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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 02:38 PM Jan 2016

Why African-American voters may doom Bernie Sanders’ candidacy

By Paul Waldman
January 22 at 12:18 PM


Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are now arguing about race, and like many such arguments in campaigns, it has nothing to do with any substantive difference between them on policy issues. But the stakes could hardly be higher — indeed, it’s no exaggeration to say that if Sanders can’t find a way to win over large numbers of African-American voters, he will have virtually no chance of winning the Democratic nomination for president.

Which is why, when Sanders released an ad showing him amidst his many adoring supporters, Clinton ally David Brock, who runs about a hundred different super PACs and other organizations devoted to getting her elected (I exaggerate, but only slightly) gave an interview in which he said: “From this ad, it seems black lives don’t matter much to Bernie Sanders.”
Because of course, if the crowd shots in his ad aren’t diverse enough, that must mean Sanders doesn’t care whether black people live or die. (Full disclosure: some years ago I worked for David Brock for a time.)

Naturally, the Sanders campaign was outraged, but Brock’s attack cleverly alluded to the period last summer and fall when Black Lives Matter activists were interrupting Sanders at speeches and pushing him to endorse their agenda. Sanders was the perfect target for those actions, because he’s a liberal eager to show African-Americans that he’s on their side, but also someone likely to make the kind of verbal slips that would allow them to criticize him.

That’s because despite his commitment to civil rights, Sanders hasn’t spent his political career in an environment where African-Americans are what they are in most of the country: the very heart of the Democratic coalition. Since Vermont is 95 percent white, Sanders hasn’t had to build up the kind of partnerships and habits of mind and work that other Democrats do, which is just one of the reasons he has a steep hill to climb with African-Americans.

Read more:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/01/22/why-african-american-voters-may-doom-bernie-sanders-candidacy/
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Why African-American voters may doom Bernie Sanders’ candidacy (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 OP
Black votes matter KingFlorez Jan 2016 #1
This black voter is with Bernie not the Goldman Sachs candidate. JRLeft Jan 2016 #42
You guys still stoop to any level, won't you? HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #2
Now what did I do wrong? Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #4
You pointed out the truth KingFlorez Jan 2016 #10
Sure, she'll almost certainly be the nominee cali Jan 2016 #3
Ah, but mention all the stuff about Bernie that hasn't been focused on and how his favorabiity KittyWampus Jan 2016 #35
She will probably win unless she implodes. She won't win the GE. Autumn Jan 2016 #5
Not if progressives can drown out voices like yours. TekGryphon Jan 2016 #41
Progressives both in and out of the party TM99 Jan 2016 #44
Yup artislife Jan 2016 #46
You won't. Progressives will. TekGryphon Jan 2016 #47
"nuts and bolts". Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #6
Yeah the results have been simply stunning. Minority are all doing just wonderful. Autumn Jan 2016 #9
What was that famous speech? TM99 Jan 2016 #11
Kaboom! tecelote Jan 2016 #17
Sanders has done MORE for minorities than both Clintons put together X 100. bvar22 Jan 2016 #23
Indeed! TM99 Jan 2016 #24
ROFLMAO. Stop! stop! My ribs are hurting from laughing! Hekate Jan 2016 #37
Well come on then. TM99 Jan 2016 #45
Why would I want to repeat what has been posted (with verifiable links) over and over again here? Hekate Jan 2016 #48
Someone should have told MLK Mufaddal Jan 2016 #16
Yes, results like 22% Childhood Poverty is sure to help the "establishment" get PoC votes. draa Jan 2016 #18
If Hillary were Pres Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #38
Unfortunately for your post, many people do know what the Clinton Presidency guillaumeb Jan 2016 #51
PoC are no more or less TM99 Jan 2016 #7
When Clinton loses IA and NH it's all but over. draa Jan 2016 #8
Bernie isn't "arguing"....appears attacks of untrue proportion are being made on him. glinda Jan 2016 #12
African Americans around here are mostly voting for Bernie Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #13
If people don't want anything to change they will vote for Hillary AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #14
Anita Hill Lage Nom Ai Jan 2016 #15
Damned good point. TM99 Jan 2016 #22
His log cabin ass only came to "the left" after the right wing shunned him in the 90's m-lekktor Jan 2016 #43
The optics were not good in that ad. that is a given. riversedge Jan 2016 #19
Hey, why hasn't Clinton managed to come up with a social justice plan jeff47 Jan 2016 #20
Hey, why haven't her detractors read her numerous detailed position papers? Hekate Jan 2016 #49
We have. jeff47 Jan 2016 #50
DU rec...nt SidDithers Jan 2016 #21
Exact same warmed over horseshit they were presenting last summer catnhatnh Jan 2016 #25
Running out of ammunition, must recycle. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #40
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY MUST STOP TAKING THE BLACK VOTE FOR GRANTED!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2016 #26
David Brock and his former employee Paul Waldman can kick rocks KeepItReal Jan 2016 #27
"Since Vermont is 95 percent white..." Fearless Jan 2016 #28
Are you African American Cali_Democrat? Matariki Jan 2016 #29
Seems like the Clinton campaign is using African Americans to further a political agenda. Matariki Jan 2016 #30
Yes I am. Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #31
Thanks for answering Matariki Jan 2016 #32
Then why ask? mythology Jan 2016 #33
exactly Matariki Jan 2016 #36
Please disclose your race/ethnicity.... Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #39
It will be their loss then. Vinca Jan 2016 #34

