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Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:35 PM

 

Student describes how she became a Clinton Plant - Why is this Town Hall even taking place?

GRINNELL, Iowa (CNN) -- The college student who was told what question to ask at one of New York Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign events said "voters have the right to know what happened" and she wasn't the only one who was planted.
Student Muriel Gallo-Chasanoff said a staffer told her what to ask at a campaign event for Sen. Hillary Clinton.

In an exclusive on-camera interview with CNN, Muriel Gallo-Chasanoff, a 19-year-old sophomore at Grinnell College in Grinnell, Iowa, said giving anyone specific questions to ask is "dishonest," and the whole incident has given her a negative outlook on politics.

Gallo-Chasanoff, whose story was first reported in the campus newspaper, said what happened was simple: She said a senior Clinton staffer asked if she'd like to ask the senator a question after an energy speech the Democratic presidential hopeful gave in Newton, Iowa, on November 6.

"I sort of thought about it, and I said 'Yeah, can I ask how her energy plan compares to the other candidates' energy plans?'" Gallo-Chasanoff said Monday night.
According to Gallo-Chasanoff, the staffer said, " 'I don't think that's a good idea, because I don't know how familiar she is with their plans.' " Watch the student speak out about question »

He then opened a binder to a page that, according to Gallo-Chasanoff, had about eight questions on it.

"The top one was planned specifically for a college student," she added. "It said 'college student' in brackets and then the question."

Topping that sheet of paper was the following: "As a young person, I'm worried about the long-term effects of global warming. How does your plan combat climate change?" Watch the student ask the planted question »

And while she said she would have rather used her own question, Gallo-Chasanoff said she didn't have a problem asking the campaign's because she "likes to be agreeable," adding that since she told the staffer she'd ask their pre-typed question she "didn't want to go back on my word."

Clinton campaign spokesman Mo Elleithee said, "This is not acceptable campaign process moving forward. We've taken steps to ensure that it never happens again." Elleithee said Clinton had "no idea who she was calling on."

Gallo-Chasanoff wasn't so sure.

"I don't know whether Hillary knew what my question was going to be, but it seemed like she knew to call on me because there were so many people, and ... I was the only college student in that area," she said.

In a separate statement in response to the campus article, the campaign said, "On this occasion a member of our staff did discuss a possible question about Sen. Clinton's energy plan at a forum. ... This is not standard policy and will not be repeated again."
Gallo-Chasanoff said she wasn't the only person given a question.

"After the event," she said, "I heard another man ... talking about the question he asked, and he said that the campaign had asked him to ask that question."

The man she referenced prefaced his question by saying that it probably didn't have anything to do with energy, and then posed the following: "I wonder what you propose to do to create jobs for the middle-class person, such as here in Newton where we lost Maytag."

A Maytag factory in Newton recently closed, forcing hundreds of people out of their jobs.
During the course of the late-night interview on Grinnell's campus, Gallo-Chasanoff also said that the day before the school's newspaper, Scarlet and Black, printed the story, she wanted the reporter to inform the campaign out of courtesy to let them know it would be published.

She said the "head of publicity for the campaign," a man whose name she could not recall, had no factual disputes with the story. But, she added, a Clinton intern spoke to her to say the campaign requested she not talk about the story to any more media outlets and that if she did she should inform a staffer.

"I'm not under any real obligation to do that, and I haven't talked to [the campaign] anymore," Gallo-Chasanoff said, adding that she doesn't plan to.

"If what I do is come and just be totally truthful, then that's all anyone can ask of me, and that's all I can ask of myself. So I'll feel good with what I've done. I'll feel like I've done the right thing."

