"The establishment" = Social Security, SSI, VA, Medicare/Medicaid, ACA, GA, EEOC, FDA, SNAP, HUD,

[ucrdem]

FDIC, AFDC, support for labor unions, support for LGBT and reproductive rights, FTC, FDA, FDC, and many other federally operated or regulated services and programs including, yes, the banking and finance sectors in addition to the mil-intel operations which, as objectionably massive as they are, have grown less so in the current Democratic administration.

That's a lot of moving parts to coordinate, which is not a game for amateurs or "deciders" who delegate day-to-day operations to a power-mad minister who can handle them. President Obama may not be the best delegater but that's partly why we're on the cusp of an economic expansion that not even FOX and CNN will be able to ignore: low oil prices, low interest rates, new industries, TPP (which will create new jobs in those new industries), and reduced military expenditures are eventually going to produce a widely-felt recovery that the next administration will likely get credit for -- as long as they don't blow it.

I don't think Hillary will blow it, but I don't know of any other candidate on either side who is up to the task.

[Thinkingabout]

1. In fact, I will concur with the experience of the establishment, and such programs you

have listed is one of a few, thanks for your post. One could say a long standing group such as NAACP is apart of the establishment also, Sanders is wrong on disparaging unions and groups who have worked so hard to raise up the middle class.

[ucrdem]

2. Heck yes.

I was also thinking of Bernie's plan to re-legislate the ACA, which is a fool's errand if ever there was one.

[riversedge]

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[Half-Century Man]

3. So....anything that currently exists is part of the "Establishment"?

And Wall Street powerhouses and the multiple Intelligence Agencies have shrunk and are less powerful due to actions of the Obama Administration?




Cool story

[ucrdem]

8. Do you have a better definition?

As for regulating Wall Street and reducing military expenditures: 1) Dodd-Frank reform, and 2) "How Obama Shrank the Military":

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodd–Frank_Wall_Street_Reform_and_Consumer_Protection_Act

2. http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-obama-shrank-the-military-1438551147

[mmonk]

4. Today's establishment puts Social Security on the table,

endlessly works at cutting benefits to many social programs for "budget" reasons, likes privitization ideas, etc.

[cali]

5. False. So fucking false.

Programs are not the same thing as references to the democratic establishment. Not even related. But your op is so very Clintonian.

[Fumesucker]

6. It depends on what the definition of "is" is...

[riversedge]

10. ah, but Sanders said Advocacy groups low income & discrimination (PP&HRC) ARE establishment.

[cali]

12. Not everything that comes out of the dem establishment is bad.

And Bernie has never said that.

[retrowire]

43. No, not what the groups do. It's the groups handlers.

Do try to keep up.

[ucrdem]

11. Do tell.

Anxiously awaiting the new definition of establishment.

[artislife]

34. This IS the silly season. nt

[riversedge]

7. You forgot PP & HRC

[ucrdem]

9. Yes indeed!

[NorthCarolina]

13. Today's establishment Democrats would never have voted to create

any of those programs. Even now, they work to weaken them any chance they get. Chained CPI anyone?

[ucrdem]

14. Today's establishment Democrats created ACA, without a single GOP vote

and have managed to preserve it in the teeth of repeated attempts to repeal it. Tomorrow's establishment Democrats will have to keep fighting the same battle, and if anyone thinks they're going to get an entirely new and better healthcare program through both houses anytime soon, they're sadly mistaken.

[NorthCarolina]

15. Today's establishment Democrats created ACA, a for-profit Insurance mandate,

as a firewall against the implementation of Single Payer or a public option.

[ucrdem]

17. It also regulates the plans and allows for a public option in states that adopt it.

How many have? And why would that change?

[NorthCarolina]

22. LOL. Do you have any idea HOW that provision you cite got added to the ACA?

Clue: It wasn't the establishment Democrats that added it.

Take a WAG and see if you can figure out who should really be credited for it's inclusion.


If you need a hint, here's a video that will help you out:

You can scroll ahead to about 2:50 mins in so you don't have to suffer the whole anti-establishment video.

[ish of the hammer]

24. BEAUTY !!

[NorthCarolina]

25. I love it when they blindly walk in shit of their own making.

[ucrdem]

28. Lovely. nt

[artislife]

38. Perfect! nt

[ucrdem]

27. Did you know that single payer failed in Vermont?

Here's what the Democratic governor said when he pulled the plug in December 2014:

“In my judgment,” said Shumlin at a press conference, “the potential economic disruption and risks would be too great to small businesses, working families, and the state’s economy.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/12/21/6-reasons-why-vermonts-single-payer-health-plan-was-doomed-from-the-start/#7155584c277d

Do you know no other states have passed single payer either? So what makes you think Congress would pass a plan that couldn't even pass muster in Vermont?

[NorthCarolina]

32. Nothing ventured, nothing gained

is what my momma always said.

I'll take my chances with Sanders thank you very much. He, at least, is trying to change the equation. I'm not really of a mind set to vote for status quo. Nice attempt at deflection, but I will admit that I am pleased to see you are in complete agreement with me that Senator Sanders addition to the ACA that permits individual states to create a public option made it a much better program that that originally drafted by the establishment cronies in the Democratic Party. Guess it was a good thing for the people that Bernie was in DC looking out for their best interests during the negotiations.