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
1. Black votes matter
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 02:41 PM
Jan 2016

Winning the Democratic nomination requires a broad base of support, which includes black votes.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
3. Sure, she'll almost certainly be the nominee
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jan 2016

Weakened. She already is weakened. She is a horrible.campaigner and a lousy candidate. I've said for years, if she's the nominee, she'll lose the general.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
35. Ah, but mention all the stuff about Bernie that hasn't been focused on and how his favorabiity
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:56 PM
Jan 2016

is a mirage and… RED BAITING!

Clinton, for all her faults, has come out on top every time.

Sanders can't even deal with interviewers without getting agitated, annoyed, impatient.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
44. Progressives both in and out of the party
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 05:46 PM
Jan 2016

on the left ARE these voices.

And we will not elect Clinton in the GE. Sorry.

TekGryphon

(430 posts)
47. You won't. Progressives will.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jan 2016

You can stay home, right along with all the other fair-weather, "only if I get my pony" Democrats.

My only regret is that you guys aren't just worthless to the progressive movement - you're counter-productive. All you do is spew hatred against and motivate people to stay home in November.

It's the Ron Paul movement all over again, only this time its in our house.

Dawson Leery

(19,582 posts)
6. "nuts and bolts".
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 02:47 PM
Jan 2016

Better stated: Hillary is a doer. Bernie is a dreamer.

Minority communities cannot afford dreamers. They need results.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
11. What was that famous speech?
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 02:51 PM
Jan 2016

Oh, yes, I have a dream.

Yes, we minorities completely dismiss 'dreamers'.

Now here is a great article on what Sanders has done as a doer --

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/20-examples-bernie-sanders-powerful-record-civil-and-human-rights-1950s

Let's see Clinton's shall we? Because off the top of my head, what comes to mind is welfare reform, NAFTA, the continued expansion of the drug war, and her previous support (she just changed her positions this election!) of the private prison industry.

Have I missed any?

tecelote

(5,156 posts)
17. Kaboom!
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 02:58 PM
Jan 2016

Shut that down.

You also pointed out why the media can not allow Bernie airtime.

He's the real deal. He not only gets things done, he gets down in the trenches shoulder to shoulder with the rest of us.

Bernie's priorities are not regime change in the Middle East, he's focused on regime change here in the U.S.

Just in the nick of time.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
23. Sanders has done MORE for minorities than both Clintons put together X 100.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:03 PM
Jan 2016

What a shame that he would be SwiftBoated on his remarkable, 50year long record
of working for ALL Americans.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
24. Indeed!
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:07 PM
Jan 2016

But the Clintons and most of their supporters here and elsewhere are quite racist. Sad but indeed very true.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
45. Well come on then.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 05:47 PM
Jan 2016

Post some of the ways, now be very specific & cite your sources, that Clinton has truly & deeply helped our communities.

I will wait.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
48. Why would I want to repeat what has been posted (with verifiable links) over and over again here?
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:21 PM
Jan 2016

HRC has a fantastic Democratic and feminist and civil rights record going back to her earliest college years. Why would I want to repeat the obvious and truthful in a setting where no one is listening?

draa

(975 posts)
18. Yes, results like 22% Childhood Poverty is sure to help the "establishment" get PoC votes.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 02:59 PM
Jan 2016

If people can look at their lives and say they're better now than before 2008 collapse they may support Clinton. If they can't they either won't vote or Bernie gets their votes. And that goes for ALL skin colors.

Too bad for Clinton they can't. Poverty has increased as profits have increased. The rich got richer as the rest were left behind. And we have ample proof of that in the 22% CHP rate. Only an idiot would vote for more of the same, or the establishment, or the status quo. Especially when there's a better choice like Sanders avaliable.

Nanjeanne

(6,641 posts)
38. If Hillary were Pres
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 04:10 PM
Jan 2016

Remember this from JFK (bolding mine):

"We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too."

If Hillary were President, she would have chosen to go to the airport. It's more practical.

