"Hillary Clinton Is Not The Second Coming Of Harriet Tubman!" Leslie Wimes

[pocoloco]

What is the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, right?

How many times are black people going to place their eggs in a Clinton basket and expect something different?

Other than play the saxophone and have an office in Harlem, why do we love Bill, and other than being married to Bill, why do we love Hillary?

http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/hillary-clinton-not-second-coming-harriet-tubman

[synergie]

1. Well that was a ridiculous unhinged rant.

[jeff47]

4. You know, it's so hard to keep up with the rules.

So...now attacking people of color is just fine? So odd that the only acceptable option was to shut up and listen when people of color attacked Sanders.

[synergie]

8. Um, I was referring to the rather nonsensical and unhinged rant of the author of the article,

and apparently you do enjoy attacking people of color, if they state their opinions and they are not sufficiently worshipful of your dear leader.

So odd that when anyone disagrees with you, they must be racist, or when one calls out an unhinged rant for being what it is, it MUST be due to the race or skin color of the ranter.

Why do you attack POC for failing to join your cult? It's so odd that you don't realize your own hypocrisy about how you wish to shut up actual people of color who refuse to take their orders from you and all the outrage white folks who insist that people of color, be they black or any of the other wide variety of technicolor skin colors, races and ethniciities simply won't shut up and follow the rules you insist on imposing on us for thinking for ourselves and calling out the inanity and insanity where we find it, without regard to anyone's color but on the content of their printed words.

[jeff47]

10. And when people said the same thing about some of what BLM protesters said

they were continuously attacked for it. Heck, pointing out things that were factually incorrect (ie. not a Sanders rally) was abhorrent.

But now? Why it's just fine to attack. It's just a reasonable response to a nonsensical attack.

[synergie]

58. Ah, so you've decided that the tu quoque fallacy somehow supports you here?

Sorry, but you're engaging in an nonsensical attack here and this lady and her article are indeed ridiculous.

No facts involved here at all, and dragging in unrelated and instances of your own perception to make your accusations really is a fail for you.

Attacking me for the reasons you claim is just as bad and you're just as wrong as the things you perceived to be so evil.

Either you think what you perceived (and it's a perception issues and a subjective one) was so very wrong, or you think it's so justified that you've chosen to engage in it yourself.

Such hypocrisy on your part. Also, both this crazy ranting lady and those people you claimed to be so offended by have the right to express their own opinions, arguing as you do that anything is A-OK if it's done by a Bernie supporter really just underscores the double standards and hypocrisy that permeates the Bernieverse.

[jeff47]

60. Do you need another shovel? Your previous one seems to be getting dull.

And that hole won't dig itself.

Also, both this crazy ranting lady and those people you claimed to be so offended by have the right to express their own opinions

The sound going over your head is this is about your reaction to her article, compared to similar reactions to BLM protesters.

When it was BLM protesters, even pointing out actual facts like "It wasn't a Sanders rally" was unacceptable. People making such corrections were castigated for not listening.

Here, you claiming she's crazy is supposed to be just fine. And your evidence for her being crazy is nothing beyond "She's crazy". You've demonstrated you're utterly unable to respond to the article itself, so you're deriding the author as "crazy" with zero evidence.

[synergie]

121. Keep it, you and your friends seem to be enjoying digging yourself in deeper.

[roguevalley]

61. its only ridiculous because it rips the mask off HRC and BC. Listen to what she said

Bernie has nothing to do with her commentary. Its all about HRC and BC and their actions. BILL CLINTON IS NOT THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT! That signal honor will always belong to Obama. Nothing but insults.

[synergie]

99. Yeah, you might want to look up the source and the commenter, just because the

ridiculousness that she spews sounds sweet to you, it doesn't follow that it's factual, based on reality or even remotely sane.

Try ripping the blinders from your eyes and figure out when you've actively being played and manipulated to do Rove's bidding. Why are you Bernie folks so very credulous and why won't you ever do your homework?

[beam me up scottie]

62. You're really calling her "this crazy ranting lady" ?

[Warren DeMontague]

84. Can you imagine if a Sanders Supporter used that kind of nasty language about

the President of the Democratic African American Women Caucus?

OH MY FUCKING GOD we'd be hearing about it for the next five thousand years.

[beam me up scottie]

88. They're actually accusing this proud, educated, liberal Democratic leader of being mentally ill.

Unbelievable.

[synergie]

98. Well, if anyone here was an educated Democratic leader, then perhaps they

might have noticed that this article they posted was from a right wing outlet?

[Ken Burch]

107. The source doesn't matter. They didn't tell her what to say.

We have already proved that HRC isn't the only Dem who can win.

