"Contest the black vote at every opportunity. Keep him pinned down there."

[berni_mccoy]

"Contest the black vote at every opportunity. Keep him pinned down there." -- That was Hillary Clinton's campaign strategy in 2008 against Barack Obama as administered by her campaign strategist, Mark Penn. That quote is a directive in an email leaked by a member of her campaign and reported by The Atlantic. As I noted in November, it appeared that Mark Penn has been resurrected to be giving advice to the campaign. And as I reported last summer, Clinton is very willing to use race to divide Democratic voters, as she did in 2008, she has tried again in 2016.

It seemed she had stopped doing this for a while, but as her poll numbers have started to drop, she's started to use these ugly tactics again. And some of her supporters here are:

- Taking narrow areas of photos at Bernie's rally's in the south showing only white people, when other pics of the same rally simply repudiate that idea
- Have pointed out his latest ads show Bernie shaking hands with *gasp* white people, as if he doesn't feature anyone but white people in his ads.

These disgusting attacks seem coordinated with the race-baiting attacks by David Brock, former Right Wing Mudslinger supposedly "turned" by the Clintons to doing "good" and now running her Super PAC.

The only difference between now and 2008 is that her competitor is white and they are trying to make him appear to be the racist. Claiming Bernie is a racist has already been pointed out by many Democratic pundits and even some of Hillary's supporters and endorsers as completely wrong and inappropriate. I suggest that unfounded claim of racism against Bernie on this site be met with appropriate discipline and with an automatic hide. There are some things that should be simply off limits. Calling Bernie a racists is one of them.

[FlatBaroque]

1. All this by someone who has NO chance of being voted into national office. Nt

[Ed Suspicious]

5. Ripping up the fabric of the party for her own personal ambitions.

[Betty Karlson]

85. History will only be kind on her - if it is written by an establishment historian.

The woman is a disaster for the Democratic Party. Contrast her with Liz Warren and you see over 1,000 reasons to prefer the Massachussetts senior senator.

[Cal33]

62. I wish I could be as sure as you are.

[Gman]

2. Well, he sure appears racist

Representing a virtually pure white state. How can he possibly represent Blacks. Isn't Sanders trying to suppress the Bkack vote this time?

On edit... Corrected "face" to "state". Damn you autocorrect.

[cali]

3. That's just nuts as well as offensive or to put it more bluntly:

A stinking pile of made up....

Flat out disgusting- And from the supporter of the candiate that used racist dog whistles against a black man. Still, I have never thought Hillary a racist. She is simply someone who will sacrifice people and say anything to win.


Bernie is not a racist. That's been proven with.facts. Hillary has an ethics problem and an honesty problem

[Gman]

10. Don't know what "facts" you're talking about

That picture? Doesn't look anything like him.

[roody]

42. Probably to live off the land. That was our thing then.

[pangaia]

48. RUN AWAY !!!!!

What The Fuck is that shit?

[cali]

52. Disgusting post. Insinuating that he moved to Vermont because he's a racist

Hillary seems to attract supporters in her image, willing to....

[cali]

72. Bullshit. Lame bullshit and pedestrian

[villager]

57. Hmm... so why did Clinton run away from Arkansas, then?

I guess it was more fun to be Senator from somewhere else?

[TM99]

66. Yeah, no shit.

Her chances of being meaningful as a Democratic Senator from Arkansas would have been next to nil. That is even if she could have won there.

Hillary Clinton wants to be president, so New York was the way to go. Oh, and 9/11!

[villager]

71. Not that your equivocating and backpedaling is an answer....

Well, it's kind of answer, in omission, actually...

[SamKnause]

4. Seriously ???

Do you even know who Bernie is ???

Have you ever listened to him speak ???

Do you know the history this man has with the black community ???

I will assume you must not know anything about Bernie.

If you did, you would not have asked that question.

[cali]

6. Question? Flat out calling Bernie a racist is not a question.

[Gman]

12. LOL! WHAT history with the Black community?

Some picture that doesn't look anything like him!

[AlbertCat]

18. WHAT history with the Black community?

Can you stop pushing old worn out debunked GOP memes? This is a Democratic site, y'know.

