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ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:35 PM Jan 2016

Student describes how she became a Clinton Plant - Why is this Town Hall even taking place?

GRINNELL, Iowa (CNN) -- The college student who was told what question to ask at one of New York Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign events said "voters have the right to know what happened" and she wasn't the only one who was planted.
Student Muriel Gallo-Chasanoff said a staffer told her what to ask at a campaign event for Sen. Hillary Clinton.

In an exclusive on-camera interview with CNN, Muriel Gallo-Chasanoff, a 19-year-old sophomore at Grinnell College in Grinnell, Iowa, said giving anyone specific questions to ask is "dishonest," and the whole incident has given her a negative outlook on politics.

Gallo-Chasanoff, whose story was first reported in the campus newspaper, said what happened was simple: She said a senior Clinton staffer asked if she'd like to ask the senator a question after an energy speech the Democratic presidential hopeful gave in Newton, Iowa, on November 6.

"I sort of thought about it, and I said 'Yeah, can I ask how her energy plan compares to the other candidates' energy plans?'" Gallo-Chasanoff said Monday night.
According to Gallo-Chasanoff, the staffer said, " 'I don't think that's a good idea, because I don't know how familiar she is with their plans.' " Watch the student speak out about question »

He then opened a binder to a page that, according to Gallo-Chasanoff, had about eight questions on it.

"The top one was planned specifically for a college student," she added. "It said 'college student' in brackets and then the question."

Topping that sheet of paper was the following: "As a young person, I'm worried about the long-term effects of global warming. How does your plan combat climate change?" Watch the student ask the planted question »

And while she said she would have rather used her own question, Gallo-Chasanoff said she didn't have a problem asking the campaign's because she "likes to be agreeable," adding that since she told the staffer she'd ask their pre-typed question she "didn't want to go back on my word."

Clinton campaign spokesman Mo Elleithee said, "This is not acceptable campaign process moving forward. We've taken steps to ensure that it never happens again." Elleithee said Clinton had "no idea who she was calling on."

Gallo-Chasanoff wasn't so sure.

"I don't know whether Hillary knew what my question was going to be, but it seemed like she knew to call on me because there were so many people, and ... I was the only college student in that area," she said.

In a separate statement in response to the campus article, the campaign said, "On this occasion a member of our staff did discuss a possible question about Sen. Clinton's energy plan at a forum. ... This is not standard policy and will not be repeated again."
Gallo-Chasanoff said she wasn't the only person given a question.

"After the event," she said, "I heard another man ... talking about the question he asked, and he said that the campaign had asked him to ask that question."

The man she referenced prefaced his question by saying that it probably didn't have anything to do with energy, and then posed the following: "I wonder what you propose to do to create jobs for the middle-class person, such as here in Newton where we lost Maytag."

A Maytag factory in Newton recently closed, forcing hundreds of people out of their jobs.
During the course of the late-night interview on Grinnell's campus, Gallo-Chasanoff also said that the day before the school's newspaper, Scarlet and Black, printed the story, she wanted the reporter to inform the campaign out of courtesy to let them know it would be published.

She said the "head of publicity for the campaign," a man whose name she could not recall, had no factual disputes with the story. But, she added, a Clinton intern spoke to her to say the campaign requested she not talk about the story to any more media outlets and that if she did she should inform a staffer.

"I'm not under any real obligation to do that, and I haven't talked to [the campaign] anymore," Gallo-Chasanoff said, adding that she doesn't plan to.

"If what I do is come and just be totally truthful, then that's all anyone can ask of me, and that's all I can ask of myself. So I'll feel good with what I've done. I'll feel like I've done the right thing."

The Clinton campaign's acknowledgment that it planted a question reinforces a widely held criticism of the senator -- that she is not entirely honest, said Bill Schneider, CNN's senior political analyst.
"It's the same criticism often made of her husband," Schneider said. "Most Americans never felt Bill Clinton was honest and trustworthy, even when he got elected in 1992 -- with only 43 percent of the vote. His critics called him 'Slick Willy.' ... Will her critics start referring to the New York senator as 'Slick Hillary?' "

Asked if this experience makes her less likely to support Clinton's presidential bid, Gallo-Chasanoff, an undecided voter, said, "I think she has a lot to offer, but I -- this experience makes me look at her campaign a little bit differently."

"The question and answer sessions -- especially in Iowa -- are really important. That's where the voters get to ... have like a real genuine conversation with this politician who could be representing them."

While she acknowledged "it's possible that all campaigns do these kind of tactics," she said that doesn't make it right.

"Personally I want to know that I have someone who's honest representing me."

A second person has a story similar to Gallo-Chasanoff's. Geoffrey Mitchell of Hamilton, Illinois, on the Iowa border, said the Clinton campaign wanted him to ask a certain question at an Iowa event in April.