[Warren DeMontague]

114. apparently you're not educated.

all the educated democratic leaders are supporting who they've been told to, silly!

[Ken Burch]

116. You mean, she doesn't "know her place"? n/t.

[Warren DeMontague]

117. I know, isn't it fucking unbelievable?

Gah, the wheels really start to come off the bus when the inevitability starts to be called into question.

[Ken Burch]

120. The worst part is when they throw you under the bus just as the wheels come off.

That always leaves a mark.

[synergie]

126. They certainly do, do you need assistnce with that bus of yours with all those lost wheels?

There is nothing at all unbelievable about Bernie supporters promoting a right wing rag and attacks on Hillary through blatant racism.

Too bad your annointed one's poll numbers are not living up to your hopes, I guess the desperation leads to lapping up literally any unhinged rant on the internet, no matter how ridiculous.

[synergie]

124. Apparently the great white liberal thinks I don't know my place and should

just do what you white folks say and shut up, or "dig myself a hole" or otherwise just do as you say.

[synergie]

123. Apparently you're fond of projecting, and aren't you the ones telling us all

who to support? Silly, the voices in your head feeding you these lines are not external!

[synergie]

119. The source does actually matter, and just because she trashes someone you don't like

it doesn't make her ridiculous rant any less ridiculous.

[Ken Burch]

122. You can't point to anything in her piece that isn't true.

If you could, you'd have done so by now.

[synergie]

127. And waste perfectly good time and energy on folks whose knee jerk reaction is racist

idiocy and lame attempts at snark?

Why bother? You're not capable of even dealing with basic questions like, is this woman who she claims she is, a "Democratic leader" and what exactly is the Sunshine State News?

It's an unhinged rant.

[Ken Burch]

136. Simply calling it an unhinged rant is not a rebuttal.

And it can't be racist to defend an African American woman from slanders about her mental health.

[synergie]

141. It is pretty racist to try to dictate to me how I am allowed to express my

Opinion, and yes, it is racist to be dictating this to a woman of color who thinks this woman and her right wing rag are indeed unhinged, which is not a mental health diagnosis, but thank you for your pretense at caring about the rights of women of color as you attack one for expressing her views.

At least you do mot pretend that this is not a right wing attack, on a right wing site and being spread by right wingers via the echo chamber. Hiding behind certain people of color who say the things you know to be racist is how right wingers have tried to vent their racism. This has never worked for you and fails you here. This screed required no rebuttal, it was inane and insane on its face, as are most right wing screeds on this script, every time a dusky used person has been found to make them. It is not even original.

[Ken Burch]

143. 1. Nobody actually knew your race, or told you how to express your opinion.

2. The African-American woman who wrote the piece is a Democrat, not a right-winger. That is not in dispute

3. There was nothing in the article that was right-wing, or unhinged, and nothing that hurts the Democratic Party or POC.

4. The idea that HRC is the only Dem who can win has been totally discredited, therefore it is not racist to oppose HRC.

[beam me up scottie]

140. Who cares where it was posted? Are Democrats no longer Democrats because of where they're published?

Now you're going to question her easily confirmed political affiliation because you don't like where her letter was posted?

How bizarre.

[synergie]

102. From the content of the GD-P, nasty language is pretty much the currency of the Bernie supporters.

Did you even bother to check if that's an actual thing? OMFG, how gullible are you people?

[Warren DeMontague]

111. if what is an actual thing? Both the person in question and you, presumably, exist.

If you're claiming you didn't call this woman an "unhinged crazy ranting lady" and worse, it's right here in the thread.

So I'm not sure what isn't an "actual thing", here.

[synergie]

115. Where did I make or imply any such thing? I said this lady was unhinged and ranting and I stand

by that assessment.

Did you bother to check if her organization is what you think it is? Or check to see if the source was credible, or was it just, "oh look she's trashing Hillary so she must be the real deal!"

[jfern]

142. BOOM!!!

The double standard is deafening!

[synergie]

100. So you don't know what irony is, and you've done as little homework on that

as you have this lady with a screw loose and the right wing rag she's published in?

Yes, your irony meter is broken.

[cali]

11. There was nothing unhinged about the article.

[beam me up scottie]

14. The author you keep calling unhinged is president of the Democratic African American Women Caucus.

Leslie Wimes is president and founder of Women on the Move and the Democratic African American Women Caucus, www.daawc.com. She lives in Palm Beach County. This commentary is reprinted from Wimes' Women on the Move website with the author's permission.

After reading her well written article and comparing it to your posts in this thread I can't help but wonder at the irony of your accusations.

