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[thereismore]

1. Ummm... yes. nt

[JonLeibowitz]

2. I don't disagree but this is a discussion forum and this OP appears to just be shit stirring.

Sorry, just calling it as I see it.

[beaglelover]

6. That's typical for this poster. She's currently on a time out from DI so she comes here to stir the

shit.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

11. Yeah, so what?

Yours is a big tent, blah, blah, blah, ...unless you feel otherwise that entitlement is threatened?

[darkangel218]

19. What?? Lmao!!!!!!!!!

You barely have 300 posts on here, yet you complain about other DUers??? Wow, this is rich!!



ROFL!

[pintobean]

38. Why would the member's post count matter?

S/he's been a member here for over 7 years.

[MineralMan]

40. Comparing post counts is a pretty poor argument, really.

What do you think posts counts reveal for a long-time member here? The reality is that most DUers post infrequently. That does not mean their posts are not worth reading.

I'd encourage you to use caution in ROFLing at long-time DUers with low post counts.

[beaglelover]

41. Only other DUers whose behavior I know well from DI.

[restorefreedom]

3. agree!!! nt

[peacebird]

4. I certainly hope so! And plan to work to make it happen!

[darkangel218]

28. It will happen!!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

5. Yes

[brooklynite]

7. The nice thing about dreaming is that anything can happen...

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The sad thing about dreaming is that eventually you wake up...

[darkangel218]

17. True.

Except we live in reality.

And Bernie is as real as they come.

[TIME TO PANIC]

8. If there are no shenanigans, and the voters have their say.

[MisterP]

9. the question always boils down to--"what does Clinton have to offer?"

[roguevalley]

10. second question. how long will she get to offer it? Consider the movement

to replace her with Biden and others? I think she's on borrowed time with the people she supports, the unsentiment don't give a shit establishment.

[artislife]

24. Even people on her side don't have a lot of faith in her! nt

[senz]

23. She gave the answer to Goldman Sachs.

We don't have enough money to get it.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

12. I'm sending vibes from Canada!

[darkangel218]

27. Thanks, Joe!

Every bit helps!

[Avalux]

13. Hear hear! K&R and thank you! n/t

[Gothmog]

14. Then open Irish brokerage account and buy an option on this prediction

You would get a great return on your investment if you are right http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-democratic-nomination

[FrenchieCat]

15. And lose the general election....

could happen!

[darkangel218]

16. No he won't!

HC would though, if she gets nominated.

Let's hope she won't.

[FrenchieCat]

18. Well, I have my reasons to believe that Sanders has the biggest chance of losing....

and I'm not alone, considering that Bernie Sanders has been touting polls as of late.

Here, let me....considering that Bernie Sanders has been touting polls as of late.

71% of Democratic voters think Hillary has a better chance than Sanders to win the general election -
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/25/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-poll/index.html

In fact, most bipartisan polls prior to Iowa in head to head match up have been wrong...

[darkangel218]

20. You can believe in whatever you want.

But HC is fair game for Repubs in the GE, if she ever gets there. All her scandals will follow her, making it a guaranteed loss for the Democratic party.

I am confident that Bernie will win the Primaries though.

[FrenchieCat]

29. I disagree.....

Especially if the GOP nominee is Trump! Many financially moderate republicans, and Independents will go into the voting booth and vote for Hillary, and if they can't bring themselves to do it, the will vote for every other race but that one, and if they are totally disgusted, they will stay home. They may not like Hillary, but if faced with the choice of an unknown quantity like the Bombastic self absorbed Trump and Hillary, the known quantity wins (they actually fared quite well under her husband...and they know that she can at least run a government and won't take them over the brink), and since the House would remain in GOP hand, status quo looks awfully good to them compared to who knows what? These are folks who aren't wedded to social issues, but want to protect their interest before pulling the lever for crazy Trump. It's like what Lindsey Grahm stated publicly....Trump or Cruz, it's like choosing between taking poison or being stabbed with a knife. Lindsey Graham is not even that moderate, and if he feels that way, you can bet that there there are many more who feel the same. .

[senz]

22. And yet the polls show Bernie beating the Repubicans by a wider margin than Hillary.

That is how one wins the GE: beating the other party's nominee.

[darkangel218]

25. +1!!!!^^

[FrenchieCat]

30. Polls for McCain prior to the Iowa Vote,

also showed him beating Obama...

Spread was +6 to +12 from various polls. All of them.

That's how it works before the vetting and any votes are cast.

[artislife]

26. 43% of the voters is independent. nt

[FrenchieCat]

31. yes...and? Most independents these days are the more conservative ones.....

i.e., Moderate Republicans ashamed of their party....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1251&pid=1068435

[artislife]

32. Who are impressed with authenticity and hate the status quo.

Which are two big problems for h.

