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SleeplessinSoCal

(8,998 posts)
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 09:57 PM Jan 2016

Sanders Supporters Overly Zealous and Divisive

It will be a hard fall brought on by those who "support" him most. I do wonder if this is how America elects Donald Trump....

Taking apart Al Franken on Facebook is akin to mutiny in my estimation. The lack of respect for traditiinal democrats shows a real intolerance I never imagined was percolating here. And you will lose needed allies. Wasn't this the "no attacks" campaign?

And it goes out to Paul Krugman as well.

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/01/24/1474580/-Paul-Krugman-I-m-getting-the-kind-of-correspondence-I-usually-get-from-Rush-Limbaugh-listeners?detail=email


I'm sick at heart. I've been blocked by both groups for asking questions. And I really don't want to be here after 12 years of being registered on DU.

So bash away. That is what this place has come to and it is depressing as hell.
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Sanders Supporters Overly Zealous and Divisive (Original Post) SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2016 OP
MUTINY!! LOL! morningfog Jan 2016 #1
The drama is thick around here, isn't it?! Arugula Latte Jan 2016 #53
Good movie. 840high Jan 2016 #63
Meh. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #2
what is all this whiny crap from people? what do they think politics is? roguevalley Jan 2016 #17
The primaries are always like this, it's nothing new. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #21
Why, it's our daily "Bernie supporters are so mean" thread notadmblnd Jan 2016 #35
Lots of tears. artislife Jan 2016 #64
"Taking apart Al Franken on Facebook." Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #3
Might you be persuaded to give me a summary? SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #31
I didn't spend a great deal of time Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #37
There were a lot of comments along the lines of: Arugula Latte Jan 2016 #97
Sounds reasonable to me, thanks. nt SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #104
Overzealous ... Trajan Jan 2016 #4
There is a simple solution to not wanting to be here cali Jan 2016 #5
So how would you suggest that those of us who do not want jwirr Jan 2016 #6
Oooh, that sarcasm is dripping rich with insight. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #81
Thanks. They really do think they have something to say to us. jwirr Jan 2016 #99
Pot, meet kettle jfern Jan 2016 #7
Exactly. Lorien Jan 2016 #22
Dont go away mad, just go away litlbilly Jan 2016 #8
Wow. How petty. Empowerer Jan 2016 #9
What kind of fucking hall monitor do you think you are? Sheepshank Jan 2016 #48
There's no need for that rudeness. tazkcmo Jan 2016 #55
One of the cardinal rules of DU, and one that has always MineralMan Jan 2016 #96
And more of what the BBC talked about stevenleser Jan 2016 #115
What? JEB Jan 2016 #10
The main thing is: don't take it too seriously. DanTex Jan 2016 #11
One of the best explanations of this dynamic that I've seen Empowerer Jan 2016 #14
I agree with the first part of your analysis, SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #33
+1 betsuni Jan 2016 #59
thanks for those positive words and thoughtful post. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2016 #70
I've noticed that Hillary supporters are saints. tecelote Jan 2016 #79
You nailed it again. nt Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #108
Their level of wrathful and spiteful language, as a group, is disheartening. Sanders doesn't talk Zynx Jan 2016 #12
Hillary supporters have taken their vitriol to other sites Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #39
That domain name's a clear stab at the off-DU pro-Bernie forum, John Poet Jan 2016 #62
On the original Jackpine Radicals site, Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #68
He did? Wow, do you have a link to that, would love to read it. Kentonio Jan 2016 #74
I will try to look it up after I've rested up a bit Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #83
Rest well. Kentonio Jan 2016 #94
OK, here you go Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #105
Awesome, thanks. Kentonio Jan 2016 #106
I'm undecided, and I get turned off by supporters on either side who are nasty. cwydro Jan 2016 #13
Oh come on...everybody's very spirited...it's the nature of the game alcibiades_mystery Jan 2016 #15
ah, another "evil sanders supporters" thread. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #16
We were overdue. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #18
OMG! An attack of Sanders supporters! I've never seen THAT before! Bonobo Jan 2016 #19
lets think about something here. Its bizarre that HRC supporters would vent roguevalley Jan 2016 #40
This should be on OP nt SwampG8r Jan 2016 #123
You should see the unhinged nasty unsolicited email I got from a Hillary fan on time out. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #20
Bet I know which one too. hobbit709 Jan 2016 #32
Yeah, that one. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #44
Starts with a "V"? Flying Squirrel Jan 2016 #75
Yep...I instantly blocked 'em. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #76
We should get together a group message to Admin Flying Squirrel Jan 2016 #78
I read the Facebook posts. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #23
Swarming is swarming....100 Sheepshank Jan 2016 #50
Killer Mike is not a US Senator. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #93
Poor Al Franken colsohlibgal Jan 2016 #24
Exactly. +1 RiverLover Jan 2016 #89
Agreed. blue neen Jan 2016 #25
Completely agree underpants Jan 2016 #26
+1 betsuni Jan 2016 #69
thanks. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2016 #72
Maybe you should try not taking a message board so seriously. bigwillq Jan 2016 #27
Maybe they're agent provocateurs posing as bernie supporters. nt valerief Jan 2016 #28
Lack of respect? mindwalker_i Jan 2016 #29
Sanders supporters..nasty? Yes..Unreasonable?..not so much. Jack-o-Lantern Jan 2016 #30