[synergie]

103. And of course you actually looked up the organization to see that it was legitimate, right?

Just like you looked up the "Sunshine News" page to see if this publication no one has ever heard of was legitimate, right?

What's kind of sad is that what's "well written" to you is whatever feeds your bias, and you can't actually figure out the irony of people who claim to be "true democrats" and somehow supporting African Americans, but repeat right wing and rather racist talking points that cater to their own bigotry.

She's quite unhinged, and as to that site, perhaps you should take a little look around and see how "well written" the rest of that right wing rag is? Compare and contrast and then learn what irony is.

[Warren DeMontague]

113. The Democratic African American Womens Caucus absolutely is an existing organization.

I suspect your criteria for a "legitimate organization" is "one that supports Hillary Clinton for the Democratic Nomination"

[synergie]

118. I suspect that many of you assumptions are incorrect, rather often.

Way to move the goalposts though. I asked if it was a legitimate one, as in, is it actually Democratic, does it exist beyond this one woman and her roomates etc.

You clearly didn't do your homework about the publication, and I suspect that your criteria for "legitimacy" is simply "one that trashes Clinton" no matter how ridiculously, in fact the more ridiculous, the more legitimate, right? That seems to be how you guys work here.

You must love Rove these days, he shares your visceral hatred of Hillary and provides so many of your talking points, via the Sunshine Times, which doesn't bother to hide it's right wing credentials or it's dishonesty.

[Tanuki]

144. It's "an existing organization" founded by none other than Leslie Wimes 15 months ago.

http://www.bizapedia.com/fl/DEMOCRATIC-AFRICAN-AMERICAN-WOMENS-CAUCUS-INC.html



"Democratic African-American Women's Caucus, Inc. is a Florida Domestic Non-Profit Corporation filed on October 7, 2014. The company's filing status is listed as Active and its File Number is N14000009270.

The Registered Agent on file for this company is Wimes Leslie and is located at xxxxxx, Boca Raton, FL 33431. The company's principal address is xxxxxx, Boca Raton, FL 33431 and its mailing address is xxxxxxx, Boca Raton, FL 33431.

The company has 1 principal on record. The principal is Leslie Wimes from Boca Raton FL.
(Although I redacted the addresses for privacy, Wimes' own address is the same as both of the others).

[Warren DeMontague]

145. The BLM "leaders" who forced Sanders offstage in Seattle put their group together the previous DAY.

Fifteen months is a lifetime, compared to that.



Anyway, the "established" Florida leadership, like Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who allied herself with Republican Sheldon Adelson to defend sticking sick people in prison for using medical marijuana, is no great shakes either.

But it's nice to know this woman's opinion doesnt count, to you guys.

[beam me up scottie]

139. Now you're calling her a RACIST?

Someone has issues with race and it's not the author.

I'll just leave it at that because after witnessing your continued crusade to smear this woman simply because she dissed Hillary I feel like I need a shower.

[DonCoquixote]

22. er funny as jeff was defending the op

by an AA, which you attacked.

[synergie]

104. I have no idea what that's supposed to mean, I attacked the unhinged rant, you supplied the racism,

[DonCoquixote]

130. supplied it?

Please. As if allowing and defending that right of an African American woman to speak her mind without people accusing her of an "unhinged rant" is racism. Of course, you will probably ignore the fact then when AA's speak their mind, they get insulted and accused of ranting. You could have disagreed with her, even addressed some of her points, but now, you called it an unhinged rant because you simply felt you had a right to. That, my friend , is the "privilege" we browns and the blacks cannot even mention lest we get a mob of irate people who want to ban us because we hurt their feelings.

[synergie]

132. Actually it's pretty racist to insist that any act of criticism of someone who happens to be

a person of color is not allowed. Are we only allowed to call out unhinged rants when they're coming from white people?

So you're just being a misogynist when you applaud the attack on a woman, despite the fact that insulting and abusing women who won't knuckle down and "know their place" is pretty common? Even encouraging other women to do the attacking so that you can hide behind them?

It's a rather obviously right wing and rather unhinged rant.

Well as a person of color and part of a group that's a minority among the browns and the blacks, I see you using your privilege to shut me up, because apparently I don't enjoy the right as a woman of color to speak my own mind without being attacked. And the mob of you folks who are irate and want to ban me because I hurt your feelings by pointing out obvious right wing attacks?

Your hypocrisy and your persecution complex (as you persecute) are hilarious. And who appointed you to be the spokesperson of "we browns and blacks" anyway? You don't speak for me or the majority of us who are not on the Bernie bandwagon because we've been told that's what we should do.

