
"Will Hillary protect Social Security" left-of-center2012 Jan 2016 #16
Well, she's also made a big deal on Sanders' Thom Hartmann program comments on "primarying Obama"... cascadiance Jan 2016 #18
Isn't she running for Obama's 3rd term as of the last debate? tk2kewl Jan 2016 #19
No. WillyT Jan 2016 #20
Not sure bigwillq Jan 2016 #21
I have zero trust in her. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #22
No. She cannot be trusted. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #23
Read what Hillary said about Social Security v e r y carefully. antigop Jan 2016 #24
Of course not. Next question. (N/T) Old Crow Jan 2016 #25
Another reason i'll never vote for her. ViseGrip Jan 2016 #26
Raise the Retirement Age gordyfl Jan 2016 #27
Any one of the three Dem BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #29
LOLOLOLOLOLOL.........no. Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #30
She will protect what her $pon$or$ want protected-nothing else. hobbit709 Jan 2016 #31
Increasing benefits for those not in the middle class. 250k raouldukelives Jan 2016 #32

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
1. On preserving SS, she is Paul Ryan in drag. She won't lift the cap
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:29 PM
Jan 2016

So she might as well be a Republican millionaire.

hedda_foil

(17,018 posts)
3. I heard it the same way. Not a yes at all.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:30 PM
Jan 2016

And we have learned some very hard lessons about what the meaning of is is.

Right now, the Republicans seem to be in favor of dumping the whole program, not just privatizing it.

dflprincess

(29,417 posts)
7. I don't trust any Third Way/DLC/"New" Democrat
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:32 PM
Jan 2016

(whatever the hell they call themselves these days)

when it comes to Social Security.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
9. No, her stated policy is to add a means-tested bonus to lower-income people
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:35 PM
Jan 2016

That way it becomes a program for "those people", and can be much more easily dismantled. Like Welfare.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
14. No! She'll protect the cap for the wealthy instead of making them pay their share like
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:42 PM
Jan 2016

Everyone else.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
18. Well, she's also made a big deal on Sanders' Thom Hartmann program comments on "primarying Obama"...
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:58 PM
Jan 2016

... when Bernie responded to a callers' concern about Obama negotiating cuts to social security that perhaps someone should primary him to get some discussion in a primary then on whether that should be done or not. Apparently Hillary's campaign had more of a problem with Bernie's thoughts on primarying Obama, making it sound like that was a big orchestrated plan on his part.

Well, given that she seems to think that was more of a problem than Obama's threats to cut social security, maybe we should also be allowed to interpret those comments and her campaigns reaction to it that she felt Obama should be protected in wanting to cut social security and therefore would be willing and perhaps even want to cut social security herself. The speculation game can be played both ways if they want to start it!!!

gordyfl

(598 posts)
27. Raise the Retirement Age
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 02:28 AM
Jan 2016

Not long ago Hillary was asked if she would allow raising the retirement age. She gave a vague answer. I don't trust her on this issue.

BlueMTexpat

(15,700 posts)
29. Any one of the three Dem
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:49 AM
Jan 2016

candidates will support SS.

None of the GOPers will.

That is the essential difference.

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