[ucrdem]

37. We ventured. It's available.

How would a do-over end with a different result?

[artislife]

39. Difference between true winners and true losers.

[ucrdem]

45. Winners know when they've won.

Losers keep insisting they've lost. You're pining for something you already have, namely, single payer. That seems to be a pattern. Renegotiate NAFTA, done, but let's renegotiate NAFTA! Shrink the military, done, but let's shrink the military! Regulate banking, done, but let's regulate banking, etc.

Not exactly inspirational. Well to some I suppose.

[artislife]

49. Dang!

I am glad you are supporting h.

Because according to your "logic", she wouldn't be running this cycle. She lost. Already.

[NorthCarolina]

54. Calling it a "do over" is disingenuous at best.

I'm sure that you know he is really talking about expanding beyond ACA to Medicare for all, and that ACA would logically remain intact during the transition to a single payer system. Why the need to "fib"?

[cherokeeprogressive]

16. Awesome. Rainbows and butterflies just around the corner if we'll only get with The Program.

I'm going to seriously rethink my support.

Hillary. Yay. Man that's inspiring.

[ucrdem]

20. That's a good start.

A little more each time ...

[mcar]

19. K&R

[Iliyah]

21. Most of my family are teachers for Public Schools which as always from the propaganda corporate

media never get credit.

[libdem4life]

23. I am reminded of a quote, supposedly attributed to Henry Ford. "I may not be the smartest

man in the world, but I know how to find those who are." I think we agree, he did just that...the Father of the common automobile.

I think Bernie would agree with that 100%. He doesn't have to be an accountant to choose a Secretary of the Treasury. He doesn't have to be a consummate warrior or pacificst to choose a competent Secretary of Defense.

That's what Leaders do. They surround themselves with Leaders more capable of their expertise than they are. I'm sure you get the point.

[notadmblnd]

26. The establishment is a dominant group or elite that holds power

or authority in a nation or organization. NOT the nation or organization itself.

Sorry, you lose. Please play again.

[farleftlib]

29. Thank you

This can't even be ascribed to right church, wrong pew thinking. It's a completely different building altogether.

[ucrdem]

30. Ah. The establishment is not the establishment

except when it is. Of course!

[notadmblnd]

36. Now you just sound silly.

Go ahead- cling to your contorted view of what the establishment is.

[m-lekktor]

35. It behooves the Hillary people to be willfully obtuse and blur the lines between

the management of these liberal organizations and the actual mission of the organizations so they claim criticism of the management is actually criticism of the MISSION of the organization ie Bernie is against women or Bernie is against the gays!! I can't believe Hillary people are actually that fucking STUPID so it has to be feigned willful obtuseness so they can have a strawman to howl about.

[notadmblnd]

40. I just think some are incapable of thinking critically-

And what constitutes the establishment isn't even a hard question. Yeah, obtuse IS the word for it.

[pinebox]

31. Wait! Aren't those all "Socialist"!?!?!?!?

Had to XD

[ucrdem]

33. Make it socialistic and it's a deal.

[pinebox]

41. lol deal!

[retrowire]

44. Those groups are not establishment.

It is their handlers that are apart of the establishment. Do try to keep up.

Also, I can't believe you actually stated the TPP would provide more jobs... You're half right. But the jobs won't be here.

[ucrdem]

46. Definition, from multiple dictionaries: "institution."

es·tab·lish·ment - iˈstabliSHmənt noun:

1. the action of establishing something or being established.

synonyms: foundation, institution, formation, inception, creation, installation; More

2. a business organization, public institution, or household.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=establishmetn+definition&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#newwindow=1&safe=off&q=establishment+definition

[retrowire]

47. Right

So do you think Bernie is calling them establishments based on what their front doors say or based on other establishments their handlers are apart of?

[ucrdem]

48. I think he means the Obama administration.

But that's just me, YMMV. The point is that it's basically a talking point and if you look at what it actually means most of us would want to preserve it.

[retrowire]

51. It's not that either.

The "establishment" as we refer to it, is the network of the wealthy, the backdoor deals, the bourgeosie, the elites, all working together and pulling the strings to make the oligarchy work as it does. It supercedes our government's control, while pretending everything is fine.

Obama has done good work, but he too has been restrained by this elitist establishment. I don't blame him personally, I believe he went in with good intentions and then he was strong armed by the majority of Republicans to play along.

I think most believe, as do I, that the establishment is mostly rooted to the right. In money, in favor of corporate interests and business. It doesn't care for the little people. So the establishment is truly dominating over in the Republican party. When people point out centrist democrats or Democrats who also play too nicely with those interests, we see our Democratic Party, the party of the people, in danger of swinging right.

We see that in Hillary's actions and lifestyle. We don't see it in Bernie's.

To put it short, money corrupts, Money corrupted the Republican party LONG ago, and now it's encroaching on the Democratic Party.

This post had no snark in it, and I hope you were genuinely curious to know which establishment we're referring to when we use the word.

[whatchamacallit]

50. You forgot an acronym: LAME

[Kelvin Mace]

52. You mean all those programs that Center-Right Dems like HRC

have helped undermine or said they were open to "reforming"?

[hollysmom]

53. I would classify these as progressive programs by a progressive president,

Heck I might even classify them as socialist programs.