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Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:44 PM Jan 2016

A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for Goldman Sachs.

A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for the TPP at the expense of American workers.

A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for ever increasing profits of HMOs, drug companies, "non-profit" hospitals, and medical device manufacturers that make healthcare increasingly unaffordable and "health insurance" increasingly worthless.

A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for ENDLESS WAR in the Middle East in the name of corporate profits.

I cannot accept any of these things, that is why I am voting for Bernie Sanders. If you want more of the same pro-corporate BS we have seen for the past 35 years vote for Hillary. If you want real change, vote for Bernie.

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A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for Goldman Sachs. (Original Post) Odin2005 Jan 2016 OP
Good for you, but don't insult me or who I choose to vote for. Thank you for providing yet another Metric System Jan 2016 #1
Look up the word "insult" in the dictionary brentspeak Jan 2016 #3
Apparently pointing out policy differences are "insults" TDale313 Jan 2016 #7
This is such a great point. Both sides have all kinds of supporters, but the Hillary side Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2016 #42
I have yet to see a Clinton supporter hifiguy Jan 2016 #62
They can't, and they know it. Sanders' supporters can point to a Gene Debs Jan 2016 #86
You summed it up perfectly sammythecat Jan 2016 #89
As you are, I'm completely stumped as to why anyone would think Clinton is the better candidate Victor_c3 Jan 2016 #99
The horrors of war Iwillnevergiveup Jan 2016 #110
A woman president would be a fine thing. hifiguy Jan 2016 #130
?!?! EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #127
Well, sort of. Depends on the day and who she]s talking at. hifiguy Jan 2016 #128
Interesting. deathrind Jan 2016 #129
A vote for Hillary is a vote for endless war? What does that say about Hillary supporters? Metric System Jan 2016 #8
That was an excellent rebuttal DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #9
Thank you. It's telling they can't see the insult in the OP. Metric System Jan 2016 #13
Never try to get somebody to believe something their whole world view hinges on not believing. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #16
well, how DO you feel about libya, iraq, and syria restorefreedom Jan 2016 #10
don't forget Honduras and Guatemala ish of the hammer Jan 2016 #18
Yep. Make no mistake... Odin2005 Jan 2016 #20
Keep preaching it Odin draa Jan 2016 #76
really would like someone to weigh in. nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #39
Do you need more pearls to clutch? artislife Jan 2016 #14
Typical nasty response. Metric System Jan 2016 #24
Truth. snoringvoter Jan 2016 #27
If that's what you call it, go ahead. Metric System Jan 2016 #29
No not nasty...."concerned". artislife Jan 2016 #31
Truth hurts, huh? Odin2005 Jan 2016 #19
The truth Lawud Jan 2016 #23
That they are perfectly fine with endless wars. snoringvoter Jan 2016 #26
Exactly what I ask. tecelote Jan 2016 #38
The heat death of the universe will come to pass hifiguy Jan 2016 #63
I don't think it says anything about her supporters passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #50
Amen! Paka Jan 2016 #59
Well said. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #81
There some reason to believe that Hillary is for endless war mindwalker_i Jan 2016 #55
An opinion Lage Nom Ai Jan 2016 #72
Not much imo. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #80
It says what the person believes daybranch Jan 2016 #85
It says they're making a mistake sammythecat Jan 2016 #90
you're way too sensative Perogie Jan 2016 #98
She is a hawk, that is no secret. Iraq war vote was her judgement call. Jackilope Jan 2016 #107
THAT was an insult to you? Good lawd. Some thin skin around here. libdem4life Jan 2016 #4
Hillarians are easily offended, apparently. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #6
Apparently. libdem4life Jan 2016 #15
As is their candidate. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #82
+1 stonecutter357 Jan 2016 #30
excellent article, thanks and keep up the good fight... comradebillyboy Jan 2016 #34
Behavior detailed in this article passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #40
That is some quality Establishment delusion you found, there. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #46
I see no insult in the OP. Read it again, please. Duval Jan 2016 #56
I figure you must hit refresh a dozen times to get in the first response. To bad you don't rhett o rick Jan 2016 #75
It insults you to hear that Clinton supports endless war? Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #79
thanks for reinforcing why I'm going for Sanders PatrynXX Jan 2016 #88
This is an excellent synopsis. CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2016 #2
Thanks, Peggy! Odin2005 Jan 2016 #5
If Peggy does, safeinOhio Jan 2016 #35
Same for me! nt hifiguy Jan 2016 #65
Me 2 840high Jan 2016 #78
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000 Faux pas Jan 2016 #11
A vote for Hillary is a vote to pull our party further to the right. TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #12