"He asked me if I would ask Sen. Clinton about ways she was going to confront the president on the war in Iraq, specifically war funding," said Geoffrey Mitchell, a supporter of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois. "I told him it was not a question I felt comfortable with."

No questions were taken at the event. Elleithee said this incident was different from what happened with Gallo-Chasanoff in Newton. Elleithee said the staffer "bumped into someone he marginally knew" and during a conversation with Mitchell, "Iraq came up." Elleithee denied the campaign tried to plant him as a friendly questioner in the audience.

Mitchell said he had never met the staffer before the event.

Former presidential adviser David Gergen said the front-runner's campaign could take a hit from the incident.

"When a campaign plants a question, it's a pretty minor infraction of the rules -- like a parking ticket," Gergen said. "The problem here is it feeds a damaging perception of Hillary Clinton that she can't quite be trusted."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/13/clinton.planted/


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Student describes how she became a Clinton Plant - Why is this Town Hall even taking place? (Original Post) ViseGrip Jan 2016 OP
There you have it. A blast from a lying past! ViseGrip Jan 2016 #1
PSS, don't even care if he drew the short straw. None of this should be going on. Fuck DWS! ViseGrip Jan 2016 #2
Sanders agreed to it. He is obviously confident he will do well, you should be as well. Agschmid Jan 2016 #3
That's what I'd say too. Too many paragraphs saying bad things about Hillary! cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #4
"Too many paragraphs saying bad things about Hillary!" left-of-center2012 Jan 2016 #62
Not even close to what I said. Agschmid Jan 2016 #95
It is hard to stuff all Hillary's baggage, dirty politics, and dirty laundry bvar22 Jan 2016 #134
It's a good article, and it's fairly damaging against hilliary. Bubzer Jan 2016 #128
She works for corporations. Madmiddle Jan 2016 #130
Your point is insignificant. He'll do well anywhere. It's the process...not the Gotcha. libdem4life Jan 2016 #36
Guess all you want you have no idea what I'd be saying/thinking. Agschmid Jan 2016 #54
"Supporters" "worried" aren't supporters at all. joshcryer Jan 2016 #50
I guess it's not PC to be worried. Nitram Jan 2016 #126
So this is all you got from the OP? A 4 paragraph copyright rule? Sigh! Duval Jan 2016 #60
No. Agschmid Jan 2016 #93
...but hey it happens." bvar22 Jan 2016 #92
What type of electronics device are you using to post on DU? Agschmid Jan 2016 #94
Ducking and Diving again? bvar22 Jan 2016 #96
No making a point. Agschmid Jan 2016 #97
You have no point. bvar22 Jan 2016 #135
No fumble by me. Agschmid Jan 2016 #136
Of course he would do well. That isn't the point, the point is that the DNC under DWS sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #110
Bernie doesn't seem worried about it... Agschmid Jan 2016 #111
If Bernie said he was worried about it, you'd say he was whining & playing victim. nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #122
No *I* wouldn't. Some would... I wouldn't be one of them. Agschmid Jan 2016 #123
Apparently he has been very concerned about it. As would be expected. Bernie isn't about just HIM sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #137
ha ha. Why bring Sanders inot something that happened in 2007>???? riversedge Jan 2016 #14
I wish Sanders supporters would post more positive threads about their candidate Beaverhausen Jan 2016 #17
Apparently, you don't read my posts. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #18
Ha! SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #21
+1 Duval Jan 2016 #61
That's great. I see only one on the front page of this forum Beaverhausen Jan 2016 #22
Then write your own OP. nt artislife Jan 2016 #80
They don't read them because they don't care. draa Jan 2016 #31
I have posted lots of posts discussing issues only to have HRC supporters ignore them. rhett o rick Jan 2016 #109
History Tends To Repeat Itself.. Hillary Cannot Help Herself! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #102
Can't be trusted? Duckfan Jan 2016 #113
It is kind of odd Clinton goes last, the prime spot, and gets center stage at all the debates... EndElectoral Jan 2016 #25
That's because she is ahead in all the national polls...n/t asuhornets Jan 2016 #67
It's because DWS and the DNC are trying to tilt the scales for Hillary peacebird Jan 2016 #69
So you're going BACK almost a DECADE AGO?!? *sigh* 66 dmhlt Jan 2016 #120
"...she can't quite be trusted." tazkcmo Jan 2016 #5
Correct. and history matters, in this case - herstory matters Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #20
The last thing they'll ever call her is "Slick Hillary" tularetom Jan 2016 #6
More like Huckster Hillary. cui bono Jan 2016 #10
Or Bad Bad JuJu Jan 2016 #116
I disagree with Gergen perpetrating a fraud on the American People to warp their perceptions Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #7
+1,000,000!!! cui bono Jan 2016 #75
Yup. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #117
2007? Beaverhausen Jan 2016 #8
Otherwise known as the last time Hillary ran a Presidential primary campaign. stillwaiting Jan 2016 #76
Why Hillary? Why? It's shit like this that could cost us the election if she is the nominee. jillan Jan 2016 #9
From 2007? Pretty sure that town hall isn't taking place anytime soon. JTFrog Jan 2016 #11
If it happened before how do we know it hasn't happened again in this run? KoKo Jan 2016 #16
More made up vile conspiracy theories from the Sanders camp. Nothing new. But shameful. riversedge Jan 2016 #24
Good lawd...vile conspiracy theories. That she doesn't take questions from a crowd? libdem4life Jan 2016 #37
Exactly. And above you, the only shameful thing was Hillary's cheating in the last race Town Hall! ViseGrip Jan 2016 #71
Made up? Conspiracy? cui bono Jan 2016 #77
Clinton campaign spokesman Mo Elleithee said, "This is not acceptable campaign process moving in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #12
By "process" she means that whole bit about getting caught Android3.14 Jan 2016 #41
:) in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #78
Jury results (2-5). I was juror #4. Electric Monk Jan 2016 #13
