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Gotta love all these Nu Dems losing their shit over the word 'taxes' (Original Post) whatchamacallit Jan 2016 OP
Crazy, isn't it? Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #1
To quote merrily in a distant thread, bvf Jan 2016 #10
I know, right? When the word taxes becomes a bad word in the Democratic Party you know liberal_at_heart Jan 2016 #2
We can thank the DLC/3rd Way/Koch Bros for that. lob1 Jan 2016 #28
It's surreal isn't it? Populist_Prole Jan 2016 #30
The tax bogeyman. We have to stop with the Republican framing on everything. Broward Jan 2016 #3
"Free stuff" !!! Autumn Jan 2016 #4
Our transformation is almost complete. draa Jan 2016 #5
Gah! I'll bet those tusks were *not* easy to move... n/t bvf Jan 2016 #11
We know which end is the ass. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #15
I'm glad someone noticed. draa Jan 2016 #16
I'm old enough to remember when democrats didn't spew republican shit. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #17
Me too. draa Jan 2016 #18
Agreed. alcibiades_mystery Jan 2016 #6
Yes! artislife Jan 2016 #19
It is incredibly sad. Hard to believe this is America. senz Jan 2016 #36
Very moving video... artislife Jan 2016 #37
BIG GOVERNMENT!??!! Matariki Jan 2016 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2016 #8
They are trashing Mondale, too. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #9
Reaganomics AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #12
Yup whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #39
Here's how we've been hypnotized on taxes... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #13
Political parties can be bought out. delrem Jan 2016 #14
It's the Neoliberals circling the wagons around their chosen candidate. draa Jan 2016 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2016 #21
Lol, yes it is. draa Jan 2016 #22
Reminds me of the left wing of the old GOP. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #23
just FYI hfojvt Jan 2016 #24
Nah RobertEarl Jan 2016 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2016 #26
you say you want a revolution? hfojvt Jan 2016 #29
"No we can't" ? RobertEarl Jan 2016 #31
Right there with ya. Zorra Jan 2016 #42
Yeah, lets crush them and get reparations!!! Wait... wait... were yaw goin!??! lol... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #33
So, you're not with us? RobertEarl Jan 2016 #34
For reparations it is!! Lets go !! Viva La revolution !!! uponit7771 Jan 2016 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #38
Democrats have become the conservative party while Republicans have become the Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #27
Bingo Populist_Prole Jan 2016 #32
I was always impressed with President Mondale... brooklynite Jan 2016 #40
You must have spit out your caviar when you heard Bernie say that whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #41
I get it! Because I'm rich, so I'm greedy! brooklynite Jan 2016 #43
I value the truth whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #44
Ah..."the voters are too STUPID to vote for my candidate" brooklynite Jan 2016 #46
Only the ones who can't, or won't, detect the heart of the matter whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #47
They remind me of Rush Limbaugh dittoheads! nt m-lekktor Jan 2016 #45

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
2. I know, right? When the word taxes becomes a bad word in the Democratic Party you know
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:42 AM
Jan 2016

it is not the same Democratic Party anymore. I mean is there really anything left of what used to be the Democratic platform?

lob1

(3,820 posts)
28. We can thank the DLC/3rd Way/Koch Bros for that.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:51 AM
Jan 2016

If they were honest, the important thing Bernie said is SAVINGS, not TAXES.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
30. It's surreal isn't it?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:55 AM
Jan 2016

I mean, we all know the whole status-quo third-way/DLC MO is to trend right, but at least talk a good game of being some faux bullshit populist during the campaign, then go full right after an office is won. Now they're going balls-out right during a campaign!

I wonder now if they realize they've already blown it and lost, and now just want to appear to at least go down swinging. Sort of their way of saying "Help us once more: we'll take care of you this time...really. No? You don't believe us? Well the hell with you...we'll bury you!".

Quite the ringing endorsement for their "base".

Broward

(1,976 posts)
3. The tax bogeyman. We have to stop with the Republican framing on everything.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:46 AM
Jan 2016

Just another reason to support Bernie.

draa

(975 posts)
18. Me too.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:50 AM
Jan 2016

It gets tiring having to defend being a Democrat around a bunch of people who don't seem to know the definition of the word. And it's no wonder people are leaving this party in droves. Why wouldn't they with this shit to put up with.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
6. Agreed.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:50 AM
Jan 2016

Taxes actually do need to be increased, and if we get single-payer out of that, so much the better. Infrastructure, too. This stuff needs to be paid for with tax increases. Enough nonsense.

People attacking Bernie for that need to check themselves.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
19. Yes!
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:55 AM
Jan 2016

Remember the bridge in Mpls....we have thousands countrywide that are in need of replacing but too many local governments not wanting to repair.