That's exactly what it is, sammythecat Jan 2016 #91
That's a vicious lie! Hillary has always been in the vanguard fighting for progressive causes. Akicita Jan 2016 #112
+1 TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #120
A vote for mega death and corporate greed. JRLeft Jan 2016 #17
From Goldwater to Goldman Sachs. The evolution of Hillary in a nutshell. jalan48 Jan 2016 #21
And for the TPP. forest444 Jan 2016 #22
Shillary is a compulsive liar. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #32
The always crucial swing voters agree. forest444 Jan 2016 #36
This is what the Hillary supporters are complaining about passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #54
Agreed! pinebox Jan 2016 #96
So True colsohlibgal Jan 2016 #25
Yup. Just look upthread Deny and Shred Jan 2016 #41
Hillary Goldman Clinton Jarqui Jan 2016 #28
Aint it the sad Truth! Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #33
+1,000,000 SoapBox Jan 2016 #37
A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for Hillary Clinton. What are you trying to prove, Odin? George II Jan 2016 #43
I'm not "trying" to prove anything. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #45
Sanders supports "American imperialism" too - George II Jan 2016 #49
Bernie is against American Imperialism but when the nation fights a war even against his Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #66
+1 Odin2005 Jan 2016 #74
Ding ding ding! Best answer award! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #93
I'm with Odin2005 Got it Jan 2016 #44
I have always thought about what Bill Clinton would have jwirr Jan 2016 #60
Picture of Hillary greeting Goldman Sachs' CEO, Lloyd Blankfein AZ Progressive Jan 2016 #47
*GAG* Odin2005 Jan 2016 #48
Her real running mate. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #52
And it doesn't get any clearer than that. It's unspinnable. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #51
Hey, they're "doing God's work"!... PoliticAverse Jan 2016 #53
OMG! SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #83
Fucking incredible! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #94
K&R Paka Jan 2016 #57
You'll be interested in this I think... Clifton Jan 2016 #58
And Citibank, and Northrop Grumman, and Boeing hifiguy Jan 2016 #61
K/R Jack Rabbit Jan 2016 #64
Odin, it's damn good to see you around again (and a Sanders supporter)! EvolveOrConvolve Jan 2016 #67
Hiya! Odin2005 Jan 2016 #69
and health insurance companies! Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #68
I listed to a Minnesota Public Radio program a week ago about the cost of healthcare... Odin2005 Jan 2016 #71
They don't like it when they get found out Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #73
Go Bernie, but even more importantly... Red Oak Jan 2016 #70
I just wish she would post the transcripts darkangel218 Jan 2016 #77
A vote for Clinton is a vote for H-1B and other guest worker program outsourcing?... cascadiance Jan 2016 #84
Remember that as YOU vote for Hillary in November. stopbush Jan 2016 #87
I will not vote for her. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #103
So you prefer to abstain and vote for the R by proxy. stopbush Jan 2016 #111
Voting for her is voting for R by proxy. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #113
Delusional. stopbush Jan 2016 #114
Yes, having principles is considerd delusional by the Estasblishment. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #115
I'm not impressed by your pouty, foot-stomping principles. stopbush Jan 2016 #116
The only cry-babies I see are the ones defending Clinton. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #117
So if Hillary wins and Bernie asks his supporters to vote for her stopbush Jan 2016 #118
I don't let other people tell me who to vote for. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #119
You're a naive enabler of the Rs. stopbush Jan 2016 #121
That overused meme doesn't work, anymore. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #122
Not on you. More's the pity. stopbush Jan 2016 #123
Not just me, most people. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #124
DU TOS: stopbush Jan 2016 #125
I'm not telling others not to vote. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #126
Bullshit. Read the TOS again. stopbush Jan 2016 #131
All of this. What few policies she has deigned hifiguy Jan 2016 #132
K&R vkkv Jan 2016 #92
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #95
And a vote for Bernie Sanders is a vote to ensure the Republicans sweep November jmowreader Jan 2016 #97
Your lack of faith in the American people is sad. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #102
Right.. asuhornets Jan 2016 #100
(71 posts) your "concern" is noted. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #101
Yep, I've heard that from Bernie supporters, but asuhornets Jan 2016 #104
Probably when a Republican disguised as a Democrat in a pantsuit started pushing Republican policy. Gene Debs Jan 2016 #105
Hilliary has a big decision to make. Will she choose Goldman or Sachs to be her running mate? Akicita Jan 2016 #106
K + R! Splinter Cell Jan 2016 #108
More Ridiculous Talking Points for Hillary gordyfl Jan 2016 #109
Over and over and over again, demigoddess Jan 2016 #133
The truth hurts. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #134
Yup bigwillq Jan 2016 #135