And desperation is so pitiful! I'd think you'd be embarrassed.

[Gman]

21. I'd sure like to get to know

This person you folks have invented. I could vote for him. But he doesn't exist.

[daleanime]

54. How very sad....

You have a great day.

[WillyT]

53. You Ought To Be Ashamed Of Yourself...

DULink: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511041074

[KingCharlemagne]

7. Despicable IGNORE - nt

[H2O Man]

8. Gross.

[tex-wyo-dem]

9. I sure as hell hope that's sarcasm...

Because if it's not, your post is fucking despicable. I'm no fan of alerts, but your post definitely warrants one.

[Hiraeth]

13. I took it for sarcasm but, after reading the replies I am wondering, too.

[pangaia]

49. Perhaps is is G as in G Gordon......

[Fawke Em]

16. Who does Hillary represent?

Answer: No one.

She hasn't held elected office in eight years.

[Gman]

19. Everyone

And has for many years

[Ned_Devine]

30. Oh, you starry eyed dreamer! Adorable!

[Chef Eric]

34. Not me. nt

[pacalo]

83. I'm supporting the candidate who has been out front & center

for the little guy EVERY DAY -- not just for the cameras at election time, but EVERY DAY.

[Amimnoch]

70. Well let's see.. Taking away the Secretary of State, and FLOTUS,

And going only on her Senatorial experience, as a Senator of New York she represented one of the most diverse populations in the country.. Vs the great St. Bernard who since the 70's has represented one of the most homogeneous.

He is no champion. He is a fraud.

[sulphurdunn]

20. Of course!

Everyone knows if you represent a majority white state in congress that you must be a racist, and that you couldn't possibly represent blacks as president, and that you must want to suppress the black vote. It only makes sense.

[Mufaddal]

23. Troll harder

You're doing it all wrong.

[Still In Wisconsin]

27. You, quite simply, suck.

That is all.

[Ned_Devine]

32. Where's the "like" button when I need it? Nice one!

[pangaia]

51. LIKE !!!!!

[Lage Nom Ai]

28. Logic or lack of

I tried to find which state has a population where African Americans are the majority and I was unable to. That doesn't mean that some of the states don't it just means I could not find one. If it is out there please provide the reference.
So based on your logic or lack there of, President Obama appears to be racist, along with any African American Govenor or Congressman ( where the majority of contituants are white). That's a very narrow school of thought.

[Bubzer]

29. What does a "virtually pure white state" have to do with anything?

Representing one group of people isn't different from representing another.
You listen to what they say, and you represent their interests. Bernie has experience doing exactly that.

[TIME TO PANIC]

31. Are you a republican troll, trying to be divisive?

[artislife]

35. I am sure you have no working knowledge of empathy.

Or you would understand that a person can see the human in every face, feel despair for events that are not personal.

Some people can feel the pain of a hair lip and send money to Smile and never have had a disfigurement. Some people can cry at the loss of a child that does not belong to them, because they tap into the incredible sadness surrounding a family that has.

There are great courses on empathy, in most cases it can be learned. I must attest that life is better when you have it.

[ieoeja]

36. "Isn't Sanders trying to suppress the Black vote this time?" You better be able to back that ...

... the fuck up.

[Armstead]

46. I suppose Bernie should just say Fuck You to the state he's lived in

and carpetbag to some other state to build up his resume like Clinton did

[Duval]

56. This is a joke, right Gman? Major fail.

Sorry, but you need to read more about Bernie.

[Gman]

60. No it's not

[cali]

79. You deserve every bit of the scorn and disgust

you see in this thread. Calling Bernie racist? Vile.

[Bread and Circus]

58. He's racist because he lives in Vermont and represents his state?

Is that the standard now?

I feel we are in GWBush Era bizarroland thanks to the Hillarybots.

You should be ashsamed of yourselves.

[pa28]

63. Since you are offering your opinion on the appearance of racism what about this?

Does this appear racist to you or not?

[senz]

82. God how disgusting.

Trashes a spiritual leader and blue color workers while smirking confidently like she's used to saying these things.

Awful person.