Cute how they so often alert on OPs criticizing Hillary. senz Jan 2016 #19
Can't detail Hillary's past history either, John Poet Jan 2016 #28
It's as if they wanted to "slip her in" under cover senz Jan 2016 #35
THANK you. John Poet Jan 2016 #40
Whow-you are bragging that you use the jury system to further your own candidates advancement. Whow riversedge Jan 2016 #32
The alerter's attempt to abuse the jury system to censor information about THEIR candidate backfired Electric Monk Jan 2016 #39
You are one bragging that you abuse the DU jury system. And you distracted by riversedge Jan 2016 #48
I think you are viewing it through your hyper-partisan lens and are not objective in the least. nt Electric Monk Jan 2016 #52
I didn't see the abuse. Gore1FL Jan 2016 #53
Wrong. The alert was to advance Hillary by silencing her critics. senz Jan 2016 #42
I guess the obvious question is did it really really happen? Lots of innuendo from NINE years ago! George II Jan 2016 #15
How can history not matter to those who try to change it? ViseGrip Jan 2016 #23
Not surprised by pre-screened questions at her own event,but at a group TownHall would be a shocker. EndElectoral Jan 2016 #26
Clinton: detached from reality, can't even face a 19 year old student. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #27
The tactic boils down to this: if you can plant enough questions John Poet Jan 2016 #29
pffft,no shit? I never did trust this last minute wendylaroux Jan 2016 #30
Yup, this is going to be quite the test. Karma13612 Jan 2016 #98
And you think this is a new thing, why? Hekate Jan 2016 #33
K+R!!! draa Jan 2016 #34
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #38
Just a thought about slick Hillary. I like slippery Hillary myself. eom Cleita Jan 2016 #43
this is disappointing... and it's also from 2007 renate Jan 2016 #44
Thom is great, but it will be with much heart ache that I cast my vote for her, if that's what I Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #59
Thank you. Attacks like this won't help us as a party pnwmom Jan 2016 #87
I was unable to pull up a date on this article. Why doesn't it show up on the site? Peregrine Took Jan 2016 #101
It's not good, but why did you have to use a 2007 story? book_worm Jan 2016 #45
Because these ARE her tactics. History must count, if you want to change it. ViseGrip Jan 2016 #47
Ambush attempt! Helen Borg Jan 2016 #46
Keep kicking! ViseGrip Jan 2016 #49
Certainly explains how any discussion re: marijuana legalization "magically" gets derailed by Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #51
Intersesting and true. Marijuana should have made it into the discussion and it did not. ViseGrip Jan 2016 #55
She sure has no idea of what's going on a lot 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #56
ARGH! Well, can't deny this says a lot about her campaign methods. Duval Jan 2016 #57
Here's hoping it turns around and bites them. n /t Skwmom Jan 2016 #58
This Is Just Wrong and Immoral..... global1 Jan 2016 #63
Agree, it's immoral. Kick this to the 100 club! ViseGrip Jan 2016 #64
three dollar hill reddread Jan 2016 #65
The night of the Town Hall, I will donate to Bernie Sanders, again! ViseGrip Jan 2016 #66
LOL mhatrw Jan 2016 #68
Exactly why she "does so well at these types of events". So let's put one together cuz she's losing. ViseGrip Jan 2016 #70
Bernie has integrity and good judgment. Hillary, not so much! TryLogic Jan 2016 #72
Oh well. It's a blocked from public debate once again anyway. Only repubicans open up to all viewers ViseGrip Jan 2016 #73
one thing that will help is social media restorefreedom Jan 2016 #74
And to further put this "plant" situation into context CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #79
This story is from 2007. To put it into further context. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #81
Again, don't ignore history and act like you want to change it. History of her untrustworthiness! ViseGrip Jan 2016 #84
In 2007 Bernie was voting against gun control. Again. Don't ignore history pnwmom Jan 2016 #85
I think we're all aware of that (nt) CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #100
While I believe this still may happen Lage Nom Ai Jan 2016 #82
This is from 2007. What was Bernie doing in 2007? Voting against gun control, as usual. pnwmom Jan 2016 #83
Oh, he was doing more that an that. Bernie has cali Jan 2016 #86
Why would you ignore history, and act like you want to change it? History of CHEATING HERE.... ViseGrip Jan 2016 #89
Why would you ignore Bernie's history of gun control votes pnwmom Jan 2016 #91
Just watching my local news xloadiex Jan 2016 #88
icky icky ElliotCarver Jan 2016 #90
In 90 minutes, some Hillary supporters will ask her and Bernie some questions designed to help her jfern Jan 2016 #99
Well do you see now? Cumo talked to Bernie most of the time, O'Malley gets to go on and on.... ViseGrip Jan 2016 #103
Madam Pantsuit likes it scripted and controlled. One reason she has an email problem. jalan48 Jan 2016 #104
The kids see it too. The question/statement we think you're dishonest. She yelled at him. ViseGrip Jan 2016 #105
I remember this story from the 2008 campaign well. The local media in Iowa turned it into Watergate. StevieM Jan 2016 #106
This time it will be her continued dishonesty, like saying she was under enemy fire, on and on. ViseGrip Jan 2016 #107
I'm sorry you think so little of somebody who I admire so much. StevieM Jan 2016 #108
knr nt retrowire Jan 2016 #112
I would have said: Mdm Secretary, your staff wanted me to ask you ...... and then see what happens. YOHABLO Jan 2016 #114
problem... TammyMintonHaley Jan 2016 #125
I was a Future Farmer of America in High School and appeared on Agriculture USA, a TV program AnotherDreamWeaver Jan 2016 #115
Nixon Too 1norcal Jan 2016 #118
Only in Camp Sanders Tarc Jan 2016 #119
This message was self-deleted by its author gordyfl Jan 2016 #121
wtf?!? TammyMintonHaley Jan 2016 #124
Planting seems accepted tactic now HassleCat Jan 2016 #127
Suddenly Clinton ain't quite so smart as we are lead to believe. Madmiddle Jan 2016 #129
K&R emsimon33 Jan 2016 #131
No Matter How You Want To Support This Or Whether This ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #132
^^^this^^^ ViseGrip Jan 2016 #133
 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
1. There you have it. A blast from a lying past!
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:37 PM
Jan 2016