The Clinton campaign's acknowledgment that it planted a question reinforces a widely held criticism of the senator -- that she is not entirely honest, said Bill Schneider, CNN's senior political analyst.
"It's the same criticism often made of her husband," Schneider said. "Most Americans never felt Bill Clinton was honest and trustworthy, even when he got elected in 1992 -- with only 43 percent of the vote. His critics called him 'Slick Willy.' ... Will her critics start referring to the New York senator as 'Slick Hillary?' "

Asked if this experience makes her less likely to support Clinton's presidential bid, Gallo-Chasanoff, an undecided voter, said, "I think she has a lot to offer, but I -- this experience makes me look at her campaign a little bit differently."

"The question and answer sessions -- especially in Iowa -- are really important. That's where the voters get to ... have like a real genuine conversation with this politician who could be representing them."

While she acknowledged "it's possible that all campaigns do these kind of tactics," she said that doesn't make it right.

"Personally I want to know that I have someone who's honest representing me."

A second person has a story similar to Gallo-Chasanoff's. Geoffrey Mitchell of Hamilton, Illinois, on the Iowa border, said the Clinton campaign wanted him to ask a certain question at an Iowa event in April.

"He asked me if I would ask Sen. Clinton about ways she was going to confront the president on the war in Iraq, specifically war funding," said Geoffrey Mitchell, a supporter of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois. "I told him it was not a question I felt comfortable with."

No questions were taken at the event. Elleithee said this incident was different from what happened with Gallo-Chasanoff in Newton. Elleithee said the staffer "bumped into someone he marginally knew" and during a conversation with Mitchell, "Iraq came up." Elleithee denied the campaign tried to plant him as a friendly questioner in the audience.

Mitchell said he had never met the staffer before the event.

Former presidential adviser David Gergen said the front-runner's campaign could take a hit from the incident.

"When a campaign plants a question, it's a pretty minor infraction of the rules -- like a parking ticket," Gergen said. "The problem here is it feeds a damaging perception of Hillary Clinton that she can't quite be trusted."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/13/clinton.planted/


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Reply Student describes how she became a Clinton Plant - Why is this Town Hall even taking place? (Original post)
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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:37 PM

1. There you have it. A blast from a lying past!

 

So, we are to trust the DNC and this so called Town Hall? Of course Sanders goes first....even though alphabetically he is last.

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:37 PM

2. PSS, don't even care if he drew the short straw. None of this should be going on. Fuck DWS!

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:41 PM

3. Sanders agreed to it. He is obviously confident he will do well, you should be as well.

Now what shouldn't be going on is the violation of the 4 paragraph copyright rule... But hey it happens.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:43 PM

4. That's what I'd say too. Too many paragraphs saying bad things about Hillary!

 

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:13 PM

62. "Too many paragraphs saying bad things about Hillary!"

We need to limit criticism of Hillary so she'll do better in the polls.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #62)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 08:00 PM

95. Not even close to what I said.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #95)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:40 PM

134. It is hard to stuff all Hillary's baggage, dirty politics, and dirty laundry

...in to just 4 paragraphs.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #62)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:26 PM

128. It's a good article, and it's fairly damaging against hilliary.

Agschmid's comment about the 4 paragraph rule is less about diminishing the article, and more about protecting DU.

Agschmid's right about that one.

Here's the relevant passage from the TOS:


Don't willfully and habitually infringe on others' copyrights.

To simplify compliance and enforcement of copyrights here on Democratic Underground, we ask that excerpts from other sources posted on Democratic Underground be limited to a maximum of four paragraphs, and we ask that the source of the content be clearly identified. Those who make a good-faith effort to respect the rights of copyright holders are unlikely to have any problems. But individuals who willfully and habitually infringe on others' copyrights risk being in violation of our Terms of Service.



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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #62)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:37 PM

130. She works for corporations.

 

Vote for Bernie.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:33 PM

36. Your point is insignificant. He'll do well anywhere. It's the process...not the Gotcha.

 

Yeah, hey, violations happen. Oh well. She lied. Oh well. Shrillary comes to mind with Slick Willy. Or, Hillarious and Slick Willy.