Berners are shackled by their Hammer & Sickle Deny and Shred Jan 2016 #34
If you think it's been bad lately... asuhornets Jan 2016 #36
You want to see hate? notadmblnd Jan 2016 #38
Don't forget this site Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #41
Well the OP is already aware of all us Hillary haters- as today it was their turn to post notadmblnd Jan 2016 #42
Guess I haven't been high-profile enough to be ridiculed there. Flying Squirrel Jan 2016 #77
Bashing DUers or DU is not allowed at JPR. Unlike HillaryClintonSupporters.com, where it's SOP. in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #107
I THINK THEY ARE Negative, angry, misrepresenting truth..... I am not happy with what I see. trueblue2007 Jan 2016 #43
A campaign built on generating anger frazzled Jan 2016 #45
ˆˆTHIS! Thank you! Empowerer Jan 2016 #49
Articulate well reasoned post redstateblues Jan 2016 #51
What is this "villify" Franken stuff? Arugula Latte Jan 2016 #57
+1 betsuni Jan 2016 #58
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2016 #67
Thank you! (nt) NurseJackie Jan 2016 #73
Well said. nt Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #98
Do you know how many years we left of center liberals have been told to shut up and vote liberal_at_heart Jan 2016 #46
Obama was a losing candidate? He has been elected twice FYI redstateblues Jan 2016 #52
There was a "before Obama." Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #95
When you start and OP like that, I'm pretty sure you invite some divisiveness, don't you think? MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #47
And yet, oddly, I don't care what you think. Maedhros Jan 2016 #54
Allies on Twitter confirm my concern SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2016 #56
It really is appalling toshiba783 Jan 2016 #60
Bernie supporters have been called racists, etc. People are fed up with Democrats that Skwmom Jan 2016 #61
GBCW elevated to an art form - nt KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #65
I've found that instead of reading GD-P, betsuni Jan 2016 #66
......... Fearless Jan 2016 #71
These accusations of discourtesy are the equivalent of saying to the abused wife Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #80
Has anyone else noticed that Bernie supporters constantly talk about Bernie beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #82
Obviously Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #84
Her supporters don't seem to think so. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #85
HAHAHAHA betsuni Jan 2016 #86
When an op is started to whinge about one group it's only fair to provide a little perspective. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #87
Oh, you're just jealous. betsuni Jan 2016 #88
Of what? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #90
Hello Kitty. betsuni Jan 2016 #91
That's Hello Cthulhu, please leave her out of this. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #92
DU is like this every presidential election cycle. Don't get verklempt about it. Vinca Jan 2016 #100
"Surely, Comrade, you do not want Jones back?" Orsino Jan 2016 #101
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jan 2016 #102
and whose fault will that be? SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2016 #103
now you guys attack Gaba AND Krugman? SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2016 #109
What will it take to admit how much many of you are hurting Bernie? SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2016 #110
I've been blocked my both groups, too. I don't give a fuck, though. More and more I'm leaning Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2016 #111
if Bernie turned you off, are you not going to vote? SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2016 #112
I plan to vote for the down ticket candidates and skip the "presidential nominee" category. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2016 #113
As a "Liberal Stalwart" I think you should vote for Bernie. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2016 #114
And I think you should stop telling black people what to do! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2016 #132
I didn't see your i.d. I saw your name. n/t SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2016 #133
You sound just like bravenak or as she's known around here -- The NEGRESS WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED!!!! Number23 Jan 2016 #120
I find these developments all so very depressing and disturbing./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #116
I do too. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2016 #119
All those trying to demonize Sanders supporters are overly zealous and divisive as hell. nt LWolf Jan 2016 #117
it's like PR. a voter's behavior reflects on Sanders. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2016 #118
Isn't that a two-way street? LWolf Jan 2016 #124
Read the BBC article. It's Bernie's problem because his supporters online presence is negative. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2016 #125
Because LWolf Jan 2016 #134
If you don't want to be here there is a solution to that. Autumn Jan 2016 #121
When you believe your cause is more just DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #122
Sleepless .... Trajan Jan 2016 #126
Just scan the trending topics SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2016 #136
if by traditional you mean establishment, ...I have no use for them. bowens43 Jan 2016 #127
But don't you understand, there *is* no E$tabli$hment... VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #128
I am a enthusiastic Bernie supporter but I don't honeylady Jan 2016 #129
Well Krugman denigrates Bernie's plans even though they're obviously just preliminary. . . Stargleamer Jan 2016 #130
Supporting conservative policies is divisive. Broward Jan 2016 #131
... 99Forever Jan 2016 #135
 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
53. The drama is thick around here, isn't it?!
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:20 AM
Jan 2016

