On big dreams: JFK: "Let's go to the moon!". Sanders: "free college free health care!"

[hill2016]

JFK: "Ask not what your country can do for you--ask what you can do for your country."

Sanders: "Ask what you can get from your country!"

[Ken Burch]

1. Bernie doesn't just promise to give people stuff. He joins us in working for the world we need.

Your candidate calls on us all to give up all dreams forever.

And it's far more heroic to fight for free healthcare and college, than going to the moon. Free healthcare and college can liberate the people. Going to the moon ended up being meaningless.

True heroism is trying to change life.

It's sad that you think we shouldn't try to do that.

[Cassiopeia]

53. It wasn't meaningless.

It did provide inspiration for so many to chase dreams.

It also provided us reliable transportation systems for ICBM's.

[Autumn]

2. The American people pay their taxes, it about fucking time those tax dollars benefit them.

[Jefferson23]

3. LOL

That is the most blatant right wing attack I have seen thus far.

You're not kidding are you?

[neverforget]

4. You do realize that it was taxes that paid for the trips to the moon right?

[Autumn]

5. No, don't ruin it

[KittyWampus]

67. Yes, and the EVIL ESTABLISHMENT was fully behind it too.

[neverforget]

75. Uh what?

[draa]

6. Nope.

I don't want free stuff. I just want the +$500K that they stole from me in 2008 back.

I don't need free shit but it'd be nice to get my own stuff back at least. Or the equivalent.

[pa28]

25. I keep thinking about the Ned Beatty speech from "Network".

Not sure if you've seen it your comment reminded me of that but kind of in reverse. They've taken and now they must put it back.

[draa]

33. I hadn't seen it but I am as pissed as Beatty in that clip.

Thanks for sharing.

[Odin2005]

65. That movie was prophetic.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

7. On big dreams: Hillary: "No, we can't do that."

Education is a benefit to society, not just to the individual. Free college would make education possible for less affluent people without chaining them to lifelong debt, which is a detriment to society and not just the individual. The many thousands of people who are saddled with crushing student loans are pretty much stuck in their parents' basements, unable to buy homes or start families. How is this good for the country? Seems to me that free college would be my contribution as a taxpayer to the future prosperity of people who would in turn help the next generation of students.

Same with single payer health care that covers everybody without for-profit private insurance companies siphoning 20% or more off the top. Everybody can go to the doctor. Nobody has to worry about satisfying a high deductible or covering co-pays. The ACA is an improvement but it still leaves a lot of people out. Health care for everyone benefits everyone else. Fewer people would be sick and unable to work - and unable to pay taxes, having to rely instead on welfare, which we all pay for. And single payer is ultimately cheaper than private coverage. How is this not good for all of us?

But Hillary says no because we just can't do that. We can't dream or hope for a better country - just more of the same.

[Not Sure]

43. Nice graphic and comment! (nt)

[Mike__M]

8. K&R - for the zany humor of it

"No We Can't!"

[daleanime]

9. You don't like the idea....

of investing in Americans?

[HassleCat]

10. Getting, taking, etc.

I understand there are people who rake in huge amounts of money simply by travelling in the right circles. I don't think Bernie Sanders is one of those people. When it comes to givers vs. takers, Sanders stacks up pretty well against anyone.

[FuzzyRabbit]

12. Free college tuition is not an outlandish idea.

I remember the early1960s when tuition at state colleges and universities was almost free -- only about $400 per semester. We think of free tuition at public universities as some kind of new progressive idea, but it is actually a step back into the past. We know how to do it. We just need the will.

At the time, going to the moon was an outlandish idea, but we did go there. We had the will to do it.

[litlbilly]

14. Wholly crap do you sound exactly like a republican. Amazing

[PatrickforO]

15. Hmm. Looks like your post is getting flamed.

As it deserves, I might point out, because it is nothing but right wing rhetoric that I'm surprised you're trying out on here.

I pay lots of taxes, hill and once, just ONCE I'd like to see this government, which is supposed to be of, by and for me and the rest of the American people, do something that actually helps me and other Americans instead of boosting profits for Halliburton, General Dynamics, GEO, Corrections Corporation of America or Goldman Sachs.

Oh, wait...isn't your candidate owned and handled by the MIC, GEO and Wall Street? Gosh, the CEO of Goldman Sachs himself said Wall Street would be 'comfortable' with her.

And, hill, WHY should Wall Street be comfortable? After they fucked us all over and ruined so many lives and not a damned one of them went to jail or was held accountable in any meaningful way? Really?

Is that what you want? The status quo? More of the same?

Well, I don't. Sorry, but I'll be caucusing for Bernie. So, keep your free stuff and know that me, my family and most of the people with whom I associate will be supporting Bernie right to the White House.