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
3. Look up the word "insult" in the dictionary
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:48 PM
Jan 2016

The OP didn't "insult" anyone. Please don't insult our intelligence.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
7. Apparently pointing out policy differences are "insults"
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:51 PM
Jan 2016

While Hillary supporters only speak in glowingly positive terms and talk up their candidate and never go negative. wtf?

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,852 posts)
42. This is such a great point. Both sides have all kinds of supporters, but the Hillary side
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:07 PM
Jan 2016

inexplicably cling to this myth that only Sanders supporters "insult" the other side. The behavior of many of the Hillary supporters here have seriously strengthened my support for Sanders.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
62. I have yet to see a Clinton supporter
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 07:24 PM
Jan 2016

refer to her policies. Ever. I suppose it's because they are in essence Republican policies on 90%+ of the issues.

 

Gene Debs

(582 posts)
86. They can't, and they know it. Sanders' supporters can point to a
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:40 PM
Jan 2016

decades-long list of committed fights for working people, minorities, and progressive causes. All Clinton's supporters seem to have to offer is some breathless, vague sense that she's awesome. They can't hold up her record on public policy, because it's an embarrassment. Their enthusiasm for her seems to be completely visceral, and it makes me wonder what the real, deep-down reasons for their enthusiasm are. Is it because they just want a woman president? If that's the case, I have to assume they'd be equally happy with Carly Fiorina.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
99. As you are, I'm completely stumped as to why anyone would think Clinton is the better candidate
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:32 PM
Jan 2016

I just don't get it. I could understand how people could support Trump and Cruz and even bush, but support for Clinton boggles my mind. Clinton stands for or has stood against so many things that are important to democrats. She has only "evolved" on certain issues after it was clear that the majority of Americans had already evolved as well.

There is no way in hell I could bring myself to vote for someone who voted for the Iraq War Resolution and then took more than a decade to realize that it was a mistake. She is either lacking adequate insight into serious issues or she is just going along with whatever the zeitgeist at the time is as it seems to be the politically expedient thing to do. Either of those make her an unacceptable option to me.

As a 23 year old Infantry Officer in 2002 and early 2003 I was boggled with what I saw going on in the Middle East. I never once understood the connection between Iraq and September 11th or believed we should have invaded that country. In found myself shooting, killing, and stuffing body bags in Iraq from February 2004 through March 2005. I knew before that war and I knew when I was in the war that it was a huge mistake. For someone who is aspiring to be our president to have taken more than a decade to realize the same thing a naïve and young kid could realize in an instant is a mistake says a lot about the poor judgement of the person aspiring to be our leader.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
110. The horrors of war
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 04:44 PM
Jan 2016

that you describe validate my own feeling from the beginning that the Iraq war was a cynical endeavor to enrich powerful interests. I am very glad you survived to tell about it.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
130. A woman president would be a fine thing.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 08:35 PM
Jan 2016

But not the reincarnation of Margaret Thatcher - bellicose/warlike and dedicated to piss-down economics amd tje 1%.

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
129. Interesting.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 08:32 PM
Jan 2016

You make a very good point. Most of the posts I see that involve HRC and a position on any given issue is mostly her position in reference to a Sanders position and how "out of touch" he is on a position.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,808 posts)
9. That was an excellent rebuttal
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:55 PM
Jan 2016

I couldn't be prouder than to stand with you.





Earnestly and respectfully,
DSB

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
10. well, how DO you feel about libya, iraq, and syria
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:56 PM
Jan 2016

and her positions on them?

can't say THATS not an issue question

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
20. Yep. Make no mistake...
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jan 2016

...Hillary is a tool for the 1% and the rapacious Capitalist elites that rape and pillage the developing world.

draa

(975 posts)
76. Keep preaching it Odin
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:25 AM
Jan 2016

As a veteran I can safely say Clinton is not fit to be Commander in Chief.