Quick, bring a truckload of smellin' salts and fainting couches! Mutiny! I do declare! *fans self, sips mint julep*

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
2. Meh.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:01 PM
Jan 2016

Politics is a blood sport, trash GDP and read a book, it's toxic in here on the best of days. And definitely an acquired taste.

Did you ever stop to think they're angry because "traditional" Dems don't represent them anymore?

This has been coming for a long time.

Oh and it's hardly one sided, the despicable things said and done by Hillary's supporters are legendary.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
17. what is all this whiny crap from people? what do they think politics is?
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:48 PM
Jan 2016

A hrc supporter called bernie a 'crusty old jew' and I've seen other terrible things too but somehow that doesn't matter. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I'm a leftie and somehow here that means I am either a commie or a bitch. I have waited forty years for Bernie. He's my guy. I'm tired of hearing whining from the other side. Put me on ignore. You'll feel better and so will I.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
21. The primaries are always like this, it's nothing new.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:51 PM
Jan 2016

The racist dog whistles in 2008 were much worse although you're right about the anti-Semitism. Its still early and I'm sure they're not done.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
35. Why, it's our daily "Bernie supporters are so mean" thread
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:19 PM
Jan 2016

It's become such a regular occurrence- you can almost set your watch to them.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
3. "Taking apart Al Franken on Facebook."
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:02 PM
Jan 2016

Lie. Never happened. They disagreed with him. That's not taking anyone apart.

You guys damned well better butch up. If the DNC manages to wrangle the nomination for Hillary you better be ready for some real shit slinging because the Republicans will show her how to do it. Effectively. Not like the pathetic shit she's been trying to throw at Sanders that keeps blowing back on her.

"Taking apart Al Franken." Oy vey!

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
31. Might you be persuaded to give me a summary?
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:10 PM
Jan 2016

I don't do Facebook but like Al Franken, so I am interested.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
37. I didn't spend a great deal of time
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:26 PM
Jan 2016

but the ones I saw basically were just disagreeing with him. I didn't see any obvious vitriol.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
97. There were a lot of comments along the lines of:
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:26 PM
Jan 2016

"Al, I think you're great, but Hillary is a corporatist and Bernie is much more aligned with our ideals" and that sort of thing. The comments are overwhelmingly civil toward Al. And yes some are derogatory toward Hillary but for the most part the comments are not over the top and the posters cite their reasons for disliking her as the nominee -- Wall St. ties, Iraq War, lack of support for single payer, etc.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
4. Overzealous ...
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:02 PM
Jan 2016

Enthusiastic .... what's the difference ?

I'm going with enthusiasm ... Feels good to be FOR something and inspired by a brighter future ....