What if he disagreed with it? What would you be opining then? Never mind, I can guess.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #36)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:55 PM

54. Guess all you want you have no idea what I'd be saying/thinking.

I like Sanders, I've actually voted for him and campaigned for him, and I don't knock him in any way. Sanders is just not the person I support in the Primary, my vote, my choice.

Let's skip the insults and accusations please.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:50 PM

50. "Supporters" "worried" aren't supporters at all.

They are more concerned about lowering expectations and setting up for failure.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #50)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:18 PM

126. I guess it's not PC to be worried.

Did someone fail to toe your party line?

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:11 PM

60. So this is all you got from the OP? A 4 paragraph copyright rule? Sigh!

 

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Response to Duval (Reply #60)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:59 PM

93. No.

If that's all you got from my post then I can't help you.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:57 PM

92. ...but hey it happens."

WARS that kill and displace MILLIONS,
black people gunned down on the streets without cause,
polluters are destroying our World,
Banksters get away with stolen Billions,
Billionaires are buying our government,

..."but hey it happens".

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #92)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:59 PM

94. What type of electronics device are you using to post on DU?

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #94)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 08:08 PM

96. Ducking and Diving again?

Thought so.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #96)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 08:23 PM

97. No making a point.

And clearly you knew exactly what point I was making.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #97)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:43 PM

135. You have no point.

The "electronic devices" are MY business....not yours.

Now, what "point" were you fumbling?

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #135)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:51 PM

136. No fumble by me.

And I'm not going to engage in this back and forth, I don't resort to personal attacks and that's always what these types of "discussions" turn into.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:32 AM

110. Of course he would do well. That isn't the point, the point is that the DNC under DWS

has manipulated these primaries in order to facilitate one candidate. THAT is wrong, regardless of how great Bernie Sanders does, which he did btw. It isn't just about him. It's about ethics in our political system which under DWS and the Third Way, are now a major problem within our party.

It's the very fact that people overlook the real issue and knee jerk react when someone points it out, that we have this rigged, corrupt system, the very issue that made Bernie Sanders's campaign necessary.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #110)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:47 AM

111. Bernie doesn't seem worried about it...

I think we could all learn from him.

It's funny when someone who doesn't support your candidate has more confidence in him than his own supporters.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #111)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:39 AM

122. If Bernie said he was worried about it, you'd say he was whining & playing victim. nt

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #122)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:19 PM

123. No *I* wouldn't. Some would... I wouldn't be one of them.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #111)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:13 AM

137. Apparently he has been very concerned about it. As would be expected. Bernie isn't about just HIM

he's about the corruption that permeates our system and today he released a statement showing, that like all Americans who noticed the manipulation of the system in favor of one candidate, perpetrated by DWS and the DNC he too noticed it.

So it seems your snide comment is baseless.

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:59 PM

14. ha ha. Why bring Sanders inot something that happened in 2007>????

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Response to riversedge (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:02 PM

17. I wish Sanders supporters would post more positive threads about their candidate

All they do is post negative HRC posts all the live long day. And now they have to go back 9 years for more.

They do Sanders no good.

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Response to Beaverhausen (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:07 PM

18. Apparently, you don't read my posts.

In the past few days, I've posted about Sanders' over-filled town halls and rallies, the wonderful turnout at the #MarchForBernie and his rising poll numbers.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:11 PM

21. Ha!

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:13 PM

61. +1

 

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:14 PM

22. That's great. I see only one on the front page of this forum

The rest I see are about 80% negative posts about Hillary by Bernie supporters.

Just what I see. I'd love to see more positive posts.

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Response to Beaverhausen (Reply #22)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:00 PM

80. Then write your own OP. nt

 

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:26 PM

31. They don't read them because they don't care.

The Berners are constantly posting videos and parodies and memes concerning Bernie. From photos of crowds(ha) to his positions on policies and why they would work. Our side does a bunch of stuff that I rarely see from the other.

Maybe I'm missing something, again, but I don't see the enthusiasm from her side that often.