Response to whatchamacallit (Original post)

delrem

(9,688 posts)
14. Political parties can be bought out.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:10 AM
Jan 2016

I saw it recently in BC, Canada, when the provincial Liberal party got bought out lock stock and barrel. It almost made me applaud, even though I was explicitly among the targeted "to be screwed".
It can only happen if the bought out party is extremely weak.

Once bought out, I don't see any possible redemption. You can't buy it back.

What can you say when already back in Oct. 45 members of the Democratic progressive caucus rushed out the door to endorse Hillary Clinton, and only one had the guts to back Sanders? That's so weak that it's barely perceptible. Clearly rife with trojans and other weak characters.

Big money isn't chickenshit. When big money buys a politician and buys a few think tanks to provide the MSM 24/7/52 fodder, and buys the MSM which in turn buys a few fake "progressive" opinionators/bloviators to round out a pretense, they cover every bet, and they do it by both instinct and training. They don't spare a nickel in vetting and buying the best.

draa

(975 posts)
20. It's the Neoliberals circling the wagons around their chosen candidate.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:02 AM
Jan 2016

Those people aren't Liberals in any sense of the word. They support the same failed policies as the GOP. They don't even pretend anymore and for proof simply look at Clinton's stance on Medicare for All and college tuition. Those are party ideals and things Democrats would normally support. Especially the MfA. They've now abandoned those ideas in favor of doing nothing. Or worse yet, expanding on a failed system.

In 5 years since the ACA was signed into law they haven't even attempted to improve it. Not once. And the excuse we get is "because Republicans." Since when did Republicans stop Democrats from trying? Since the neoliberals arrived that's when. We get nothing now and they expect people to vote for her anyway. smh

Response to draa (Reply #20)

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
23. Reminds me of the left wing of the old GOP.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:21 AM
Jan 2016

You know, the wing that left the GOP to the crazies because they were trying to build a big tent against 'taxes'?

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
24. just FYI
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:32 AM
Jan 2016

at some point you may need to figure out how to win over people who disagree with you, rather than just wagging your finger at them.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
25. Nah
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:43 AM
Jan 2016

We tried that. It's time now, and what this revolution is all about, that the People rise up and overwhelmingly crush the bastards who are stealing our future just so they can have their yachts and vacation homes.

There will be no finger wagging; it will be a shovel burying them and taking back from them what they have stolen.

Response to RobertEarl (Reply #25)

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
29. you say you want a revolution?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:52 AM
Jan 2016

well then you can expect to be fighting me too.

I have ZERO use for brain dead revolutionaries, and elections will not be won with rhetoric like that.

We have elections to win. Right now everybody expects that Congress will still be Republican controlled next year. We only stop that if we win people to our side. Fail to do that and we are right back to 2000.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
31. "No we can't" ?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:03 AM
Jan 2016

Oh, hell yes we can. I'm not fighting you. But the idea that we are to tremble in fear of the republicans is just nuts. And we will take back our future from those who are stealing the pure air and water for their profits.

That's the revolution Bernie is leading. And when we have healthy, well fed, and well educated children again, the People will be happy and contented, again.

If you oppose that, well, then, maybe you and I are in for a fight?

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
42. Right there with ya.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:32 PM
Jan 2016

Oligarchists are responsible for most everything that is wrong in this world.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
33. Yeah, lets crush them and get reparations!!! Wait... wait... were yaw goin!??! lol...
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:10 AM
Jan 2016

... "revolution" with an asterisk

Response to uponit7771 (Reply #33)

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
27. Democrats have become the conservative party while Republicans have become the
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:48 AM
Jan 2016

Fascist Party.

The liberal and the moderate are now unwelcome in both parties. Time to #FeeltheBern!

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
32. Bingo
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:06 AM
Jan 2016

I won't use the true but trite-ish "overton's window" argument, but only because it's so true because it's no longer needed because it's already been proven. Done deal. The most "reasonable" republican candidates of the past few election cycles were squashed like bugs by the PTB, and the same crowd deems any democratic candidate not economically conservative as "unelectable".

The best part about Feeling the Bern is making the MSM, the pundit class and the establishment, irrelevant. They're puzzled and don't get it. That's fine. Far be it for us to point out to our enemies what mistakes they're making.

brooklynite

(94,384 posts)
43. I get it! Because I'm rich, so I'm greedy!
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:32 PM
Jan 2016

I'd be happy to have the Democrats raise my taxes. One of the nice things about Hillary Clinton was her votes against the Bush Tax Cuts (you knew that,right?). The big risk is that Sanders doesn't win because of how other voters react to taxes.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
44. I value the truth
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:38 PM
Jan 2016

If the brainwashed working class and monied elite don't, oh well... I'll still support the truthful candidate.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
47. Only the ones who can't, or won't, detect the heart of the matter
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:49 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie's proposal benefits a plurality, but demagoguery has a long history. Just look at the democrats on DU trying to instill fear and loathing with the word 'taxes'.

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