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
5. There is a simple solution to not wanting to be here
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:05 PM
Jan 2016

And I disagree. I think that largely there's a concerted effort to smear Bernie supporters as a way to taint him.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
6. So how would you suggest that those of us who do not want
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:08 PM
Jan 2016

a corporate democrat candidate act? Set back and shut up? Stay home on election day? Roll over and play dead? Ignore what is happening?

We have had a divided party since 1992 and we the progressives have been doing just that. This time we are not going to let the corporate wing of the party run us over once again. We are fighting back.

I am sorry you are depressed but do you think we have felt any different since 1992?

tazkcmo

(7,286 posts)
55. There's no need for that rudeness.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:25 AM
Jan 2016

I understand passion for your beliefs but that was uncalled for.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
96. One of the cardinal rules of DU, and one that has always
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 09:47 AM
Jan 2016

been followed is that you don't get to tell other DUers to leave. It's insulting, and implies that opinions are not wanted here unless they agree with yours.

Please don't do that. Please don't tell other DUers to "go away." You're not an administrator here. You are just another DUer.

Thanks for your cooperation.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
11. The main thing is: don't take it too seriously.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:39 PM
Jan 2016

Yes, the online Bernie following has grown into a hate-fueled irrational horde, but it's a group dynamic thing. Bernie fans in real life aren't much like what you see on Kos, Reddit, and DU, and even some of the online trolls are probably decent people in real life.

It's kids blowing off steam. They're frustrated with the political situation, they see Bernie as a savior and everyone else as the enemy.

Yes, nominating Bernie is the easiest path to president Trump, but I doubt we're going there.

SleeplessinSoCal

(8,998 posts)
70. thanks for those positive words and thoughtful post.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:45 AM
Jan 2016

Much appreciated. I wouldn't have posted this if I hadn't seen how the vitriol is over the top and spreading when it comes to going after someone like Al Franken on Facebook. How is it good for your candidate to vilify so many potential allies.

I've no idea how this will shake out. But this place is not helpful right now.

(I will feel much better when Debbie Wasserman Schultz is out of the DNC. SHE has been detrimental to the primary and can still do damage so long as she's in the job.)

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
79. I've noticed that Hillary supporters are saints.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 07:33 AM
Jan 2016

Bernie supporters are unlike anything we have seen, ever!

Worse than Republicans and there are so damn many of them!



It's this way every four years and you just can't take it personally. People are passionate about who they support and some get carried away on both sides of the fence.

Republicans are different. There's where the real hate is.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
12. Their level of wrathful and spiteful language, as a group, is disheartening. Sanders doesn't talk
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:40 PM
Jan 2016

like they do and yet they talk in the most fevered and ridiculous tones I've yet seen on this site.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
39. Hillary supporters have taken their vitriol to other sites
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:36 PM
Jan 2016

Like this one: jackassradicals.com

You'll notice that on that so-called "humor" site (where the "humor" is even less funny than Mallard Fillmore), nearly all the posters have screen names that mock the names of Bernie-supporting DUers. The more prolific a Bernie supporter is on DU, the more they are mocked on that other site.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
62. That domain name's a clear stab at the off-DU pro-Bernie forum,
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:36 AM
Jan 2016

Jackpine Radicals
http://jackpineradicals.org/content.php

Most (or all?) of the posters there are also on DU. That site would seem to have started in response to one of the off-DU sites started by Hillary supporters...




Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
68. On the original Jackpine Radicals site,
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:47 AM
Jan 2016

the administrators make every effort to keep the discussion civil and on topic, just like Bernie. Trolls are dealt with swiftly. For example, when the site first started, there was a troll who tried to sling mud, but s/he got the boot real fast. Bernie has even visited the site and likes the civil tone

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
83. I will try to look it up after I've rested up a bit
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 08:22 AM
Jan 2016

I've had a long day today and am on the other side of the world, so it's approaching bedtime for me. In the meantime, maybe another member can show you the thread about Bernie visiting the site

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
13. I'm undecided, and I get turned off by supporters on either side who are nasty.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:43 PM
Jan 2016

But none of them will sway me. Nor do they bother me.