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Response to Beaverhausen (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:12 AM

109. I have posted lots of posts discussing issues only to have HRC supporters ignore them.

 

By the way, I don't think HRC supporters ever, ever post substantive posts about where they stand on issues. How about you, do you support her stand on college loans? the TPP? Fracking? Prisons for Profits? Deregulation of Wall Street?

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Response to riversedge (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 09:07 PM

102. History Tends To Repeat Itself.. Hillary Cannot Help Herself!

She already "set up" one situation earlier when her team of schemers tutored the little girl to ask Hillary about bullies. The most pathetic stuff is yet to come ... TONIGHT! K and R!

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Response to CorporatistNation (Reply #102)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:23 AM

113. Can't be trusted?

Well Duh!

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:17 PM

25. It is kind of odd Clinton goes last, the prime spot, and gets center stage at all the debates...

Might have been fairest to let O'Malley go last.

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Response to EndElectoral (Reply #25)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:19 PM

67. That's because she is ahead in all the national polls...n/t

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Response to asuhornets (Reply #67)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:23 PM

69. It's because DWS and the DNC are trying to tilt the scales for Hillary

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 10:52 AM

120. So you're going BACK almost a DECADE AGO?!? *sigh*

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:44 PM

5. "...she can't quite be trusted."

Funny. That's like saying a dead person is not quite alive. She can't be trusted unless you're just willing to ignore her history of lies, deflections and avoidance.

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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:10 PM

20. Correct. and history matters, in this case - herstory matters

She is an oligarch, a neocon corporatist. only the 1% can trust her

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:44 PM

6. The last thing they'll ever call her is "Slick Hillary"

She's a liar but not a convincing one, and she lacks the sort of good ol boy charm that slick willy had. People knew he was bullshitting but somehow they didn't care. With her, people think she's lying, even when she isn't. She's more like Richard M Nixon.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:51 PM

10. More like Huckster Hillary.

Sheesh.



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Response to tularetom (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:47 AM

116. Or

Slick Willy and Un-Slick Hilly. What a pair.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:46 PM

7. I disagree with Gergen perpetrating a fraud on the American People to warp their perceptions

is not equivalent to a "parking ticket" unless you have no moral foundation or respect for democracy.

Thanks for the thread, ViseGrip.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:45 PM

75. +1,000,000!!!

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:01 AM

117. Yup.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:47 PM

8. 2007?

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Response to Beaverhausen (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:47 PM

76. Otherwise known as the last time Hillary ran a Presidential primary campaign.

We have a Democratic Town Hall with a Hillary partisan (with "HRC2016" on her Iowa license plates) organizing this Town Hall so I am SURE that nothing like that would ever happen again...

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:48 PM

9. Why Hillary? Why? It's shit like this that could cost us the election if she is the nominee.

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Response to jillan (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:52 PM

11. From 2007? Pretty sure that town hall isn't taking place anytime soon.

 

Just saying...



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Response to JTFrog (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:01 PM

16. If it happened before how do we know it hasn't happened again in this run?

I haven't seen her taking questions from the audience at rallies. But, then she may do it in the smaller groups she meets with.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:16 PM

24. More made up vile conspiracy theories from the Sanders camp. Nothing new. But shameful.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #24)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:36 PM

37. Good lawd...vile conspiracy theories. That she doesn't take questions from a crowd?

 

She didn't even show up in Iowa for a Conversation that had only 6 people...IIRC.

I love this place.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #37)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:28 PM

71. Exactly. And above you, the only shameful thing was Hillary's cheating in the last race Town Hall!

 

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Response to riversedge (Reply #24)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:47 PM

77. Made up? Conspiracy?

Amazing that you stick up for this kind of behavior. Is this what attracts you to her as a candidate?

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:54 PM

12. Clinton campaign spokesman Mo Elleithee said, "This is not acceptable campaign process moving

forward. We've taken steps to ensure that it never happens again." Elleithee said Clinton had "no idea who she was calling on."