[Z_California]

64. Your post is moronic

But accurately represents the state of your candidate's campaign currently. Moronic only works when you're addressing morons.

[Orrex]

74. That's a bullshit claim.

Whatever else can be said of Sanders, he absolutely does not appear racist by any measure.

[pacalo]

84. Too bad there's not an "auto-decency" button there for instigators.

[Ken Burch]

86. What's the "Bkack vote"?

(Also, the "sarcasm" smilie would help people see the point you are making).

[KittyWampus]

11. Leave Poor Bernie Alone! Seems you want him to have Coronation.

[Hiraeth]

14. ... lol ...

[Armstead]

47. Avoiding the subject of phony racism

[angrychair]

15. I agree

But certain "Dems" have already gone way past that. I took a break from here at the beginning of December after someone used a neo-Nazi, holocaust denying hate site as a source questioning Sanders character. Alerting did nothing. Administrators wouldn't lock.

Yesterday, had another using conspiracy sites of anti-Semitic, red-baiting dog whistles as well as attacking Sanders children in an attempt to say "we don't know who he 'really' is and what he was doing in that foreign country" sound familiar? It should. Its the same style of attacks that birthers and others have used on the president.

If this is how people are rolling here on DU than my return may be very short lived. Not going to participate on a site that directly or indirectly (by failing to act or allowing it to happen) anti-Semitic and racist comments and website sourcing for their "theories".

We are supposed to be Democrats. We don't do that.

[Dustlawyer]

22. Hllary is using the Republican tactic of taking your opponent's strength

and turning it into a liability. John Kerry was Swift Boated and now they are doing this to Bernie. Bernie had been for equality his whole life. They are trying to re-write that to make him a racist so she doesn't lose the black vote.

This I'll so backfire!!!

[beam me up scottie]

24. They also linked to Stormfront and tomatobubble.

The latter was to an anti-Semitic article that said this about Bernie:

Sanders, like almost every other Big Jew in America, is also a rabid Russia basher.

Now they're implying he lied about the time he spent in Israel.

The dog whistles sound more like foghorns now and anyone who claims they can't hear them is not being honest.

[restorefreedom]

78. perhaps one of these will help....

[jwirr]

55. Thank you. But please do not leave - stay here and fight

with the rest of us.

[AlbertCat]

59. We are supposed to be Democrats.

But remember....

Bernie's not a reeeeeal Democrat!



(or some such nonsense. )

[randome]

17. Man, you'd almost think it was a competition or something!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]

[kathysart_decoration]

25. Another take on a great, moving ad now out

When I first saw this latest and probably last ad for Iowa and maybe New Hampshire, I was struck by the fact that few people of color and/or other minorities are shown. Being very clear - I love this ad and watch it often. Very moving. Quite frankly, I was initially, also, put off by all the farm scenes - though I love and respect farmers (and am a very small scale home farmer myself.) What I realized is that this ad is geared toward the people of Iowa, who may to a large extent be white and rural. With that I had an insight that gave me a better understanding as to why it is constructed the way it is. I would hope it would be reworked for a wider audience because I posted it on my Facebook page and referred to it as "brilliant." I still believe it is.

[kracer20]

26. Thought that too

Those were my exact thoughts after I watched it again a few times after some posters were screaming "OMG, no POC"

Simple as that. Different ads for different parts of the country...

[baldguy]

33. Now Clinton is racist for courting black voters in 2008?

And Sanders is definitely not racist for ignoring them in 2016?

[artislife]

37. How is he ignoring them?

You are probably like me, no interest whatsoever in what the other candidate is actually doing.


That is why I argue what she has done and said. Not her stradegy with her supporters or would be supporters.


He has done a lot by hiring PoC, going to events to listen and talk to groups of PoC. But I get it, I don't look past most of riversedge's Op titles about what h is doing because I really don't give a crap.

[ieoeja]

39. No, Clinton is racist for trying to suppress Black voters in 2008. "Courting"? WTF?!? n/t

[TIME TO PANIC]

38. Absolutely despicable!!!

If she's the nominee, I'm gonna have a hard time voting for someone who uses racism for their own political gain. This is the low type of shit a would expect from republicans.

