IVN Prediction: Sanders, Trump Will Win Iowa – But Party Insiders Will Take the Delegates

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IVN Prediction: Sanders, Trump Will Win Iowa – But Party Insiders Will Take the Delegates
By IVN News - Jan 21, 2016

Looking ahead to the Iowa Caucuses on Tuesday, February 1, IVN predicts that Republican candidate Donald Trump and Democratic candidate Bernie Sanders will win their respective caucuses. However, IVN further predicts that the parties will find a way to take these wins away from them.

This year, though the media reports a tight race going into the Republican and Democratic caucuses, IVN predicts that Trump and Sanders will take the popular vote and win their respective contests.

The Republican leadership has frequently rebuked the candidacy of Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders is often at odds with the Democratic National Committee, which briefly denied him access to the party’s voter database in December and scheduled a limited number of debates on the weekend, an inconvenient time for a presidential primary debate.

This is why IVN further predicts that the parties will manipulate the private party rules that determine the allocation of delegates, including changing convention rules or going against the will of caucus voters, to make sure Sanders and Trump don’t get to eat the fruits of their victories.

It wouldn’t be the first time the parties have stepped in to alter the outcome in the nomination process.

http://truthinmedia.com/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-iowa-caucus/

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. The gravamen of the article is that Ron Paul really won the 2012 GOP nomination

The gravamen of the article is that Ron Paul really won the 2012 GOP nomination and it was stolen from him.


Do you believe it?


Thank you in advance.


Respectfully,

DSB

[restorefreedom]

5. i DO believe that the party messed with his delegates, even if not an outcome changer.

i knew this was not necessarily the most reliable or journalistic source. but for me the important takeaway is that the idea of party insiders overriding the will of the people on either side is even being floated as a legitimate option.

i find that beyond appalling and this time, it will destroy potentially two parties if they attempt it.

thanks for commenting on my thread, dsb!

[Thinkingabout]

2. Delegated taken away by party insiders? Delegates in most of the states are

By apportionment, which means the "party insiders" will be giving delegates in other states to the candidates to the different candidates. This means the "winner" will not be getting all of the delegates in a state. It is not a conspiracy.

[restorefreedom]

6. apportionment if based on popular vote, is completely sensible.

reapportioning them to give a candidate a win over another with the popular support is dirty party politics and won't work.

thanks for your thoughts.

[Thinkingabout]

10. So in states when Hillary would win the popular vote you do not want the

Delegates which would be Sanders if given by apportionment?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

12. Huh?

[Thinkingabout]

13. Huh, you claim party insiders are going to use apportionment to assign

Delegates which is what is happening in Iowa and many other states. Are you saying the delegates in a stare should be given per winners of the popular vote or caucus? In doing this the poll numbers in 47 other states are pointing to Hillary and it would mean Sanders would only get the number of delegates in perhaps Iowa, NH and Vermont.

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14. i am by no means an expert on apportionment

i assumed the delegates were apportioned based on citizens vote, much as the ec is in some states in national elections.

is that incorrect?

[Thinkingabout]

15. In Iowa, delegates are apportionmented by the caucus results. With

The predictions the delegates will be given to candidates according to the percentage of the caucus results, as in Sanders gets probably more delegates than Hillary based on the poll numbers today. They will probably get twenty odd delegates apiece. This will occur in other states, some will be by voting results and caucuses, some will be by voting and some will be by caucus results.

[restorefreedom]

16. that is kind of what i thoughht it was.

thanks for the clarification. i think the concern raised in the article is that there would be some rule changing shenanigans to move earned delegates from one candidate to another. i don't see it happening, but it bothers me that people are even floating it.

then again, they need readers for their advertisers.......

[TheBlackAdder]

3. Nothing like a little Institutional Illegitimacy to further fracture the GOP! The Koch's approve. nt

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[restorefreedom]

7. and that is precisely why this election matters so much.

the kochs and their ilk as an influencer of politics has to end.

thanks for posting.

[snoringvoter]

9. .

Have a fantastic weekend!

[TheBlackAdder]

11. Fixed. Sometimes, the wiring between hands gets crossed.

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4. The 'private parties' on both sides will lose total control if it appears that they are not

fulfilling the will of the voters. I don't think they want to risk either Trump or Bernie running as independents.

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8. personally, i would love to see a four way race

trump, bernie, someone on the dem ticket, and a conservative (probably one of the establishment darlings)

trump and bernie will end up in a two way, which is what i am predicting will happen in the general anyway.

thanks for commenting!

[hedda_foil]

17. IVN is Independent Voter Network with reader contributed blogging.

IOW, it's not the authority it's acronym implies. I'm for Bernie all the way but it's important to clarify whose opinion is being discussed.

[restorefreedom]

18. thanks, hedda foil. i kind of didn't really take it

as an authoritative source, but felt it was important for us to realize that people are talking about this possibility like its a real option..scary!