[FrenchieCat]

33. Who are impressed with proposed giant tax increases?

and a health care system compared to that of tiny European countries, after fighting over health care for 5 years?

The way that Bernie is being treated currently will not last in a GE.

The redistribution of wealth in Ohio
and calls for a Revolution won't play well with those who have even a little to lose.

Especially if Trump turns out NOT to be the nominee....and we have a youthful Rubio and his reasonable sounding word salads,
going up against Sanders! The GOP is right now trying to figure out if there's a way to get rid of Trump....and Rubio has been sitting in the middle. I watched Rubio in a town hall, and he's pretty good....kinda has a Ricky Ricardo/Frank Sinatra look. Hillary with all of her experience (you know about the October surprise) will look fantastic in contrast.

[FrenchieCat]

34. Who are Independents?

Second, likely independent voters are very much middle of the road Americans—not too liberal, nor too conservative. They could even be termed that ‘sensible’ center that many pundits wax philosophically about. The analysis here shows that they actually tend towards mixed solutions. For instance, 62% believe that the best solution to the deficit is some mix of tax increases and spending cuts (see appendix). Practically speaking, independents are looking for commonsensical ‘mixed’ solutions, not radical ones.

Third, likely independent voters are more liberal on social issues, such gay marriage, abortion, and legalization of marijuana. Here the evidence indicates that such ‘wedge issues’ might have a positive effect if used effectively by Obama’s campaign. Here, again, moderation not radicalization should be the tone of any message.

Fourth, on the key issue of the day, the economy, likely independent voters lean slightly towards Romney but 53% still remain undecided, indicating that the battle over the optics on the economy has just begun. Indeed, Romney will continue to attack Obama’s credibility on the economy, making the case that he would be a better economic custodian. In contrast, Obama will push the narrative that no one with a track record like Romney’s at Bain should be trusted to take care of the average American.
http://spotlight.ipsos-na.com/index.php/news/game-of-inches-2-likely-independent-voters-who-they-are-and-what-do-they-think/


What do Independents believe in?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1753473

[artislife]

35. I understand, you don't get it. Vote for h if you want

You haven't been where thousands of us have been.

We lost it all or most of it. We don't believe in incremental change because that is so very close to trickle down.

Eff this shit.

[FrenchieCat]

36. Ok....

Change usually doesn't come in one fell swoop!

And voters will telegraph that to you in November....

The type of Independent Bernie was, is not the type that the Majority of Independents are.

and the 80 year old grandmother won't be standing in line to vote for the 1st Black President.

Maybe the youth population will come out by an additional 2-3%.....
but the folks who don't want radical change will also be coming out in droves,
if Bernie is the nominee.

Now, that doesn't mean that Bernie won't win....just means that based on all of the elections that I've seen,
based on how much money the Republicans will spend to define Bernie who hasn't been defined yet,
by our Corporate media....who probably won't even air Bernie enough for enough of the working Joes and Marys
to even hear his unfitered message.

Will he go with public financing.....because although he believes in it, if he takes it, it will be a blood bath!

Obama's numbers were hurt in Ohio when it was said that he had mentioned redistributing the wealth...
and he hadn't even said that.....so where goes Ohio, goes the country.

[artislife]

37. Change happens on a dime

Look at everything that happened in your life.

A loved one dies.

A tornado touches down.

9/11

An earthquake

A Tsunami takes out 227,898 people

The market crashes


You take Obama as an example...People now have lived through the whole collapse of 2010. There are a lot of people who lost everything and now are working service jobs that pay little more than minimum wage. Lots of people are still not where they were in 2008 and it hit people who played by the rules, did everything right.

I am putting my vote in for Bernie.

[senz]

21. May you be prescient. May you have the gift of prophecy.

May you have access to all the esoteric knowledge, and may you be absolutely right on this prediction!

However, I'd like it better if you saw him winning the GE too. Okay?

[MineralMan]

39. Odds are that he will not.

He could, of course, but it seems rather unlikely to me. I'm not seeing a path to that, really. He's doing well in a couple of states, though.

[MineralMan]

44. Well, hold onto that certainty as long as you can.

[darkangel218]

45. Lol...

You'll see I was right in a few months.

[snooper2]

46. Did you read this in the stars?

LOL

[darkangel218]

47. Nope. Just in the enthusiasm of his supporters.

Not the same can be said about H.

[Betty Karlson]

48. I don't want to count chickens before they are hatched.

But I will observe that every day, more and more poultry is gathering for a hatching.

[randome]

49. You're setting yourself up to fail.

You should never make a blanket statement like this. Nothing good can come of it, unless you're hoping with fingers crossed that you're right and that people everywhere will take whatever you say from now on as the truth -an extremely unlikely occurrence.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

[MineralMan]

50. That poster can't reply to you at this point.

On a time-out for an exposed transparency page.

[FSogol]

51. Whoops!