[DonCoquixote]

134. misogynist?

for insisting this woman had the right to speak her mind without being accused of ranting? YOU are the one attacking her, unless of course accusing someone of an "unhinged rant" has somehow changed. The OP has a right to her opinion, as you do yours, however, if you accuse someone of a rant, expect people to disagree.

And this is genius:

"I see you using your privilege to shut me up, because apparently I don't enjoy the right as a woman of color to speak my own mind without being attacked"

Again, who attacked whom. You attacked the op, a woman of color. Is it racist to defend her right to have an opinion without being accused of an "unhinged rant" (YOUR WORDS..YOUR WORDS).

and as far as shutting you up, you were trying to shut the op up. I think everyone, regardless of color, has a right to all the opinions we want, the more compel, the BETTER.

As far as who appointed me, frankly, I have the right to speak about my experiences, you yours, and the OP hers, period. Some people had have goopd Hillary experiences, some bad ones, and they all have a right to speak.

[cherokeeprogressive]

31. FUCK the cult bullshit will you please?

[synergie]

105. No thank you, your cultishness is nothing I have any interest in, and perhaps if you'd stop

behaving like a cult, people will stop likening you to one.

[CorporatistNation]

6. Very Ignorant retort! The Poster Makes The MOST Solid of Points. Simple and Correct!

Hillary is a caricature with a history of performance that is not favorable based on her actions and decisions with not one other person to blame BUT HERSELF!

[synergie]

108. Yes, pretty much any and all Clinton bashing is "simple and correct" no matter how

ridiculously racist or nonsensical. You guys seem to be caricatures yourself with your gullible and desperate need to believe literally anything the right wing feeds you, no matter how ludicrous.

[Ken Burch]

125. Where was the racism in this?

You've mocked the article, but you still haven't actually been able to prove anything wrong in it.

You haven't addressed what she said here at all.

[libdem4life]

18. "ridiculous unhinged rant" ... by a perfectly calm and respectful poster. Not.

OPO...Other People's Opinions ... that's what gets expressed here. If you don't like them, come up with a real reason...not some rhetorical attack.

[synergie]

128. Gee, that's not hypocritical at all, right? or do only those opinions of poeple who echo your bias

count?

[libdem4life]

129. Oh, Please.

[artislife]

33. I liked it. nt

[Gene Debs]

63. I didn't see anything particularly untrue in it.

[Warren DeMontague]

83. 'unhinged' was last week.

I guess you must be on the "B" loop, for the talking points.

[snagglepuss]

92. LOL

[MrMickeysMom]

93. No it isn't.

[Ed Suspicious]

2. Well, she has a point.

[peacebird]

3. Wow! Fantastic article!

[ejbr]

5. She speaks for this black man

thank you sistah...

[mcar]

7. Who said she is?

[synergie]

9. Clearly, when any unhinged person decides to say anyting against Hillary, it is gospel truth.

And calling out the sheer insanity of it must be racism, because all people with a certain level of melanin should just sit back and shut up follow mindlessly whenever anyone decides to say something that the Bernie supporters approve of.

[cali]

12. Who the Hell are you to decide if someone is mentally ill?

[synergie]

109. She's pretty hysterical and as a literate, intelligent person not blinde by

Clinton Derangement Syndrome, I'm pretty qualified. Note that I didn't diagnose any actual mental illness, you don't have to have an organic disease spelled out in the DSM to be posting unhinged political rants meant to attack on an ad hominem level and say stupid things about Harriet Tubman for literally no reason at all.

Seems like you Bernie supporters are quite upset when anyone questions any of your fellow Bernie folks.

[intersectionality]

147. Wow, keep blowing that whistle harder...

"Hysterical..." "Unhinged..." Classic attacks on women and people of color who speak their minds. Where is that irony jpg again?

[Fawke Em]

16. Because a registered nurse who founded a 75,000-member women's group is unhinged.

Leslie Wimes is a Registered Nurse, who was working in Cardiovascular Intensive Care, until she decided to form Women On The Move. Women On The Move is a South Florida based networking group that promotes positivity in professional and personal areas. Women On The Move acts as a resource for Women all over the world, for networking, sharing of ideas, advice, etc. It showcases the strength and diversity of women.

[artislife]

36. Well.. if that doesn't prove her/his point...

That poster is doing the typical twist and turn to get the subject off the OP and onto their own issue.

[Fawke Em]

45. Yes: they think supporting a non-establishment candidate is unhinged.

What? You're PoC and you don't support The Anointed One™? You MUST be crazy.

[artislife]

57. I am crazy...for Bernie! nt

[synergie]

112. where did anyone but you Bernie guys say anything even remotely like that?

What? The person you're attacking expressed an opinion you didn't like, so you have to make shit up?