So, we are to trust the DNC and this so called Town Hall? Of course Sanders goes first....even though alphabetically he is last.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
3. Sanders agreed to it. He is obviously confident he will do well, you should be as well.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:41 PM
Jan 2016

Now what shouldn't be going on is the violation of the 4 paragraph copyright rule... But hey it happens.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
62. "Too many paragraphs saying bad things about Hillary!"
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:13 PM
Jan 2016

We need to limit criticism of Hillary so she'll do better in the polls.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
134. It is hard to stuff all Hillary's baggage, dirty politics, and dirty laundry
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:40 PM
Jan 2016

...in to just 4 paragraphs.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
128. It's a good article, and it's fairly damaging against hilliary.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:26 PM
Jan 2016

Agschmid's comment about the 4 paragraph rule is less about diminishing the article, and more about protecting DU.

Agschmid's right about that one.

Here's the relevant passage from the TOS:


Don't willfully and habitually infringe on others' copyrights.

To simplify compliance and enforcement of copyrights here on Democratic Underground, we ask that excerpts from other sources posted on Democratic Underground be limited to a maximum of four paragraphs, and we ask that the source of the content be clearly identified. Those who make a good-faith effort to respect the rights of copyright holders are unlikely to have any problems. But individuals who willfully and habitually infringe on others' copyrights risk being in violation of our Terms of Service.



 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
36. Your point is insignificant. He'll do well anywhere. It's the process...not the Gotcha.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:33 PM
Jan 2016

Yeah, hey, violations happen. Oh well. She lied. Oh well. Shrillary comes to mind with Slick Willy. Or, Hillarious and Slick Willy.

What if he disagreed with it? What would you be opining then? Never mind, I can guess.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
54. Guess all you want you have no idea what I'd be saying/thinking.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:55 PM
Jan 2016

I like Sanders, I've actually voted for him and campaigned for him, and I don't knock him in any way. Sanders is just not the person I support in the Primary, my vote, my choice.

Let's skip the insults and accusations please.

joshcryer

(62,287 posts)
50. "Supporters" "worried" aren't supporters at all.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jan 2016

They are more concerned about lowering expectations and setting up for failure.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
92. ...but hey it happens."
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:57 PM
Jan 2016

WARS that kill and displace MILLIONS,
black people gunned down on the streets without cause,
polluters are destroying our World,
Banksters get away with stolen Billions,
Billionaires are buying our government,

..."but hey it happens".