Because I've had it up to my nostrils with the stench of the status quo.

[m-lekktor]

16. At least you don't call Bernie a libtard!

I guess we should be thankful for that!

[AZ Progressive]

17. So called realists are the antithesis of the spirit that built America

America was built by visionaries and people that believed in things that others did not think was possible.

[slipslidingaway]

18. knr, not that I not agree with what you posted. nt

[hobbit709]

19. You need to crawl back under whatever slimy rock you crawled out from.

Or at least stay in your little protected group if you want to post crap like this.

[Autumn]

20. You have captured and displayed the very essence of the soul of the Hillary campaign

hill2016 (927 posts)

On big dreams: JFK: "Let's go to the moon!". Sanders: "free college free health care!"

JFK: "Ask not what your country can do for you--ask what you can do for your country."

Sanders: "Ask what you can get from your country!"

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

32. More accurately, the lack of soul.

[m-lekktor]

58. yep. I see Hill2016 as the epitome of the typical Hillary supporter.

[cherokeeprogressive]

63. You are absolutely correct. hill2016 PERSONIFIES the typical Hillary supporter.

[LondonReign2]

69. ^^This

And they are following their leader

[whatchamacallit]

21. Swear I'm at Free Republic

[pa28]

22. Mocking the aspirations of working Americans is a losing argument.

Carry on if you want.

[TSIAS]

23. Sounds like the Paul Ryan argument

About the makers and takers. Shame on Americans for wanting a decent education and the ability to raise their family.

I hope this isn't how Clinton plans to energize her supporters.

[bunnies]

26. What an ass.

first time, Im sure.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. Reminds me of Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush, complaining about how

"those people" (meaning minorities, of course) would vote for Democrats in order to get "free stuff."

[Autumn]

28. And now we have democrats complaining about giving Americans "free stuff"

like health care and education Never thought I'd see the day.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

30. Yup. Very sad.

[Cassiopeia]

54. I'm sure we'll hear all about Bernie phones in a few days.

[Nay]

66. A sad day, indeed. It's a testament to the power of the RW propaganda machine

that such a statement could be made by a Democrat. Well, I'm assuming the low-post-count poster is a Democrat, which may not be true.

[Autumn]

73. Even the high count members are complaining about those things.

I actually saw this in a post

A fifteen dollar minimum wage is not going to help the guy who is last fired, and first hired. Not all problems can be solved with better medicine and more money thrown at the white people first.

[Nay]

74. Nice. Jeebus. This country is going straight to the dogs, isn't it? For the

hundredth time I say, "I'm glad I'm old." I pity my poor kids and grandkids. I did what I could, but got overwhelmed by morons.

[AgingAmerican]

29. Standard Republican talking point

[longship]

31. Sounds like a Rovian GOP talking point.

No DURec for you.

[CBGLuthier]

34. You do know the entire moon progtram was a cover to develop our missile tech so we can blow up

the whole fucking world, don't you?

[Warren DeMontague]

37. Not entirely true. By the mid 60s the Titan program was well and far enough along to deliver

the heaviest of our thermonuclear weapons intercontinentally.

There was absolutely NO military value in the Saturn V. None.

However, we did gain a fuckton of scientific knowledge from s the Apollo program, and we still do from every penny we spend on NASA, because exploring and learning about the universe we inhabit is always a good investment. ALWAYS.

[aidbo]

77. love that picture.

we (the Earth) are in that picture too!

[Warren DeMontague]

78. I know.

Aside from the Science, the Cassini project has produced some of the most stunning shots in the history of the human race to date. Simply breathtaking.

[pacalo]

35. Is that how Hillary sees it, too?

I agree more with Elizabeth Warren, who believes that doing nothing -- not trying -- because "it is too hard is like crawling into bed with the billionaires who want to run this country like some private club."

That's from an e-mail I'd gotten on a speech Elizabeth gave on the Senate floor on the sixth anniversary of Citizens' United.

Those who are getting what they can from the government at the most expensive rates are the 1%. And until our leaders can figure out how to solve the economic disparity in order to give ordinary people a fighting chance to earn a sustainable living, I wouldn't berate anyone for needing government assistance.

Does Hillary inspire you to think this way?

[Warren DeMontague]

36. And Hillary wants a "manhattan project" to break the encryption on your iphone.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151220/08101633141/hillary-clinton-wants-manhattan-project-encryption-not-back-door-that-makes-no-sense.shtml

Arhm, Not exactly inspiring "let's send a human to Mars" type shit.

[Out of Time Man]

38. Wow. Where does one even begin when unpacking this…

First, let’s start with the title of your OP. JFK proposed that we should go to the moon, and Sanders proposes that we should have access to free college education and health care.

Maybe it’s just me, but I actually think that granting free college and free health care would be easier than launching a human being into space, landing them on a celestial body, and then have them return to earth, all in one piece.