Her Iraq War vote is enough to disqualify her completely.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
14. Do you need more pearls to clutch?
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:01 PM
Jan 2016

I am sure we can have a whip around to get some more for you.



There, there.

tecelote

(5,129 posts)
38. Exactly what I ask.
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:57 PM
Jan 2016

How can you support a hawk?

Doesn't it bother you that she is for regime change at the expense of so many lives?

Doesn't it bother you that she says we can not afford healthcare for all and free public college but we can afford to depose elected leaders of other countries?

Why do you support continued war?!

Please, if you do one thing, get her to back off of the needless killing.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
63. The heat death of the universe will come to pass
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 07:26 PM
Jan 2016

before you get any attempt at a serious answer. They have nothing. Zip, el zilcho, nada, bupkis.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
50. I don't think it says anything about her supporters
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:40 PM
Jan 2016

other than they will vote for her because of, or in spite of, her history on foreign policy and national security and privacy. They may agree with her, or maybe think it's not that important because some of her other positions are more important to them.

Pointing out what they are voting for, is not attacking them. It's pointing out who Hillary is and what she represents.

What do you think it says? Does it make you feel embarrassed or ashamed to be connected with her, knowing her aggressive stance on dealing with countries like Syria, Iran, Libya, Iraq?

If you feel shame, or attacked because you support her, that may be something you should look at more deeply.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
55. There some reason to believe that Hillary is for endless war
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:46 PM
Jan 2016

Vote for Iraq war, close ties to Henry Kissinger. There's also good reason to believe that Hillary is more concerned about the needs or desires of wall street than for actual, non-incorporated people. What does that say about Hillary supporters?

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
85. It says what the person believes
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:35 PM
Jan 2016

based on the person's analysis of past actions and currently stated positions and Hillary's association with the Bushes, Trump, and even worse Kissinger. The poster never said you favored war. Get over it.

sammythecat

(3,572 posts)
90. It says they're making a mistake
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jan 2016

supporting Hillary. Nothing more than that, and nothing less. Trying to imply that it's some sort of hateful insult is ridiculous, and also pathetic. That's an insult. See the difference?

Jackilope

(819 posts)
107. She is a hawk, that is no secret. Iraq war vote was her judgement call.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 04:24 PM
Jan 2016

She is beholden to moneyed interests, those that stand to gain by war.

If that concept troubles you, perhaps you need to take another look at who you are supporting.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
40. Behavior detailed in this article
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:03 PM
Jan 2016

you mean like this?


I posted this on the Primary board - it's wasted there
No use talking to the Sanders folks

They are true believers who are more interested in ideals than common sense. They are more interested in reaching for the moon than getting incremental things done to further the cause. The are more interested having a totally ineffective Bernie Sanders in the White House, who talks a good game, but will get nothing done then someone who deal with the Republicans' BS and can take small steps forward. They seem to have little understanding of how government actually works.

Worse yet they seem to be a small minority of mostly decently well off white people who isolated in their communities, out of touch how the average American thinks, and who believe that everyone has their frame of reference. They believe that their lovable but angry little socialist will be embraced by the centralists in this country who decide Presidential elections. They don't understand or simply don't care that their little crusade could hand the White House, both Houses of Congress and the Supreme Court to the Republicans.

They believe that it is more important to vote their convictions than to win. Having a discussion with them is a waste of time and energy.


You are absolutely and 100% correct on all points and you said it better than I ever could have.

And, yes, having a discussion with a Bernie club member is a waste of time and energy.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
46. That is some quality Establishment delusion you found, there.
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:34 PM
Jan 2016

The "centrist swing voter" is a myth, elections are decided by turnout of the base.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
75. I figure you must hit refresh a dozen times to get in the first response. To bad you don't
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:11 AM
Jan 2016

do more with it.

Sanders represents the 99% and Clinton represents the 1%. All Democrats should back the 99%.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
79. It insults you to hear that Clinton supports endless war?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 10:25 AM
Jan 2016

Does that mean you put fingers in your ears every time her "experience" is detailed?