Riiiiiiiiight! We believe you.

This is pathetic, but predictable and expected. Planted questions - just like Bush.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:37 PM

41. By "process" she means that whole bit about getting caught

 

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Response to Android3.14 (Reply #41)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:49 PM

78. :)

I'm sure! Now everyone knows just how managed HRH is. SHE can't even answer off-the-cuff questions. Reminds me so much if Bush!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 04:55 PM

13. Jury results (2-5). I was juror #4.

 

On Mon Jan 25, 2016, 03:49 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Student describes how she became a Clinton Plant - Why is this Town Hall even taking place?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511064059

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

2007 article posted (copyright violation alert already sent) just to taunt and bait. It has nothing to do with the current primaries.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Jan 25, 2016, 03:54 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'd like to thank the alerter for pointing this out so I could give it a Rec. Hopefully this goes 0-7.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think readers can decide if this article is still relevant and have a discussion about without it becoming any more disruptive or inflammatory than most of what's posted on GD: Primaries
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This post may be an old story but it has EVERYTHING to do with HRC's lack of character.

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:07 PM

19. Cute how they so often alert on OPs criticizing Hillary.

 

As if it's against the TOS to report negatively on HRH.

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Response to senz (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:21 PM

28. Can't detail Hillary's past history either,

 

according to the alerter, who seems to wish that we were all born yesterday...

Unfortunately, Hillary has more than forty years worth of involvement in the public domain that can be freely discussed at any time.

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Response to John Poet (Reply #28)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:32 PM

35. It's as if they wanted to "slip her in" under cover

 

like they know they've got something unsavory. It's kinda weird.

btw, your sig line is a thing of beauty.

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Response to senz (Reply #35)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:37 PM

40. THANK you.

 

I FINALLY got sick enough of looking at Jeb Bush's stupid mug all the time,
to do something about it. LOL

MUCH better, much better

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:26 PM

32. Whow-you are bragging that you use the jury system to further your own candidates advancement. Whow

Do you think that is the right thing to do??



FRom your post above.

Electric Monk (13,156 posts)
13. Jury results (2-5). I was juror #4.

On Mon Jan 25, 2016, 03:49 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Student describes how she became a Clinton Plant - Why is this Town Hall even taking place?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511064059

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

2007 article posted (copyright violation alert already sent) just to taunt and bait. It has nothing to do with the current primaries.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Jan 25, 2016, 03:54 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'd like to thank the alerter for pointing this out so I could give it a Rec. Hopefully this goes 0-7.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE

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Response to riversedge (Reply #32)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:37 PM

39. The alerter's attempt to abuse the jury system to censor information about THEIR candidate backfired

 

Were you the alerter?

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #39)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:44 PM

48. You are one bragging that you abuse the DU jury system. And you distracted by

question to you. Do you think it is right to use the jury system -since you were one of the jurors --to advance your own candidate?


And no-to answer your question--I did not alert on the results that you posted above.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #48)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:51 PM

52. I think you are viewing it through your hyper-partisan lens and are not objective in the least. nt

 

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Response to riversedge (Reply #48)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:52 PM

53. I didn't see the abuse.

I saw a 5-2 decision based on an issue so not hide-worthy, that electric monk found value in a post he otherwise would have missed.

How is that abuse of the jury system? It sounds more like a weak-sauce attack on your part against Electric Monk after a weak-sauce alert was tossed to the curb both rightfully and overwhelmingly.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #32)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:38 PM

42. Wrong. The alert was to advance Hillary by silencing her critics.

 

Now that is using the jury system.

And then, of course, there is alert stalking planned off site...

Oh my.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:00 PM

15. I guess the obvious question is did it really really happen? Lots of innuendo from NINE years ago!

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:16 PM

23. How can history not matter to those who try to change it?

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:19 PM

26. Not surprised by pre-screened questions at her own event,but at a group TownHall would be a shocker.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:20 PM

27. Clinton: detached from reality, can't even face a 19 year old student.

 

And this is the woman who deems herself worthy of the presidency.