[WillyT]

41. Just Point 'Em This Way Berni:

DULink: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511041074

[berni_mccoy]

65. Thanks Willy! Nice post!

[SoapBox]

43. Skeezy, sleazy, slimy dirty politics...

Clintons.

[PatrynXX]

50. if the internet was faster in the 90's Bill would have been one term only

Gosh Bob Dole? I actually like him now . true I was one of the first to get online. We could have in 1992 August when we bought Acros PC (which had been bought out by Acer and indeed the idiot selling the thing said it wasn't Acer made. (then why do I have a BIOS chip saying otherwise. Don't have it anymore I just have memory bits and a video card for collectors. ) We got online Jan 1995 using something called AOL 2.0 that came in the mail. We did have a couple others in the option CompuServe was one. (remember them?? lol. I woulda learned more of social media had been around in the 90's. I became political after a conversation between a brother and sister in a Lutheran school had (ahem I had a crush on her yes I still know her. since her dad was my Confirmation pastor, still think she found the fountain of youth) must be that dishwater blond hair of hers. (called dirty blond. meh it's Blond to me but oh well. not Platinum Blond) but they had this conversation in 1988 over Dukakis (sp) and his Abortion stance. Thats when things went a bit left for me. I'm not a single issue voter. Should be interesting if Donald Trump gets it. Someone who for years donated to PP. hmmmm

[Spitfire of ATJ]

44. The Hillary campaign is all about attacks instead of issues.

[PatrynXX]

45. Donald Trump is the oddity here

Supposedly he's well liked by many blacks If he were Nominated and won he'd be the most popular Republican from Blacks since Ronald Reagan. If this is true Hillary is missing something enormously foul. True one lesson I've learned is never tell a woman what to do however other women they usually can. So I leave that up to them. Bernie isn't telling her what to do. She's clearly telling him what to do. I'm a film nut. We'll pull Ahhnold out and shoot ever cop car in the parking lot. In return for that nice gesture they shoot him up. 0 dead I don't wanna ask how bullets hit got. Course I say film nut , I'm not entirely a movie nut if I were I'd be excited about suicide Squad X_X bout as boring as Horror films. But thats me. Similarly you can't force me to like something. You can't force me to like a Conservadem. Their loyalty has been bought. a Conservative eh they grew up that way and I generally don't have problems with "conservatives" as voters. Tea Part Voters yes I do. Tea Party is to the Republicans/Conservatives as Conservadems are to Liberals/Democrats. the extremist side (yes thats what I said. Conservadems are Extremists. Just take Tea Party for example, they aren't considered Extremists by those on the right mostly. But on the left sure. Naturally Conservadems aren't considered Extremists . When one thinks of extremists one things way off to the left, I don't think any extremist left will ever gain any traction. and Bernie isn't one of them. Mainly because the extreme Conservadems have driving Liberals further to the right over the years to now where what used to be extremist left is now Liberal. That dirty word that I never understood was dirty. Kept hearing this silly term Progressive. Yeah thats what my bifocals are called. Progressive lens , just the term didn't make any sense when applied to politics. Like um Kris Kringle telling Susan. "Oh it's a a progressive school" as he's lifting his hand up. Yeah thats what my lenses are. Hard to tell where the bifocal part starts. but it steps the magnification up. what does Progressives have anything to do with Liberal??

[Duval]

61. Ahh, the more I learn the more my stomach clenches when I see/hear Hillary.

Bernie is genuine, honest, and heads above crap like this. Great OP, as always bernie_mccoy.

[Uncle Joe]

75. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, berni_mccoy.

[Zorra]

76. The universal contempt level for the Clinton campaign is at an all time high.

She cannot win the GE,, in great part because of filth like this.

[in_cog_ni_to]

77. K&R!

[Blue_In_AK]

80. I'm not African-American,

but if I were, I think I would resent being used as a political football.

[riversedge]

87. You win the post for provacative mud-slinging headline crap. Penn is gone and

you making up imaginary links form 08 and nasty innuendos only makes you look desperate.

[berni_mccoy]

88. The only ones desperate here are those calling a white man racist...

For being white and coming from a predominantly white state.