2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumGotta love all these Nu Dems losing their shit over the word 'taxes'
TAAAAXESSSS!!1! TAX AND SPEND LIBERAL!!1!
Reminds me of something...
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)I'll retire to Bedlam.
(Yes, I know...)
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)it is not the same Democratic Party anymore. I mean is there really anything left of what used to be the Democratic platform?
lob1
(3,820 posts)If they were honest, the important thing Bernie said is SAVINGS, not TAXES.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)I mean, we all know the whole status-quo third-way/DLC MO is to trend right, but at least talk a good game of being some faux bullshit populist during the campaign, then go full right after an office is won. Now they're going balls-out right during a campaign!
I wonder now if they realize they've already blown it and lost, and now just want to appear to at least go down swinging. Sort of their way of saying "Help us once more: we'll take care of you this time...really. No? You don't believe us? Well the hell with you...we'll bury you!".
Quite the ringing endorsement for their "base".
Broward
(1,976 posts)Just another reason to support Bernie.
Autumn
(44,986 posts)draa
(975 posts)We're almost there...
bvf
(6,604 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)draa
(975 posts)Took long enough.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)draa
(975 posts)It gets tiring having to defend being a Democrat around a bunch of people who don't seem to know the definition of the word. And it's no wonder people are leaving this party in droves. Why wouldn't they with this shit to put up with.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Taxes actually do need to be increased, and if we get single-payer out of that, so much the better. Infrastructure, too. This stuff needs to be paid for with tax increases. Enough nonsense.
People attacking Bernie for that need to check themselves.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Remember the bridge in Mpls....we have thousands countrywide that are in need of replacing but too many local governments not wanting to repair.
senz
(11,945 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)thanks for posting.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)YES OR NO????!!!!
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Odin2005
(53,521 posts)As a Minnesotan I'm rather offended by that.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)101
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)I saw it recently in BC, Canada, when the provincial Liberal party got bought out lock stock and barrel. It almost made me applaud, even though I was explicitly among the targeted "to be screwed".
It can only happen if the bought out party is extremely weak.
Once bought out, I don't see any possible redemption. You can't buy it back.
What can you say when already back in Oct. 45 members of the Democratic progressive caucus rushed out the door to endorse Hillary Clinton, and only one had the guts to back Sanders? That's so weak that it's barely perceptible. Clearly rife with trojans and other weak characters.
Big money isn't chickenshit. When big money buys a politician and buys a few think tanks to provide the MSM 24/7/52 fodder, and buys the MSM which in turn buys a few fake "progressive" opinionators/bloviators to round out a pretense, they cover every bet, and they do it by both instinct and training. They don't spare a nickel in vetting and buying the best.
draa
(975 posts)Those people aren't Liberals in any sense of the word. They support the same failed policies as the GOP. They don't even pretend anymore and for proof simply look at Clinton's stance on Medicare for All and college tuition. Those are party ideals and things Democrats would normally support. Especially the MfA. They've now abandoned those ideas in favor of doing nothing. Or worse yet, expanding on a failed system.
In 5 years since the ACA was signed into law they haven't even attempted to improve it. Not once. And the excuse we get is "because Republicans." Since when did Republicans stop Democrats from trying? Since the neoliberals arrived that's when. We get nothing now and they expect people to vote for her anyway. smh
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draa
(975 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)You know, the wing that left the GOP to the crazies because they were trying to build a big tent against 'taxes'?
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)at some point you may need to figure out how to win over people who disagree with you, rather than just wagging your finger at them.
We tried that. It's time now, and what this revolution is all about, that the People rise up and overwhelmingly crush the bastards who are stealing our future just so they can have their yachts and vacation homes.
There will be no finger wagging; it will be a shovel burying them and taking back from them what they have stolen.
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hfojvt
(37,573 posts)well then you can expect to be fighting me too.
I have ZERO use for brain dead revolutionaries, and elections will not be won with rhetoric like that.
We have elections to win. Right now everybody expects that Congress will still be Republican controlled next year. We only stop that if we win people to our side. Fail to do that and we are right back to 2000.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Oh, hell yes we can. I'm not fighting you. But the idea that we are to tremble in fear of the republicans is just nuts. And we will take back our future from those who are stealing the pure air and water for their profits.
That's the revolution Bernie is leading. And when we have healthy, well fed, and well educated children again, the People will be happy and contented, again.
If you oppose that, well, then, maybe you and I are in for a fight?
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Oligarchists are responsible for most everything that is wrong in this world.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)... "revolution" with an asterisk
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)What are you scared of? You seem like your hair is on fire.....
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Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)Fascist Party.
The liberal and the moderate are now unwelcome in both parties. Time to #FeeltheBern!
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)I won't use the true but trite-ish "overton's window" argument, but only because it's so true because it's no longer needed because it's already been proven. Done deal. The most "reasonable" republican candidates of the past few election cycles were squashed like bugs by the PTB, and the same crowd deems any democratic candidate not economically conservative as "unelectable".
The best part about Feeling the Bern is making the MSM, the pundit class and the establishment, irrelevant. They're puzzled and don't get it. That's fine. Far be it for us to point out to our enemies what mistakes they're making.
brooklynite
(94,384 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)brooklynite
(94,384 posts)I'd be happy to have the Democrats raise my taxes. One of the nice things about Hillary Clinton was her votes against the Bush Tax Cuts (you knew that,right?). The big risk is that Sanders doesn't win because of how other voters react to taxes.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)If the brainwashed working class and monied elite don't, oh well... I'll still support the truthful candidate.
brooklynite
(94,384 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Bernie's proposal benefits a plurality, but demagoguery has a long history. Just look at the democrats on DU trying to instill fear and loathing with the word 'taxes'.