"Prime-Minister Turnbull, I don't think President Clinton wants to discuss international co-operation on gun control. She may not be familiar with all the specifics of the Australian Model. Why don't you just discuss the TPP version 4.12 with her?"

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #27)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:24 PM

29. The tactic boils down to this: if you can plant enough questions

 

that you want to answer, it uses up the time that might otherwise be spent by being asked questions that you would rather NOT answer.


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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:24 PM

30. pffft,no shit? I never did trust this last minute

question session thing.They are trying to set Bernie up.

But,Bernie knows it too.He has been

around this bullshit how long now?

GO GET EM BERNIE!!!!!!

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Response to wendylaroux (Reply #30)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 08:33 PM

98. Yup, this is going to be quite the test.

Talk about the deck being stacked against American voters.

Bring it on....

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:27 PM

33. And you think this is a new thing, why?

Where have you been?

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:28 PM

34. K+R!!!

Thanks visegrip.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:37 PM

38. K & R !!!

 


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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:38 PM

43. Just a thought about slick Hillary. I like slippery Hillary myself. eom

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:39 PM

44. this is disappointing... and it's also from 2007

Which isn't to say this kind of thing isn't happening now. But an 8-year-old article certainly isn't proof that it is happening now.

I am 100% behind Bernie, but I hate to see attacks on Hillary coming from our side. As Thom Hartmann said the other night (I think on Chris Hayes' show), I support Bernie, but I would vote for either one in a heartbeat. The alternative (and I don't mean Martin O'Malley) is unthinkable.

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Response to renate (Reply #44)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:10 PM

59. Thom is great, but it will be with much heart ache that I cast my vote for her, if that's what I

decide to do.

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Response to renate (Reply #44)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:13 PM

87. Thank you. Attacks like this won't help us as a party

to go forward together and support WHOEVER is the nominee in the end.

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Response to renate (Reply #44)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 09:04 PM

101. I was unable to pull up a date on this article. Why doesn't it show up on the site?

Very unethical of the OP if they deliberately hid it to make it appear current.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:41 PM

45. It's not good, but why did you have to use a 2007 story?

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Response to book_worm (Reply #45)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:44 PM

47. Because these ARE her tactics. History must count, if you want to change it.

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:43 PM

46. Ambush attempt!

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Response to Helen Borg (Reply #46)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:47 PM

49. Keep kicking!

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:50 PM

51. Certainly explains how any discussion re: marijuana legalization "magically" gets derailed by

Conveniently placed concern about "our pressing heroin crisis"

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #51)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:56 PM

55. Intersesting and true. Marijuana should have made it into the discussion and it did not.

 

Good point! KICK

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:59 PM

56. She sure has no idea of what's going on a lot

 

"Clinton had no idea who she was calling on". Right. Between all oif the this gfs that happens that she has no knowledge of, and all of her " I don't recall" s I think we should question her mental ability to serve in any position at all.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:08 PM

57. ARGH! Well, can't deny this says a lot about her campaign methods.

 

But, I'm still amazed. Why on earth, if she is so smart, did she resort to tactics like this? Did she think, really, that students are stupid?
I don't know how well this is known, but I do know students love social media.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:09 PM

58. Here's hoping it turns around and bites them. n /t

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:14 PM

63. This Is Just Wrong and Immoral.....

Any candidate that condones or accepts this behavior by their campaign shouldn't be considered for office.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:15 PM

64. Agree, it's immoral. Kick this to the 100 club!

 

And she wonders why her numbers on trust are so low. Gads.....

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:17 PM

65. three dollar hill

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:18 PM

66. The night of the Town Hall, I will donate to Bernie Sanders, again!

 

Let us all do that!

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:19 PM

68. LOL

You can't appear relaxed and spontaneous if you've never practiced your response.