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
135. You have no point.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:43 PM
Jan 2016

The "electronic devices" are MY business....not yours.

Now, what "point" were you fumbling?

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
136. No fumble by me.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:51 PM
Jan 2016

And I'm not going to engage in this back and forth, I don't resort to personal attacks and that's always what these types of "discussions" turn into.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
110. Of course he would do well. That isn't the point, the point is that the DNC under DWS
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:32 AM
Jan 2016

has manipulated these primaries in order to facilitate one candidate. THAT is wrong, regardless of how great Bernie Sanders does, which he did btw. It isn't just about him. It's about ethics in our political system which under DWS and the Third Way, are now a major problem within our party.

It's the very fact that people overlook the real issue and knee jerk react when someone points it out, that we have this rigged, corrupt system, the very issue that made Bernie Sanders's campaign necessary.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
111. Bernie doesn't seem worried about it...
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:47 AM
Jan 2016

I think we could all learn from him.

It's funny when someone who doesn't support your candidate has more confidence in him than his own supporters.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
137. Apparently he has been very concerned about it. As would be expected. Bernie isn't about just HIM
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:13 AM
Jan 2016

he's about the corruption that permeates our system and today he released a statement showing, that like all Americans who noticed the manipulation of the system in favor of one candidate, perpetrated by DWS and the DNC he too noticed it.

So it seems your snide comment is baseless.

Beaverhausen

(24,476 posts)
17. I wish Sanders supporters would post more positive threads about their candidate
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:02 PM
Jan 2016

All they do is post negative HRC posts all the live long day. And now they have to go back 9 years for more.

They do Sanders no good.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
18. Apparently, you don't read my posts.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:07 PM
Jan 2016

In the past few days, I've posted about Sanders' over-filled town halls and rallies, the wonderful turnout at the #MarchForBernie and his rising poll numbers.

Beaverhausen

(24,476 posts)
22. That's great. I see only one on the front page of this forum
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:14 PM
Jan 2016

The rest I see are about 80% negative posts about Hillary by Bernie supporters.

Just what I see. I'd love to see more positive posts.

draa

(975 posts)
31. They don't read them because they don't care.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:26 PM
Jan 2016

The Berners are constantly posting videos and parodies and memes concerning Bernie. From photos of crowds(ha) to his positions on policies and why they would work. Our side does a bunch of stuff that I rarely see from the other.

Maybe I'm missing something, again, but I don't see the enthusiasm from her side that often.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
109. I have posted lots of posts discussing issues only to have HRC supporters ignore them.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:12 AM
Jan 2016

By the way, I don't think HRC supporters ever, ever post substantive posts about where they stand on issues. How about you, do you support her stand on college loans? the TPP? Fracking? Prisons for Profits? Deregulation of Wall Street?

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
102. History Tends To Repeat Itself.. Hillary Cannot Help Herself!
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 09:07 PM
Jan 2016

She already "set up" one situation earlier when her team of schemers tutored the little girl to ask Hillary about bullies. The most pathetic stuff is yet to come ... TONIGHT! K and R!

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
25. It is kind of odd Clinton goes last, the prime spot, and gets center stage at all the debates...
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:17 PM
Jan 2016

Might have been fairest to let O'Malley go last.

tazkcmo

(7,306 posts)
5. "...she can't quite be trusted."
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:44 PM
Jan 2016

Funny. That's like saying a dead person is not quite alive. She can't be trusted unless you're just willing to ignore her history of lies, deflections and avoidance.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
20. Correct. and history matters, in this case - herstory matters
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:10 PM
Jan 2016

She is an oligarch, a neocon corporatist. only the 1% can trust her

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
6. The last thing they'll ever call her is "Slick Hillary"
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:44 PM
Jan 2016

She's a liar but not a convincing one, and she lacks the sort of good ol boy charm that slick willy had. People knew he was bullshitting but somehow they didn't care. With her, people think she's lying, even when she isn't. She's more like Richard M Nixon.

Uncle Joe

(58,558 posts)
7. I disagree with Gergen perpetrating a fraud on the American People to warp their perceptions
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:46 PM
Jan 2016

is not equivalent to a "parking ticket" unless you have no moral foundation or respect for democracy.

Thanks for the thread, ViseGrip.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
76. Otherwise known as the last time Hillary ran a Presidential primary campaign.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:47 PM
Jan 2016

We have a Democratic Town Hall with a Hillary partisan (with "HRC2016" on her Iowa license plates) organizing this Town Hall so I am SURE that nothing like that would ever happen again...

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
16. If it happened before how do we know it hasn't happened again in this run?
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:01 PM
Jan 2016

I haven't seen her taking questions from the audience at rallies. But, then she may do it in the smaller groups she meets with.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
37. Good lawd...vile conspiracy theories. That she doesn't take questions from a crowd?
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:36 PM
Jan 2016

She didn't even show up in Iowa for a Conversation that had only 6 people...IIRC.