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
88. thanks for reinforcing why I'm going for Sanders
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:55 PM
Jan 2016

face palm. seriously you need a head check quit insulting others about BS

sammythecat

(3,572 posts)
91. That's exactly what it is,
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:14 PM
Jan 2016

and I sincerely hope it's just that her supporters haven't realized that yet.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
112. That's a vicious lie! Hillary has always been in the vanguard fighting for progressive causes.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 05:38 PM
Jan 2016

You want specifics? Here ya go:

1) Hillary was among the first progressive politicians to fight for marriage equality. OOPS! She was against marriage equality in 08 and only switched positions after the vast majority of Democrats voiced support for gay marriage.

2) Hillary stood against the horrible decision to go to war in Iraq which has caused so much turmoil and suffering in the Middle East. OOPS! She voted for the war and supported it until it turned sour. She's against it now though so what's the diff.

3) For years Hillary has defended alleged sexual abuse victims. OOOPS! I guess for years she has actually defended an alleged sexual abuser.

4) Hillary was against the NAFTA trade agreement that shipped so many American jobs overseas. Even though her husband fought for and signed it into law, you just know Hillary was vehemently against it and mad at Bill for signing it into law. What do you think all those rumors of fighting and flying lamps in the White House were all about.


UMMM. Maybe I need a RESET button for this post

forest444

(5,902 posts)
22. And for the TPP.
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:12 PM
Jan 2016

The Tyrannical Power Play.

Does anybody really buy her 11th hour conversion on this issue, given her record of talking out both sides of her mouth on corporatocracy issues?

forest444

(5,902 posts)
36. The always crucial swing voters agree.
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jan 2016

This is why, whatever else could be said about her good or bad, she can't be the nominee if we're to have any hope of keeping Führer Donald and the Tealibans out of the White House.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
54. This is what the Hillary supporters are complaining about
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:46 PM
Jan 2016

Shillary? Come on...do you like it when Bernie is called names?

I wish both sides would be a little less nasty and a lot less defensive.

colsohlibgal

(5,276 posts)
25. So True
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:25 PM
Jan 2016

But hard core Hillary people keep those blinders on. They will rarely even try to refute directly the points made by the Bern Brigade.

Deny and Shred

(1,061 posts)
41. Yup. Just look upthread
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:05 PM
Jan 2016

It must be in the textbook.

Claim that Bernie supporters are being insulting. Have a Bernie supporter respond with a question about an issue. Let an hour go by until somebody makes a comment that can be seen as another insult. Respond to insult and IGNORE THE ISSUE.

Textbook.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
45. I'm not "trying" to prove anything.
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:28 PM
Jan 2016

It is a fact that she is Wall Street's friend.

It is a fact that she opposes Single Payer.

It is a fact that she supports American imperialism.

George II

(67,782 posts)
49. Sanders supports "American imperialism" too -
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:39 PM
Jan 2016

- he never saw a military funding bill he couldn't refuse.

Uncle Joe

(59,176 posts)
66. Bernie is against American Imperialism but when the nation fights a war even against his
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 07:40 PM
Jan 2016

best admonitions, he's not then going to turn around and leave the troops unfunded in hostile territory.

 

Got it

(59 posts)
44. I'm with Odin2005
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:26 PM
Jan 2016

HRC is unscrupulous and immoral. Given the laundry list of irrefutable facts that support this assertion, it's distressing that so many so-called democrats still support her. She's the epitome of the "two party" sham, working tirelessly to fool people that she really cares about progressive issues.

Will she release the transcripts of her Goldman Sachs speeches, or any of the others that payed her millions over the past few years?

Follow the money

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
60. I have always thought about what Bill Clinton would have
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 07:22 PM
Jan 2016

had to do the get elected Governor of Arkansas. Arkansas is a southern state, a state that has conservative ideals even when they vote Democratic. It is the type of state we get our blue dogs and conserva Dems from.

Then he moves to help create the DLC so that we can elect Democrats again. Right leaning Democrats. IMO what they created was a southern strategy to elect Democrats. Lean right and win.

But that has never really worked in northern states that were traditionally blue states. But the results of the right turn have not produced an economic win for the country. It has kept the south very poor under conservative governors while it has allowed Congress to depress the economies of the northern blue states.