The "anointed one" seems to be Bernie, per the cultishness that has infected this site.

[synergie]

110. Wow, talk about twisting and turning, what issue do you imagine that to be?

[synergie]

106. I said the rant was unhinged, and it is.

Please link to where you're getting this information from, since very little of that screed was 'promoting positivity' in any area.

Is this is even a real organization?

[Tanuki]

146. Are you sure she was an RN? The Florida Department of Health website doesn't show anyone

by that name as having ever held an RN license. The website shows all statuses---current, inactive, void, and retired.
https://appsmqa.doh.state.fl.us/MQASearchServices/HealthCareProviders

[libdem4life]

21. We get your Victim Status..."sit back and shut up" no one else has ever said, to my knowledge.

[artislife]

37. Zing!

[cherokeeprogressive]

32. "sheer insanity"... Hyperbole much?

[KingFlorez]

13. I've never heard anyone say that

Who is this person? Clearly they aren't well if they would write something this dumb.

[Fawke Em]

17. Is Google not working for you today?

http://mywomenonthemove.com/what-we-do/

http://mywomenonthemove.com/bio/

Seems to me she's a person used to working with women in need.

[KingFlorez]

23. That was a rhetorical question

I really am not interested in this person's bio. I just want to know who referred to Hillary Clinton as Harriet Tubman.

[Fawke Em]

25. That was rhetorical, too.

The author was trying to point out that Hillary is NOT the savior of black people she tries to think she is.

[KingFlorez]

28. Clinton has never said she was a savior

And I'm not sure anyone can be inside Hillary's mind to know what she is thinking.

[artislife]

42. What are you even aruguing?

Everyone from Martin to Bernie to Hillary to Trump tries to decifer what is in the minds of the candidates...because it helps us chose who we will vote for. Because what is in their minds might actually materialize in the real world.


This doubling down on weird memes is very interesting and surprising and a little sickening at the same time.

[BlueMTexpat]

39. Exactly - creating a straw person

and shooting it down.

A favorite tactic for some - so long as it is always used against HRC.

[libdem4life]

43. You might want to check out Post #9. Seems it cuts both ways, which is unfortunate

for sole victim status.

[BlueMTexpat]

46. Well - I did check it out, but

your point eludes me.

My post wasn't even related to Post #9. I was responding to another poster altogether. So far as that person and I know, no person has ever equated Hillary Clinton with Harriet Tubman. Can you please cite and link to an instance where that has happened?

[libdem4life]

51. It's a Straw Issue...what if...make believe...etc. I don't get into personalities, sorry.

I think it's OK to respond to someone who didn't respond to you first. I kind of thought that's what a message board was.

[BlueMTexpat]

52. Uh - OK, I think.

[libdem4life]

56. Peace.

[99Forever]

15. K&R

[highprincipleswork]

19. Some reflection on this could be very good.

[kath]

20. Very, very good article.

Excerpts:

Black people need to realize when they are appreciated, and when they are being used.
{snip}
We talk about how our African-American men are disproportionately behind bars, and here Hillary Clinton is, taking large sums of money from the private prison industry.

She talks a lot about her advocacy for children -- black children, Latino children, etc., but at the same time, she supports policies that send the parents of those children to jail.
I guess that makes the private prison industry folks who line her pockets happy, right?

What irks me most of all are the endorsements of the families of Trayvon Martin, Jordan Davis, and Eric Garner. These families have become OUR families in a way. Clinton knows that. I feel she is using that to get our votes via our empathy and sympathy for those families and the tragedies they suffered.

What is Hillary going to do next? Find the family of Emmett Till and send out an endorsement letter from them? I think if it were not for the fact that Sandra Bland’s family KNOWS the sincerity of Bernie Sanders -- he did what he did with them outside the public eye -- Hillary Clinton would have tried to get HER family to send out an endorsement letter.

I would imagine if Bernie Sanders asked that family to endorse him, they would. But it appears as though he is above using tragedy for personal gain.

Not Hillary Clinton.

The Latino community had it right when they told her that she was not their abuela.

Black folks, she ain’t your Madea, Harriet Tubman, Sista Souljah, Ride-or-die, or none of that.

I’m beginning to think she isn’t even your friend.

http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/hillary-clinton-not-second-coming-harriet-tubman

[dsc]

24. how dare the mother of Trayvon Martin, the family of Jordan Davis, and the family of Eric Garner

show agency of their own and endorse someone for President. Who on earth does this lady think she is?

[Fawke Em]

48. A thinking person.

Who on earth are YOU?