I'll make up my own mind - as will most intelligent voters.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
15. Oh come on...everybody's very spirited...it's the nature of the game
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:44 PM
Jan 2016

People need to relax in all this "The other candidates supporters are rabid" stuff.

It's silly.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
18. We were overdue.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:48 PM
Jan 2016

It had been almost an hour since the last one and peeps were getting the jitters.

DOWN WITH BERNIE BROS!

BOO!

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
40. lets think about something here. Its bizarre that HRC supporters would vent
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:40 PM
Jan 2016

their spleen on berners when the real threat to HRC's campaign is the establishment that she has so slavishly served all this time. Who hasn't seen the reports and stories about how they're readying plan b when she implodes. And she must be for them to be so brazen and open about all of their actions. They must have the internal polls too. It can't be good for them to be readying to kick her to the curb. Biden, Bloomburg, others. They already have someone in line to replace her. They won't be sentimental about it either. She will be out if she falls in Iowa and NH. She bet the farm on both states, expects a firewall to halt Bernie in SC and if and when it doesn't, she will be out and they won't give two shits about the feelings of her supporters. This is about control and money. That is what the establishment does. They don't give a shit about her or her family or bill. They want what they want and if she can't bring it, they will find someone else who they believe can. That is who you need for vent at, not us. We only want our candidate to win. We don't have a structure supporting us like she has that can cut his throat and toss him aside. She does. Consider that for a while. You know from the news cycle that its true and they're waiting.

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
75. Starts with a "V"?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 07:22 AM
Jan 2016

I put that one on ignore long ago. They did stop PMing me when I directly asked why they were arguing via PM instead of publicly. It seems menacing - I don't think that one belongs here at all.

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
78. We should get together a group message to Admin
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 07:31 AM
Jan 2016

From everyone who has been harassed. It's ridiculous that this has gone on so long and affected so many.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
23. I read the Facebook posts.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:53 PM
Jan 2016

No one took Franken apart. The 40 or so posts I read were people who are disappointed in a liberal senator endorsing a less-than-liberal candidate over the liberal one.

People are allowed to be emotional and angry.

In fact, the people being the rudest on his page were Clinton supporters who were name-calling.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
50. Swarming is swarming....100
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:09 AM
Jan 2016

How many Hillary supporters swarmed Killer Mike's page telling him how disappointed they are in him, and how he has let everyone down?

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
24. Poor Al Franken
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:57 PM
Jan 2016

I like Al but he annoyed me with some of his stances as well.

The Hillary crowd seems increasingly panicked. They thought this would be a cakewalk to a coronation but then they thought that in 2008 too.

I guess pointing out facts about Hillary, like the millions she has taken from a Wall Street, or her pro Iraq war vote, is zealous and divisive to them.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink, that is how I see a lot of Hillaryites.

We need to slow down our war machine, we need to swing back from this latest Robber Baron era, cut into rampant economic inequality. The game is rigged and Bernie is the only candidate on record wanting to really unrig it.

blue neen

(12,308 posts)
25. Agreed.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:02 PM
Jan 2016

There are a number of undecided voters here. We'd like to read information, feel-good stories, and discussion of policy issues. Instead, it's just insults as if they've been shot out by automatic weapons. Tat-a-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat. Over and over.

I know Republicans like to infiltrate DU to try the old "divide and conquer" set up. Whatever, have at it. It doesn't work, because it doesn't change anyone's mind.

I really see more and more Democrats being thrown under the bus. Al Franken now? Sheesh, I hadn't heard that one. What a shame.

Keep calm and carry on.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
27. Maybe you should try not taking a message board so seriously.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:06 PM
Jan 2016

If you don't want to be here, don't. You're free to leave at any time.

Thick skin is recommended in politics.

Have a good night.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
29. Lack of respect?
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:06 PM
Jan 2016

So we should just gobble up the jizz we've been presented with and like it? I respect Krugman but disagree with him on this issue. We don't follow royals here. We question our leaders, and reject them when they suck. That's what democracy is. Want to talk about lack of respect? Look at Hillary's campaign and how she would "shake some sense" into people who don't just love her.

Yeah, fuck this shit!

Deny and Shred

(1,061 posts)
34. Berners are shackled by their Hammer & Sickle
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:18 PM
Jan 2016

Thank goodness Sen. McCaskill wasn't zealous nor divisive in calling an otherwise potential Democratic nominee a Communist.