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Response to mhatrw (Reply #68)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:26 PM

70. Exactly why she "does so well at these types of events". So let's put one together cuz she's losing.

 

Hillary the crybaby.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:29 PM

72. Bernie has integrity and good judgment. Hillary, not so much!

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Response to TryLogic (Reply #72)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:35 PM

73. Oh well. It's a blocked from public debate once again anyway. Only repubicans open up to all viewers

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:40 PM

74. one thing that will help is social media

every misstep, if there are any, any shady looking questions, if there are any, will be instantly all over sm and there will be no place to hide.

i hope everyone is on good behavior and sticks to issues. from what i hear about iowa voters, they have a low tolerance for contrived bullshit.

lets touch gloves, have a clean fight, and iowans, stay warm!

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:55 PM

79. And to further put this "plant" situation into context

The town-hall that Hillary organized (the one that featured the planted questions) was a crisis-communication response from her campaign. She was losing ground to Obama, and many Iowans were very vocal about her impersonal and cold campaign tactics.

Clinton left her speeches, right after giving them. She never took questions. She stood at a podium giving her canned speeches. There was no connection with us. Which is weird, because every politician who comes through here, knows that you have to engage with Iowa voters. Republicans know it and do it, so do Democrats.

Hillary seemed like she couldn't be bothered.

So this town hall was her "I'm so sorry, I didn't realize!" event. She promised to be open and take questions from Iowans.

Then, we find out the questions were planted. Yeah...didn't look very good.

I have no clue what these weasels will do this time. She's behind the eight ball, her campaign is taking on water and Bernie is surging. This entire CNN thing was organized on her behalf. Maybe the dirty trick is that it was organized in the first place. Then again, maybe the entire thing is rigged (bombs lobbed at Bernie, softballs at Hillary and Hillary knows the questions before the event).

Isn't it so shitty that we are even having these discussions? The woman and her campaign are not trustworthy. I was so happy when she left our state in 08. It's been a very long campaign season. Does she even realize that she drains the fun out of the caucus process. Even the Republicans don't act like devious idiots they way she does. Happy to caucus for Bernie. Happy to have the caucuses here--and I'll be so damn glad when she exits our state. Sorry, NH, you get her next. I hope your voting machines are secure.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #79)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:03 PM

81. This story is from 2007. To put it into further context. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #81)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:08 PM

84. Again, don't ignore history and act like you want to change it. History of her untrustworthiness!

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #84)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:12 PM

85. In 2007 Bernie was voting against gun control. Again. Don't ignore history

and act like you want to change it.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #81)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 08:53 PM

100. I think we're all aware of that (nt)

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:05 PM

82. While I believe this still may happen

 

This is from 2007. May have been a good idea to post that as a disclaimer. I am a Bernie supporter but I want to win without any questions from the Hillary camp.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:06 PM

83. This is from 2007. What was Bernie doing in 2007? Voting against gun control, as usual.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/bernie-sanders-awkward-history-with-guns-in-america-119185

Sanders’ vote against the Brady Bill was one of several that appealed to the gun-rights community, including a 2007 vote that prohibited foreign or United Nations aid to be used for gun control and a 2009 vote to allow firearms on checked bags on Amtrak.


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Response to pnwmom (Reply #83)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:12 PM

86. Oh, he was doing more that an that. Bernie has

 

been a workhorse in Congress. And he wasn't busy lying and smearing and using Lee Atwater style dog whistles. That's what your precious Hillary was doing.

I have no respect for serial liars and unethical people. That is what Hillary is. Yes, she's smart and informed and accomplished, but that does not cancel out her dishonesty, conflicts of interest, political and personal opportunism, etc.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #83)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:36 PM

89. Why would you ignore history, and act like you want to change it? History of CHEATING HERE....

 

in these types of debates. How can you trust her now? Please explain....cuz we want to know.

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #89)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:56 PM

91. Why would you ignore Bernie's history of gun control votes

and expect him to change?