From my perspective, it seems that Sanders is asking for something a little less arduous than going to space, which makes free college and free health care seem reasonable by comparison.

Second, the meat of your OP, which is essentially designed to denigrate anyone that wants access to a college education and health care as a free loader who just wants to take from society, and contribute nothing in return.

Here’s a thought – maybe the people that want health care and a college education actually want to give back to their communities, to their country, but are too economically depressed to do so.

Maybe my generation would have liked to buy a house after graduating college, like our parents before us.

Maybe my generation would like to be able to able to contribute more to local businesses, but we can’t with any degree of regularity, because our hospital bills are so massive that all we have left over goes straight to Wal-Mart or Target, because that’s all remains in our price range.

Maybe my generation would like to get a college education so we can access the tools necessary to make our country, and our world, a better place to live.

Maybe there are members in my generation that had dreams of being architects or doctors or lawyers or artists or writers or musicians or engineers, but had to settle for something less because they were either unable to qualify for federal aid, or too afraid of plunging themselves into catastrophic levels of debt that follows you regardless of your financial situation.

Not even Hillary Clinton thinks that people that desire a free college education are greedy and want something from the government.

In the first debate, she said that college shouldn’t be free for the rich, but didn’t oppose the idea of it being free or affordable for those in the middle and lower classes.

Your handle says that you support Hillary Clinton, but Hillary Clinton would be ashamed of the right-wing rhetoric you use in her name.

[Bernblu]

44. Bernie is not proposing Free Healthcare

He is proposing making healthcare cheaper and more available for most people by getting the insurance companies (who provide no value and take a 30% cut) off our backs. He also wants healthcare to be a right for all citizens.

[Out of Time Man]

46. I understand that...

I intended my response to the OP to use their language.

And when one hears "Single Payer", and then thinks of the universal health care system in Canada, it's really not too much of a stretch to think of Single Payer as "free", for all intents and purposes.

[DemocraticWing]

39. You're a Republican.

[Bernblu]

40. I guess Hillary is a Republican

We bailed Wall Street out and now it's time to something for the American people

[MisterP]

41. fine, what does Clinton want us to do for our country?

[Fumesucker]

48. Make her the first woman POTUS, that's all she really cares about

[Warren DeMontague]

55. She wants a "Manhattan Project" for clean, scalable fusion power. KIDDING!

She does, however, want a Manhattan Project to make sure the government can read your encrypted snapchats.

[Fumesucker]

56. And oddly enough that is something that would increase her power as inevitable POTUS

She's so damn transparent you could read a pocket Bible through her, the only people Clinton is fooling are those who wish to be fooled.

[Not Sure]

42. A more apropos quote from JFK on Bernie's plan for college tuition:

"A rising tide lifts all boats." Educate our citizenry and the entire country benefits from innovation and increased production. It's a small investment made in our country that benefits us all, unlike subsidies for corporations that funnel profits to offshore tax havens, for example.

Keep things the way they are now, where your state school tuition buys a minor league sports system comprised of unpaid players, and few will continue to be able to afford a higher education.

[jfern]

45. Free Republic is that way ->

[CharlotteVale]

47. Bizarro World.

[Fumesucker]

49. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK

[Fairgo]

50. I can smell the bile

on the back of your words.

[Art_from_Ark]

51. The smell of desperation

is wafting from this OP.

[Cassiopeia]

52. Ask what we can provide our citizens

not what we can provide the 1%.

Nice try.

[jfern]

57. Hillary would have said NO WE CAN'T on going to the moon

[tarheelsunc]

60. Bernie would have promised to go to Alpha Centauri but provided no details on HOW. eom

[DCBob]

59. Ouch.

[Vinca]

61. Did you cut and paste that from a Republican site?

You've really bought into the "taker" meme. Did you get lost on the Internet? This isn't Red State.

[tk2kewl]

62. Pathetic.

So now Hillary supporters are actually on board with the Tea Party's "free stuff" bullshit? And they say Sanders isn't a "real" Democrat.

This OP just makes me sad.

[Odin2005]

64. Your post is disgusting and you should feel ashamed for posting it.

[morningfog]

68. Wow! right wing framing! Just drop the mask, buddy.

[LondonReign2]

70. I didn't know Paul Ryan posts here

Bookmarking this one for posterity

[bigwillq]

71. I stand with Sanders for trying to help those on this planet (nt)

[Orsino]

72. Well, some people are still stuck in Cold War mindsets.

We already proved we could go to the moon, and proved that we had about zero interest in going back.

Why? Do you know a candidate who would prefer we just repeated the same ol' same ol' and hoped for a different outome?

[Warren Stupidity]

76. Goddamn 47%-er welfare queen moochers.

Amirite?