Nor was DWS zealous nor divisive in calling him a thief, then refusing to defend that accusation when asked to do so in court.

One must look far and wide to find zealous and divisive Clinton supporters. They are all saintly victims of Bernie's treachery.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
36. If you think it's been bad lately...
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:20 PM
Jan 2016

Wait until Hillary Clinton's time to speak at the town hall on CNN..Bernie's supporters are going to take over the Hillary Discussion thread. But I say hold on, don't leave, we need you.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
42. Well the OP is already aware of all us Hillary haters- as today it was their turn to post
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:47 PM
Jan 2016

the daily "Bernies supporter's are so mean" thread. So that's no secret.

But since the OP didn't appear to be aware that there are plenty of haters on the HRC side- I just thought I'd point it out. -

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
107. Bashing DUers or DU is not allowed at JPR. Unlike HillaryClintonSupporters.com, where it's SOP.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 03:36 AM
Jan 2016

Perhaps the OP would feel more at home at your other Bernie hate site.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

trueblue2007

(17,138 posts)
43. I THINK THEY ARE Negative, angry, misrepresenting truth..... I am not happy with what I see.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:51 PM
Jan 2016

i will vote for our nominee. i don't rant, rave and carry on like i see bernie people doing.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
45. A campaign built on generating anger
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:43 AM
Jan 2016

ends up ... generating anger. Why this is appealing to anyone is beyond me, but it's obviously appealing to a great many people (as it is in the other party). This anger and and retributive behavior is not accidental. A real leader generates a constituency that is inspired to work constructively and positively. Finger wagging and sloganeering and promoting ideological fervor generates a constituency that becomes a cult of personality devoted to destroying anyone who doesn't drink the Leader's Kool-Aid hook line and sinker.

I find the conspiratorial, angry behavior, frankly scary. It's one thing to criticize the political opponent. Have at it. That's politics, childish as it is. It's another thing to vilify honest, thinking, experienced people (such as Franken or Krugman) in the process for their beliefs, and to accuse them of all kinds of ridiculous perfidy. I don't want to live in a country where a leader tolerates this kind of behavior on the part of his acolytes. I believe Senator Sanders, unwittingly or not, has created a monster. He needs to find a way to rein in this nonsense. If he can't inspire that kind of respect in his followers, he's not a leader.

So don't respond with the tired old "Oh, there they go again, attacking the supporters" business. It's way beyond that. It's a real issue. And it's beyond depressing.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
51. Articulate well reasoned post
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:19 AM
Jan 2016

The constant drive to generate anger is troubling. If Bernie was ever elected the anger would quickly turn on him as his supporters woke to the realization that ours is a system that only works when there is compromise.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
57. What is this "villify" Franken stuff?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:24 AM
Jan 2016

Such an exaggeration.

A lot of people disagreed with his endorsement, yet their language toward Franken was almost entirely civil. I'm sure there are always a few nuts, but, really, disagreement is not the same as attacking and villifying.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
46. Do you know how many years we left of center liberals have been told to shut up and vote
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:47 AM
Jan 2016

Democratic and then get the blame when the party chooses a loosing candidate? The lack of respect for traditional Democrats came from traditional Democrats abandoning the American people and accepting big fat checks from lobbyists. Sorry you will get no sympathy from me.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
47. When you start and OP like that, I'm pretty sure you invite some divisiveness, don't you think?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:53 AM
Jan 2016

I mean, come on... geez... I spent the earlier part of the evening trying to provide evidence to somewhere who wanted me to explain about Sander's plan for single payer. You know what? It was a bait for an argument where there was only one answer, which was to say how stupid it was to think that there was such a thing.

I'm unsure how many in either court "win" the nasty award, but if you really wish to discuss the issues of this election here, or elsewhere, you'll find PLENTY of Sanders supporters like myself and MANY here who are willing to engage on the issues.

I've been doing it all along. Oh, and when people act like fools, I don't suffer them easily. That shouldn't make me anything more than someone who stands up for themselves.