[roguevalley]

64. given that their sons had a good chance of going to jail because of hill and bill ideas and

policies not because they were bad children but because they were black, I think her points about their endorsements are good. I will never dispute a parent in agony trying to do the right thing but HRC and BC who created and/or support mass incarceration of 'SUPER PREDATORS' ... HRC's definition and speech, not mine, then one can wonder if they made the best choice to support her in the long run.

The ability to ignore, overlook or mitigate the facts as they are into something else has a cultish vibe to me and therefore, it undercuts the arguments you try to make if you take the FACTS and try to make them 'facts' or call into question the sanity, validity or humanity of those who disagree with you. She is an accomplished woman and her truths are backed by facts. Live with it.

[oasis]

137. When the family of Emmet Till was added to her rant, I placed her

somewhere between Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck on the "pseudo intellectual whacko" scale.

[uberblonde]

71. "Promotes positivity by and for women."

Nope, no irony there.

and here Hillary Clinton is, taking large sums of money from the private prison industry.

This would be so convincing -- except when you look at how much money they give to the Republicans. These are "she's expected to win, we'd better give her something or we'll be cut out of the discussion" donations. Nothing more. They know the Democrats are coming for private prisons.

This is especially troubling:

What irks me most of all are the endorsements of the families of Trayvon Martin, Jordan Davis, and Eric Garner. These families have become OUR families in a way. Clinton knows that. I feel she is using that to get our votes via our empathy and sympathy for those families and the tragedies they suffered.

In this scenario, these families have no apparent agency, or discernment. They are simply chess pieces, hypnotized into submission. Am I the only person who finds this repugnant?

I guess so.

[MineralMan]

26. Was she pretending to be?

I hadn't heard that, to tell the truth.

[whatchamacallit]

66. It's a comparative observation like 'Sanders is no Obama'

but you knew that MM... right?

[MineralMan]

72. OK, so has anyone actually compared Hillary to

Harriet Tubman? I hadn't seen that. OTOH, a lot of people have compared Sanders to Obama.

So, if you have a link to someone comparing Hillary to Tubman, please post it.

[whatchamacallit]

74. No one had to LiteralMan

The statement "She's no spring chicken" doesn't require anyone to have said the subject was. Hillary has been touted as a milestone for women. Tubman indeed was that, and Hillary Clinton is no Harriet Tubman.

[MineralMan]

75. So, the answer is nobody. Just as I thought.

Just as I said. Frankly, Harriet Tubman and Hillary Clinton have almost nothing in common. I can't imagine that comparison making any sense at all, really. I think someone just made it up for some reason. You appear to have confirmed that. Thanks!

[whatchamacallit]

76. Eh... the author of the piece linked in the OP made it up

Take it up with her.

[MineralMan]

95. My first reply was to the OP.

[uponit7771]

80. They're going to just make shit up now, the reports on HRC's 3rd arm are coming this week

[Skwmom]

27. I read a book about Harriet Tubman with my child. Now there is a woman that other women can be

proud of!

[KittyWampus]

29. When your opinion starts as stupid as "Clinton's not 2nd coming Harriet Tubman"

it's difficult to keep reading.

And just for STARTERS, she might want to look into Bill Clinton's days in Arkansas, when he had a significant number of African Americans on his staff even though his state is very white.

[bvar22]

54. It is also good to remember 2010,

when Obama sent Bill back to Arkansas to stump and fundraise for Blanche Lincoln who was FAILING in a close primary with an actual Democrat who believed in UNIONS and Health Care, Lt Gov Bill Halter.

They sent The Old Dog to predominantly Black Areas to rescue the failing and flailing Blanche Lincoln Primary telling them how much Lincoln had done for Black People, and Lincoln was their very best friend.

Union Busting, Welfare Reform, the Killing the Public Option, privatized prisons, and Tough on Crime did NOT "help" Black People.
NOTHING Senator Blanche Lincoln ever did was to help Black People.

"So what did the Democratic Party establishment do when a Senator who allegedly impedes their agenda faced a primary challenger who would be more supportive of that agenda? They engaged in full-scale efforts to support Blanche Lincoln.

* Bill Clinton traveled to Arkansas to urge loyal Democrats to vote for her, liberal groups for good measure.

*Obama recorded an ad for Lincoln which, among other things, were used to tell African-American primary voters that they should vote for her because she works for their interests.

*The entire Party infrastructure lent its support and resources to Lincoln — a Senator who supposedly prevents Democrats from doing all sorts of Wonderful, Progressive Things which they so wish they could do but just don’t have the votes for.

