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Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:04 PM Jan 2016

Why Bernie Enthusiasm is important: down-ticket coat-tails.

Hillary may will the presidency, but she will be stuck with a GOP-run Congress. Only Bernie has the enthusiasm to get out enough voters to overwhelm GOP gerrymandering in the US House and in state legislatures. This is what the Bernie-Bashers howling about "realism" don't understand. The "realists" just meekly accept a GOP-ruled Congress, missing the point that the "delusional" enthusiasm for Bernie is exactly what is needed to take back Congress and the state legislatures.

Bernie will bring out a lot of people to vote that WILL stay home if Hillary is the nominee.

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mythology

(9,527 posts)
5. So the guy running on the idea that in general Democrats
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:20 PM
Jan 2016

Aren't liberal enough, is going to spark people to vote for those same Democratic candidates? How does that work exactly?

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
7. There are no down ballot Socialists
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:22 PM
Jan 2016

Candidates in swing states would be putting as much distance between themselves and Bernie.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
8. Bernie is our big chance for Dems to defeat the GOP and take back much of Congress
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:23 PM
Jan 2016

Not to mention to throw-off the shackles & blinders of 3rd Way Corporatism for good.

comradebillyboy

(10,279 posts)
9. Will Bernie's revoloutionary supporters back establisment Democrats?
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:57 PM
Jan 2016

It seems that his supporters have nothing but contempt for elected Democratic politicians. They are the establisment after all. I don't think Bernie has any coat tails.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
12. Will establishment Democrats back Sanders on Social Security and trade?
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 07:34 PM
Jan 2016

If yes, then I can't imagine many Democrats voting for someone who doesn't, or third party. In 2016 winning will be more about motivated voters, and not as much about motivated big donors. Woe unto the candidate who doesn't see that reality affecting their chances.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
11. That, and some R's crumbling and backing specific, popular, parts of what Sanders is running on
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 07:26 PM
Jan 2016

Expanding Social Security and Medicare aren't actually unpopular ideas among all Republican voters. Pound away on those issues and if some R's think it will keep them in office, they'll claim to be open to it. It's only a start to developing a wedge, but it is one way to get that going.

IIRC even the usually indefensible Huckabee said nice things about Social Security. OK, I just googled, and he did. National Review link, but that's what I get for googling Huckabee and Social Security.

Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee is setting out on a populist course in hopes of securing the Republican nomination for president in 2016. Among other things, he has come out against the next round of free-trade agreements. He also wants to be seen as the GOP defender of middle-class entitlement programs. In announcing his candidacy, he said, “If Congress wants to take away someone’s retirement, let them end their own congressional pensions — not your Social Security.”

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/418842/what-huckabee-plan-social-security-james-c-capretta


Right, so arguably there's some kind of wedge, on a few issues, that can be driven. Many Republican voters don't like our free trade agreements and Sanders has credibility on that issue. This can help us if our candidates for the House and Senate stick with Sanders on that.

Many of these Republicans, and most are older, take more than a passing interest in Social Security. Sanders has credibility in preserving it, and our down-ticket candidates can benefit by being on Sanders side on this. We need to force these issues, and with credibility. Just giving them a nod in our platform is not nearly enough.
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