Take a break if it's that bad. Probably will do you good.

toshiba783

(74 posts)
60. It really is appalling
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:33 AM
Jan 2016

The amount of disinformation, hatred and assumptions being spread is really unfortunate - I totally get attacking someones record with proven information, but those attacks are rarities. At least on this board, it would be nice if moderators would just delete all of the blatant falsities that are only meant to rile up the base.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
61. Bernie supporters have been called racists, etc. People are fed up with Democrats that
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:36 AM
Jan 2016

support a system that delivers very little to the people.

betsuni

(25,136 posts)
66. I've found that instead of reading GD-P,
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:34 AM
Jan 2016

I can save time and get the same effect by slamming my head against the wall while angrily muttering paranoid Hillary conspiracies, Wall St., Goldman Sachs, The Establishment, corporate America, emails, status quo, FDR Democrats -- then I burst into tears at how mean Camp Weathervane Hillarians are 'cause that one time someone said something mean and how dare anyone make fun of me for posting ridiculous things with carefully randomized capitalizations in THE title -- and finally, self-righteously vow never to vote for Hillary ever ever ever no way, Establishment Mommy can't tell me what to do, she's not my REAL mom.

Done.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
80. These accusations of discourtesy are the equivalent of saying to the abused wife
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 07:51 AM
Jan 2016

"why are you always so mean to the friends of the guy who keeps hitting you? That's not very lady-like is it?"

You want us to act lady-like? Or you want us to like the lady?

---> Then treat us like a lady, and stop abusing us.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
82. Has anyone else noticed that Bernie supporters constantly talk about Bernie
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 08:02 AM
Jan 2016

and Hillary supporters constantly talk about Bernie and his supporters?

It's like their candidate is NotBernie and his vp NotBerniesSupporters.

Do they ever post about Hillary?


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
85. Her supporters don't seem to think so.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 08:28 AM
Jan 2016

What a shame they don't have a candidate they can be enthusiastic about, I guess the endless ops about Bernie's "cult" following are just jealousy.

Maybe it's also due to lack of good news and glowing reviews of her agenda?

If there were any positive articles about Hillary they would be posting those instead, wouldn't they?

Bernie bros post dozens of interesting ops daily about things like you know...issues.

betsuni

(25,136 posts)
86. HAHAHAHA
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 08:36 AM
Jan 2016

Bernie supporters constantly talk about Bernie?

From someone whose comments in this thread were:

"the despicable things said and done by Hillary supporters are legendary."
"the racist dog whistles in 2008 were much worse although you're right about the anti-Semitism. It's still early and I'm sure they're not done."

Do you ever talk about Bernie?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
87. When an op is started to whinge about one group it's only fair to provide a little perspective.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 08:40 AM
Jan 2016

Why shouldn't we point out the nasty bigoted things said about Bernie and his supporters here and elsewhere?

And if you do a search of my posts you'll see I do talk about Bernie.

Do you ever contribute anything positive, betsuni?

If so I haven't seen it.


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
90. Of what?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 08:42 AM
Jan 2016

I have a stellar candidate I've loved and supported for decades, hundreds of like minded Bernistas to share him with and two websites to enjoy.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
101. "Surely, Comrade, you do not want Jones back?"
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:47 PM
Jan 2016

Calm down, Francis.

I do not appreciate the group attacks.

Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Original post)

SleeplessinSoCal

(8,998 posts)
103. and whose fault will that be?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jan 2016

Obama v HRC didn't rip apart everything about her here.

It is more than anything destructive of a movement and the people you need in that movement. If you insist on trashing and destroying a place, why not pick a con board instead of DU?

SleeplessinSoCal

(8,998 posts)
109. now you guys attack Gaba AND Krugman?
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:05 PM
Jan 2016
Meanwhile, the Sanders skepticism of the wonks continues: Paul Starr lays out the case. As far as I can tell, every serious progressive policy expert on either health care or financial reform who has weighed in on the primary seems to lean Hillary. This could be because being in the trenches of the health care fight gives you an acute sense of the possible, and because having paid close attention to the financial crisis makes you a shadow-banking, not too big to fail guy. Or it could be because they are, one and all, corrupt corporate lackeys. I report, you decide.