Hillary is still using a southern strategy that does not work for any of us. She still leans right and thinks it works. We need to turn back to what did work before 1980. We need to stop following a strategy that does not work.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
61. And Citibank, and Northrop Grumman, and Boeing
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 07:22 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Sat Jan 23, 2016, 08:03 PM - Edit history (1)

and every mercenary outfit like Xe or whatever the fuck it's called now, and the MIC and the NSA, and the Secret Government, abd Billionaires Everywhere, and every other thing that is rotten in and about this once-proud republic.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
64. K/R
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 07:27 PM
Jan 2016

This is also the reason why I am voting for Bernie.

I seriously do not believe America can take another tour to eight years of neoliberalism, whether the neoliberal is Hillary of one of the Republicans, and still be America.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
71. I listed to a Minnesota Public Radio program a week ago about the cost of healthcare...
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 07:55 PM
Jan 2016

...And they were saying that the prime driver of the ever-increasing healthcare costs is less the insurance companies and more with hospitals, drug companies, and medical device manufacturers essentially price gouging because they can get away with it. In the US, unlike in other countries, there are no regulations preventing such gouging and those companies like it that way.

I was very disappointed that Senators Klobuchar and Franken gave in to the medical device manufacturers (who have a huge presence in Minnesota) in suspending the medical device tax that was supposed to pay for some of the ADA subsidies. This is the kind of corrupt power we are dealing with in the medical industry, everyone in the industry is fleecing patients and taxpayers.

Red Oak

(697 posts)
70. Go Bernie, but even more importantly...
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 07:50 PM
Jan 2016

Go all the volunteers and voters that will actually pull this revolution off!

Just imagine a President that uses the bully pulpit to make it legal for the federal government to negotiate drug prices with big pharma. Imagine all the health care dollars saved! I don't remember the big H calling for price negotiations. Someone feel free to tell me where my abuela suggested it.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
77. I just wish she would post the transcripts
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:48 AM
Jan 2016

Instead of laughing at by request. (If she has nothing to hide)

I will not hold my breath though.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
84. A vote for Clinton is a vote for H-1B and other guest worker program outsourcing?...
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 11:56 AM
Jan 2016

Based on her statement in 2008 election asking for expansion of H-1B some would say yes. Based on her absence of any kind of comment since that time, some would say "We don't know"...

But an interesting article just now here with comments from the current ambassador to India on relations with India now, might hint what is to come.

Note that the article here states that this ambassador, Richard Rahul Verma, has been on Hillary Clinton's presidential election team in the past. Does he speak for her and her current policy? That is a big question.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/india-to-remain-priority-for-us-no-matter-who-rules-us-ambassador/articleshow/50688302.cms

India to remain priority for US, no matter who rules: US Ambassador

By MEERA MOHANTY, ET Bureau | 22 Jan, 2016, 09.40PM IST



BHUBANESHWAR: India will remain high priority for the next president of the US irrespective of who wins the 2016 presidential elections, US Ambassador to India, Richard Rahul Verma, said on Friday.

"I actually think it is not just a bipartisan support US-India relations enjoys, it is now a non- partisan issue. If you look at the House of Congress the single largest bipartisan group, of 350 members, is the India Caucus. I do not think any other issue brings 350 members of the House of Congress together," Verma said during his first visit to Bhubaneshwar.

...

Verma, formerly assistant secretary of state for legislative affairs, has served on Democrat presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton's team in the past.

On the recent increase in visa fees for H1B visas, from $2,000 to $4,000, Verma said it was a congressional decision, to raise funds for 9/11 victims, and not aimed at any particular country. "There is an ongoing conversation between companies and members of the congress going forward on the impact of these fees," he said, adding that India which got the "lions shares of H1B visa and majority of L1 visa" has no need to worry.
...

stopbush

(24,470 posts)
111. So you prefer to abstain and vote for the R by proxy.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 05:24 PM
Jan 2016

This is Democratic Underground, you know.

Thinking like yours - check, make that nonthinking - will elect an R.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
115. Yes, having principles is considerd delusional by the Estasblishment.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jan 2016

Because they have all sold their souls for $$$ And could not comprehend principles even if it hit them in the ass.

stopbush

(24,470 posts)
116. I'm not impressed by your pouty, foot-stomping principles.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 05:53 PM
Jan 2016

I've been voting D since 1972, and frankly, I'm not impressed with the cry babies who are attaching themselves to Bernie. He deserves better, as does the person who gets the D nomination, whoever that is.