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:33 PM

88. Just watching my local news

They showed Bernie listening and responding to the woman in Iowa about her hardship. They reported in Hillary's speech she used the, "It's time to put a woman in the White House." I find that insulting.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:45 PM

90. icky icky

 

very tough to root for somebody so superficially calculating. controlled appearances. carefully managed spontaneity. everything just drips of how badly she wants all the power in the world to be hers. like when she laughed at Chuck Todd's weak/low-energy dig...just laughed straight through the question to obfuscate its import for anybody paying half an ear to the tv. str8^ emperor palpatine level terrifying when she laughs, no?

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 08:36 PM

99. In 90 minutes, some Hillary supporters will ask her and Bernie some questions designed to help her

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:20 PM

103. Well do you see now? Cumo talked to Bernie most of the time, O'Malley gets to go on and on....

 

Cumo went on and on, and did more talking than Bernie. They just don't want people to hear Bernie. I don't have cable, a neighbor called me to report on how the Town Hall was going...

just as I suspected.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:24 PM

104. Madam Pantsuit likes it scripted and controlled. One reason she has an email problem.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #104)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:40 PM

105. The kids see it too. The question/statement we think you're dishonest. She yelled at him.

 

Not sure what she was trying to do there....

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:13 AM

106. I remember this story from the 2008 campaign well. The local media in Iowa turned it into Watergate.

This "infraction" was actually incredibly low on the totem poll. But the media pilloried Clinton over it. Had it happened with Obama or Edwards--which I'm sure it did--we never would have even heard about it.

This "wrongdoing" was IMO a major reason for her poor finish in Iowa. I said that to many people at the time.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #106)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:37 AM

107. This time it will be her continued dishonesty, like saying she was under enemy fire, on and on.

 

Her lack of character also really plays bad this time, after sending her daughter out to lie. Now she wants to send more soldiers to die. She spoke of more war tonight, and that is going to hurt her.

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #107)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:44 AM

108. I'm sorry you think so little of somebody who I admire so much.

If Hillary is the nominee I hope you will support her in the GE, just as I will support Sanders or O'Malley if one of them were to be the nominee.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:16 AM

112. knr nt

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:38 AM

114. I would have said: Mdm Secretary, your staff wanted me to ask you ...... and then see what happens.

 

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #114)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:03 PM

125. problem...

she wasn't the Secretary of State in 2007...so....

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:44 AM

115. I was a Future Farmer of America in High School and appeared on Agriculture USA, a TV program

There was an Ag. Industry guy we could ask questions of on the show, but we were given a list of questions we had to pick from. Taught me a lot about politics.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 09:28 AM

118. Nixon Too

Rodger Ailes taught Nixon this very technique back in the day of Nixon's comeback and that may have been the beginning of Media Deception...

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 09:31 AM

119. Only in Camp Sanders

could a story from 2007 get rehashed into nearly 200 upvotes.


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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:57 PM

124. wtf?!?

...2007?...this supposedly happened in 2007?


oh, for f**k's sake...

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:31 PM

127. Planting seems accepted tactic now

 

"They all do it." That's fine, but it still seems deceptive to do it in a forum where the "average person" is supposed to ask what's on their mind, nt what is on the mind of somebody's campaign staffer.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:34 PM

129. Suddenly Clinton ain't quite so smart as we are lead to believe.

 

These people ain't any smarter than the average Joe. Clinton is the least exceptional of all the candidates, she just don't give a shit!!!

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:05 PM

131. K&R

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:53 PM

132. No Matter How You Want To Support This Or Whether This

situation really disgusts you, I have to ask myself a question. Of course, because I'm a political junky and know a lot of what goes on during an election and I know how I feel.

Without mentioning any names, say you stand on a corner and ask passerby's what they think about being approached to ask something and then being told they would prefer another question to be asked. How do you think the man/woman on the street would answer the question regarding whether he/she thought it was fair.

I think I know what most people would say.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #132)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:28 PM

133. ^^^this^^^

 

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