Just to be clear, Sanders himself is not at fault here. And if Hillary is the nominee, I expect him to do what she herself did in 2008, and will surely do if he wins an upset: make it clear that whatever their differences, and whatever the primary loser’s personal frustration, there’s no comparison with the reactionary extremism of all the GOP candidates.

But it’s disappointing to see so much intolerance over what are basically differences in strategy, not goals.


http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/krugman/2016/01/27/health-wonks-and-bernie-bros/?smid=tw-nytimeskrugman&smtyp=cur&referer=https://t.co/I6e33Cszop

SleeplessinSoCal

(8,998 posts)
110. What will it take to admit how much many of you are hurting Bernie?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:53 AM
Jan 2016

The BBC!

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-35422316

This would be my experience to a T:

"They harass and try to take away the credibility from the people who question Mr Sanders."

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
111. I've been blocked my both groups, too. I don't give a fuck, though. More and more I'm leaning
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:57 AM
Jan 2016

towards not voting for either one. I was never going to support Hillary. But Bernie Sanders has turned me all the way off.

SleeplessinSoCal

(8,998 posts)
112. if Bernie turned you off, are you not going to vote?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:23 AM
Jan 2016

There is still time to reassess. The more obnoxious and cruel Sanders supporters can try to be more civil and represent Democratic Socialism in a more positive light.

I just fear every single GOP candidate so much that I want the Dems to get their/our acts together.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
113. I plan to vote for the down ticket candidates and skip the "presidential nominee" category.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:38 AM
Jan 2016

None of the candidates turn me on. I'm not 'feeling the Bern,' and I can't stand the Clintons. O'Malley has zero chance, and he's flawed, too.

Maryland's primary is on Super Tuesday. Maybe Bernie had persuade me by then, but I don't think so. His unwillingness to understand how race and social justice TRUMPS class continues to baffle me...and turn me off.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
120. You sound just like bravenak or as she's known around here -- The NEGRESS WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED!!!!
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 07:24 PM
Jan 2016


More and more I'm leaning towards not voting for either one. I was never going to support Hillary. But Bernie Sanders has turned me all the way off.

That's exactly where she wound up being too. And neither one of you are even CLOSE to being alone in that regard.

SleeplessinSoCal

(8,998 posts)
118. it's like PR. a voter's behavior reflects on Sanders.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 05:49 PM
Jan 2016

If you are intent on undermining his campaign, then carry on.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
124. Isn't that a two-way street?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 07:47 PM
Jan 2016

I believe some should be peering in the mirror, checking the specks in their own eyes.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
134. Because
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 09:56 AM
Jan 2016

if one article writer says it's Bernie's problem, then that's the word of DOG and it must be a one-way street after all; it couldn't be that the article writer is traveling the other side of that street.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
122. When you believe your cause is more just
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 07:34 PM
Jan 2016

When you believe your cause is more just than your opponent and that they are bad just for opposing you there is not much you will not do in pursuit in of your cause. That is the genesis of a lot of human misery.

SleeplessinSoCal

(8,998 posts)
136. Just scan the trending topics
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 03:02 PM
Jan 2016

It's similar to Trump's admission to saying bad things to get attention. DU, by majority, is Sanders territory. It's like a tidal wave of fury against Hillary - Who Bernie loves and respects.

This observation goes way beyond a BBC article. I'm of a different generation. I get why people are mad at HRC.I just don't see why emulating Trump helps Bernie.

 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
127. if by traditional you mean establishment, ...I have no use for them.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 09:28 PM
Jan 2016

they are the problem not the solution. fuck them.....

honeylady

(157 posts)
129. I am a enthusiastic Bernie supporter but I don't
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 10:52 PM
Jan 2016

approve of these actions at all. If this is true, then I would hope Bernie would address this at his next rally. I have so many friends who are Bernie supporters and none of us would ever be malicious towards a Hilary supporter.

This whole vibe here on DU between Bernie supporters and Hilary supporters is very disturbing. I'm to the point that I don't come on DU much anymore.

Shame on everyone participating in this sort of crap!!!


Stargleamer

(1,979 posts)
130. Well Krugman denigrates Bernie's plans even though they're obviously just preliminary. . .
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 10:55 PM
Jan 2016

while staying mum on Hillary's plans, if she has any at all. So yes, in my opinion he is being quite unfair to Bernie.

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