I love this place.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
71. Exactly. And above you, the only shameful thing was Hillary's cheating in the last race Town Hall!
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:28 PM
Jan 2016

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
77. Made up? Conspiracy?
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:47 PM
Jan 2016

Amazing that you stick up for this kind of behavior. Is this what attracts you to her as a candidate?

.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
12. Clinton campaign spokesman Mo Elleithee said, "This is not acceptable campaign process moving
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:54 PM
Jan 2016

forward. We've taken steps to ensure that it never happens again." Elleithee said Clinton had "no idea who she was calling on."

Riiiiiiiiight! We believe you.

This is pathetic, but predictable and expected. Planted questions - just like Bush.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
78. :)
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:49 PM
Jan 2016

I'm sure! Now everyone knows just how managed HRH is. SHE can't even answer off-the-cuff questions. Reminds me so much if Bush!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
13. Jury results (2-5). I was juror #4.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:55 PM
Jan 2016
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Student describes how she became a Clinton Plant - Why is this Town Hall even taking place?
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Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'd like to thank the alerter for pointing this out so I could give it a Rec. Hopefully this goes 0-7.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think readers can decide if this article is still relevant and have a discussion about without it becoming any more disruptive or inflammatory than most of what's posted on GD: Primaries
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This post may be an old story but it has EVERYTHING to do with HRC's lack of character.
 

senz

(11,945 posts)
19. Cute how they so often alert on OPs criticizing Hillary.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:07 PM
Jan 2016

As if it's against the TOS to report negatively on HRH.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
28. Can't detail Hillary's past history either,
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:21 PM
Jan 2016

according to the alerter, who seems to wish that we were all born yesterday...

Unfortunately, Hillary has more than forty years worth of involvement in the public domain that can be freely discussed at any time.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
35. It's as if they wanted to "slip her in" under cover
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jan 2016

like they know they've got something unsavory. It's kinda weird.

btw, your sig line is a thing of beauty.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
40. THANK you.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jan 2016

I FINALLY got sick enough of looking at Jeb Bush's stupid mug all the time,
to do something about it. LOL

MUCH better, much better

riversedge

(70,456 posts)
32. Whow-you are bragging that you use the jury system to further your own candidates advancement. Whow
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:26 PM
Jan 2016

Do you think that is the right thing to do??



FRom your post above.

Electric Monk (13,156 posts)
13. Jury results (2-5). I was juror #4.

On Mon Jan 25, 2016, 03:49 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Student describes how she became a Clinton Plant - Why is this Town Hall even taking place?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511064059

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

2007 article posted (copyright violation alert already sent) just to taunt and bait. It has nothing to do with the current primaries.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Jan 25, 2016, 03:54 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'd like to thank the alerter for pointing this out so I could give it a Rec. Hopefully this goes 0-7.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
39. The alerter's attempt to abuse the jury system to censor information about THEIR candidate backfired
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jan 2016

Were you the alerter?

riversedge

(70,456 posts)
48. You are one bragging that you abuse the DU jury system. And you distracted by
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:44 PM
Jan 2016

question to you. Do you think it is right to use the jury system -since you were one of the jurors --to advance your own candidate?


And no-to answer your question--I did not alert on the results that you posted above.

Gore1FL

(21,169 posts)
53. I didn't see the abuse.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:52 PM
Jan 2016

I saw a 5-2 decision based on an issue so not hide-worthy, that electric monk found value in a post he otherwise would have missed.

How is that abuse of the jury system? It sounds more like a weak-sauce attack on your part against Electric Monk after a weak-sauce alert was tossed to the curb both rightfully and overwhelmingly.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
42. Wrong. The alert was to advance Hillary by silencing her critics.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:38 PM
Jan 2016

Now that is using the jury system.

And then, of course, there is alert stalking planned off site...

Oh my.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
27. Clinton: detached from reality, can't even face a 19 year old student.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:20 PM
Jan 2016

And this is the woman who deems herself worthy of the presidency.

"Prime-Minister Turnbull, I don't think President Clinton wants to discuss international co-operation on gun control. She may not be familiar with all the specifics of the Australian Model. Why don't you just discuss the TPP version 4.12 with her?"

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
29. The tactic boils down to this: if you can plant enough questions
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:24 PM
Jan 2016

that you want to answer, it uses up the time that might otherwise be spent by being asked questions that you would rather NOT answer.


wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
30. pffft,no shit? I never did trust this last minute
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:24 PM
Jan 2016

question session thing.They are trying to set Bernie up.

But,Bernie knows it too.He has been

around this bullshit how long now?

GO GET EM BERNIE!!!!!!

Karma13612

(4,555 posts)
98. Yup, this is going to be quite the test.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 08:33 PM
Jan 2016

Talk about the deck being stacked against American voters.