What is amazing to me regarding the discussion about minorities - is the fact Hillary has tied herself so tightly to President Obama - but many of us remember 2008 and the race-baiting and innuendo both Hillary and Bill (and their surrogates) indulged in. I know I remember:

“Senator Clinton’s race-baiting must end today . . .The politics of division now seem to be her core strategy. . ." said James Rucker, the executive director of ColorOfChange.org

Bill Clinton comparing Obama's campaign to that of Jesse Jackson's unsuccessful run in 1988

Let's not forget Clinton supporter Andrew Cuomo's statement, "you can't shuck and jive at a press conference"

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that the media seems to have forgotten all that. Hopefully African Americans haven't.



guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
51. Unfortunately for your post, many people do know what the Clinton Presidency
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:29 PM
Jan 2016

did for minority communities.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
7. PoC are no more or less
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 02:48 PM
Jan 2016

low information voters than anyone else subject to propaganda and voting entirely against their best self interests.

But this continued race baiting by the Clinton campaign will not end well. She can pretend that she has it all sewn up with our votes but she thought that in 2008 as well.

If she does win the primary, she will lose the general. No two ways about it.

draa

(975 posts)
8. When Clinton loses IA and NH it's all but over.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 02:48 PM
Jan 2016

Her problem? She's a terrible politician on the campaign trail. She lies every time she opens her mouth. And she's still got that Iraq War vote hanging over her. All those combined with ZERO weakness in her Democratic candidate make this a difficult task.

And people always forget Independents and cross over Republicans when they talk of Sanders losing. He sit at 50% with the first group and 15% with the second. That will be hard to overcome.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
13. African Americans around here are mostly voting for Bernie
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 02:52 PM
Jan 2016

I thin the Clinton campaign is understimating

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
14. If people don't want anything to change they will vote for Hillary
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 02:53 PM
Jan 2016

If they are satisfied that what we have now is the best we can muster, they will vote for Hillary. Otherwise they will vote for Sanders.

 

Lage Nom Ai

(74 posts)
15. Anita Hill
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 02:53 PM
Jan 2016

I like the way the writer uses a man who not only attacked an African American professor but a female African American. Not only did he use the misogynist racist but he use to work for him. What's next a David Duke post?

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
22. Damned good point.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:01 PM
Jan 2016

David Brock lost any standing to criticize anyone on race after he wrote The Real Anita Hill.

Fuck him. He is a racist, misogynist pig. That Clinton condones his attacks speaks volumes to her character...well her lack thereof.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
43. His log cabin ass only came to "the left" after the right wing shunned him in the 90's
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 05:43 PM
Jan 2016

because his Hillary book that he wrote wasn't nasty enough for them.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
20. Hey, why hasn't Clinton managed to come up with a social justice plan
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:00 PM
Jan 2016

that BLM supports yet?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
50. We have.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:24 PM
Jan 2016

The last thing that happened on Clinton's social justice front was a meeting with BLM activists. They were not particularly impressed.

So....where's the plan they think is good? It's been months.

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
25. Exact same warmed over horseshit they were presenting last summer
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:15 PM
Jan 2016

when support for Sanders was 2-3%. That was when Clinton was getting over 85%. But this week as all voters are beginning to look more closely Sanders is over 20% and Clinton is nearer to 70%...

Where have we seen this before-people-no matter their race or ethnicity-take a closer look and Sanders' numbers start rising while Clinton's start to drop? 82 points difference was the runners in the starting blocks. 50 points means the gun has just gone off. I'm not worried about results til they hit the tape.

KeepItReal

(7,770 posts)
27. David Brock and his former employee Paul Waldman can kick rocks
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:19 PM
Jan 2016

We've already been through that "Sanders is from Vermont where there are few African-Americans"...

... and "Hillary goes way back with Black folks" (but not way back like Civil Rights March way back - that doesn't count)

Thanks for including the Waldman full disclosure, though.

Fearless

(18,458 posts)
28. "Since Vermont is 95 percent white..."
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:21 PM
Jan 2016

That's some brazen race baiting right there.

Shame on you.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
30. Seems like the Clinton campaign is using African Americans to further a political agenda.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:39 PM
Jan 2016

I doubt most people like being used as political props.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
31. Yes I am.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:40 PM
Jan 2016

I'm half, but that doesn't matter to most Americans.

If you look black, you're black.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
33. Then why ask?
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:53 PM
Jan 2016

I pretty sure you were looking to use the answer against him or her, but you didn't get the answer you assumed you would.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
39. Please disclose your race/ethnicity....
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 05:29 PM
Jan 2016

So I can determine whether or not what you post is acceptable.

That's what you were getting at, right? You thought that I might be white, so I shouldn't have been allowed to post the OP.

Do you realize how absurd and condescending that is? And you're right, my race isn't any of your business.

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