<snip>

What happened in this race also gives the lie to the insufferable excuse we’ve been hearing for the last 18 months from countless Obama defenders: namely, if the Senate doesn’t have 60 votes to pass good legislation, it’s not Obama’s fault because he has no leverage over these conservative Senators. It was always obvious what an absurd joke that claim was; the very idea of The Impotent, Helpless President, presiding over a vast government and party apparatus, was laughable. But now, in light of Arkansas, nobody should ever be willing to utter that again with a straight face.

Back when Lincoln was threatening to filibuster health care if it included a public option, the White House could obviously have said to her: if you don’t support a public option, not only will we not support your re-election bid, but we’ll support a primary challenger against you. Obama’s support for Lincoln did not merely help; it was arguably decisive, as The Washington Post documented today:"

<much more>

http://www.salon.com/2010/06/10/lincoln_6/

[Uponthegears]

68. Two words

Ricky Rector

[uponit7771]

81. +1

[KittyWampus]

30. Wimes is no second coming of Ta-Nehisi Coates. She blames the birth certificate crap on Hillary

She's from the "some people say" school of opinion writing:

There are still those who say Hillary and her camp were the source of the Jeremiah Wright scandal. She wanted to damage Obama however she could.

They say Hillary and her camp helped fuel the birth certificate issue, even though she knew it was a non-issue, she wanted to damage Obama anyway she could.

[cali]

34. Bwahaha. Poor little hill... And you.

[Beacool]

38. No, poor you who can't post something without insulting others.

This place has really gone down the tubes.

[roguevalley]

65. check out the hillary group. pot look into the kettle

[Beacool]

78. Hillary's group is for Hillary's supporters, just like Sanders' group

is there for his supporters. Those are the groups where people can freely say anything they want. This is GD Primaries, where ALL sides should be able to feel free to post without being bashed incessantly.

[KittyWampus]

40. No need to pity me Cali. And I question the judgement of any DU'er

of would agree with pinning the birth certificate crap on Hillary.

Other stuff? Possible.

But you go with that if it makes you feel good.

[cali]

41. Lol. I find blatant hypocrisy funny

Hill lies and smears and you have no problem with those facts.

[artislife]

44. Funny, isn't it. nt

[Fawke Em]

49. It's well-known her supporters did that.

No, there's been no definite links between Clinton and her supporters on who was behind that idea, but it smack more of political shenanigans than something some poor supporter cooked up somewhere.

And don't tell us what DUers would do. You'd think DUers would be for the liberal in this race, but there are many for the "no, we can't" CorpoCandidate.

[Warren DeMontague]

86. The Hillary campaign's behavior during the '08 primaries was reprhensible.

This is established historical fact.

[synergie]

133. It's a rigth wing site and she's parroting right wing talking points, the

CONS have been chanting that nonsense for some time now.

[jeff47]

138. The birth certificate crap was started by Sid Blumenthal during Clinton's 2008 campaign.

The right picked it up after Sid started it. Which is why Sid was forbidden a post in Clinton's State department.

[Beacool]

35. Gee, Ms. Wimes, I didn't realize she was attempting to be the modern Tubman.

It says a lot about the article that the comments are mostly coming from conservatives.

[Warren DeMontague]

85. you seem tense.

[retrowire]

47. A good read. nt

[senz]

70. +1 Very accomplished young woman. Good article.

[in_cog_ni_to]

50. THIS is a perfect example of the Clinton filth:

<snip>

Bill Clinton, who hilariously enough was jealous that Obama was going to be the REAL first black president, tried to demean him as only a black candidate in South Carolina and tried to brush him off as nothing. When Bill Clinton thought Rep. James Clyburn was “pulling strings” behind the scenes in South Carolina, where Hillary Clinton lost to Obama, he said to Clyburn, “If you bastards want a fight, you damn well will get one”. Don’t believe me, hear it from Clyburn’s own lips here. - <snip>

See more at: http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/hillary-clinton-not-second-coming-harriet-tubman#sthash.RYjI1vT1.dpuf

I couldn't agree more with the article. What has BILLARY done for the AA community? NAFTA, list 60,000 factories and millions of job, many of those jobs lost by AA's, PRISONS FOR PROFITS - and that disproportionately affects the AA community because of our racist, corrupt Judicial system and BILLARY'S Welfare Reform which disproportionately affects women and children, many of those are AA.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Nedsdag]

53. What did she say that was wrong?

I've still haven't forgiven the Clintons for the 2008 campaign. Do you expect me to forgive and forget this?

[Faux pas]

55. Kick!!!

[TIME TO PANIC]

59. K & R !

[senz]

67. OPs about pro-Sanders AAs draw so many comments from the Hill side

Maybe this is obvious, but it would appear that the Hill campaign is depending on the AA vote. I have to admire their organized discipline, like soldiers in an army. No spontaneity, all business.