Bring it on....

renate

(13,776 posts)
44. this is disappointing... and it's also from 2007
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:39 PM
Jan 2016

Which isn't to say this kind of thing isn't happening now. But an 8-year-old article certainly isn't proof that it is happening now.

I am 100% behind Bernie, but I hate to see attacks on Hillary coming from our side. As Thom Hartmann said the other night (I think on Chris Hayes' show), I support Bernie, but I would vote for either one in a heartbeat. The alternative (and I don't mean Martin O'Malley) is unthinkable.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
59. Thom is great, but it will be with much heart ache that I cast my vote for her, if that's what I
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:10 PM
Jan 2016

decide to do.

pnwmom

(109,025 posts)
87. Thank you. Attacks like this won't help us as a party
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:13 PM
Jan 2016

to go forward together and support WHOEVER is the nominee in the end.

Peregrine Took

(7,420 posts)
101. I was unable to pull up a date on this article. Why doesn't it show up on the site?
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 09:04 PM
Jan 2016

Very unethical of the OP if they deliberately hid it to make it appear current.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
51. Certainly explains how any discussion re: marijuana legalization "magically" gets derailed by
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jan 2016

Conveniently placed concern about "our pressing heroin crisis"

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
55. Intersesting and true. Marijuana should have made it into the discussion and it did not.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:56 PM
Jan 2016

Good point! KICK

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
56. She sure has no idea of what's going on a lot
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:59 PM
Jan 2016

"Clinton had no idea who she was calling on". Right. Between all oif the this gfs that happens that she has no knowledge of, and all of her " I don't recall" s I think we should question her mental ability to serve in any position at all.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
57. ARGH! Well, can't deny this says a lot about her campaign methods.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:08 PM
Jan 2016

But, I'm still amazed. Why on earth, if she is so smart, did she resort to tactics like this? Did she think, really, that students are stupid?
I don't know how well this is known, but I do know students love social media.

global1

(25,298 posts)
63. This Is Just Wrong and Immoral.....
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:14 PM
Jan 2016

Any candidate that condones or accepts this behavior by their campaign shouldn't be considered for office.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
64. Agree, it's immoral. Kick this to the 100 club!
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:15 PM
Jan 2016

And she wonders why her numbers on trust are so low. Gads.....

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
70. Exactly why she "does so well at these types of events". So let's put one together cuz she's losing.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:26 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary the crybaby.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
73. Oh well. It's a blocked from public debate once again anyway. Only repubicans open up to all viewers
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:35 PM
Jan 2016

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
74. one thing that will help is social media
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:40 PM
Jan 2016

every misstep, if there are any, any shady looking questions, if there are any, will be instantly all over sm and there will be no place to hide.

i hope everyone is on good behavior and sticks to issues. from what i hear about iowa voters, they have a low tolerance for contrived bullshit.

lets touch gloves, have a clean fight, and iowans, stay warm!

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
79. And to further put this "plant" situation into context
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:55 PM
Jan 2016

The town-hall that Hillary organized (the one that featured the planted questions) was a crisis-communication response from her campaign. She was losing ground to Obama, and many Iowans were very vocal about her impersonal and cold campaign tactics.

Clinton left her speeches, right after giving them. She never took questions. She stood at a podium giving her canned speeches. There was no connection with us. Which is weird, because every politician who comes through here, knows that you have to engage with Iowa voters. Republicans know it and do it, so do Democrats.

Hillary seemed like she couldn't be bothered.

So this town hall was her "I'm so sorry, I didn't realize!" event. She promised to be open and take questions from Iowans.

Then, we find out the questions were planted. Yeah...didn't look very good.

I have no clue what these weasels will do this time. She's behind the eight ball, her campaign is taking on water and Bernie is surging. This entire CNN thing was organized on her behalf. Maybe the dirty trick is that it was organized in the first place. Then again, maybe the entire thing is rigged (bombs lobbed at Bernie, softballs at Hillary and Hillary knows the questions before the event).

Isn't it so shitty that we are even having these discussions? The woman and her campaign are not trustworthy. I was so happy when she left our state in 08. It's been a very long campaign season. Does she even realize that she drains the fun out of the caucus process. Even the Republicans don't act like devious idiots they way she does. Happy to caucus for Bernie. Happy to have the caucuses here--and I'll be so damn glad when she exits our state. Sorry, NH, you get her next. I hope your voting machines are secure.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
84. Again, don't ignore history and act like you want to change it. History of her untrustworthiness!
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:08 PM
Jan 2016

pnwmom

(109,025 posts)
85. In 2007 Bernie was voting against gun control. Again. Don't ignore history
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:12 PM
Jan 2016

and act like you want to change it.