Whatcha gonna do if Hillary wins and Bernie urges his followers to vote for her? Ignore him?

stopbush

(24,470 posts)
118. So if Hillary wins and Bernie asks his supporters to vote for her
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 05:56 PM
Jan 2016

what will you do? Call Bernie part of the establishment, part of the problem?

Try thinking beyond 5pm today.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
119. I don't let other people tell me who to vote for.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 06:02 PM
Jan 2016

I'd rather keep my conscience clear that vote for a warmongering corporatist, and nothing is going to change my mind. Nothing.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
124. Not just me, most people.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 07:48 PM
Jan 2016

People are sick of being scolded and shamed for voting for the lesser of the two evils. The corrupt fucks in the Establishment are not entitled to our votes. If the Dems lose that is THEIR fault for forcing a corrupt, warmongering, pathological liar on us.

stopbush

(24,470 posts)
125. DU TOS:
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 08:24 PM
Jan 2016

"In Democratic primaries, members may support whomever they choose. But when general election season begins, DU members must support Democratic nominees (EXCEPT in rare cases where a non-Democrat is most likely to defeat the conservative alternative, or where there is no possibility of splitting the liberal vote and inadvertently throwing the election to the conservative alternative). For presidential contests, election season begins when both major-party nominees become clear. For non-presidential contests, election season begins on Labor Day. Everyone here on DU needs to work together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government. If you are bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for our candidates during election season, we'll assume you are rooting for the other side."

Does this mean anything to you? If not, what the hell are you doing at DU?

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
132. All of this. What few policies she has deigned
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 08:46 PM
Jan 2016

to inform the proletarians of are 90+ Republican.

Endless War everywhere, continuing to coddle the banksters/MIC and let them run amok, TPP to deligitimize and privatize government, no progress towards Medicare For All, let students keep drowning in debt and double down on the drug war so the for-profit prisons continue to rake in the $$$.

Who in their right mind can support horseshit like that?

jmowreader

(50,826 posts)
97. And a vote for Bernie Sanders is a vote to ensure the Republicans sweep November
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:27 PM
Jan 2016

He's painted himself into a corner with his "no superPAC money" stance. Which would be admirable and doable in a $100 million race, but not in a $2 billion one.

Without superPAC money he won't be able to counter the inevitable barrage of negative ads from the Koch Brothers, the NRA, the National Right to Life Committee and anyone else whose pocket is going to get a lot lighter after Sanders' election.

And God, Buddha, Cthulhu, Allah, Vishnu and the Flying Spaghetti Monster all together won't be able to save him when the GOP remembers the East German Communist Party's post-reunification new name was the "Party of Democratic Socialism."

If he takes superPAC money, a lot of the people who love Bernie because he isn't beholden to big donors will bolt because he will have become a member of "the establishment."

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
102. Your lack of faith in the American people is sad.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:47 PM
Jan 2016

It seems like you have given up and accepted rule by money.

asuhornets

(2,406 posts)
100. Right..
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:44 PM
Jan 2016

And a vote for Bernie Sanders is a vote for any Republican candidate. When did a 74-year old Independent become the messiah of the Democratic Party?

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
101. (71 posts) your "concern" is noted.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:45 PM
Jan 2016

Lots of low-post members defending Hillary, I wonder why that is...

asuhornets

(2,406 posts)
104. Yep, I've heard that from Bernie supporters, but
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jan 2016

if I was a Bernie supporter I would be welcomed with open arms.


GO HILLARY!!!!

 

Gene Debs

(582 posts)
105. Probably when a Republican disguised as a Democrat in a pantsuit started pushing Republican policy.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:15 PM
Jan 2016

gordyfl

(598 posts)
109. More Ridiculous Talking Points for Hillary
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 04:39 PM
Jan 2016

I just heard former Michigan governor Jennifer Granholm use the same line Hillary used in one of the debates. It was on The Week ABC.

"Why should we pay for Donald Trump's children's college tuition?"

In reality, it would be Donald Trump paying for Americans who can't afford a college education.

I was listening with interest what she had to say, until she quoted Hillary's very misleading assertion about paying for Trump's children. It was then I realized she was just a talking head for Hillary.

Jennifer Granholm. Claire McCaskill. There is an army of them out there trying to take down Bernie.

demigoddess

(6,653 posts)
133. Over and over and over again,
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 09:59 PM
Jan 2016

this is beginning to be a really big drag.
Over and over and over again,
this is all you guys can say.

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