But the fact is, Hillary and Bill have NO history of actively supporting AAs, while Bernie always stands up for AAs and always will.

[MisterP]

89. they're not just mad that the AA and Latino curves for Sanders are going up the same rate

as the total curves; their power structures and gatekeepers can no longer keep the existence of unapproved and unsanctioned candidates from the voters; people are going to start demanding things they need on their own instead of appealing only to the political class

[senz]

90. I hope you're right.

Your comment tells a story I want very much to believe, MisterP.

[MisterP]

91. no matter which group you slice it for, Sanders' trendline doesn't wiggle--

once people hear of him Clinton has nothing to offer: nobody goes back, nobody's won over, nobody's on the fence

they realize that there IS another candidate and that the party's been covering up that fact, that there IS another way of doing politics besides platitudes designed to prevent people from doing any digging into the record, no this-time-we've-learned-betters, no more rhetoric over reality, no more ignoring the big picture for cherrypicked "accomplishments," no more "vote for me and everything you ever want will happen--THIS time"; no more mudslinging, no more "HE doesn't care about you," no more "don't question YOUR candidate," no more pitting groups against each other

remember, they think they have a lock on the AA vote because there's no Black guy's running, and think that Rahm can patch things up with Black Chicago in time to clinch the AAs!

[senz]

97. Insightful comment.

Seems like you could write an article for online publication -- or at least an OP. I think you have some worthwhile things to say to the American people.

I so agree with, "once people hear of him Clinton has nothing to offer." It's true.

[shawn703]

69. I'm surprised at the reactions from Camp Weathervane

A Black Woman has an opinion that they don't like, and they call her "unhinged". Why don't you try treating POC with respect rather than trying to tear them down if they don't agree with you?

[Truprogressive85]

101. Uhoh

What do you expect

They are ok the guy who smeared of Anita Hill and got paid for it.

But he run media matters therefore all should be forgiven smh

[Truprogressive85]

73. let me sip this hot pipping tea

I appreciate people like Leslie Wimes spoke nothing but the truth

Hillary Clinton is not going to take us to any promise land, and if she elected she will continue with business as usual

sorry we cant afford with business as usual

[draa]

77. K+R!!!

Thanks for the read.

[uponit7771]

79. Yeap, another "hillary bad, Sanders good and you people aren't really smart for support her"

[Autumn]

82. Now that is one hell of a lot of logic and truth.

Wow.

[MisterP]

87. machine politics produces stories like THIS

http://abc7chicago.com/politics/mayor-working-overtime-to-win-black-vote-back/1150436/

(and, hey, there's a link to a video by our very own tomm2thumbs!)

[MrMickeysMom]

94. "Hillary knows that what is saving her butt now is the African-American community."

I'd add to that, the special emphasis she puts on "women" during her rhetoric. I see and hear it. Maybe it's because I am a woman who has had to stand up. But, I used my merits, not my gender to service public office. Either way, I realize people get screwed for having the integrity to run for office.

Still, more interesting in Leslie's missive are these points about the name, Clinton...

The only reason THAT is the case is because her NAME is familiar. I want her GAME to be familiar as well. It isn’t as fun as y’all think it is.

We talk about how our African-American men are disproportionately behind bars, and here Hillary Clinton is, taking large sums of money from the private prison industry.

She talks a lot about her advocacy for children -- black children, Latino children, etc., but at the same time, she supports policies that send the parents of those children to jail.


I guess that makes the private prison industry folks who line her pockets happy, right?

What irks me most of all are the endorsements of the families of Trayvon Martin, Jordan Davis, and Eric Garner. These families have become OUR families in a way. Clinton knows that. I feel she is using that to get our votes via our empathy and sympathy for those families and the tragedies they suffered.

What is Hillary going to do next? Find the family of Emmett Till and send out an endorsement letter from them? I think if it were not for the fact that Sandra Bland’s family KNOWS the sincerity of Bernie Sanders -- he did what he did with them outside the public eye -- Hillary Clinton would have tried to get HER family to send out an endorsement letter.

I would imagine if Bernie Sanders asked that family to endorse him, they would. But it appears as though he is above using tragedy for personal gain.

- See more at: http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/hillary-clinton-not-second-coming-harriet-tubman#sthash.TSutPcLa.dpuf

[WillyT]

96. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[Uncle Joe]

131. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, pocoloco.

[Truprogressive85]

135. Black people are told to vote for "Pragmatic Democrats " who end up screwing us

ppl like Rahm and Jay Nixon are perfect examples , they get elected and that kick us to the curb when we ask them to look into the police brutality or any issues within the black community