 

Lage Nom Ai

(74 posts)
82. While I believe this still may happen
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:05 PM
Jan 2016

This is from 2007. May have been a good idea to post that as a disclaimer. I am a Bernie supporter but I want to win without any questions from the Hillary camp.

pnwmom

(109,025 posts)
83. This is from 2007. What was Bernie doing in 2007? Voting against gun control, as usual.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:06 PM
Jan 2016
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/bernie-sanders-awkward-history-with-guns-in-america-119185

Sanders’ vote against the Brady Bill was one of several that appealed to the gun-rights community, including a 2007 vote that prohibited foreign or United Nations aid to be used for gun control and a 2009 vote to allow firearms on checked bags on Amtrak.


 

cali

(114,904 posts)
86. Oh, he was doing more that an that. Bernie has
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:12 PM
Jan 2016

been a workhorse in Congress. And he wasn't busy lying and smearing and using Lee Atwater style dog whistles. That's what your precious Hillary was doing.

I have no respect for serial liars and unethical people. That is what Hillary is. Yes, she's smart and informed and accomplished, but that does not cancel out her dishonesty, conflicts of interest, political and personal opportunism, etc.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
89. Why would you ignore history, and act like you want to change it? History of CHEATING HERE....
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:36 PM
Jan 2016

in these types of debates. How can you trust her now? Please explain....cuz we want to know.

xloadiex

(628 posts)
88. Just watching my local news
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:33 PM
Jan 2016

They showed Bernie listening and responding to the woman in Iowa about her hardship. They reported in Hillary's speech she used the, "It's time to put a woman in the White House." I find that insulting.

 

ElliotCarver

(74 posts)
90. icky icky
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:45 PM
Jan 2016

very tough to root for somebody so superficially calculating. controlled appearances. carefully managed spontaneity. everything just drips of how badly she wants all the power in the world to be hers. like when she laughed at Chuck Todd's weak/low-energy dig...just laughed straight through the question to obfuscate its import for anybody paying half an ear to the tv. str8^ emperor palpatine level terrifying when she laughs, no?

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
103. Well do you see now? Cumo talked to Bernie most of the time, O'Malley gets to go on and on....
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:20 PM
Jan 2016

Cumo went on and on, and did more talking than Bernie. They just don't want people to hear Bernie. I don't have cable, a neighbor called me to report on how the Town Hall was going...

just as I suspected.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
105. The kids see it too. The question/statement we think you're dishonest. She yelled at him.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:40 PM
Jan 2016

Not sure what she was trying to do there....

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
106. I remember this story from the 2008 campaign well. The local media in Iowa turned it into Watergate.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:13 AM
Jan 2016

This "infraction" was actually incredibly low on the totem poll. But the media pilloried Clinton over it. Had it happened with Obama or Edwards--which I'm sure it did--we never would have even heard about it.

This "wrongdoing" was IMO a major reason for her poor finish in Iowa. I said that to many people at the time.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
107. This time it will be her continued dishonesty, like saying she was under enemy fire, on and on.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:37 AM
Jan 2016

Her lack of character also really plays bad this time, after sending her daughter out to lie. Now she wants to send more soldiers to die. She spoke of more war tonight, and that is going to hurt her.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
108. I'm sorry you think so little of somebody who I admire so much.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:44 AM
Jan 2016

If Hillary is the nominee I hope you will support her in the GE, just as I will support Sanders or O'Malley if one of them were to be the nominee.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
114. I would have said: Mdm Secretary, your staff wanted me to ask you ...... and then see what happens.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:38 AM
Jan 2016

AnotherDreamWeaver

(2,854 posts)
115. I was a Future Farmer of America in High School and appeared on Agriculture USA, a TV program
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:44 AM
Jan 2016

There was an Ag. Industry guy we could ask questions of on the show, but we were given a list of questions we had to pick from. Taught me a lot about politics.

1norcal

(55 posts)
118. Nixon Too
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 09:28 AM
Jan 2016

Rodger Ailes taught Nixon this very technique back in the day of Nixon's comeback and that may have been the beginning of Media Deception...

Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
127. Planting seems accepted tactic now
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jan 2016

"They all do it." That's fine, but it still seems deceptive to do it in a forum where the "average person" is supposed to ask what's on their mind, nt what is on the mind of somebody's campaign staffer.

 

Madmiddle

(459 posts)
129. Suddenly Clinton ain't quite so smart as we are lead to believe.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:34 PM
Jan 2016

These people ain't any smarter than the average Joe. Clinton is the least exceptional of all the candidates, she just don't give a shit!!!

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
132. No Matter How You Want To Support This Or Whether This
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:53 PM
Jan 2016

situation really disgusts you, I have to ask myself a question. Of course, because I'm a political junky and know a lot of what goes on during an election and I know how I feel.

Without mentioning any names, say you stand on a corner and ask passerby's what they think about being approached to ask something and then being told they would prefer another question to be asked. How do you think the man/woman on the street would answer the question regarding whether he/she thought it was fair.

I think I know what most people would say.

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